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Quote from: rdbase on September 16, 2024, 08:20:47 PM

and as @NeuroticFish has already mentioned above, there was not going to be any further action taken to either driver going into the next race at Singapore

A small correction is needed since I don't want to "steal" credit, it's @stompix the one saying that (see this post). I only confirmed that.

Quote from: Volgastallion on September 17, 2024, 11:16:41 AM

For me is really no ones fault, is very dificult to know but for me still seems like Sainz lose the control of the car abruptly for some wind change or sudenly lost of grip. Asides of that if that was not the case, the fault is more in Perez side because he was behind and he can see the 4 wheels of the car. But still a race incident it can happen, is a shit but it is what it is.

Actually their trajectory was in a way they were getting just a bit closer to each other with every 100m passing and I am not sure how easy was that to notice. Of course, pilots at that level should have noticed, no matter how angry or eager to win they were.
I totally agree with "is a shit but it is what it is".

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Quote from: stompix on September 17, 2024, 09:52:43 AM

Quote from: rdbase on September 16, 2024, 08:20:47 PM

Look at those results and think of the final Sunday race results.
They look very similar expect for the first and second place finishes along with Sainz & Perez taking each other out of the race late.

It's quite different, 2 are not in the final standing, Lando is, a 1-2 swtich and nobody is in the position they've started the race on.
Although I am totally unhappy with the results the race was a good one, if you're completely impartial and you just watch with no feelings for any probably one of the most thrilling ones.

Quote from: rdbase on September 16, 2024, 08:20:47 PM

Still looks like Sainz lost control of the car when trying to overtake then driving into Perez and both go into the wall. Also from my first watch of the incident, thought maybe the sun shining into Carlos eyes might have contributed to the accident aswell.
But will need to watch the lap again to see what happened but all that matters is what the stewards thought and as @NeuroticFish has already mentioned above, there was not going to be any further action taken to either driver going into the next race at Singapore.

From the view of the pilots it does seem like nobody was to blame, that's what the stewards also took into account, when we watch the race we have a birds-eye view of the thing, completely different from what they see there so sometimes we judge the situation by "he could have done that" when the pilot was not even aware of some of the things happening around. They did mention in their report a blind spot and I tend to agree with it, the crash also looks like the Ferrari is going totally left abruptly when that's the result of the two cars colliding, more like the outcome than the intention.

For me is really no ones fault, is very dificult to know but for me still seems like Sainz lose the control of the car abruptly for some wind change or sudenly lost of grip. Asides of that if that was not the case, the fault is more in Perez side because he was behind and he can see the 4 wheels of the car. But still a race incident it can happen, is a shit but it is what it is.

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Quote from: rdbase on September 16, 2024, 08:20:47 PM

Look at those results and think of the final Sunday race results.
They look very similar expect for the first and second place finishes along with Sainz & Perez taking each other out of the race late.

It's quite different, 2 are not in the final standing, Lando is, a 1-2 swtich and nobody is in the position they've started the race on.
Although I am totally unhappy with the results the race was a good one, if you're completely impartial and you just watch with no feelings for any probably one of the most thrilling ones.

Quote from: rdbase on September 16, 2024, 08:20:47 PM

Still looks like Sainz lost control of the car when trying to overtake then driving into Perez and both go into the wall. Also from my first watch of the incident, thought maybe the sun shining into Carlos eyes might have contributed to the accident aswell.
But will need to watch the lap again to see what happened but all that matters is what the stewards thought and as @NeuroticFish has already mentioned above, there was not going to be any further action taken to either driver going into the next race at Singapore.

From the view of the pilots it does seem like nobody was to blame, that's what the stewards also took into account, when we watch the race we have a birds-eye view of the thing, completely different from what they see there so sometimes we judge the situation by "he could have done that" when the pilot was not even aware of some of the things happening around. They did mention in their report a blind spot and I tend to agree with it, the crash also looks like the Ferrari is going totally left abruptly when that's the result of the two cars colliding, more like the outcome than the intention.

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Quote from: stompix on September 14, 2024, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: rdbase on September 14, 2024, 02:52:27 AM

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What year? It is looking from those drivers you had listed in your graphic, pre-covid track results.

I was watching P3 and I was saying to myself that if Perez grabs top 3 again I'm going to quit watching this thing.
I swear if the guy suddenly redeems himself and starts getting solid points I quit putting one dime on F1, it would be like all my theories going to ash and dust.
Perez 4th Verstappen 6th, common....
With my bets being more about guys failing to deliver I seriously don't know who to cheer for right now.
Just for the fun of it, really.....

Look at those results and think of the final Sunday race results.
They look very similar expect for the first and second place finishes along with Sainz & Perez taking each other out of the race late.

Still looks like Sainz lost control of the car when trying to overtake then driving into Perez and both go into the wall. Also from my first watch of the incident, thought maybe the sun shining into Carlos eyes might have contributed to the accident aswell.
But will need to watch the lap again to see what happened but all that matters is what the stewards thought and as @NeuroticFish has already mentioned above, there was not going to be any further action taken to either driver going into the next race at Singapore.

What a wild race and the ending of it finishing under a virtual safety car. We haven't had one of those what was it in six races?
Now Piastri is looking like the lead driver now all the sudden. Undecided

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Quote from: stompix on September 16, 2024, 09:12:06 AM

And man, I really hate myself for picking on Perez every time but...lol

I would really like to see Checo getting back to his old good days, but winning a race is a bit too much for him lately and I don't expect better in the near future.
A place on the podium in Baku would have been wonderful.. but.. yeah...

Quote from: stompix on September 16, 2024, 09:12:06 AM

In conclusion, the Stewards deem this to be a racing incident with neither driver being predominantly at fault, and take no further action.

I've watched more replays and I agree with the stewards: both Checo and Carlos were equally idiot and it's indeed both' fault.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 15, 2024, 10:40:11 AM

Quote from: stompix on September 15, 2024, 09:11:47 AM

So, RB has clearly lost the championship

There is still chance they can fix the car. It may be some fine tuning they've got wrong.

I'll think of take my chances with those, finally, there is a bet RB vs Ferrari, I'm so angry this wasn't available earlier as probably the odds would have been 2 even 3 4-5 races ago:

And man, I really hate myself for picking on Perez every time but...lol

Quote from: emrecemsan on September 15, 2024, 11:05:40 AM

But I wonder what kind of a decision FIA is going to make. Maybe a grid penalty for both sides? Or no penalty at all.

Nothing:
https://www.fia.com/events/fia-formula-one-world-championship/season-2024/2024-fia-formula-one-world-championship

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The Stewards checked the driving line of the drivers on pervious laps. Sainz was on or close to his normal racing line, which forms a slight angle away from the right hand wall. From the exit to the point of contact he move approximately one car width further away from the wall. Perez moved approximately half a car width further away from the same wall, being more parallel to the right hand wall. It was thus apparent that while ahead, and having the right to drive his line, Sainz did move slightly towards a car that he had limited vision of. At the same time, there was nothing unusual about Perez’ line, but he could have done more to avoid the car that he had better view of.

In conclusion, the Stewards deem this to be a racing incident with neither driver being predominantly at fault, and take no further action.

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This time it wasn't one of the good days for Ferrari. Because not only Leclerc lost the lead to Piastri but also Sainz crashed while there was a chance for him to finish on podium as well. Sad

That crash was a really awkward one though... I feel like both of Sainz and Perez share the responsibility in that crash. But I wonder what kind of a decision FIA is going to make. Maybe a grid penalty for both sides? Or no penalty at all.

I really admired Norris' climb at the same time. He started with hard tyres and gained lots of positions. Despite staying with the same tyres for nearly 40 laps, he still finished in 4th place. That crash was also a big help about that. Tongue

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Quote from: stompix on September 15, 2024, 09:11:47 AM

So, RB has clearly lost the championship

There is still chance they can fix the car. It may be some fine tuning they've got wrong.

Quote from: stompix on September 15, 2024, 09:11:47 AM

and Max has completely fudged a chance to add some 6-7 points on top of his advantage and instead got again -3, probably not decisive since Lando lost more because of his team in the past but he really can't afford to throw away these chances.

He likes a certain balance of the car. That's missing now. Until that is restored, he is helplessly lost.

Quote from: stompix on September 15, 2024, 09:11:47 AM

As for Perez, no matter how much I make fun of him normally, I feel really bad for him on this one!

I also feel bad for him, he did a good race, even better than expected although I had big expectations from him, knowing his history at Baku, ... but all this until the crash.

I've seen a few replays of the crash, I've seen some comments too, I don't know yet for certain whose fault it is. However, it was ugly.
After a race I've greatly enjoyed, this late crash has ruined it for me.

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Quote from: stompix on September 14, 2024, 09:09:57 AM

Anyone betting on a crash/collision on the first lap as I see too many with something to prove this race?

Got this wrong, it should have been in the last lap..

Quote from: stompix on September 14, 2024, 09:09:57 AM

And why is Lando still the favorite for the fastest lap on par with Max?

Got this wrong also!

So, RB has clearly lost the championship and Max has completely fudged a chance to add some 6-7 points on top of his advantage and instead got again -3, probably not decisive since Lando lost more because of his team in the past but he really can't afford to throw away these chances.
As for Perez, no matter how much I make fun of him normally, I feel really bad for him on this one!

7 races 59 points, nobody saw this coming at the start!

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Quote from: stompix on September 14, 2024, 08:10:08 AM

I was watching P3 and I was saying to myself that if Perez grabs top 3 again I'm going to quit watching this thing Grin

I swear if the guy suddenly redeems himself and starts getting solid points I quit putting one dime on F1, it would be like all my theories going to ash and dust.
Perez 4th Verstappen 6th, common....

Perez knows Baku, Perez likes Baku. And well.. it was also helped, overly surprisingly, by Verstappen, to get to 4th.
For me a real surprise is what Colapinto was managed to do (and he almost could have done much better).

I'll say it again:

Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 09, 2024, 12:50:15 PM

imho Baku is all about correct reflexes, not necessarily the best car, so it may come with interesting results.

On Newey's contract... while I do expect Ferrari quite resistant against big changes (personnel, strategy, ..), I still think that it was about money. And, as @rdbase said, some shares added to the salary package.

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What a qualyfication guys, really good one it was.

No super crash and a few super news, really impresed by the rookies, Oliver Bearman and Colapinto both making a super performance in a very difficult track.

The most important think it was the failure of Lando Norris, what happened with him? The car have the pace to be on the fight, really bad for him in his will of fight for the championship.

Tomorrow is a new chance for him ,in Baku you can have so much Safety car and be back on top like no other circuit.

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I wonder what the cash-out for Leclerc is right now, down from 6:1 to 1.85
And why is Lando still the favorite for the fastest lap on par with Max? Wtf am I missing here, am I looking at the same grid as everyone else?

Oh btw, since we're still at funny moments

Quote from: rdbase on September 13, 2024, 05:51:05 AM

Piastri was told by McLaren to support Lando's driver's title race after what happened last weekend.

I can imagine Piastri now looking at the staff and doing the most annoying HOTD quote of the year:
"What would you have me do?"

Anyone betting on a crash/collision on the first lap as I see too many with something to prove this race?

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I was lucky and tipped Ferrari with Leclerc on pole position, the Friday practice was decisive for my tip to tip Ferrari on pole position. I hope Ferrari can also realise their performance in the race and have a good strategy to win.

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The qualifying has finished! Here we have the results.

Leclerc has the pole position, yes! Grin

I'm really satisfied with that. I was expecting him to be competitive for pole position once again just as he got the pole here in the previous three years.

You will question why Norris couldn't even qualify for Q2 as well of course. He made a mistake and couldn't have a proper lap. But I was really shocked with the way he messed up in such a long time period.

Perez must have got past Verstappen for the first time in qualifying in a long while. He is really good as for street tracks. I think Leclerc will win the race tomorrow.

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Quote from: rdbase on September 14, 2024, 02:52:27 AM

@stompix
What year? It is looking from those drivers you had listed in your graphic, pre-covid track results. Grin

I was watching P3 and I was saying to myself that if Perez grabs top 3 again I'm going to quit watching this thing Grin

I swear if the guy suddenly redeems himself and starts getting solid points I quit putting one dime on F1, it would be like all my theories going to ash and dust.
Perez 4th Verstappen 6th, common....
With my bets being more about guys failing to deliver I seriously don't know who to cheer for right now Grin

Just for the fun of it, really.....

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Yes rally is different than endurance racing but I only recognized the name of the organization from when I still played those racing simulations some decades ago. Rally were in the forest tracks and this WEC is something that I was watching Max Verstappen doing simulations on during his livestreams on his gaming podcasts.
But F1 is the only sports racing I have really known about thoroughly since my teenage years.
So I am more invested into it than those others ones you and I have mentioned already, LeMans etc.

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What year? It is looking from those drivers you had listed in your graphic, pre-covid track results. Grin

@Volgastallion Leclerc has snatch the spotlight in FP2 going top of the leaderboard after almost crashing into the barrier wall in FP1.

Quote from: emrecemsan on September 13, 2024, 11:44:52 AM

I have seen this design by Red Bull below and really liked it.

As for the weekend so far Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes have been ahead of McLaren in FP1 and FP2. Norris also says that they are behind those 3 teams here in Baku. Interesting...
Maybe it is a strategy or something? Because it doesn't look convincing enough to me. You know how much they have progressed. I wouldn't expect them to be behind all of those teams.
Red Bull was also doing this sometimes. They were saving power for the qualifying and race by not pushing too much in practice sessions. Until I watch qualifying, I won't believe McLaren is worse here.

Very nice snapshot of the design Red Bull has made and it looks like one of those persian rugs.

So are just four hours away until the qualifying session starts for this race on the Azerbaijan track.

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Quote from: rdbase on September 11, 2024, 04:33:25 PM

@emrecemsan
Enough to even make it a possibility for Vettel in making a comeback with him on the team! Grin

I doubt that he is interested to return to F1. And I think that he wouldn't be that good choice for team after being few years out of F1. Still, way better option than Stroll Cheesy

Quote from: rdbase on September 13, 2024, 05:51:05 AM

So is anyone had the chance to even think about the F1 this weekend?
There are professional football leagues starting up again after their Int'l break, the biggest event in combat sports history happening at the Sphere in Las Vegas this weekend and the championship title race is heating up with Norris only 62 points behind Verstappen.
Piastri was told by McLaren to support Lando's driver's title race after what happened last weekend.

Football is important, but F1 is always my priority, unless Barcelona is playing on the same time. And I had to Google what biggest ever combat event will happen at Las Vegas sphere. Well, UFC isn't in area of my interests Cheesy

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I have seen this design by Red Bull below and really liked it.

As for the weekend so far Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes have been ahead of McLaren in FP1 and FP2. Norris also says that they are behind those 3 teams here in Baku. Interesting...

Maybe it is a strategy or something? Huh

Because it doesn't look convincing enough to me. You know how much they have progressed. I wouldn't expect them to be behind all of those teams.

Red Bull was also doing this sometimes. They were saving power for the qualifying and race by not pushing too much in practice sessions. Until I watch qualifying, I won't believe McLaren is worse here.

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Quote from: rohang on September 12, 2024, 09:14:22 AM

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What a lucky (and rich, well super rich) guy is Lance Stroll, he is gonna again have the opportunitie not only to keep racing in F1 when he is by far one of the worst and most irrelevant drivers in the grid, but also now to have a suepr car.... we can have one thing for sure, Aston Martin is gonna maybe fight for driver championship in the best of the cases, but not for constructor ones thanks to Lance being a complete disaster like always and Alonso making everything.

yea for sure, dude is doing everything right and more , outside of the race track.

Some people are hella lucky

hahaha you make me laugh, yes he is a good son it seems.

Well after the two first free practice i have to say i dont have any clue what is gonna happen in this race. Ferrari looking really good, Red Bull not so bad, but the main question is, what about Mclaren? And also Mercedes was very nice Hamilton on top positions in both practice.

What do you think?

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Baku will be quite important because Mclaren has some serious straight line power, compared to Ferrari which has a great turning, so Baku could be very well for Mclaren and they could definitely win this one. A Norris win, with Max not finishing high up, could actually change so much of the league, it could put Lando Norris on chasing level, and it could be very fun. I can't say if it will exactly be like that or not, we do not know how exactly it will be, but Baku seems like some place Norris could do fine.

I am also sure that the race will be stopped at least once, not sure if it will be VSC or just SC, but I know that someone will crash, it happens almost every year, wouldn't be a new thing. I know that the gap between the castle and what not, that famous small tight place, is not for everyone, but the real dangerous zone is right before the start straight, you turn with a very high speed, so it always has a risk of losing balance when you are going that fast and turning.

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