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I was on the road last weekend, but I've managed to finally watch a rerun of the race.
What a huge difference between RBR and the other cars...
What a complete lack of vision and strategy at Ferrari...

Again, the top team was boring to watch for more than half of the race. I don't like that, never did. Sad

On the other hand... I'm kinda tempted to bet on the next race Grin

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Verstappen is almost 100 points ahead in the standing so it just might a Red Bull championship etched into the trophy already.
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It's just domination by Red Bull says, Sainz

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sainz-red-bull-in-a-league-of-their-own-in-f1-belgian-gp/10359686/

Quote from: dezoel on August 29, 2022, 03:05:30 PM

At one point Max had mediums and was still faster than Charles who was on softs. That should be telling you the difference. I am finally glad that we do not have Mercedes domination, it is always boring to have one team to keep on winning every year, and finish the races 30+ seconds ahead of everyone, that is not good for the sport. But right now, we moved from Mercedes domination to Red Bull domination and this wasn't what I wanted neither.

They just figured out how to win every time. Having a phenomenal driver is one thing and having big funds would always be a factor as well. That's just how F1 works, really.

Quote from: dezoel on August 29, 2022, 03:05:30 PM

I just want a period where 4-5 teams and 6-7 different drivers at least have wins, and 3 drivers are racing for a title very close to each other all from different teams, number 1 drivers of 3 different teams. Is that so much to ask, will we ever see that?

That's just how it's going to be when you are dominating. I think it's not a problem at all that there is domination. Look at other sports, there are always going to be teams that are going to be in favor to always win in matchups. It's always going to be like that. If you have found a formula to winning, don't you think it's going to be hammered continuously to win? That's the goal of every team.

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At one point Max had mediums and was still faster than Charles who was on softs. That should be telling you the difference. I am finally glad that we do not have Mercedes domination, it is always boring to have one team to keep on winning every year, and finish the races 30+ seconds ahead of everyone, that is not good for the sport. But right now, we moved from Mercedes domination to Red Bull domination and this wasn't what I wanted neither.

I just want a period where 4-5 teams and 6-7 different drivers at least have wins, and 3 drivers are racing for a title very close to each other all from different teams, number 1 drivers of 3 different teams. Is that so much to ask, will we ever see that?

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on August 28, 2022, 10:45:06 AM

I assume that this podium is the summary of this race.

Red Bull were dominant during the whole race and the result wasn't surprising at all after that. Verstappen gained many positions at the beginning of the race already. But even if he didn't his pace was so high that he would still win the race. It looks like I was unnecessarily positive about Sainz to win this. Cheesy

I just didn't expect Ferraris to stay this much slow. Leclerc had some problems in this race also which didn't surprise me even a bit. Sainz was the only hope but he was even struggling to stay ahead of Russell in the last moments. What a horrible race for Ferrari!

Perhaps this is the most depressing race for all the competitors of Red Bull. Verstappen started in 14th place and won by such a huge margin. It seems that at this point the season can be considered completed. The competitors have had enough time to improve their level but it seems that Red Bull has stepped up and the rest have not been able to achieve anything. Now, even if competitors make some improvements, it is impossible to win back such an advantage (in terms of points and technical superiority).

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on August 28, 2022, 10:45:06 AM

It looks like I was unnecessarily positive about Sainz to win this. Cheesy

I just didn't expect Ferraris to stay this much slow. Leclerc had some problems in this race also which didn't surprise me even a bit. Sainz was the only hope but he was even struggling to stay ahead of Russell in the last moments. What a horrible race for Ferrari!

I actually almost wanted to leave either Sainz or Hamilton out, in the end kept them both in but redeemed myself with backing Verstappen against my gut. Thought it was over actually when he started in 14th but RB just seem to have found the formula to F1 this season and aren't letting go. Think it's time to give up on Ferrari really.

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I assume that this podium is the summary of this race.

Red Bull were dominant during the whole race and the result wasn't surprising at all after that. Verstappen gained many positions at the beginning of the race already. But even if he didn't his pace was so high that he would still win the race. It looks like I was unnecessarily positive about Sainz to win this. Cheesy

I just didn't expect Ferraris to stay this much slow. Leclerc had some problems in this race also which didn't surprise me even a bit. Sainz was the only hope but he was even struggling to stay ahead of Russell in the last moments. What a horrible race for Ferrari!

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Jesus alot of action within the first lap in Spa! What a start of a race.
Lewis went airborne and damaged the underneath of his car and is out.
Bottas got tapped by Latifi and got stuck in the gravel spinning his tires and determined to be out.

Can't see who will finish this race to win it having all that has happened within the first lap.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on August 27, 2022, 12:38:30 PM

Therefore, we have quotes that are very different from quotes in previous races, but at the same time, Verstappen, starting from 14th place, is still a favorite even in relation to Sainz, who will start first. It seems absurd to me, despite the fact that Verstappen won the qualification by a wide margin from everyone else.

Checking the gap between Sainz and Verstappen is quite close but still big in terms of F1 races. A 0.632 gap form him is large. Imagine being to be consistent on those laps. Verstappen can really manage to get back in the top spots in no time. The recent race even him starting in 10th position and still winning is quite a feat as well.

Check this out, Russel says that Verstappen can win this sunday.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/russell-verstappen-comfortably-win-belgian-gp-15th/10359109/

Quote from: emrecemsan on August 27, 2022, 03:24:58 PM

So I think Sainz's 3.10 odd is tempting to place a bet. Maybe even Hamilton could be given a chance at 13.00 but it seems really hard for him. Mercedes drivers weren't too impressive in qualifying session. However technically Hamilton is more advantageous than even Verstappen for now as he is starting at upper positions. Grin

The odds are really attractive on this one. It's just that Mercedes are having a hard time figuring out the problem. Imagine them being 7th and 8th fastest on the qualifying and made it to the front just because of the penalties, it's quite unsettling though. +1.838 seconds is a really big gap.

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Still with the way the qualifications turned out I am going with Max Verstappen to get the in win.
He will just have to pull a Hamilton in tomorrow's race starting out 14 places from the front.
It should make for a thrilling one with all shuffling of spots during the race.

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Some of these odds are really unfair to me. Because Verstappen has a really difficult job actually as he is starting from way back of the grid. But he is the most favoured driver to win the Belgian GP. I would rather seeing Sainz in his place as he is the most likely driver to win the race in normal conditions. Verstappen can reach podium in fact but it is hard to wait for more than that. He might need even safety cars to make it to top somehow. And he might need Ferrari's help by making bad decisions also. Grin

So I think Sainz's 3.10 odd is tempting to place a bet. Maybe even Hamilton could be given a chance at 13.00 but it seems really hard for him. Mercedes drivers weren't too impressive in qualifying session. However technically Hamilton is more advantageous than even Verstappen for now as he is starting at upper positions. Grin

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With Alonso being on 3rd place , I'm sure we will have one hell of a start as he won't back down to take the lead in turn 1 as long as he had a great start.

For Max and Lec this race can count a lot if somehow Max won't finish the race but for me I think one of the McLaren cars won't finish the race and the odds are pretty attractive for this :

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Due to penalties, the starting grid will not match the qualifying results:

Verstappen, Max 2.80

Sainz Jr., Carlos 3.05

Perez, Sergio 3.95

Leclerc, Charles 12.00

Hamilton, Lewis 12.20

Russell, George 17.90

Therefore, we have quotes that are very different from quotes in previous races, but at the same time, Verstappen, starting from 14th place, is still a favorite even in relation to Sainz, who will start first. It seems absurd to me, despite the fact that Verstappen won the qualification by a wide margin from everyone else.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 25, 2022, 04:14:31 PM

This is history. Imagining what would have been happening if this or that would have been different is counterproductive.

I'm just imagining what he could've been but that's history and it's best to look forward now.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 25, 2022, 04:14:31 PM

The new car (for the 2022 new rules) did behave much worse (compared to the rest) than the previous (2021) generation, so that's correct.
It was also bad luck for Ricci because (from my understanding) each car behaves different, has different balance and so on; Ricci had to adapt to the new McLaren when he left Renault, then he had to adapt again to the completely new McLaren in 2022. He didn't.

I remember that he had a hard time on Renault as well and it just hasn't been well since then. It's probably adjustment after adjustment. I know that there are certain rules always getting updated by the FIA which makes it harder for drivers as well.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 25, 2022, 04:14:31 PM

Haas and Williams are just not competitive enough. Alfa Romeo has an experienced driver and one that brings big bucks, I don't think that anything will change there. Alpine is in turmoil and since I expect Ricci is disappointed and may not be searching too hard, they could both intersect for a "let's give each other another chance".

It's still all about the money that you can throw at the design and other essential parts in the car. They are still not there yet. I guess Ricciardo can just wait for a great opportunity. He still hasn't decided upon checking recent news.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/ricciardo-f1-sabbatical-possible-no-interest-in-other-series/

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Quote from: crwth on August 24, 2022, 07:14:26 PM

If he could've stayed in Red Bull before

This is history. Imagining what would have been happening if this or that would have been different is counterproductive.

Quote from: crwth on August 24, 2022, 07:14:26 PM

but Mclaren said that they share the responsibility of Ricciardo not having performed well

The new car (for the 2022 new rules) did behave much worse (compared to the rest) than the previous (2021) generation, so that's correct.
It was also bad luck for Ricci because (from my understanding) each car behaves different, has different balance and so on; Ricci had to adapt to the new McLaren when he left Renault, then he had to adapt again to the completely new McLaren in 2022. He didn't.

Quote from: crwth on August 24, 2022, 07:14:26 PM

It could be these teams: Alpine, Alfa Romeo, Haas, or Williams.

Haas and Williams are just not competitive enough. Alfa Romeo has an experienced driver and one that brings big bucks, I don't think that anything will change there. Alpine is in turmoil and since I expect Ricci is disappointed and may not be searching too hard, they could both intersect for a "let's give each other another chance".

Quote from: barbara44 on August 24, 2022, 05:40:32 PM

Hamilton literally took off

He is still adjusting with the new car. Quite funny to think, but it looks like Russel has adjusted better.
It depends on how many failures will Ferrari still have, but Mercedes are actively hunting for the second place. It looks achievable now.

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Ricciardo hasn't really done well with the season. Check this out from F1

If he could've stayed in Red Bull before and just accepted that he is #2 from Max, he could've had a better season on the previous years since he would have a better car. I don't know but Mclaren said that they share the responsibility of Ricciardo not having performed well. ^[1]

Quote from: NeuroticFish on August 24, 2022, 03:04:00 PM

Quite shame, I hoped Ricci will do better sooner or later.. and it didn't happen. Let's see what will happen next, will he go back to Renault/Alpine?

It is quite a shame. It's a matter of time if some team would get him or something. He is a good driver but with the current season, does it look like they are going to sign him? It could be these teams: Alpine, Alfa Romeo, Haas, or Williams. Since they haven't announced their future drivers yet. ^[2]

Quote from: barbara44 on August 24, 2022, 05:40:32 PM

Hamilton literally took off and started from the last and beat everyone and then made like 10+ seconds difference on that, I do not remember a dominance like that since early days of Mercedes new engine thing 6-7 years ago. All in all, if they fixed it, we could see something like that again.

A lot has changed with the other teams and Mercedes had a sloppy start this season. Maybe the reset could've given them a new start? Check this out by Wolff.^[3] They are out for it to win so it could really mean that they have probably discovered what to do this half. I know Hamilton has a very hands-on approach when it comes to reviewing the previous races this year and still wants that 8th championship if he can.

References:

[1] - https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-shares-responsibility-ricciardo-struggles/10357253/
[2] - https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-unsure-of-f1-future-post-mclaren-exit/10357268/
[3] - https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.were-getting-closer-says-wolff-as-mercedes-target-wins-in-the-second-half-of.7nbJwjfU1tc4aIXFro1EkK.html

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Really missed F1 already. This is going to be pretty nice for Mercedes as well. Everyone is expecting Ferrari to have a better comeback but I feel like they would still make some mistakes eventually, whereas I can see Mercedes getting better and if they really fixed their bouncing issue then there isn't really any team that can stay ahead of them. Remember Brazil last year?

Hamilton literally took off and started from the last and beat everyone and then made like 10+ seconds difference on that, I do not remember a dominance like that since early days of Mercedes new engine thing 6-7 years ago. All in all, if they fixed it, we could see something like that again.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on August 24, 2022, 04:55:43 PM

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It's not a new thing.

Hiring former champions or good drivers doesn't mean you're gonna get the same result or even better. We already have a few example on the grid, so don't expect to much you're getting a good result from champion driver.

Most of the time, after a few season bad performance they're gonna to take retired.

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Its really sad, yes, but we have to say the truth also, the pace of Dani Ricciardo this year was pure shit, i really cant undestand why he cant go back to his peak, i know the car doesnt fit well for him, its okay, but its seem a little more thing its passing.

The main problem if he stay in F1 its he can be in a worst car, so cant compete.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on August 24, 2022, 04:33:03 PM

After Piastri story with Alpine, this message was only matter of time.

Well, he had the contract on his side and could have been keep an overly strong fight for his seat. But I guess that he has proven, yet again, that he's a nice person.

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 24, 2022, 04:33:03 PM

It's indeed sad that Danny didn't done well on Mclaren. And in general, how his career went down after Red Bull.

So true.

Quote from: LTU_btc on August 24, 2022, 04:33:03 PM

I think it's very likely that we won't see him in F1 next year.

If this happens I fear we won't see him in F1 ever again... on the other hand with his bad year and current situation, the morale is probably also very low and may not even care to start looking. That's why I also think that Alpine is one of this very few chances.

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