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December 16, 2021, 06:20:57 AM
Mercedes decided to withdraw their last appeal and I wasn't surprised by it. FIA weren't going to acknowledge Mercedes to be right anyway. In this sport, we shouldn't see this kind of incidents. FIA are making this sport seem worse when they make such decisions. They should act without favouring any side. This was definitely a big disrespect to Mercedes that they didn't even care about their point. Maybe they will "review" their decision but it wouldn't change anything probably.
December 16, 2021, 04:49:29 AM
This was obviously done by a fan of Max or of red bull.
Strangely missing is the fact that the Redbull raced throughout the first part of the championship with an irregular front wing and a rear wing that flexed over the limit.
They are not saints either and it would be ignorant to deny it, they decided to give it to Max on the last lap, not giving Lewis a chance.
No, I'm not a Hamilton fan.
Strangely missing is the fact that the Redbull raced throughout the first part of the championship with an irregular front wing and a rear wing that flexed over the limit.
They are not saints either and it would be ignorant to deny it, they decided to give it to Max on the last lap, not giving Lewis a chance.
No, I'm not a Hamilton fan.
Indeed, it was done by a fan of Max. I've took it only because it's more complete than I could make a list. And I agree that's biased and far from 100% complete.
The point/problem is that there were far too many judging mistakes this season... and not only this one, actually, just the number of mistakes may have reached a threshold this time.
On the other hand, the 2 news are:
1. Starting next year Masi will not be reachable by the team principals during the race
2. FIA will review the events from the Abu Dhabi race.
December 16, 2021, 04:45:44 AM
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When I look at Hamilton's career, I can say that he and Michael Schumacher are the most talented drivers.
As far as talent goes, Michael Schumacher is undeniably the best F1 driver ever. It is a pity that this misfortune happened to him. As for Hamilton, especially with such an excellent car, I would not put him on a par with Schumacher. Hamilton and the still young Verstappen are still racers with approximately the same abilities and talents, and this was clearly demonstrated by the last season. Although both of them are certainly superstars. When I look at Hamilton's career, I can say that he and Michael Schumacher are the most talented drivers.
December 15, 2021, 03:45:12 PM
And this goes for all those telling that the result was unfair:
This was obviously done by a fan of Max or of red bull.
Strangely missing is the fact that the Redbull raced throughout the first part of the championship with an irregular front wing and a rear wing that flexed over the limit.
They are not saints either and it would be ignorant to deny it, they decided to give it to Max on the last lap, not giving Lewis a chance.
No, I'm not a Hamilton fan.
December 15, 2021, 03:36:05 PM
Engines are not changing as far as I know, which means that Mercedes will definitely be the fastest car, they will obviously need to do some tinkering around the car for sure but in the end we are talking about Mercedes here and with this hybrid era they have been doing insanely good of a job and Hamilton will get his 8th title next season if you ask me.
Lewis probably doesn't feel like he needs to do testing or other smaller stuff, even Russel didn't need to do that, many teams have lower level talent for that, like for example Red Bull uses Albon for most tests and sim testing and all that, same could have been done by many teams. Vettel on the other hand was testing it himself, which I am assuming it will not be that much of a difficult for him and he just wanted to have some fun. Next season will definitely be very very different in many aspects.
Lewis probably doesn't feel like he needs to do testing or other smaller stuff, even Russel didn't need to do that, many teams have lower level talent for that, like for example Red Bull uses Albon for most tests and sim testing and all that, same could have been done by many teams. Vettel on the other hand was testing it himself, which I am assuming it will not be that much of a difficult for him and he just wanted to have some fun. Next season will definitely be very very different in many aspects.
December 15, 2021, 12:23:44 PM
Hamilton is a driver whose talent level is way higher than Verstappen. And I don't think that some other driver will be able to break the records that Hamilton did for a long time period. The only reason why people support Verstappen who is an arrogant driver is that Hamilton has been dominating F1 for a long time and people just want a change.
I do not believe that Lewis Hamilton's talents as a driver far exceed Verstappen's. Let's be objective - they are both bright stars in F1 races. But you are partly right. Hamilton's endless victories in previous years, by the way, of course honestly deserved, are really already a little tired of spectators and racing fans. They certainly want a change.
It was in 2021 that such changes took place.
But in any case, Max's victory is deserved and the whole season he was great, even despite the northern character and arrogance. Which of course upsets some of the fans.
I think like them, Hamilton is certainly an exceptional talent but Verstappen beat Hamilton with hard work and an inferior car (even if some maneuvers were hard). In another team, for example Ferrari, Hamilton probably would not have won the 7 world championship titles. Objectively and the Constructors titles (8 in a row) show Mercedes was the undisputed number one for the last 8 years and no one but Mercedes themselves could beat them. The last real competitor of Hamilton in the same car was Rosberg.
Frankly, I don't agree with this point of view. I would like to know the reason why you think that Mercedes' car is better than Red Bull's this year. Besides, Hamilton managed to leave his superstar teammate Alonso behind in his rookie season. But he lost the championship to Raikkonen. When I look at Hamilton's career, I can say that he and Michael Schumacher are the most talented drivers.
December 15, 2021, 09:39:20 AM
Hamilton is a driver whose talent level is way higher than Verstappen. And I don't think that some other driver will be able to break the records that Hamilton did for a long time period. The only reason why people support Verstappen who is an arrogant driver is that Hamilton has been dominating F1 for a long time and people just want a change.
I do not believe that Lewis Hamilton's talents as a driver far exceed Verstappen's. Let's be objective - they are both bright stars in F1 races. But you are partly right. Hamilton's endless victories in previous years, by the way, of course honestly deserved, are really already a little tired of spectators and racing fans. They certainly want a change.
It was in 2021 that such changes took place.
But in any case, Max's victory is deserved and the whole season he was great, even despite the northern character and arrogance. Which of course upsets some of the fans.
I think like them, Hamilton is certainly an exceptional talent but Verstappen beat Hamilton with hard work and an inferior car (even if some maneuvers were hard). In another team, for example Ferrari, Hamilton probably would not have won the 7 world championship titles. Objectively and the Constructors titles (8 in a row) show Mercedes was the undisputed number one for the last 8 years and no one but Mercedes themselves could beat them. The last real competitor of Hamilton in the same car was Rosberg.
December 15, 2021, 09:29:29 AM
Maybe he didn't become the champion this year, but Lewis Hamilton was honored with a big award. He was knighted by Prince Charles at a ceremony at Windsor Castle. The British driver became the fourth Formula 1 driver to be knighted, after Stirling Moss, Jackie Stewart and Jack Brabham.
He won a similar award when he became champion for the first time in 2008
Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.seven-time-f1-champion-sir-lewis-hamilton-knighted-at-windsor-castle.5tY9cYG8dFe6nqLsYD1YQ4.html
He won a similar award when he became champion for the first time in 2008
Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.seven-time-f1-champion-sir-lewis-hamilton-knighted-at-windsor-castle.5tY9cYG8dFe6nqLsYD1YQ4.html
December 15, 2021, 09:04:58 AM
AFAIK if race is cancelled, the title goes to Verstappen anyway, as he had more victories, right?
Yep, because the win at SPA
What a fiasco was this year's decisions
And this goes for all those telling that the result was unfair:
source: Twitter
It looks like the first tests have already started for the 2022 season. But it is not with the new cars yet. The drivers are just trying new Pirelli tyres. And according to the schedule I've seen, Hamilton is not in it. Instead, George Russell is testing the new tyres. Lewis Hamilton must be still disappointed about FIA's decisions. And he is still angry at them most probably for not accepting that they didn't abide by the rules in the race. It cost Hamilton his title in the end.
I've read that Williams and Aston Martin are also testing. You have to see Seb's helmet
December 15, 2021, 08:50:02 AM
So... it is not the end yet. Mercedes will take it's time to prepare the file. Thursday afternoon is the deadline.
https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/auto-moto/f1/gp-d-abu-dhabi-conforte-par-des-avocats-mercedes-pense-toujours-faire-invalider-le-resultat_AV-202112150175.html
And a live from Hamilton "This is getting manipulated man": https://twitter.com/f1newslive_/status/1470307943149195264
AFAIK if race is cancelled, the title goes to Verstappen anyway, as he had more victories, right?
https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/auto-moto/f1/gp-d-abu-dhabi-conforte-par-des-avocats-mercedes-pense-toujours-faire-invalider-le-resultat_AV-202112150175.html
And a live from Hamilton "This is getting manipulated man": https://twitter.com/f1newslive_/status/1470307943149195264
AFAIK if race is cancelled, the title goes to Verstappen anyway, as he had more victories, right?
December 15, 2021, 04:51:27 AM
It looks like the first tests have already started for the 2022 season. But it is not with the new cars yet. The drivers are just trying new Pirelli tyres. And according to the schedule I've seen, Hamilton is not in it. Instead, George Russell is testing the new tyres. Lewis Hamilton must be still disappointed about FIA's decisions. And he is still angry at them most probably for not accepting that they didn't abide by the rules in the race. It cost Hamilton his title in the end.
December 15, 2021, 02:34:29 AM
Hamilton is a driver whose talent level is way higher than Verstappen. And I don't think that some other driver will be able to break the records that Hamilton did for a long time period. The only reason why people support Verstappen who is an arrogant driver is that Hamilton has been dominating F1 for a long time and people just want a change.
I do not believe that Lewis Hamilton's talents as a driver far exceed Verstappen's. Let's be objective - they are both bright stars in F1 races. But you are partly right. Hamilton's endless victories in previous years, by the way, of course honestly deserved, are really already a little tired of spectators and racing fans. They certainly want a change.
It was in 2021 that such changes took place.
But in any case, Max's victory is deserved and the whole season he was great, even despite the northern character and arrogance. Which of course upsets some of the fans.
December 14, 2021, 02:48:49 PM
The difference is that there could have been a very well and legal and following the rule book decision based on what we have and still let Max be on soft tires while Hamilton on hard and even give Max a bigger lead to win as well. How? Well, as soon as the safety car is out, let the cars unlap themselves, which would mean that in max of 2 laps all the cars would be on order right? You have Lewis ahead and Max right behind him, full fresh tires versus 40+ lap Hard compounds.
This would have given Max the win anyway, it would be the same result, and it would have been following the rule book, instead of just 4-5 cars allowed to unlap themselves, they just needed to do it a few laps back as soon as safety car was out. Then during 56th lap or so, you tell everyone that SC is going in next lap, just like you have to, and then during 57th start it would be 2 laps of full racing with everyone on order.
This would be allowed, would be correct by the rules and would give Max and Lewis to fight 2 laps and Max would get it anyway. So, "even if" this was whole done to give Max the championship, which I doubt Masi did that for this reason, it would still be better if they followed the rules and still give him a more legal win.
This would have given Max the win anyway, it would be the same result, and it would have been following the rule book, instead of just 4-5 cars allowed to unlap themselves, they just needed to do it a few laps back as soon as safety car was out. Then during 56th lap or so, you tell everyone that SC is going in next lap, just like you have to, and then during 57th start it would be 2 laps of full racing with everyone on order.
This would be allowed, would be correct by the rules and would give Max and Lewis to fight 2 laps and Max would get it anyway. So, "even if" this was whole done to give Max the championship, which I doubt Masi did that for this reason, it would still be better if they followed the rules and still give him a more legal win.
December 14, 2021, 10:35:11 AM
Hamilton is a driver whose talent level is way higher than Verstappen. And I don't think that some other driver will be able to break the records that Hamilton did for a long time period. The only reason why people support Verstappen who is an arrogant driver is that Hamilton has been dominating F1 for a long time and people just want a change.
December 14, 2021, 09:43:50 AM
Mercedes did everything they could to see FIA correcting their mistakes about the last race but nothing has changed at the end of the day. And I think that the champion shouldn't have changed even if FIA found Mercedes rightful about this situation. Verstappen didn't have any role in these mistakes in the end. He just raced under the same conditions as the rest of the drivers. And considering the whole season, I think that Verstappen deserved the title even a little more than Hamilton as he got one more wins until that race. But I still think that they both deserved the title of course even though Verstappen became the winner.
December 14, 2021, 05:44:07 AM
I don't understand Mercedes' desire to challenge Verstappen's victory. Would they be satisfied with the Hamilton championship gained on the field of bureaucracy? In my opinion, this is a loss of face and a big marketing blunder. The whole season was filled with scandals and FIA mistakes (and many fans believe that most of the controversial decisions were made in favor of Hamilton), they must come to terms with this and prepare for the next season.
Well, they feel wronged and they want to do something about it so it is understandable the posture they have about this, however if as fans we were asked about what we prefer: the champion to be decided at the table or do we prefer the champion to be chosen on the last lap of the last race of the season?And without a doubt most fans will choose the latter, besides Hamilton had won so many times in a row that the fans we are getting tired of it, so a new champion and all of this polemic can only benefit the sport as now fans will be excited to see how Hamilton responds to all of this during the next season.
That's what I'm talking about: it was the deliberately losing behavior of the Mercedes team. In both cases, they suffered reputational losses. Now their complaints look like excuses for losers, and if they could become champions on the field of bureaucracy, then just imagine what a storm of hatred they would receive from fans of other teams.
December 14, 2021, 02:08:32 AM
I can understand Hamilton and Mercedes fans would be seriously put out by the decision to let the lapped cars "catch up"
and also Verstappen and Red Bull fans to be delighted by the "correct" decision by the officials.
I can understand that the officials would want a race to the chequered flag rather than a
safety car procession or damp squib finish.
and also Verstappen and Red Bull fans to be delighted by the "correct" decision by the officials.
I can understand that the officials would want a race to the chequered flag rather than a
safety car procession or damp squib finish.
Definitely. As many people mentioned, during the whole season there were some strange decisions made by officials, most in favor of Mercedes. For sure they did not want to finish the race with safety car (by the way I do not understand why they cannot stop counting laps when race is interrupted).
Spa 2021 was a big shame, race recorded just for cash.
December 13, 2021, 06:04:24 PM
Max Verstappen about Lewis Hamilton: 'If I had been in his car, the season would have been decided long ago'
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1851492597/max-verstappen-over-lewis-hamilton-als-ik-in-zijn-auto-had-gezeten-was-seizoen-allang-beslist
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1851492597/max-verstappen-over-lewis-hamilton-als-ik-in-zijn-auto-had-gezeten-was-seizoen-allang-beslist
Max Verstappen really loves to brag.
But he might have a point here. Even like this, Verstappen managed to become the champion. And he ended the season by 10 race wins while Lewis Hamilton was getting stuck at 8 wins. If they changed the cars, Verstappen really would have finished this job earlier than this race I think. I don't want to disrespect Hamilton's great season of course. I just want to state a fact here considering the full statistics of the season.
December 13, 2021, 05:39:32 PM
Did anyone have any bets on either Verstappen or Hamilton to win the title?
This last race of the season has been on every sport bulletin. It sounds like the
race organiser had a very difficult decision to make. I can understand Hamilton and
Mercedes fans would be seriously put out by the decision to let the lapped cars "catch up"
and also Verstappen and Red Bull fans to be delighted by the "correct" decision by the officials.
I can understand that the officials would want a race to the chequered flag rather than a
safety car procession or damp squib finish.
This last race of the season has been on every sport bulletin. It sounds like the
race organiser had a very difficult decision to make. I can understand Hamilton and
Mercedes fans would be seriously put out by the decision to let the lapped cars "catch up"
and also Verstappen and Red Bull fans to be delighted by the "correct" decision by the officials.
I can understand that the officials would want a race to the chequered flag rather than a
safety car procession or damp squib finish.
December 13, 2021, 05:12:48 PM
Max Verstappen about Lewis Hamilton: 'If I had been in his car, the season would have been decided long ago'
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1851492597/max-verstappen-over-lewis-hamilton-als-ik-in-zijn-auto-had-gezeten-was-seizoen-allang-beslist
https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/1851492597/max-verstappen-over-lewis-hamilton-als-ik-in-zijn-auto-had-gezeten-was-seizoen-allang-beslist
Max Verstappen really loves to brag.
But he might have a point here. Even like this, Verstappen managed to become the champion. And he ended the season by 10 race wins while Lewis Hamilton was getting stuck at 8 wins. If they changed the cars, Verstappen really would have finished this job earlier than this race I think. I don't want to disrespect Hamilton's great season of course. I just want to state a fact here considering the full statistics of the season. Jump to: