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February 25, 2018, 09:11:25 AM
You can not be serious about that.................................. They didn't knew how to find the trace of amino acids?

So just redo the experiments FFS.............

The experiment has been re-done hundreds of times. They also re-analysed the original vials with modern equipment. The results were the same. More amino acids than are required for life as we know it.

You lack the ability to think don't you?

Says the guy who can't grasp why a Russian scientist, working with a Russian team, in a Russian lab, in Russia, publishing in Russian journals, doesn't write in English.

Where's the facepalm emoji?

You will never convince these religious extremists of anything, they just wont accept the evidence, ever.
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February 25, 2018, 09:04:35 AM
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The experiment has been re-done hundreds of times. They also re-analysed the original vials with modern equipment. The results were the same. More amino acids than are required for life as we know it.

The article does not say they re-do the experiment.

You understand how shady that whole issue looks like? You wait until the guy dies, then you find his stuff (ofcourse everyone play fair like evolutionists always did) and you say - hey - his stuff proves our point..........

And nowhere in the article about it says that the experiments was redone... Only you say. Based on your word that experiment was redone....

It all looks criminal to me - you know?

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Says the guy who can't grasp why a Russian scientist, working with a Russian team, in a Russian lab, in Russia, publishing in Russian journals, doesn't write in English.

Where's the facepalm emoji?

You know? You had some purpose to give this scientist and not the other. Why this one if he is not known? It makes no sense. Or maybe you wanted it to not make sense. That's why I asked - do you know what are we talking about? Or can't you not only read but think as well.
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February 25, 2018, 08:58:28 AM
You can not be serious about that.................................. They didn't knew how to find the trace of amino acids?

So just redo the experiments FFS.............

The experiment has been re-done hundreds of times. They also re-analysed the original vials with modern equipment. The results were the same. More amino acids than are required for life as we know it.

You lack the ability to think don't you?

Says the guy who can't grasp why a Russian scientist, working with a Russian team, in a Russian lab, in Russia, publishing in Russian journals, doesn't write in English.

Where's the facepalm emoji?
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February 25, 2018, 08:49:20 AM
No ofcourse not. I was just commenting that your own sources admitt that you the miller experiment had not produce the needed amino acids... Just read them. They claim that a lost grail... ahem vial has been magicly found.

No they didn't. They simply re-analysed the same vials with modern technology and equipment.

You can not be serious about that.................................. They didn't knew how to find the trace of amino acids?

So just redo the experiments FFS.............

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That's the issue. He's not a "hotshot". He is one of many, many scientists that have demonstrated evolution in the lab. It is not a big deal whatsoever in the scientific community, because evolution has been proven to be a fact by mountains and mountains of evidence. His work is a drop in the ocean in terms of the evidence for evolution.

You lack the ability to think don't you?
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February 25, 2018, 08:47:21 AM
No ofcourse not. I was just commenting that your own sources admitt that you the miller experiment had not produce the needed amino acids... Just read them. They claim that a lost grail... ahem vial has been magicly found.

No they didn't. They simply re-analysed the same vials with modern technology and equipment.



Shaposhnikov I just have never heard in my life before, but the Miller experiment is fairly known to me. Thats all. And I do not talk about something I don't know.

I was just amazed it such a hotshot that noone is talking about in the debate between evolution and creation. That seemed odd to me.

That's the issue. He's not a "hotshot". He is one of many, many scientists that have demonstrated evolution in the lab. It is not a big deal whatsoever in the scientific community, because evolution has been proven to be a fact by mountains and mountains of evidence. His work is a drop in the ocean in terms of the evidence for evolution.
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February 25, 2018, 08:30:23 AM
Wikipedia:

https://prnt.sc/ijhm5s

I have made a printsceen out of it.

What are yours sources? I will look them up.

If that extremely famous guy would have any work in english I would have read those... Sadly he is not so significant I guess.

I found about the "spark"

https://web.archive.org/web/20081017231050/http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/old_scientists_never_clean_out.php

They found after so many years a vials and I am suppose to believe that is a science and not vials was placed there to fit the missing amino acids..............

Are you taking people for idiots?

You are such a frauds all of you.................

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Evolution of some aphid groups in relation to evolution of Rosadeae. Moscow/Leningrad: Akademia Nauk SSSR, 1951.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Phylogenetic background of the system of the short tailed aphids (Anuraphidina) with reference to their host plants relationships. Moscow/Leningrad: Akademia Nauk SSSR, 1956.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. The aphides (Aphidinea) infesting cherry plum and cherry. Entomologicheskoe Obozrenie 43, 1964.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Interrelations of living systems and natural selection. Zhurnal Obshchei Biologii 35, 1974.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Dynamics of clones, populations and species, and evolution. Zhurnal Obshchei Biologii 39, 1978.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Evolution of morphological structures in aphids (Homoptera, Aphidinea) and habits of the recent and Mesozoic representatives of the group. Entomologicheskoe Obozrenie 59, 1980.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. The main features of the evolution of aphids. In: Evolution and Biosystematics of Aphids. Ossolineum, Wrocław, 1985.


So, let me get this straight. Your arguments against evolution are "A Russian scientist published papers in Russian and not in English", and "I'm going to ignore the results of a widely repeated and confirmed experiment because they don't fit with my narrative".

You have lost the argument. Just stop.

No ofcourse not. I was just commenting that your own sources admitt that you the miller experiment had not produce the needed amino acids... Just read them. They claim that a lost grail... ahem vial has been magicly found.

Shaposhnikov I just have never heard in my life before, but the Miller experiment is fairly known to me. Thats all. And I do not talk about something I don't know.

I was just amazed it such a hotshot that noone is talking about in the debate between evolution and creation. That seemed odd to me.

When I asked about the sources I asked about the Miller experiment sources that claims about the finding missing amino acid. I have already founded them when they had found their long lost grail... vial.
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February 25, 2018, 08:26:08 AM
Wikipedia:

https://prnt.sc/ijhm5s

I have made a printsceen out of it.

What are yours sources? I will look them up.

If that extremely famous guy would have any work in english I would have read those... Sadly he is not so significant I guess.

I found about the "spark"

https://web.archive.org/web/20081017231050/http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/old_scientists_never_clean_out.php

They found after so many years a vials and I am suppose to believe that is a science and not vials was placed there to fit the missing amino acids..............

Are you taking people for idiots?

You are such a frauds all of you.................

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Evolution of some aphid groups in relation to evolution of Rosadeae. Moscow/Leningrad: Akademia Nauk SSSR, 1951.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Phylogenetic background of the system of the short tailed aphids (Anuraphidina) with reference to their host plants relationships. Moscow/Leningrad: Akademia Nauk SSSR, 1956.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. The aphides (Aphidinea) infesting cherry plum and cherry. Entomologicheskoe Obozrenie 43, 1964.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Interrelations of living systems and natural selection. Zhurnal Obshchei Biologii 35, 1974.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Dynamics of clones, populations and species, and evolution. Zhurnal Obshchei Biologii 39, 1978.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. Evolution of morphological structures in aphids (Homoptera, Aphidinea) and habits of the recent and Mesozoic representatives of the group. Entomologicheskoe Obozrenie 59, 1980.

Shaposhnikov G.Ch. The main features of the evolution of aphids. In: Evolution and Biosystematics of Aphids. Ossolineum, Wrocław, 1985.


So, let me get this straight. Your arguments against evolution are "A Russian scientist published papers in Russian and not in English", and "I'm going to ignore the results of a widely repeated and confirmed experiment because they don't fit with my narrative".

You have lost the argument. Just stop.
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February 25, 2018, 08:07:31 AM
WRONG! Thats simply wrong. Yeah he created some aminoacids but not even half of them to make a simplest of all organism...

It actually created 25 different amino acids. All life as we know it uses only 20 amino acids.

Might want to learn the facts before screaming "WRONG".

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In time, trace amounts of several of the simplest biologically useful amino acids were formed—mostly glycine and alanine.30 The yield of glycine was a mere 1.05%, of alanine only 0.75% and the next most common amino acid produced amounted to only 0.026% of the total—so small as to be largely insignificant. In Miller’s words, ‘The total yield was small for the energy expended.’31 The side group for glycine is a lone hydrogen and for alanine, a simple methyl (-CH3) group. After hundreds of replications and modifications using techniques similar to those employed in the original Miller-Urey experiments, scientists were able to produce only small amounts of less than half of the 20 amino acids required for life. The rest require much more complex synthesis conditions.

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/origin-of-life/why-the-miller-urey-research-argues-against-abiogenesis/



Hahahaha, oh wow. Quoting Answer in Genesis. Argument over. You have lost.

I have no idea who was Goerge Shaposhnikov - neither do google. That is weak if he had proven the evolution right. He should be very famous. All I can find is some scammy article on wikipedia, but it is like the man had not existed outside of that article.

Shaposhnikov published over 50 papers. Your inability to find and read academic papers is not an argument against evolution.

Wikipedia:

https://prnt.sc/ijhm5s

I have made a printsceen out of it.

What are yours sources? I will look them up.

If that extremely famous guy would have any work in english I would have read those... Sadly he is not so significant I guess.

I found about the "volcanic spark"

https://web.archive.org/web/20081017231050/http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/old_scientists_never_clean_out.php

They found after so many years a vials and I am suppose to believe that is a science and not vials was placed there to fit the missing amino acids..............

Are you taking people for idiots?

You are such a frauds all of you.................

Why not repeat the experiments and then search your refrigerators?...... How... What.... What is going on with this world?
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February 25, 2018, 07:55:16 AM
WRONG! Thats simply wrong. Yeah he created some aminoacids but not even half of them to make a simplest of all organism...

It actually created 25 different amino acids. All life as we know it uses only 20 amino acids.

Might want to learn the facts before screaming "WRONG".

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In time, trace amounts of several of the simplest biologically useful amino acids were formed—mostly glycine and alanine.30 The yield of glycine was a mere 1.05%, of alanine only 0.75% and the next most common amino acid produced amounted to only 0.026% of the total—so small as to be largely insignificant. In Miller’s words, ‘The total yield was small for the energy expended.’31 The side group for glycine is a lone hydrogen and for alanine, a simple methyl (-CH3) group. After hundreds of replications and modifications using techniques similar to those employed in the original Miller-Urey experiments, scientists were able to produce only small amounts of less than half of the 20 amino acids required for life. The rest require much more complex synthesis conditions.

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/origin-of-life/why-the-miller-urey-research-argues-against-abiogenesis/

Hahahaha, oh wow. Quoting Answer in Genesis. Argument over. You have lost.

I have no idea who was Goerge Shaposhnikov - neither do google. That is weak if he had proven the evolution right. He should be very famous. All I can find is some scammy article on wikipedia, but it is like the man had not existed outside of that article.

Shaposhnikov published over 50 papers. Your inability to find and read academic papers is not an argument against evolution.
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February 25, 2018, 07:54:29 AM
WRONG! Thats simply wrong. Yeah he created some aminoacids but not even half of them to make a simplest of all organism...

It actually created 25 different amino acids. All life as we know it uses only 20 amino acids.

Might want to learn the facts before screaming "WRONG".

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In time, trace amounts of several of the simplest biologically useful amino acids were formed—mostly glycine and alanine.30 The yield of glycine was a mere 1.05%, of alanine only 0.75% and the next most common amino acid produced amounted to only 0.026% of the total—so small as to be largely insignificant. In Miller’s words, ‘The total yield was small for the energy expended.’31 The side group for glycine is a lone hydrogen and for alanine, a simple methyl (-CH3) group. After hundreds of replications and modifications using techniques similar to those employed in the original Miller-Urey experiments, scientists were able to produce only small amounts of less than half of the 20 amino acids required for life. The rest require much more complex synthesis conditions.

Source: https://answersingenesis.org/origin-of-life/why-the-miller-urey-research-argues-against-abiogenesis/

On wikipedia they claim that some volcanic spark discharge and some other sparks have created the rest amino acids needed. I have no idea about those. And I will read about it.
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February 25, 2018, 07:42:13 AM
WRONG! Thats simply wrong. Yeah he created some aminoacids but not even half of them to make a simplest of all organism...

It actually created 25 different amino acids. All life as we know it uses only 20 amino acids.

Might want to learn the facts before screaming "WRONG".
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February 25, 2018, 07:14:39 AM
In this particular segment of posts, we are talking about the fact that science has found that life can't exist. Since evolution has to do with life, evolution can't exist, simply because life can't exist.

Evolution, on the other hand, is a bunch of stories. If there happens to be some solid fact for evolution, we don't know it. All we really have in evolution theory is stories. We have not been able to create it in the lab.

The Miller-Urey experiment, which showed the chemical origin of life occuring spontaneously in the conditions of an early Earth, was conducted in 1952.



So you are only about 70 years out-of-date with your baseless, factless ramblings.

WRONG! Thats simply wrong. Yeah he created some aminoacids but not even half of them to make a simplest of all organism...

That proves exactly the opposite what you claim.

Im amazed people are making those hoaxes viral while they are half-truths at best....

ITS SO SAD...........

be honest for once and check your sources.... It should be criminal to make sucha disinformation on the public....

I have no idea who was Goerge Shaposhnikov - neither do google. That is weak if he had proven the evolution right. He should be very famous. All I can find is some scammy article on wikipedia, but it is like the man had not existed outside of that article.

All I could find is this: No mention from what book, where and what. https://web.archive.org/web/20130908054552/http://rogov.zwz.ru/Macroevolution/epi17.pdf

I can not decipher the cyrlics sadly. Can you?
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February 25, 2018, 05:56:54 AM
In this particular segment of posts, we are talking about the fact that science has found that life can't exist. Since evolution has to do with life, evolution can't exist, simply because life can't exist.

Evolution, on the other hand, is a bunch of stories. If there happens to be some solid fact for evolution, we don't know it. All we really have in evolution theory is stories. We have not been able to create it in the lab.

The Miller-Urey experiment, which showed the chemical origin of life occuring spontaneously in the conditions of an early Earth, was conducted in 1952.

Georgy Shaposhnikov evolved a new and reproductively isolated species of aphid by altering their food source in the 1950s.

So you are only about 70 years out-of-date with your baseless, factless ramblings.
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February 25, 2018, 05:12:54 AM
Yes, if you are ignorant about the facts, your father too can be a hoax.
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February 25, 2018, 05:10:28 AM
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If you or anyone else has a better scientific theory then go ahead and propose one, however evolution itself is still a fact even if the theory of evolution is changed.

There are many clues about the connection between the living organisms and batteries - and electricity. One day if we would know more about electricity we would know better about the creation of life.

Bones are acting like magnets, cells are like a tiny electricity factories, especially membranes, and the shape of all living creatures ressembles the Tesla observance of how the water flows, and how that matter how all energy flows, as all energy is transferable to electricity, and is a form of electricity.

Right now - the pure chemical answer is not giving any answers. It have to be therefor a physical, or more precise an electrical phenomen.

The question is - who makes the energy flow and give it a precise shapes? Who had made the law of Birkelands current? We just observed that and every energy flow makes the same pattern. Why? Why that law exist? It is not silly at all to assume a law giver.

That kind of shapes are repeatable to the high degree - it is not random by all means. If that would be random it would overflow. It does not overflow therefore there is a flow. Why? :

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o3dLq8YGkWI/hqdefault.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/aa/2e/ab/aa2eabfc9455479bf219b97a9e3e5198--fractal-dendritic-agate.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C1PG6K/dendritic-drainage-pattern-aerial-view-erosion-gullies-in-the-mancos-C1PG6K.jpg

That is how nonliving materia behaves. For evolutionists to explain why that is - he would have to assume that evolution applies to a non-living materia as well - what is an absurd in itself.

By the way - if dead things have created life, one would have to assume how dead things behave, and evolutionists are not even interested in that, therefore they do not explain anything.

You can post as much as you like but where is your scientific theory?

You, Astargath, keep on ignoring or forgetting that, even if evolution were somehow possible according to evolution theory, it is still impossible with regard to the requirements for life on any planet. What do I mean? This:
...

Here’s the story: The same year Time featured the now-famous headline, the astronomer Carl Sagan announced that there were two important criteria for a planet to support life: The right kind of star, and a planet the right distance from that star. Given the roughly octillion—1 followed by 27 zeros—planets in the universe, there should have been about septillion—1 followed by 24 zeros—planets capable of supporting life.

...

Even SETI proponents acknowledged the problem. Peter Schenkelwrote in a 2006 piece for Skeptical Inquirer magazine: “In light of new findings and insights, it seems appropriate to put excessive euphoria to rest . . . . We should quietly admit that the early estimates . . . may no longer be tenable.”

As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn’t be here.

Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life—every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart. [For example. Ed.] Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby, whose gravity will draw away asteroids, a thousand times as many would hit Earth’s surface. The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing.

Yet here we are, not only existing, but talking about existing. What can account for it? Can every one of those many parameters have been perfect by accident? At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces? Doesn’t assuming that an intelligence created these perfect conditions require far less faith than believing that a life-sustaining Earth just happened to beat the inconceivable odds to come into being?

...

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Such a claim is fraught with statistical perils, however. The first is a familiar mistake of elaborating all the factors responsible for some specific event and calculating all the probabilities as if they were independent. In order for me to be writing this piece at this precise instant on this airplane, having done all the things I’ve done today, consider all the factors that had to be “just right”: I had to find myself in San Francisco, among all the cities in the world; the sequence of stoplights that my taxi had to traverse had to be just right, in order to get me to the airport when I did; the airport security screener had to experience a similar set of coincidences in order to be there when I needed her; same goes for the pilot. It would be easy for me to derive a set of probabilities that, when multiplied together, would produce a number so small that it would be statistically impossible for me to be here now writing.
This approach, of course, involves many fallacies. It is clear that many routes could have led to the same result. Similarly, when we consider the evolution of life on Earth, we have to ask what factors could have been different and still allowed for intelligent life. Consider a wild example, involving the asteroid that hit Earth sixty-five million years ago, wiping out the dinosaurs and a host of other species, and probably allowing an evolutionary niche for mammals to begin to flourish. This was a bad thing for life in general, but a good thing for us. Had that not happened, however, maybe giant intelligent reptiles would be arguing about the existence of God today.
An even more severe problem in Metaxas’s argument is the assumption of randomness, namely that physical processes do not naturally drive a system toward a certain state. This is the most common error among those who argue that, given the complexity of life on Earth, evolution is as implausible as a tornado ravaging a junkyard and producing a 747. The latter event is, indeed, essentially statistically impossible. However, we now understand that the process of natural selection implies that evolution is anything but random. Is it a miracle that the planet produced animals as complex as, and yet as different from, humans, dolphins, and cicadas, each so well “designed” for its own habitat? No. Natural selection drives systems in a specific direction, and the remarkable diversity of species on Earth today, each evolved for evolutionary success in a different environment, is one result.

You realize what you just posted^^^, don't you?

There have been scientists, researchers, and doctors working for years to put together a living cell from scratch. Finally, after hundreds of thousands of man-hours, they have managed to manipulate some DNA so that they can make some new kind of life. But they still haven't been able to duplicate the complexity of life from scratch.

Dumb old nature has out-selected the smartest scientists, researchers, and doctors in making life in tremendous abundance. In fact, nature has done it just like God would... if God existed.

Thanks for admitting that God exists.

Evolution is a hoax.

Besides, Metaxas is simply putting a bunch of findings together. He isn't making a new theory. He is simply showing what a lot of other people have found out.

Cool

So what, there are many things scientists cannot create and 7000 years ago we barely invented the wheel, I don't see your point here. Life is a complex matter, it also has been evolving for millions and millions of years. In the future we might even be able to make a human from scratch, who knows but you have no argument here.

I on the other side, destroyed your bullshit ''200 component needed'' argument. Now go back to your cave and think.

Did you forget what we were talking about? Have you forgotten what this thread is about? We are not talking about what scientists can create and not create. We are talking about the evolution hoax.

In this particular segment of posts, we are talking about the fact that science has found that life can't exist. Since evolution has to do with life, evolution can't exist, simply because life can't exist.

Scientists, doctors, and researchers understand many things about how life works. When you go to a standard hospital, you see them using their understanding of life and how it works... although their understanding is far from perfect.

Evolution, on the other hand, is a bunch of stories. If there happens to be some solid fact for evolution, we don't know it. All we really have in evolution theory is stories. We have not been able to create it in the lab. The closest we have come is to create some stuff that points towards evolution more strongly than anything before. But this stuff also points toward adaptation. So we don't know that it is evolution.

So, to recap, we have much understood manipulation of life in the medical. We have only hazy arguments about evolution without any proof for it other than talk, talk, talk. And then some additional science is found out. What is this additional science? There is no way that life can exist, scientifically.

We were having enough trouble with evolution alone. But now we find that life can't exist... except for the fact that it does. Since life can't exist, all the silly, non-fact-backed evolution talk is totally meaningless. In fact, the medical operations of life examination might be meaningless, except that they seem to factually work to some extent.

I understand your consternation. I totally understand why you would rather distract from the points being talked about. Your religion of evolution is unraveling before your eyes. Your trolling is coming out into the open. Since life is not possible scientifically, evolution is one big scandal. See, again, http://ericmetaxas.com/media/articles/science-increasingly-makes-case-god/.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

Cool

And I have already debunked your argument, it's right here, in this quote. ''In this particular segment of posts, we are talking about the fact that science has found that life can't exist.'' This specifically is a lie, again it's right here you just have to look up. The 200 component stuff that you posted is not correct. I'm sorry.

Right at the moment I don't have anything better to do than to say that it's not a lie except in one way. That's old info. Its way beyond 200 at present.

https://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/teaching/astr380f09/slides13.pdf

Cool

''As far as we can tell, carbon chemistry and
liquid water are really good for life
• We are indeed in a good place for this, but
it is not clear how strong the requirements
are
• Moon, Mercury, moons of Mars not great
for life''

That's what your link says, I don't see anything about life not being possible in the universe.

'' That's old info. Its way beyond 200 at present.'' And as I mentioned already, they failed to take in count that each of those components have different percentages. Don't get too stuck on this, we don't know exactly how life originated but evolution is still a fact, even if your god existed, evolution would still be a fact. Actually most religious groups already accept evolution as a fact. Almost 100% of Jews, buddhists and hindus already accept evolution. Even 60% of catholics accept evolution and that was a poll made in 2007 and in the United States which is known for being extremely religious and usually against evolution. So why don't you take a step back and think about this badecker.
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February 24, 2018, 11:11:35 PM
I can't believe this is even a thread on this forum

I'm kind of shocked as well.
LOL
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February 24, 2018, 10:53:53 PM
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If you or anyone else has a better scientific theory then go ahead and propose one, however evolution itself is still a fact even if the theory of evolution is changed.

There are many clues about the connection between the living organisms and batteries - and electricity. One day if we would know more about electricity we would know better about the creation of life.

Bones are acting like magnets, cells are like a tiny electricity factories, especially membranes, and the shape of all living creatures ressembles the Tesla observance of how the water flows, and how that matter how all energy flows, as all energy is transferable to electricity, and is a form of electricity.

Right now - the pure chemical answer is not giving any answers. It have to be therefor a physical, or more precise an electrical phenomen.

The question is - who makes the energy flow and give it a precise shapes? Who had made the law of Birkelands current? We just observed that and every energy flow makes the same pattern. Why? Why that law exist? It is not silly at all to assume a law giver.

That kind of shapes are repeatable to the high degree - it is not random by all means. If that would be random it would overflow. It does not overflow therefore there is a flow. Why? :

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o3dLq8YGkWI/hqdefault.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/aa/2e/ab/aa2eabfc9455479bf219b97a9e3e5198--fractal-dendritic-agate.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C1PG6K/dendritic-drainage-pattern-aerial-view-erosion-gullies-in-the-mancos-C1PG6K.jpg

That is how nonliving materia behaves. For evolutionists to explain why that is - he would have to assume that evolution applies to a non-living materia as well - what is an absurd in itself.

By the way - if dead things have created life, one would have to assume how dead things behave, and evolutionists are not even interested in that, therefore they do not explain anything.

You can post as much as you like but where is your scientific theory?

You, Astargath, keep on ignoring or forgetting that, even if evolution were somehow possible according to evolution theory, it is still impossible with regard to the requirements for life on any planet. What do I mean? This:
...

Here’s the story: The same year Time featured the now-famous headline, the astronomer Carl Sagan announced that there were two important criteria for a planet to support life: The right kind of star, and a planet the right distance from that star. Given the roughly octillion—1 followed by 27 zeros—planets in the universe, there should have been about septillion—1 followed by 24 zeros—planets capable of supporting life.

...

Even SETI proponents acknowledged the problem. Peter Schenkelwrote in a 2006 piece for Skeptical Inquirer magazine: “In light of new findings and insights, it seems appropriate to put excessive euphoria to rest . . . . We should quietly admit that the early estimates . . . may no longer be tenable.”

As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn’t be here.

Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life—every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart. [For example. Ed.] Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby, whose gravity will draw away asteroids, a thousand times as many would hit Earth’s surface. The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing.

Yet here we are, not only existing, but talking about existing. What can account for it? Can every one of those many parameters have been perfect by accident? At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces? Doesn’t assuming that an intelligence created these perfect conditions require far less faith than believing that a life-sustaining Earth just happened to beat the inconceivable odds to come into being?

...

Cool

Such a claim is fraught with statistical perils, however. The first is a familiar mistake of elaborating all the factors responsible for some specific event and calculating all the probabilities as if they were independent. In order for me to be writing this piece at this precise instant on this airplane, having done all the things I’ve done today, consider all the factors that had to be “just right”: I had to find myself in San Francisco, among all the cities in the world; the sequence of stoplights that my taxi had to traverse had to be just right, in order to get me to the airport when I did; the airport security screener had to experience a similar set of coincidences in order to be there when I needed her; same goes for the pilot. It would be easy for me to derive a set of probabilities that, when multiplied together, would produce a number so small that it would be statistically impossible for me to be here now writing.
This approach, of course, involves many fallacies. It is clear that many routes could have led to the same result. Similarly, when we consider the evolution of life on Earth, we have to ask what factors could have been different and still allowed for intelligent life. Consider a wild example, involving the asteroid that hit Earth sixty-five million years ago, wiping out the dinosaurs and a host of other species, and probably allowing an evolutionary niche for mammals to begin to flourish. This was a bad thing for life in general, but a good thing for us. Had that not happened, however, maybe giant intelligent reptiles would be arguing about the existence of God today.
An even more severe problem in Metaxas’s argument is the assumption of randomness, namely that physical processes do not naturally drive a system toward a certain state. This is the most common error among those who argue that, given the complexity of life on Earth, evolution is as implausible as a tornado ravaging a junkyard and producing a 747. The latter event is, indeed, essentially statistically impossible. However, we now understand that the process of natural selection implies that evolution is anything but random. Is it a miracle that the planet produced animals as complex as, and yet as different from, humans, dolphins, and cicadas, each so well “designed” for its own habitat? No. Natural selection drives systems in a specific direction, and the remarkable diversity of species on Earth today, each evolved for evolutionary success in a different environment, is one result.

You realize what you just posted^^^, don't you?

There have been scientists, researchers, and doctors working for years to put together a living cell from scratch. Finally, after hundreds of thousands of man-hours, they have managed to manipulate some DNA so that they can make some new kind of life. But they still haven't been able to duplicate the complexity of life from scratch.

Dumb old nature has out-selected the smartest scientists, researchers, and doctors in making life in tremendous abundance. In fact, nature has done it just like God would... if God existed.

Thanks for admitting that God exists.

Evolution is a hoax.

Besides, Metaxas is simply putting a bunch of findings together. He isn't making a new theory. He is simply showing what a lot of other people have found out.

Cool

So what, there are many things scientists cannot create and 7000 years ago we barely invented the wheel, I don't see your point here. Life is a complex matter, it also has been evolving for millions and millions of years. In the future we might even be able to make a human from scratch, who knows but you have no argument here.

I on the other side, destroyed your bullshit ''200 component needed'' argument. Now go back to your cave and think.

Did you forget what we were talking about? Have you forgotten what this thread is about? We are not talking about what scientists can create and not create. We are talking about the evolution hoax.

In this particular segment of posts, we are talking about the fact that science has found that life can't exist. Since evolution has to do with life, evolution can't exist, simply because life can't exist.

Scientists, doctors, and researchers understand many things about how life works. When you go to a standard hospital, you see them using their understanding of life and how it works... although their understanding is far from perfect.

Evolution, on the other hand, is a bunch of stories. If there happens to be some solid fact for evolution, we don't know it. All we really have in evolution theory is stories. We have not been able to create it in the lab. The closest we have come is to create some stuff that points towards evolution more strongly than anything before. But this stuff also points toward adaptation. So we don't know that it is evolution.

So, to recap, we have much understood manipulation of life in the medical. We have only hazy arguments about evolution without any proof for it other than talk, talk, talk. And then some additional science is found out. What is this additional science? There is no way that life can exist, scientifically.

We were having enough trouble with evolution alone. But now we find that life can't exist... except for the fact that it does. Since life can't exist, all the silly, non-fact-backed evolution talk is totally meaningless. In fact, the medical operations of life examination might be meaningless, except that they seem to factually work to some extent.

I understand your consternation. I totally understand why you would rather distract from the points being talked about. Your religion of evolution is unraveling before your eyes. Your trolling is coming out into the open. Since life is not possible scientifically, evolution is one big scandal. See, again, http://ericmetaxas.com/media/articles/science-increasingly-makes-case-god/.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

Cool

And I have already debunked your argument, it's right here, in this quote. ''In this particular segment of posts, we are talking about the fact that science has found that life can't exist.'' This specifically is a lie, again it's right here you just have to look up. The 200 component stuff that you posted is not correct. I'm sorry.

Right at the moment I don't have anything better to do than to say that it's not a lie except in one way. That's old info. Its way beyond 200 at present.

https://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/teaching/astr380f09/slides13.pdf

Cool
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If you or anyone else has a better scientific theory then go ahead and propose one, however evolution itself is still a fact even if the theory of evolution is changed.

There are many clues about the connection between the living organisms and batteries - and electricity. One day if we would know more about electricity we would know better about the creation of life.

Bones are acting like magnets, cells are like a tiny electricity factories, especially membranes, and the shape of all living creatures ressembles the Tesla observance of how the water flows, and how that matter how all energy flows, as all energy is transferable to electricity, and is a form of electricity.

Right now - the pure chemical answer is not giving any answers. It have to be therefor a physical, or more precise an electrical phenomen.

The question is - who makes the energy flow and give it a precise shapes? Who had made the law of Birkelands current? We just observed that and every energy flow makes the same pattern. Why? Why that law exist? It is not silly at all to assume a law giver.

That kind of shapes are repeatable to the high degree - it is not random by all means. If that would be random it would overflow. It does not overflow therefore there is a flow. Why? :

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o3dLq8YGkWI/hqdefault.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/aa/2e/ab/aa2eabfc9455479bf219b97a9e3e5198--fractal-dendritic-agate.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C1PG6K/dendritic-drainage-pattern-aerial-view-erosion-gullies-in-the-mancos-C1PG6K.jpg

That is how nonliving materia behaves. For evolutionists to explain why that is - he would have to assume that evolution applies to a non-living materia as well - what is an absurd in itself.

By the way - if dead things have created life, one would have to assume how dead things behave, and evolutionists are not even interested in that, therefore they do not explain anything.

You can post as much as you like but where is your scientific theory?

You, Astargath, keep on ignoring or forgetting that, even if evolution were somehow possible according to evolution theory, it is still impossible with regard to the requirements for life on any planet. What do I mean? This:
...

Here’s the story: The same year Time featured the now-famous headline, the astronomer Carl Sagan announced that there were two important criteria for a planet to support life: The right kind of star, and a planet the right distance from that star. Given the roughly octillion—1 followed by 27 zeros—planets in the universe, there should have been about septillion—1 followed by 24 zeros—planets capable of supporting life.

...

Even SETI proponents acknowledged the problem. Peter Schenkelwrote in a 2006 piece for Skeptical Inquirer magazine: “In light of new findings and insights, it seems appropriate to put excessive euphoria to rest . . . . We should quietly admit that the early estimates . . . may no longer be tenable.”

As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn’t be here.

Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life—every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart. [For example. Ed.] Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby, whose gravity will draw away asteroids, a thousand times as many would hit Earth’s surface. The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing.

Yet here we are, not only existing, but talking about existing. What can account for it? Can every one of those many parameters have been perfect by accident? At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces? Doesn’t assuming that an intelligence created these perfect conditions require far less faith than believing that a life-sustaining Earth just happened to beat the inconceivable odds to come into being?

...

Cool

Such a claim is fraught with statistical perils, however. The first is a familiar mistake of elaborating all the factors responsible for some specific event and calculating all the probabilities as if they were independent. In order for me to be writing this piece at this precise instant on this airplane, having done all the things I’ve done today, consider all the factors that had to be “just right”: I had to find myself in San Francisco, among all the cities in the world; the sequence of stoplights that my taxi had to traverse had to be just right, in order to get me to the airport when I did; the airport security screener had to experience a similar set of coincidences in order to be there when I needed her; same goes for the pilot. It would be easy for me to derive a set of probabilities that, when multiplied together, would produce a number so small that it would be statistically impossible for me to be here now writing.
This approach, of course, involves many fallacies. It is clear that many routes could have led to the same result. Similarly, when we consider the evolution of life on Earth, we have to ask what factors could have been different and still allowed for intelligent life. Consider a wild example, involving the asteroid that hit Earth sixty-five million years ago, wiping out the dinosaurs and a host of other species, and probably allowing an evolutionary niche for mammals to begin to flourish. This was a bad thing for life in general, but a good thing for us. Had that not happened, however, maybe giant intelligent reptiles would be arguing about the existence of God today.
An even more severe problem in Metaxas’s argument is the assumption of randomness, namely that physical processes do not naturally drive a system toward a certain state. This is the most common error among those who argue that, given the complexity of life on Earth, evolution is as implausible as a tornado ravaging a junkyard and producing a 747. The latter event is, indeed, essentially statistically impossible. However, we now understand that the process of natural selection implies that evolution is anything but random. Is it a miracle that the planet produced animals as complex as, and yet as different from, humans, dolphins, and cicadas, each so well “designed” for its own habitat? No. Natural selection drives systems in a specific direction, and the remarkable diversity of species on Earth today, each evolved for evolutionary success in a different environment, is one result.

You realize what you just posted^^^, don't you?

There have been scientists, researchers, and doctors working for years to put together a living cell from scratch. Finally, after hundreds of thousands of man-hours, they have managed to manipulate some DNA so that they can make some new kind of life. But they still haven't been able to duplicate the complexity of life from scratch.

Dumb old nature has out-selected the smartest scientists, researchers, and doctors in making life in tremendous abundance. In fact, nature has done it just like God would... if God existed.

Thanks for admitting that God exists.

Evolution is a hoax.

Besides, Metaxas is simply putting a bunch of findings together. He isn't making a new theory. He is simply showing what a lot of other people have found out.

Cool

So what, there are many things scientists cannot create and 7000 years ago we barely invented the wheel, I don't see your point here. Life is a complex matter, it also has been evolving for millions and millions of years. In the future we might even be able to make a human from scratch, who knows but you have no argument here.

I on the other side, destroyed your bullshit ''200 component needed'' argument. Now go back to your cave and think.

Did you forget what we were talking about? Have you forgotten what this thread is about? We are not talking about what scientists can create and not create. We are talking about the evolution hoax.

In this particular segment of posts, we are talking about the fact that science has found that life can't exist. Since evolution has to do with life, evolution can't exist, simply because life can't exist.

Scientists, doctors, and researchers understand many things about how life works. When you go to a standard hospital, you see them using their understanding of life and how it works... although their understanding is far from perfect.

Evolution, on the other hand, is a bunch of stories. If there happens to be some solid fact for evolution, we don't know it. All we really have in evolution theory is stories. We have not been able to create it in the lab. The closest we have come is to create some stuff that points towards evolution more strongly than anything before. But this stuff also points toward adaptation. So we don't know that it is evolution.

So, to recap, we have much understood manipulation of life in the medical. We have only hazy arguments about evolution without any proof for it other than talk, talk, talk. And then some additional science is found out. What is this additional science? There is no way that life can exist, scientifically.

We were having enough trouble with evolution alone. But now we find that life can't exist... except for the fact that it does. Since life can't exist, all the silly, non-fact-backed evolution talk is totally meaningless. In fact, the medical operations of life examination might be meaningless, except that they seem to factually work to some extent.

I understand your consternation. I totally understand why you would rather distract from the points being talked about. Your religion of evolution is unraveling before your eyes. Your trolling is coming out into the open. Since life is not possible scientifically, evolution is one big scandal. See, again, http://ericmetaxas.com/media/articles/science-increasingly-makes-case-god/.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

Cool

And I have already debunked your argument, it's right here, in this quote. ''In this particular segment of posts, we are talking about the fact that science has found that life can't exist.'' This specifically is a lie, again it's right here you just have to look up. The 200 component stuff that you posted is not correct. I'm sorry.
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February 24, 2018, 11:09:14 AM
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If you or anyone else has a better scientific theory then go ahead and propose one, however evolution itself is still a fact even if the theory of evolution is changed.

There are many clues about the connection between the living organisms and batteries - and electricity. One day if we would know more about electricity we would know better about the creation of life.

Bones are acting like magnets, cells are like a tiny electricity factories, especially membranes, and the shape of all living creatures ressembles the Tesla observance of how the water flows, and how that matter how all energy flows, as all energy is transferable to electricity, and is a form of electricity.

Right now - the pure chemical answer is not giving any answers. It have to be therefor a physical, or more precise an electrical phenomen.

The question is - who makes the energy flow and give it a precise shapes? Who had made the law of Birkelands current? We just observed that and every energy flow makes the same pattern. Why? Why that law exist? It is not silly at all to assume a law giver.

That kind of shapes are repeatable to the high degree - it is not random by all means. If that would be random it would overflow. It does not overflow therefore there is a flow. Why? :

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/o3dLq8YGkWI/hqdefault.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/aa/2e/ab/aa2eabfc9455479bf219b97a9e3e5198--fractal-dendritic-agate.jpg

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/C1PG6K/dendritic-drainage-pattern-aerial-view-erosion-gullies-in-the-mancos-C1PG6K.jpg

That is how nonliving materia behaves. For evolutionists to explain why that is - he would have to assume that evolution applies to a non-living materia as well - what is an absurd in itself.

By the way - if dead things have created life, one would have to assume how dead things behave, and evolutionists are not even interested in that, therefore they do not explain anything.

You can post as much as you like but where is your scientific theory?

You, Astargath, keep on ignoring or forgetting that, even if evolution were somehow possible according to evolution theory, it is still impossible with regard to the requirements for life on any planet. What do I mean? This:
...

Here’s the story: The same year Time featured the now-famous headline, the astronomer Carl Sagan announced that there were two important criteria for a planet to support life: The right kind of star, and a planet the right distance from that star. Given the roughly octillion—1 followed by 27 zeros—planets in the universe, there should have been about septillion—1 followed by 24 zeros—planets capable of supporting life.

...

Even SETI proponents acknowledged the problem. Peter Schenkelwrote in a 2006 piece for Skeptical Inquirer magazine: “In light of new findings and insights, it seems appropriate to put excessive euphoria to rest . . . . We should quietly admit that the early estimates . . . may no longer be tenable.”

As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn’t be here.

Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life—every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart. [For example. Ed.] Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby, whose gravity will draw away asteroids, a thousand times as many would hit Earth’s surface. The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing.

Yet here we are, not only existing, but talking about existing. What can account for it? Can every one of those many parameters have been perfect by accident? At what point is it fair to admit that science suggests that we cannot be the result of random forces? Doesn’t assuming that an intelligence created these perfect conditions require far less faith than believing that a life-sustaining Earth just happened to beat the inconceivable odds to come into being?

...

Cool

Such a claim is fraught with statistical perils, however. The first is a familiar mistake of elaborating all the factors responsible for some specific event and calculating all the probabilities as if they were independent. In order for me to be writing this piece at this precise instant on this airplane, having done all the things I’ve done today, consider all the factors that had to be “just right”: I had to find myself in San Francisco, among all the cities in the world; the sequence of stoplights that my taxi had to traverse had to be just right, in order to get me to the airport when I did; the airport security screener had to experience a similar set of coincidences in order to be there when I needed her; same goes for the pilot. It would be easy for me to derive a set of probabilities that, when multiplied together, would produce a number so small that it would be statistically impossible for me to be here now writing.
This approach, of course, involves many fallacies. It is clear that many routes could have led to the same result. Similarly, when we consider the evolution of life on Earth, we have to ask what factors could have been different and still allowed for intelligent life. Consider a wild example, involving the asteroid that hit Earth sixty-five million years ago, wiping out the dinosaurs and a host of other species, and probably allowing an evolutionary niche for mammals to begin to flourish. This was a bad thing for life in general, but a good thing for us. Had that not happened, however, maybe giant intelligent reptiles would be arguing about the existence of God today.
An even more severe problem in Metaxas’s argument is the assumption of randomness, namely that physical processes do not naturally drive a system toward a certain state. This is the most common error among those who argue that, given the complexity of life on Earth, evolution is as implausible as a tornado ravaging a junkyard and producing a 747. The latter event is, indeed, essentially statistically impossible. However, we now understand that the process of natural selection implies that evolution is anything but random. Is it a miracle that the planet produced animals as complex as, and yet as different from, humans, dolphins, and cicadas, each so well “designed” for its own habitat? No. Natural selection drives systems in a specific direction, and the remarkable diversity of species on Earth today, each evolved for evolutionary success in a different environment, is one result.

You realize what you just posted^^^, don't you?

There have been scientists, researchers, and doctors working for years to put together a living cell from scratch. Finally, after hundreds of thousands of man-hours, they have managed to manipulate some DNA so that they can make some new kind of life. But they still haven't been able to duplicate the complexity of life from scratch.

Dumb old nature has out-selected the smartest scientists, researchers, and doctors in making life in tremendous abundance. In fact, nature has done it just like God would... if God existed.

Thanks for admitting that God exists.

Evolution is a hoax.

Besides, Metaxas is simply putting a bunch of findings together. He isn't making a new theory. He is simply showing what a lot of other people have found out.

Cool

So what, there are many things scientists cannot create and 7000 years ago we barely invented the wheel, I don't see your point here. Life is a complex matter, it also has been evolving for millions and millions of years. In the future we might even be able to make a human from scratch, who knows but you have no argument here.

I on the other side, destroyed your bullshit ''200 component needed'' argument. Now go back to your cave and think.

Did you forget what we were talking about? Have you forgotten what this thread is about? We are not talking about what scientists can create and not create. We are talking about the evolution hoax.

In this particular segment of posts, we are talking about the fact that science has found that life can't exist. Since evolution has to do with life, evolution can't exist, simply because life can't exist.

Scientists, doctors, and researchers understand many things about how life works. When you go to a standard hospital, you see them using their understanding of life and how it works... although their understanding is far from perfect.

Evolution, on the other hand, is a bunch of stories. If there happens to be some solid fact for evolution, we don't know it. All we really have in evolution theory is stories. We have not been able to create it in the lab. The closest we have come is to create some stuff that points towards evolution more strongly than anything before. But this stuff also points toward adaptation. So we don't know that it is evolution.

So, to recap, we have much understood manipulation of life in the medical. We have only hazy arguments about evolution without any proof for it other than talk, talk, talk. And then some additional science is found out. What is this additional science? There is no way that life can exist, scientifically.

We were having enough trouble with evolution alone. But now we find that life can't exist... except for the fact that it does. Since life can't exist, all the silly, non-fact-backed evolution talk is totally meaningless. In fact, the medical operations of life examination might be meaningless, except that they seem to factually work to some extent.

I understand your consternation. I totally understand why you would rather distract from the points being talked about. Your religion of evolution is unraveling before your eyes. Your trolling is coming out into the open. Since life is not possible scientifically, evolution is one big scandal. See, again, http://ericmetaxas.com/media/articles/science-increasingly-makes-case-god/.

Evolution is a big fat hoax.

Cool
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Ring species show the process of speciation in action. In ring species, the species is distributed more or less in a line, such as around the base of a mountain range. Each population is able to breed with its neighboring population, but the populations at the two ends are not able to interbreed. (In a true ring species, those two end populations are adjacent to each other, completing the ring.) Examples of ring species are

Yes I wrote to you about the ring species! I DID! You do not have to inform me what a ring specie is. I told several posts ago what they are. I must say that i almost got hooked in evolution by the ring specie, but then I thought... well... why not the one more step? Because well... its impossible maybe?

Ring species are almost new species to make it short.

You know what they say about almost. It's like you are almost right - being wrong.

Someone almost won - that means he had lost.

P.S Sorry... previously I had wrote that you show just bones. You show bones that not even showing what you imply they are showing. They are heavily incomplete small fragments that you imagine for example a whale to have legs... You just imagine stuff....

Yeah it could be the ancestor of a whale, as it could be the 99% of fake fossils. Yeah it could be anything.... It could be the bones of still living organisms today as well that looks totally different than in the picture as well.... Totally credible NOT.
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