Topic: Evolution is a hoax - page 96. (Read 108046 times)

Every single religious person would claim the same but with different gods and religions so clearly what you are experiencing can't be real, at all the others must be false but if you acknowledge that possibility then you understand that what you feel might be false as well. Having weird experiences can have a ton of different causes, the brain is capable of producing illusions so real that you could think they are real, that's why there are diseases like schizophrenia and others similar.

How do you know the world is real? You experience it that way right? The same with me and God. I have weird experiences, other people as well... and we all agree its God, as we have no other explanation for our sensations. If you would explain it to me how can I explain my feeling of being loved when there is absolutely no rational explanation for it I am all ears.

I might be making that up. But what is the difference if I feel it realisticly? Rational people should try everything, and if there would be a rational reason to believe evolution I would be first to study it. Convince me, or convince yourself to God.

''Nevertheless God exists, and it is as said in the Bible God cannot lie, so he is the truth.'' The logic of religious folks right there.

>The bible says god cannot lie
>Therefore god cannot lie
> I know this because it is said in the bible

There is 1 major problem, though. How do you know what the bible says is actually real? There are hundreds of other religious books and fictional books just like the bible

Maybe because people do not understand the term evolution, and everyone is using their own definition. If evolution would mean what most people think it means - and that is - things change. Hey.... I would believe in evolution as well. Damn... things change... that's a fact. Some people think that evolution means natural selection and things change. So I am an evolutionist in that case. There are others that think that organisms adapts and that is an evolution. Well... then I am an evolutionists.... again. I agree with everything of that. So that leaves out 95% population that understand evolution wrong. The rest 5% of "evolutionists" think that Tiger and Lion can reproduce, even if they are a separate species in their point of view. Hey.... that means I am not an evolutionist only slightly. I agree they can reproduce, but then again calling them separate specie if they can produce the offsprings is wrong.. Only the 1% of evolutionist understand and believes that the evolution had created a new classically defined specie - a specie that is separate in breeding capabilities with other members of the previous specie.

In that case - I do not believe that. And Im not that kind of evolutionist. The funny thing is - 99% of people that think they understand evolution, thinks about other things, that is not an evolution, and call it evolution.

There's pretty clear proof behind evolution. How could something so universally accepted be a hoax?

I have told you two times it is not so. I was atheist the moment i figured out the evolution theory is highly unlikely for various of reasons. Mostly because of the writings of Lamarck - he was an atheist. I was not convinced what made life. But I was convinced it was some kind of will behind that. I was I suppose a bit gnostic by that time and I was convinced that the will of organisms make them so to speak, by their own actions and not by random mutations. I was a quasi evolutionist so to speak, but I was convinced that random mutations go against the biology and how it organise itself by acting and reacting.

So you completly read me wrong and judge me wrong.


Well... Again you read me wrong. I just proved your evidence is not true. That is a manipulation by omission.


If not believing in a supreme will -GOD I would believe in a creative force of action and will of living organisms that would make a lot more sense to me than a randomness that goes against the biology of organisms. So again - wrong.


No... Most religions are very similiar to eachother and they are all wrong. Nevertheless God exists, and it is as said in the Bible God cannot lie, so he is the truth. You completly ignored my post and rant about me. Why? Have I said something that bothered you? Do you want to divert the subject from the manipulations that evolutionists make to justify their lack of success?


Science should be demonstrable and presentable to the non-scientist community. If it is not, it is not science, so your question is irrelevant, or at least it should be irrelevant in a world, that manipulation is not the key to success. If you ask if I have a higher degree from University, then yes I have. And I had the methodology of science studied there. I had also logic courses and courses how to aply logic and scientific methodology in my field. Not to mention the courses in statistics.


Those conclusions base on the basic informations that one can get in the biology classes in school where I live. That is not a secret to me how plants reproduce - that is a normal school curriculum here.


Oh... I question everything my friend. Especially gravity. Ofcourse gravity exists but on some other principles - mainly electrical. It is 100% verifiable that one can make antigrav field using simple electro static charges.

I care about everything that is interesting. So again you judge me wrongly.


So why they are admitting to only one? Because they know more than you know. They know it is a bull crap. And the ones they are using is the hardest to disprove because it involves having the expensive tools to experiment with radioactive izotopes.


Like? Listen....... 6k years people played your silly game of judging God. All were proven wrong. What makes you think you are special? All of them were fully convinced they had the reasons and "evidences" that the world had made itself. Epicureans, Libertines, Maniheists and so on and so forth. They were convinced in their "evidences". All are proven to worth nothing, as noone believes what they did back then. So will happen with the likes of you. There is no reason to suspect the otherwise. But history proves that it does not prove anything to anyone.

And you think evolution is wrong simply because in your mind it's against your god and you don't want any evidence against your fairy tail, otherwise what would you do, right? It's better to believe in a stupid religion, randomly chosen because you obviously do not believe in any of the other hundreds of religions, than accepting a well documented fact, evolution. Even if evolution was a total hoax your god would still be a fairy tail. You are not a scientist, are you? You just read articles, same as other people and them make your own conclusions, those conclusions are probably wrong since you don't know what you are talking about. You also probably never question anything else that doesn't attack your personal god like gravity or any other scientific theory because you don't care.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB910.html

The age of the earth is 4.5 billion years. The universe is shown to be old by several independent types of measurements.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH210.html

There is a ton of evidence against your god yet you still believe all that crap.

"See, how hard was it to read the first few comments or to actually understand that the first premise of the video is just wrong?"

Ok. You win by a word game. That was all that the modern science begun. "Scientists" were discussing words. Francis Bacon generally have said - words are not important. What is important is the reality. That is how science developed. Sadly now science look exactly the same way as in the times of F. Bacon.

It DOES NOT MATTER how you will call it a theory/diaper/superman/batman if it violates known laws it cannot exist or the laws it violates can not exist.

It cannot be called anything scientific at all as the premise had not even been tested and/or no new specie have been found because that is the hypothesis of evolution. I have no idea why it is called a theory honestly. IT SHOULD NOT. No new specie have been found on the experiment.


 It is a mind boggling what happened to the scientific method if people are not mad at this obvious fraud.

According to this diagram of scientific method it should still be called a hypothesis.



Maybe they say that partially the theory of evolution works because there exist a natural selection or something like that. Or another type of word games like:

The test should prove to produce new species/ and or speciments should produce urine. Ok there was no new specie but a speciment urinated. Is that how this fraud got the status of theory? Or what other fraud was there?

I guess it was stated that although no new specie have been observed the natural selection occurs. So that should be the theory of natural selection that is 100% accurate. Yes natural selection happens within the limits of genepool of a specie. But that is not what it's all about.

Ok the guy in the video took hypothesis for a theory. I knew you would be nitpicky on that. For the sake of argument - pretend he had ment a hypothesis and not a theory, and watch the rest ok?

We must know what are we talking about. You say that I don't know. But do you know? What is the theory evolution in your understanding of it? Maybe we are talking about two different things.

As I understand it. It is a theory that states what Darwin stated. "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life".

If that is the case - IT IS WRONG. No new specie originated by that means. But yes natural selection occurs and is 100% verifiable.

There is no axioms for the evolution, no metrics, no algebra, it's barely a science at all.

Thanks for the video, It's a great example of how I know you don't know shit about evolution. It's also in the comments.

''This video begins with a straight-out lie, and gets worse throughout. In science, a theory is not a law, and never will be one. A theory is an explanation of a phenomenon that is consistent with many observations of the phenomenon. A law is a simple statement of the relation between two or more quantities.''

''First of all, Law =/= theory. This is the first two fucking sentences in your video. A theory is an explanation based on evidence that has not been proven beyond a doubt but is most likely true. A law has been proven. If evolution had been disproven, it would be considered a debunked theory, and it wouldn't be a law even if it was proven, it would just be a phenomenon.''

See, how hard was it to read the first few comments or to actually understand that the first premise of the video is just wrong?

This is so ridiculous, we didn't evolve from monkey... Nowaday monkeys and us evolved from a common ancestor which disappeared since then. Evolution is the only theory that actually makes some sense. It might be proven wrong one day and I am sure that scientists will recongnize another truth if evolution gets overruled by evidence.

Why do you think I know nothing of evolution? I know more than you. I know there is no empirical evidence for it. Just a possibilities and assumptions. Those in my humble opinion should not be the basis to create your life ideology around. Just that.

I am not smarter than anyone. I admire someone spending so much energy and devotion to defend such a ridiculous idea to make it more believable. So I not only think Im not smarter than those people I am a lot less devoted than them.

Oh I do not even need to write anything on the subject of evolution. There are a lot of materials on the internet that absolutely demolish evolution. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38VngsfvMOs&index=6&list=PLvi3DA39DmAFRwMmadh6Nrkf8ognXmgnB

I would add that the unused organs dissapear - called Atrophy, that would prove evolution wrong as well, as the evolution claims that proves are within the remains of now unused organs. That is simply impossible because it violates the law of Atrophy of unused organs.

So the only one claim that is shouted everywhere, about supposedly unusuful part of the body, that was used by the specie that was evolved from is just impossible to happen as it violates scientific law.

That one is enough to prove that "evolutionists" are not credible, to say the least to be called a knowledgable and critically thinking people.

Why do people who can't find any proof for evolution, continually talk like it is real, when all it is, is a religion? It's amazing that people talk themselves into believing something as silly as evolution, based on a lot of talk, and on a handful of things that can easily be judged to be something other than evolution.

Evolution at best is a religion, but because it is a false religion...

Evolution is a hoax.

Why people that know nothing about evolution think they can come to a forum and explain to us how evolution is not real? Shouldn't you go publish a paper dismissing evolution? Why do you think 99.99% of the scientific community agrees that evolution is a fact? You think you are smarter than them because you read a few religious articles about evolution? What makes you think you you would even understand the evidence for it if you never studied about it?

Yeah. True. Religious people lie. Bible don't as far as I am aware.


Well... No. Actually the staging of the crime scene is a very weak empirical evidence, but evidence none the less if it is enacted with the logical framework of other clues. Noone had staged the evolution. Find another similiarities.


No. Not most of them. You lie. The data shows something close to 50% depending on religion. I have nothing to do with them. Why do you compare me with them? That is not an argument.

I have told you. There are a lot of atheist that deny evolution. And I was one of them.

You make yet another logical fallacy - now using the error of equivocation.


Good that you have pointed that out - in my real life I have not seen evolution, nor anyone for that matter. So yeah.... who is detached from reality here?


Like what evidence? I have just told you noone had ever made a new specie, and by specie I mean the new speciment that cannot interbreed with any other speciments of the same specie, but can interbreed with the similiar speciments.

AND THAT IS THE EVOLUTION.

Nope. Noone had ever seen even in the thousands of years the appearance of any new specie anywhere on earth. What we could see is the natural selection. Yes that exist. One specie can die, and the other can adapt but still is a specie of that kind - it can breed with the the same speciments. It all comes to a taxonomy. Nowadays "evolutionists" call subspecies a new specie. There is no reason to have a subspecie taxonomy if a two speciments of subspecie can interbreed - it is still a specie. Lion is still a cat, tiger is still a cat and cat is still a cat, they all can interbreed. There is an urban legend that those species are infertile, it was proven to be false.

There are some rare instances of partial infertility proven scientificly within the so called ring species. But it is nowhere near to prove that a cat is not cat anymore for example.

Noone has ever seen evolution in action, only so called adaption and natural selection. Noone. So logical conclusion must be that it must take more than thounsands of years - millions.

That is not science. Sorry. You just can not assume something has happened because it is possible. Someone will say - hey the God theory is not a science as well. I agree. Both are not science. Period. However one or another would try, it is imposible to say you have seen something when you have not. Period.

I have not claimed I saw God either. I am only convinced based on how everything is constructed, how life works, and how everything interact with eachother. It is a waaaaaay smarter guess than the evolution if you find out the evolutionists lie and cheat.

Where are those "ape-like" ancestors? None were found. Why do people say that they saw things that they did not? It is called a patological lies, and definatly not a science.

By the way. Evolutionists love the argument that if you do not believe in evolution you must think that God had made it. No way......... There are a lot of people that say the evolution is a lie, and they are 100% atheists. I was one of such a guy. It is just easier to believe in God if you do not believe your fellow human liars, thats all. They throw a stumbling block on you.

Those kind of proponents of evolution think that when they promote their point of view they are opposed by the God. NO! They are opposed by the truth. And it so happens to be that the God is on the truth side 100% times. Coincidence?

It just proves the words of the Jesus - Know the truth and truth will set you free. What truth? That we are an apes? To the contrary - that we are not. We are a children of God.

There are a lot of people that are just afraid of freedom. They like their little confinement. Ok. Let them be. I do not mind their choices. Just do not claim your lack of perspective is the whole picture.

Evolution is a process where species change and adapt for them to be able to survive. Evolution is a long process, it could take hundreds of years, centuries, or even thousands of years. Also, the scientific theory of the evolution of man does not specifically mentioned monkeys; it only mentioned that man came from "ape-like" ancestors. In addition to that, to support my above mentioned statement, according to my research, the whole process of the evolution of man took about over a period of approximately millions of years.