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Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 21, 2022, 02:13:10 PM

However I also think McLaren will be returning much stronger than this next season. They must have been working on the upgrades of next season these days as this season has finished for them already. They can only try to leave Alpine behind at least but even this will be hard for them. Ocon - Alonso duo is more reliable than Norris - Ricciardo now. For next season I'm hopeful about Piastri too. If he makes a solid duo with Norris they can collect many more points as a team.

Somehow everybody seems to expect miracles from Piastri. Even Horner is talking about him, although I think that Checo has done a more than decent job there and even the slightest thought on replacing him would be unfair (and probably a mistake).
McLaren cars were problematic this year. Actually all Mercedes cars had a weak start of the year. Even Norris did bad. Ricci just couldn't adapt to the car, I don't know, but he was not the main problem there.
Luckily the Mercs seem to recover good and there's a good chance next year will be better. But if McLaren or Mercedes make another mistake in the setup and the next year will be bad again, even Piastri won't be able to make miracles.

Don't misunderstand me, I would love to see real competition. But it's, by far, not only about the drivers there.

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The next stage in early October will be in Singapore.

To be honest, I don't really like the races that are held in urban areas. I think that racing in large spaces looks much cooler. There are more speeds and a feeling of freedom from high-speed driving to a much greater extent than racing on city tracks.
By the way, if we talk about the track in Marina Bay, neither Verstappen nor Red Bull have ever won on it in its history. I wonder if Max's winning streak will be interrupted? Moreover, he has been on the podium as a winner for 5 stages in a row???
By the way, the speed record on this track belongs to Leclerc

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 22, 2022, 05:25:06 PM

If you are talking about that the races should be added into the calendar like every week or so then I don't think that's a good idea.

Because this will increase the load of teams too much. They won't have much time to gather themselves up and focus on next race week because they will have a very tight schedule. Only the summer break still wouldn't be enough for them to adapt to this tempo. We all would like to see races every week to be honest but it would be really selfish to ask for this from teams. I think the current formula is much better for spectators as well. Because we are enjoying the season for many months and it leaves good memories in our minds. Otherwise the season would end so quick that there wouldn't be even much time to assess the races.

I really understand that point of view. Personally (probably I am wrong) I compare that situation to other sports, like cycling. Then, for example, you have spring full of one-day races. Eveyrbody knows about the 3 big Tours (Italy, France, Spain), but there are others, many many races. And in fact cyclists very often do not train (a lot) in the meantime - winter is a period for preparations, then having many races only give time for rest - and next weekend there is another race. But it is tru that comparison like that is wrong - many cyclist prepare themself for one specific period in year and it would be strange to hear from F1 team "we focus on races in Asia".

My statement was because it is getting cold, autumn is coming and for me it is somehoe the end of season. October, November - I cannot focus on that. Races on 20th of November - in my personal opinion it is very very late.

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Quote from: PawGo on September 22, 2022, 12:39:46 PM

Do not you think the season is too long? One may say it is only 9 months, but I think November is too much. It is almost as long as WRC (end of Jan - middle of Nov), where part of difficulty is to drive during very different weather and on different kinds of surface. In F1 the end we have all the same tracks, sometimes night race, sometimes rain. I would like to see the season more “condensed”.

If you are talking about that the races should be added into the calendar like every week or so then I don't think that's a good idea.

Because this will increase the load of teams too much. They won't have much time to gather themselves up and focus on next race week because they will have a very tight schedule. Only the summer break still wouldn't be enough for them to adapt to this tempo. We all would like to see races every week to be honest but it would be really selfish to ask for this from teams. I think the current formula is much better for spectators as well. Because we are enjoying the season for many months and it leaves good memories in our minds. Otherwise the season would end so quick that there wouldn't be even much time to assess the races.

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Quote from: PawGo on September 22, 2022, 12:39:46 PM

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Nope, we need race weeks ~XD

It's over one week without a race and already missed them, based on the statistical comparison between F1 & MotoGP. We have more viewer rather than MotoGP, IMO 22 race every season is not really long.

If we have less race, then a chance can make a comeback fight for some driver is really hard. A team/driver who can gain more points by winning streak is getting advatange.

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Do not you think the season is too long? One may say it is only 9 months, but I think November is too much. It is almost as long as WRC (end of Jan - middle of Nov), where part of difficulty is to drive during very different weather and on different kinds of surface. In F1 the end we have all the same tracks, sometimes night race, sometimes rain. I would like to see the season more “condensed”.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on September 21, 2022, 09:57:02 AM

I really hope for 2023 one more team to catch the 3 top teams of the last ten years.

I hope McLaren can be one of those and come back to be a good F1 team like his history say.

I know its really difficult and all the year we see they are aproaching but never finally catch the train.

The other teams..... Alpine i dont know how having a big one company behind (renault) cant make improvements. Aston Martin i dont want to waste words on this one.

McLaren have been one of the most disappointing teams so far. I would have expected them to benefit from Mercedes' problematic times but it turned out that they were also in trouble. They couldn't develop their car enough and they became even less competitive compared to the previous season. Ricciardo's performance has been making things even worse for them. They are still behind Alpine in the standings now.

However I also think McLaren will be returning much stronger than this next season. They must have been working on the upgrades of next season these days as this season has finished for them already. They can only try to leave Alpine behind at least but even this will be hard for them. Ocon - Alonso duo is more reliable than Norris - Ricciardo now. For next season I'm hopeful about Piastri too. If he makes a solid duo with Norris they can collect many more points as a team.

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Anyone who knows about formula would know that these long breaks would mean that anything could happen next race. Teams probably already stopped caring about this year and started their research on next year's car because it's obvious where who will finish, but there are a few teams trying to gain some positions in the middle pack and I am guessing something shocking could happen there, if everyone is looking at next year's car and someone makes a good improvement on this year's car, the difference will show itself.

I guess Mclaren could be that team, they got amazing sponsorships and money this year and failed to provide, that's why I am not sure if they will look at next year yet.

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Quote from: delfastTions on September 21, 2022, 02:09:52 AM

The FIA World Motorsport Council has approved the calendar for the 2023 season, which for the first time in history includes 24 stages.
The season starts on March 5 in Bahrain and finishes on November 26 in Abu Dhabi. The race in Qatar has been postponed to a later date due to work in Losail at the beginning of the year.

I also noticed that now there are more stages of the race because there are 22 of them in the current season of 2022. This clearly indicates that the popularity of such a sport as F1 racing is growing. And this cannot but please all the fans of these competitions. F2 is about speed and technical development and the skill of the riders, their experience and driving skills. And after all, it is important that the races travel to different countries and continents. And all the numerous teams are fans travel too. All this cannot but be interesting and exciting.

By the way, if we talk about technical improvements, then this season the Red Bull team guessed to shift the center of aerodynamic downforce to the rear wheels closer to the rear wing of the car by changing the configuration of the bottom. And immediately there was a gain in speed.
Well done Red Bull engineers!

I think it is very good news for F1 fans to know that F1 is growing in popularity at a rapid pace. Taking into account the decision made by the Motorsport Council, we can conclude that F1 has grown a great deal over the past few years. It is much more exciting for me to see more stages because there will be more racing action, which translates into more excitement for me. But also this means that the race has more room for errors as they will have more and to fix their mistakes.

However, it is also worth mentioning that the engineers at RedBull have done a fantastic job of improving the speed of their cars, which is a huge achievement.

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I really hope for 2023 one more team to catch the 3 top teams of the last ten years.

I hope McLaren can be one of those and come back to be a good F1 team like his history say.

I know its really difficult and all the year we see they are aproaching but never finally catch the train.

The other teams..... Alpine i dont know how having a big one company behind (renault) cant make improvements. Aston Martin i dont want to waste words on this one.

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Quote from: PawGo on September 21, 2022, 03:05:59 AM

Very soon we will know how it works - in 2023 they will return to Le Mans with their hybrids (after leaving Formula E).

Nice!

Quote from: PawGo on September 21, 2022, 03:05:59 AM

By the way - isn't it all about money? Porsche wants to play a little game with their shares on market and they hope they will follow Ferrari.

It's always about money, in a way or another.
* F1 is advertising/visibility and a brand like Porsche kinda must be there
* F1 means they can do a lot of innovation / development that subsidized by FIA

I don't know how this affects the IPO though.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 14, 2022, 05:26:07 AM

I think that's more than power units there, it may be full brand, like Alpine/Renault is, handling both chassis and power unit.
What I find very interesting is the double branding / competition between sister companies: around 2026 also Porsche will come into F1 (taking over RBR?), but... both Porsche and Audi are sisters under Volkswagen Group Cheesy

Very soon we will know how it works - in 2023 they will return to Le Mans with their hybrids (after leaving Formula E).

By the way - isn't it all about money? Porsche wants to play a little game with their shares on market and they hope they will follow Ferrari.
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Stefano Domenicali has announced that the Monaco GP is going to be with us until 2025 after a new agreement.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula-1-to-race-in-monaco-until-2025-under-new-deal.4m3hzqmy3y2Inyu5csQdAK.html

Honestly the Monaco GP is the most boring race in the calendar in my opinion. Because it is very difficult to overtake any car on this track. Just because of that teams are caring about qualifying session even more than the race. Pit strategies are another thing they must care about the most. If you remember Ferrari made a huge mistake about their pit call and Leclerc's race turned to a nightmare for him.

Even though the calendar of next season has been determined we might still see some changes after it starts. I'd love to see some long-awaited tracks also back in the calendar instead of watching multiple races in the same country.

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The FIA World Motorsport Council has approved the calendar for the 2023 season, which for the first time in history includes 24 stages.

The season starts on March 5 in Bahrain and finishes on November 26 in Abu Dhabi. The race in Qatar has been postponed to a later date due to work in Losail at the beginning of the year.

I also noticed that now there are more stages of the race because there are 22 of them in the current season of 2022. This clearly indicates that the popularity of such a sport as F1 racing is growing. And this cannot but please all the fans of these competitions. F2 is about speed and technical development and the skill of the riders, their experience and driving skills. And after all, it is important that the races travel to different countries and continents. And all the numerous teams are fans travel too. All this cannot but be interesting and exciting.

By the way, if we talk about technical improvements, then this season the Red Bull team guessed to shift the center of aerodynamic downforce to the rear wheels closer to the rear wing of the car by changing the configuration of the bottom. And immediately there was a gain in speed.
Well done Red Bull engineers!

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Quote from: darxiaomi on September 20, 2022, 03:27:32 PM

Another week without F1 and also for me without football clubs.

Same feels. Sad

Quote from: darxiaomi on September 20, 2022, 03:27:32 PM

I have a question for all of you, after this little break and with the majority of position settled, if you are a team principal what you do? You start to prove 2023 piece or you keep upgrading the 2022 car?

I'm not an expert on here but if I were to be a team principal, I would focus on 2023 now because that's where I could make the most impact instead of this year, 2022 since it's not gonna make any dent or significant changes for sure. I would make sure that I could carry over the progress that I have for 2022 to 2023.

Quote from: darxiaomi on September 20, 2022, 03:27:32 PM

Because i think we can see some upgrades thinking more in 2023 than the 2022 car in the next races, RB can try a lot of things with the gap their have against the other teams.

Red Bull has a lot of freedom in terms of experimenting and if they keep on winning, that means they are doing the right things. Shocked

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Another week without F1 and also for me without football clubs.

I have a question for all of you, after this little break and with the majority of position settled, if you are a team principal what you do? You start to prove 2023 piece or you keep upgrading the 2022 car?

Because i think we can see some upgrades thinking more in 2023 than the 2022 car in the next races, RB can try a lot of things with the gap their have against the other teams.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on September 14, 2022, 02:10:18 PM

I also think that the media is trying to cause a sensation, that's all. Because there is no meaning in stating your retirement clearly first and deciding to do the opposite in a short time. I wonder what Alpine could offer him to convince him. Being the main driver of the team? Or maybe a big improvement in the power level of their car? Alpine are targeting to become one of the most powerful teams in time for sure. But it is very difficult for them to do this next season that's for sure.

Imagine if Vettel suddenly returns in a mid-tier car at best, and dominates the whole scene just because he's Sebastian Vettel. Would surely be a lovely anime arc that everyone will follow, but will eventually get boring if the car is shit and doesn't do much in reality Cheesy

Alpine surely needs to create a car that can compete against the Mercs or the Ferraris if they want to get a taste of that championship. If they can fish Vettel out of retirement, they should really deliver in terms of car performance and reliability, else they'd just stain the legacy of a guy that kept on winning in his prime.

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If porpoising problem starts for Ferrari again then it would be a nightmare for them. They are already having a problematic season due to external factors and individual mistakes. If they have porpoising again in the Singapore Grand Prix I don't know how many drivers would be more advantageous than Leclerc - Sainz duo directly. Mercedes have already been able to fight at the same level with Ferrari recently. This would make things even easier for Mercedes drivers.

There is only a gap of 35 points between Ferrari and Mercedes now. This can be easily closed by Mercedes considering the latest condition of these teams. Ferrari must drop their mistakes to minimum from now on to be in profit as much as possible. They were good at it in Monza. It's obvious they won't catch up with Red Bull but at least they can fight for keeping the 2nd spot.

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 18, 2022, 03:30:10 PM

Porpoising problem is back, really?

I thought that all teams have solved this problem already and we wouldn't see it anymore.

Wasn't Ferrari basically the first ones solving the porpoising problem?
But, from my understanding, their fix is not OK according to the (new) rules, and since Mercedes has filled a complaint, now the cars have special sensors to verify exactly the porpoising, and the data goes to FIA.
So Ferrari has probably changed the floor of their cars and now they're more prone to porpoising than months ago.
(Again, this is how I've understood the situation and, in case I am wrong, I am happy to be corrected if somebody has more/better info).

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 17, 2022, 03:11:21 PM

IDK if a risky bet IMHO.

Sainz released an interview today or yesterday saying "I'm scared of the coming back of purposing at Singapore".

If Ferrari will really has if then they will have no chance of winning since they will need to increase the height of the car. (and slowing it)

Porpoising problem is back, really?

I thought that all teams have solved this problem already and we wouldn't see it anymore. If Ferrari really have to make a negative change in the height of their car then Leclerc and Sainz both are likely to have even a worse race than the previous one. Verstappen is already way faster than them and this will just make things easier for him. This is really a nightmare season for Ferrari and they must be begging for it to end as quick as possible. They will need to work on their car even more to have a cleaner season next time. It is the same when it comes to the people in their crew also to drop the individual mistakes to minimum.

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