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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 01, 2024, 06:23:38 AM

Summer break. A long hiatus for Formula 1 racers. No one can do anything even test drives.
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Mentioning about test drives, wasn't Daniel Ricciardo going to go up against Liam Lawson for Red Bull at their headquarters?

"There had been speculation that Lawson and Ricciardo are being evaluated in the 2024 VCARB 01 F1 car to determine who is a more suitable replacement for Sergio Perez in the second half of the 2024 season. This consideration comes in light of Perez's significant performance slump following the Chinese Grand Prix."
source: https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/news/f1-news-christian-horner-reveals-real-reason-behind-liam-lawson-and-daniel-ricciardo-test-01j43yvkb7j3

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Quote from: stompix on July 30, 2024, 12:13:28 PM

He hasn't shown much and he is on par with Leclrec but older and with less money from sponsors, it was expected.
Same thing with Perez, the money talked, and he will stay till the end despite his constant flops that will at this point for sure cost RB the championship, Ricciardo is no golden fix either so seems like being out of revolutionary options RB will just have to keep on going with the same thing and hope it will go better after the break.

Leclerc and Perez are both really a big disappointment though. I mean many people including me have had big hopes from Leclerc especially. But he couldn't meet the expectations exactly. Even in Ferrari's better times. He tends to make simple individual mistakes still.

About Perez, he has just turned into a useless driver I'm afraid. Sad

I remember his good old times. But now they are no more to be seen. He has just lost his competitive nature.

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The way things go lately you need at least 4-8 races to see if it's an improvement or just a series of random events that lead to it.
I wouldn't be surprised by anything, even by Ferrari outclassing McLaren after the break, it all started when RB was no longer king of the road
so why stop the wave of surprise now?

Yes, you are right maybe things might even completely change after the break. We don't know how Ferrari will return even if they don't look promising for now. Tongue

I would like to see them getting back in the game.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 01, 2024, 06:23:38 AM

Summer break. A long hiatus for Formula 1 racers. No one can do anything even test drives.

Here is a good read while we are waiting for the Heineken Dutch Grand Prix.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/power-rankings-which-drivers-impressed-our-judges-with-some-brilliant.1C0nC8gkASxpiv5t1OHZtl
POWER RANKINGS: Which drivers impressed our judges with some brilliant driving in Belgium?

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How it works
Our five-judge panel assess each driver after every Grand Prix and score them out of 10 according to their performance across the weekend – taking machinery out of the equation

Our experts’ scores are then averaged out to produce a race score – with those scores then tallied up across the season on our overall Power Rankings Leaderboard (at the bottom of the page)

1. Lewis Hamilton
Oh yes, he played that race so smoothly taking the 1st spot from the third position. Very lovely.
2. George Russell
Was it really tire wear? He did the one-stop plan so I think there's a good reason behind it. Imagine taking a big risk of driving with a worn tire and finishing first then suddenly you are disqualified. I bet that hurts more for the driver than the team.
3. Oscar Piastri
4. Charles Leclerc
5. Daniel Ricciardo
6. Max Verstappen - Damn penalty. Grin

Eh , 1 week is almost done from a total of 3 weeks break and F1 will be back.

Like you said above , I agree with all top 6 but I must also say that Leclerc didn't everything he could to actually get a top 3 on track but he doesn't have a car that can compete with McLaren and Mercedes and this might hurt them in 2nd half of the season too.

Regarding Ricciardo , I think he finally found some himself back and he started to accumulate more points for his team but unfortunately for him , he couldn't get a transfer back to RedBull and that was his goal for this summer break... .Hopefully , he will still be a strong and dedicate driver to score points and try to catch a RedBull seat for next season because if he won't , I'm not so sure how much he will stay in F1.

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Summer break. A long hiatus for Formula 1 racers. No one can do anything even test drives.

Here is a good read while we are waiting for the Heineken Dutch Grand Prix.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/power-rankings-which-drivers-impressed-our-judges-with-some-brilliant.1C0nC8gkASxpiv5t1OHZtl
POWER RANKINGS: Which drivers impressed our judges with some brilliant driving in Belgium?

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How it works
Our five-judge panel assess each driver after every Grand Prix and score them out of 10 according to their performance across the weekend – taking machinery out of the equation

Our experts’ scores are then averaged out to produce a race score – with those scores then tallied up across the season on our overall Power Rankings Leaderboard (at the bottom of the page)

1. Lewis Hamilton
Oh yes, he played that race so smoothly taking the 1st spot from the third position. Very lovely.
2. George Russell
Was it really tire wear? He did the one-stop plan so I think there's a good reason behind it. Imagine taking a big risk of driving with a worn tire and finishing first then suddenly you are disqualified. I bet that hurts more for the driver than the team.
3. Oscar Piastri
4. Charles Leclerc
5. Daniel Ricciardo
6. Max Verstappen - Damn penalty. Grin

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My main question for the next season line up of Ferrari si.... are they really prepared to fullify all the super pressure is gonna put the two drivers and a lot of headaches made by both of them for troubles in the track? I mean is Charles LEcelerc and Lewis Hamilton both wants to win no matter how and both wants to be the number 1 driver.... Is gonna acept being the number 2 Leclerc without any fight? I dont think so and also i dont think this Ferrari team and headcoach can manage this in a well manner.

A lot of drama i can smell and expect.

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Ferrari may not even answer, if we have seen Ferrari enough in the last decade, we know that they don't really do anything to help with their drivers at all, they just get drivers and hope that things will go fine.

To be fair, if they weren't paid that extra money that no other team gets, then we wouldn't even have a Ferrari by now, they are just propped up by formula one and given extra money so they would continue but that is about it, hell I am starting to believe that they care about other races than formula at this point, they know that they are not doing anything good here.

If they wanted to, all they had to do was get Newey just as he is leaving red bull, and wit Hamilton+Charles combo and Newey at the helm, they would have done something magical. They are getting Hamilton at the end of his career, for maybe a season or two, when he is already behind George as it is if you ask me, points don't matter, it is obvious George is already getting better than Hamilton, because Lewis is just getting older. At this point, I believe that Ferrari will just let it happen, RB is better, Mclaren is better and now Mercedes is better, they will be fourth car by the end of the season at constructors title.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on July 30, 2024, 08:18:08 AM

This really surprised me. Because it is like a downgrade in his career thinking how bad Williams is these days. But I hope he signs for a big team after 1 season the most. Because Sainz is one of the most skilled drivers on the grid.

He hasn't shown much and he is on par with Leclrec but older and with less money from sponsors, it was expected.
Same thing with Perez, the money talked, and he will stay till the end despite his constant flops that will at this point for sure cost RB the championship, Ricciardo is no golden fix either so seems like being out of revolutionary options RB will just have to keep on going with the same thing and hope it will go better after the break.

Quote from: emrecemsan on July 30, 2024, 08:18:08 AM

Mercedes is really ahead of Ferrari recently and I wonder how Ferrari will answer.

The way things go lately you need at least 4-8 races to see if it's an improvement or just a series of random events that lead to it.
I wouldn't be surprised by anything, even by Ferrari outclassing McLaren after the break, it all started when RB was no longer king of the road
so why stop the wave of surprise now?

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It was a really disappointing ending for Russell. But it was all Mercedes' fault of course. They should have been more careful with the weight of the car before the race started. Sad

Hamilton got his 2nd win after Great Britain which is really impressive. What do you think? Is he already regretting to sign for Ferrari now? Tongue

Mercedes is really ahead of Ferrari recently and I wonder how Ferrari will answer.

By the way now we have a 1-month summer break until Zandvoort. August 23-25 are the dates for the next GP. Verstappen can't win for 4 races and it is going to be his home GP up next. So I'm curious already...

Quote from: rdbase on July 29, 2024, 05:44:28 PM

Sainz signs with Williams for next season:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/analysis-how-williams-won-out-over-sauber-and-alpine-to-secure-sainz-and.LrlMBihQBd2C9z8pkO6nb

This really surprised me. Because it is like a downgrade in his career thinking how bad Williams is these days. But I hope he signs for a big team after 1 season the most. Because Sainz is one of the most skilled drivers on the grid.

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Races are never done til all checks are done because the other Mercedes won the race.
The FIA decided the finalized race results in the end of this one.

Due to another fuel issue which caused the car to weigh less than all the others on the track, Russell was disqualified.
So that means Hamilton takes 1first place, Piastri to second and Leclerc third for the Belgian Grand Prix.

Sainz signs with Williams for next season:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/analysis-how-williams-won-out-over-sauber-and-alpine-to-secure-sainz-and.LrlMBihQBd2C9z8pkO6nb

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So another race another drama, Russell was disqualified so, ironically his teammate wins just like in the previous one, Lando was behind Max so he is running slowly out of time for a season surprise.

Honestly after the mess with the 10-place penalty and how the grid looked at the start it was clear it was going to be one messy race and glad I stayed out of it, no way in hell I would have guessed the tiniest part of what the end standings look like, although all my instinct screamed, you're going to see, despite this Perez is still going to finish behind Max.
Probably good times to gamble with closed eyes as logic fails a lot lately.

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By the way if it was Verstappen in Norris' place there, I say he would NEVER switch places with Piastri. Grin

He wouldn't do it against anyone in short because of his very ambitious nature.

The race weekend has already started. FP1 has ended and Verstappen was at top at the end of the session. His time was 1:43.372 which is proving my point on my previous post. We saw a few seconds better laps already in FP1 compared to last season.

Who knows what it will be during qualifying. In addition, I have noticed interesting odds for qualifying too. Verstappen is given 1.72 for pole while it is 3.80 for Norris. I think it is worth giving Norris pole a chance at these nice odds.

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@FanEagle & @boltz
McLaren should let the their drivers get those first place wins on their own merit then. Simply put.
If Verstappen was right behind Piastri fighting for first place, do you think he could handle that?
Norris has the experience and they have done several races together in the sim machines.
But since Oscar has put this podium under this belt, we will see how he can use this flex to his advantage in this race right after doing just that. Taking the race from Lando.

Atleast we can all agree: It won't be a boring one!
And that is all F1 fans want to see some fight for the race and not just the same driver winning over and over and over again.

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Personally I don't think Norris has any real chances to actually fight for the championship against Max and McLaren knows this very well. Also , Norris doesn't have what it needs to be a champion and McLaren also noticed this so I won't be surprised if the power slowly moves towards Piastri with each race passing by. I also don't think we will see another UK driver becoming F1 champ for quite some time as no one is really at the level of Hamilton from all aspects.

Now , let's see what SPA will provide because once again , I do see Piastri finishing in front of Norris this will create more drama between them and more rivalry that should bring an epic showdown between them. I also hope McLaren will provide a title car next year and let them battle fairly on track like Mercedes did with Rosberg and Hamilton back in 2016. <3

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Quote from: boltz on July 25, 2024, 06:47:17 AM

I personally agree with McLaren decision to let Oscar win because they made a big undercut with Norris to protect against Hamilton and Max and that worked very well for Norris so it was the right decision to make Oscar back on 1st position. However , the crybaby Norris wanted to flex a little without having any rights to actually win the race because we was on pole and lost his position to Oscar on track without having any real chance to actually fight back. More than this , it took Norris 4 years to achieve his first F1 victory and that came with massive luck from Safety Car in Miami because without that he would still be without any victory. On the other side , it took Oscar 1.5 years to actually win an F1 race and the kid is way more talented than Norris in every aspect and he does have an F1 champ aura around him. For me , Norris , is just another average driver and in my 26 years of watching F1 , I've saw plenty of drivers just like him and they all achieved a few victories and nothing more. Cool

I would say that nobody is saying it was an "unfair" one, they let Norris take the lead with the strategy, to make sure that they have the best chance, and that's understandable, it was a better deal, if they gave that advantage to Piastri then he would have won even easier, but Norris would have been in trouble, that's why the strategy was the correct one and what they asked Norris to do wasn't unfair neither. What people are saying that it was needless, I mean Norris is fighting for drivers title, and sure Piastri deserved the win there, but we have seen people who do not even deserve, end up getting the lead, just because they are fighting in the championship. It wouldn't hurt the team, team would still get the same points, and Norris would have been closer to Max as well.

So while people think that it was fair request, it was a stupid one and that's why it is not really looking like what they should have done. That's of course in the past, they will grow from there and we could end up with same situation again and we could end up with something much better and maybe they won't do it again. Maybe this was to give Piastri his first win, after this maybe they will not do it again.

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I personally agree with McLaren decision to let Oscar win because they made a big undercut with Norris to protect against Hamilton and Max and that worked very well for Norris so it was the right decision to make Oscar back on 1st position. However , the crybaby Norris wanted to flex a little without having any rights to actually win the race because we was on pole and lost his position to Oscar on track without having any real chance to actually fight back. More than this , it took Norris 4 years to achieve his first F1 victory and that came with massive luck from Safety Car in Miami because without that he would still be without any victory. On the other side , it took Oscar 1.5 years to actually win an F1 race and the kid is way more talented than Norris in every aspect and he does have an F1 champ aura around him. For me , Norris , is just another average driver and in my 26 years of watching F1 , I've saw plenty of drivers just like him and they all achieved a few victories and nothing more. Cool

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It was really pathetic and just horrible to actually hear it live. They were basically pleading for him to let Oscar win. As he didn't have too being nearly 6 seconds ahead and pulling away at every turn.
Let the drivers drive and leave them to their own devices. Take care of the cars and inform them of issues with tyres and engine trouble. That's it! You have one job to do, not nag and beg on the radio because they knew the whole world can hear those cringy remarks to begin with. Utterly pathetic.

Back to this week's race!
@danherbias07 missed there is a practice session which kicks off this weekend so here is the link to that:
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/belgian-grand-prix-2024-practice-1/belgian-grand-prix-2024-practice-1-669e49d60e460c00019d3e75

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Quote from: rdbase on July 23, 2024, 07:59:32 AM

The statements on the radio calls made to Norris during the race tells us exactly what was going on in their heads.
Why Norris Should Have Ignored Team Orders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srX5nXZa3to

This is more cringe material than blackmailing and it's just pathetic.
McLaren has the best car right now, they can win the team championship but they can seriously have a go at the driver also, now what happens if they lose that by less than 7 points? I can understand team rules but this hasn't done anything good, I doubt even Oscar is happy that his first win was like this.

Anyhow, this is going to be a lesson to bettors, the one starting first might be let to win, so in-game live bets are quite different if you don't watch it and just go by the standings.

Seems like we have a new clear favorite for the race but when it comes to the full championship it's still 1.1, wonder how high those would go if Lando wins again and Max is out of top 3.

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Let's continue with the race up next, Belgian GP. Wink

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Spa track has a new surface before this upcoming race. As a result asphalt grip is expected to be very strong. It is a track with a pretty low downforce at the same time so I wonder which teams will be able to turn it into advantage somehow.

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Verstappen has a dominance on this track for the last 3 years. He won all those races - the one in 2021 was abandoned though due to heavy rain but he technically won anyway. Grin

However power balances are changing quite much recently. Norris is already highly favoured by 1.90 while it is 3.90 for Verstappen. After the thing happened in the previous race, I expect Norris to be very ambitious to go for the win. Cool

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Up next: Belgium 2024.

https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2024/belgium

Here's the link for the qualifying match.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/belgian-grand-prix-2024-qualification/belgian-grand-prix-2024-qualification-669e46f03b5f150001387237

And here is for the race.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/belgian-grand-prix-2024-race/belgian-grand-prix-2024-race-66a09d611612c50001850854

Lando Norris is the favorite to win both matches while Max Verstappen is behind him. x2.75 for Norris and x3.00 for Max at the qualifying match. x3.20 for Norris to win the fastest lap for the race while x3.25 for Max. It's not that far so this is a hard choice to make.

Also, be informed of the change of the new team boss of the Audi F1 team.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/articles/ckvg0zpyn5zo
Binotto replaces Seidl as head of Audi F1 project

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Andreas Seidl has been removed as head of Audi's Formula 1 project and replaced by former Ferrari team boss Mattia Binotto.

The decision to replace Seidl, after 19 months in the role of chief executive officer, comes amid concerns about the progress of the Sauber team that Audi has taken over as the basis for its F1 entry in 2026.

Oliver Hoffmann, previously chairman of the boards of all Sauber companies, has also been removed from his role.

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Piastri vs Norris and all, but one thing that need to talk about is how terrible it was for Max. I mean Max Verstappen is the drivers leader, and it is very very clear that he has a much worse car than Mclaren, and we can argue that even Mercedes looks better nowadays as well, or at least close.

I think it's clear that Max had some trouble all race long, he was having trouble with getting faster, this Red Bull was once so much faster than everyone that during the straights nobody could get close to them, at its peak had 30+ km faster than any other car with DRS, which means that they were taking over everyone with ease without issue.

This race we saw that he tried multiple laps to pass Hamilton and couldn't, that wasn't Max's fault, he tried his best and at the end he did something he shouldn't do and made a mistake as well, causing him points. I believe that Red Bull needs to find their groove back, and get the car better, they haven't had any good improvement in years. While other teams keep getting better and keep getting closer to Red Bull, we have never seen Red Bull have any upgrades that would help them, it is just not possible and they need to have at least one, to give Max a chance.

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