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Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 10, 2022, 04:36:26 PM

This isn't to say that Hamilton is at 100%, he is definitely not anymore, he is losing his edge and I think he will retire in a year or two, because he wouldn't want to be on a bad team like Vettel or Alonso did, hence he wouldn't just move back to Williams and enjoy, he will straight up retire.

If he would like to quit "properly", he should quit in 1-2 years, leaving Mercedes. It will be very tempting to race "one more last season" but then the most probably it would be much weaker team and he would regularly finish in the second half. I do not think Red Bull or Ferrari would take him, so he will end in any other team, like in happened to Kimi. But going to Williams... would be funny.

I think Lewis will be here for the next 3-4 years. Why ? Simply because he won't let Alonso compete longer than him. It's his main rival and he always will be not Vettel or Rosberg or Max. Will he go to weaker car ? I doubt it but I do see him trying to make a comeback for McLaren or if Toto leaves for Aston Martin , I could see him go there as well. We are heading towards exciting years of racing in F1 when teams and drivers are chancing pilots or engine suppliers very quick.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on August 10, 2022, 04:36:26 PM

This isn't to say that Hamilton is at 100%, he is definitely not anymore, he is losing his edge and I think he will retire in a year or two, because he wouldn't want to be on a bad team like Vettel or Alonso did, hence he wouldn't just move back to Williams and enjoy, he will straight up retire.

If he would like to quit "properly", he should quit in 1-2 years, leaving Mercedes. It will be very tempting to race "one more last season" but then the most probably it would be much weaker team and he would regularly finish in the second half. I do not think Red Bull or Ferrari would take him, so he will end in any other team, like in happened to Kimi. But going to Williams... would be funny.

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Quote from: rdbase on August 10, 2022, 07:35:35 AM

Quote from: delfastTions on August 10, 2022, 12:17:00 AM

It should be noted that Vettel is 35 years old. This is the age when most riders begin an irreversible process of slowing down reactions, like all people in general. Worthy to perform in the race becomes difficult, if not impossible.
Therefore, I always treat with understanding and a little sadness when great racers leave in the past. If I'm not mistaken, Vettel was the champion in 2011-12, 13? but 10 years have already passed.

Hamilton is 37 years old and it is showing this season for certain.
Especially a few races ago when he complained of his back giving him problems with the constant bouncing of the car on the track.
You can see this when he was trying to get out of his cockpit right after the race and he was holding his back.
I think I remember some drivers well into their 40's still driving but probably not at a professional level such as F1.

Even though I agree that he is aging a lot, I also would like to say that his back was hurt because of bouncing of the car, if you gave that to Max, he would had back problems as well. I mean Mercedes car bounces like a toy, it's unrealistic to expect them to be fully healthy with no pain after so many bounces, the body can take only so much.

This isn't to say that Hamilton is at 100%, he is definitely not anymore, he is losing his edge and I think he will retire in a year or two, because he wouldn't want to be on a bad team like Vettel or Alonso did, hence he wouldn't just move back to Williams and enjoy, he will straight up retire.

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Quote from: delfastTions on August 10, 2022, 12:17:00 AM

Quote from: boltz on August 09, 2022, 05:58:08 AM

Vettel doesn't seems that type of guy who would make a comeback just to make the headlines all over the news but I do see him as the future boss of F1 or someone important who will guide the next generation of F1 drivers to a new era with more fair rules that we seen right now. At least , this is how I see Vettel in the next years as the statement kinda made it clear that he really wants to spend time with his family but also stay involve in F1 without driving so he gave us an insight right there. Rumors also said that he will be placed on a top position on F1 board in the coming years.

It should be noted that Vettel is 35 years old. This is the age when most riders begin an irreversible process of slowing down reactions, like all people in general. Worthy to perform in the race becomes difficult, if not impossible.
Therefore, I always treat with understanding and a little sadness when great racers leave in the past. If I'm not mistaken, Vettel was the champion in 2011-12, 13? but 10 years have already passed.

Hamilton is 37 years old and it is showing this season for certain.
Especially a few races ago when he complained of his back giving him problems with the constant bouncing of the car on the track.
You can see this when he was trying to get out of his cockpit right after the race and he was holding his back.
I think I remember some drivers well into their 40's still driving but probably not at a professional level such as F1.

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Quote from: delfastTions on August 10, 2022, 12:17:00 AM

It should be noted that Vettel is 35 years old. This is the age when most riders begin an irreversible process of slowing down reactions, like all people in general. Worthy to perform in the race becomes difficult, if not impossible.
Therefore, I always treat with understanding and a little sadness when great racers leave in the past. If I'm not mistaken, Vettel was the champion in 2011-12, 13? but 10 years have already passed.

You cannot fight with aging. That's why it was really interesting what happened to Robert Kubica, who came back to F1 after his accident. Williams took a driver in his thirties, his dream came true, but there were no good results (yes, Williams car was far from ideal). Now he is in Alfa Romeo as a 3rd driver, but as driving is his way of life, he is involved in other racing series too. By the way, in 2018 Kubica's manager was Rosberg, who found a new way of life after retirement form F1.
What is important is tendency to risk or need for adrenaline. Belgian former cyclist, World Champion from 2005, Tom Boonen finished his career in 2017, at the same year he passed tests for racing license and started to race, initially in VW Fun Cup (if you do not know it, google it! really enjoying!). And he had a really serious dangerous crash in 2019.

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Quote from: boltz on August 09, 2022, 05:58:08 AM

Vettel doesn't seems that type of guy who would make a comeback just to make the headlines all over the news but I do see him as the future boss of F1 or someone important who will guide the next generation of F1 drivers to a new era with more fair rules that we seen right now. At least , this is how I see Vettel in the next years as the statement kinda made it clear that he really wants to spend time with his family but also stay involve in F1 without driving so he gave us an insight right there. Rumors also said that he will be placed on a top position on F1 board in the coming years.

It should be noted that Vettel is 35 years old. This is the age when most riders begin an irreversible process of slowing down reactions, like all people in general. Worthy to perform in the race becomes difficult, if not impossible.
Therefore, I always treat with understanding and a little sadness when great racers leave in the past. If I'm not mistaken, Vettel was the champion in 2011-12, 13? but 10 years have already passed.

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Vettel doesn't seems that type of guy who would make a comeback just to make the headlines all over the news but I do see him as the future boss of F1 or someone important who will guide the next generation of F1 drivers to a new era with more fair rules that we seen right now. At least , this is how I see Vettel in the next years as the statement kinda made it clear that he really wants to spend time with his family but also stay involve in F1 without driving so he gave us an insight right there. Rumors also said that he will be placed on a top position on F1 board in the coming years.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on August 08, 2022, 02:39:01 PM

I read so many times in footbal players for example, when they comes to retirement, they enjoy the family life but only for a year or maybe two, but they are so used to the sport life and they keep steaking to a kind of life that no longer exist, so a lot of them comes back from retirement or they come DT, reporter, journalist, etc.

You are right, there are many examples of former sportsmen who did "come back", usually it was a bad decision. Ali, Jordan, etc. No man ever steps in the same river twice.
Nico Rosberg found his way, I really appreciate he found there are other professions that just a car driver.

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I read so many times in footbal players for example, when they comes to retirement, they enjoy the family life but only for a year or maybe two, but they are so used to the sport life and they keep steaking to a kind of life that no longer exist, so a lot of them comes back from retirement or they come DT, reporter, journalist, etc.

I think this its the same, he clearly come back to sports in the future.

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Finally I have watched Vettel's 4 min-long farewell video, could be seen on his instagram and page https://sebastianvettel.de/en/start/
Nice one, but it fact it is 4 minutes about nothing - typical statement "I want to spend more time with my family". Let's see what he will do next. Finally, sooner or later almost everyone goes to Dakar race.

I remember I was on F1 Spa race in 2019, the race was won by Leclerc - it was his first win! Before the race I bought a red Ferrari/Vettel t-shirt, for some time I was not sure which one to buy, Vettel or Leclerc. If I had known Leclerc win, it would have chosen his t-shirt, but Vettel's one just looked better ;-)

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I agreed with this guy, i really dont know why the people think the fired up of Ricciardo was unnecesary, but man, in this two year he was a really bad driver in term of results, the only thing he do was that Win in italy with more luck than skill. After that he never was the driver we know, i hope he leaves mclaren and i want to see him in another team to see if with another car he can be the real Daniel who all know and love. The late braker Daniel.

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Quote from: rdbase on August 06, 2022, 07:57:41 AM

Yes, hearing that a driver who was to replace another on a team yet they had a deal already with yet another is quite the mess up in the F1.
Because I can't see Ricciardo racing with any passion for the team for the rest of the season and probably just end up coasting for the remainder.

It does not have either team look good any way you look at it.

Not like he was winning a bunch of races for them before this neither, he was terrible before this news and this is basically the main reason why he is getting fired basically, he didn't delivered any good results for the past 2 years and he didn't provided anything that was expected of him.

I am not shocked about him getting fired but I think it could be a better deal for the team for the rest of the season. Why? He would want other teams to see him as a good racer, and for that to happen he needs to get good results, if he gets good results then he could find himself a team, and if he doesn't get any good results and races like this, best he could do would be like Aston martin or maybe haas if Mick goes somewhere else.

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I have even heard a rumour about this situation like McLaren already have made their decision about Ricciardo right after the Hungarian GP. And after that he is said to have contacted Alpine for a possible deal for the next season. I think Ricciardo's performance has gone down a lot recently. This must be the main reason why the team are willing to send him from the team these days. Piastri has been a very successful driver so far but it is hard to tell now if he would be at least as successful as Norris at McLaren.

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Yes, hearing that a driver who was to replace another on a team yet they had a deal already with yet another is quite the mess up in the F1.
Because I can't see Ricciardo racing with any passion for the team for the rest of the season and probably just end up coasting for the remainder.

It does not have either team look good any way you look at it.

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Quote from: rdbase on August 05, 2022, 05:52:51 AM

It does seem there will be alot of movement during the off-season this year after what has been circulating around the media lately.

Some news that I have seen regarding 2023 is a lot. Maybe some of you are interested to see it as well.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-end-ricciardo-deal-piastri-2023/10349014/
https://racingnews365.com/revealed-piastri-to-replace-ricciardo-at-mclaren-in-2023
https://twitter.com/alex_albon/status/1554829547006111749

It's definitely a lot of movement and probably not done yet.

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It does seem there will be alot of movement during the off-season this year after what has been circulating around the media lately.
And with the season not even quite done yet, this might cause some friction within the team's ranks I would imagine.
Ah well, it makes for an endless stream of material for the next season of Drive to Survive.
That's a certainty.

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Quote from: sportsbet.io on August 03, 2022, 08:35:51 AM

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I was away in the last few days and I was pretty much surprised nobody is talking about the drama from the drivers' "market".
Thank you for clarifying how we stand Grin

Do you have a double car for Ocon too? Cheesy

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Quote from: Boristhecat on August 02, 2022, 10:51:29 AM

Quote from: rdbase on August 02, 2022, 06:52:07 AM

Yeah it is half way thru the season and they are break for the rest of the summer that is left until end of August.
Three week hiatus seems like a very long time to wait until the next race. But Red bull are going into comfortably infront of the rest of the pack.
Ferrari as Leclerc has said have been making questionable calls when it comes to his car.
Tyre changes cost him this race and everybody can see that.

Due to the start of the football season, this break will pass very quickly (at least for me). I even missed the last race completely because I was distracted by football. As for the results, I can say that they are very sad, since the intrigue dies very quickly and it is no longer clear what should happen to revive it. Ferrari surprises - sometimes technical problems, sometimes miscalculations of the team, sometimes just a unluck, but something negative happens to them all the time. I wonder if there is a chance that this black bar will end?

But really... If we ask ourselves, is it really still a surprise? :/ The guy calling the shots for their strategy sucks and has been sucking for most of the season. Binotto should give him the sack amd hire another guy. And despite Ferrari's technical issues, they still have a fast, decent car that could win races. It's just the team seems like it's not really supporting the drivers. We've seen this before with Vettel. But most everyone just chalked it off as 'Vettel ain't good enough.'... Now we're seeing what's really up.

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Quote from: crwth on August 02, 2022, 10:28:49 AM

With the current happenings, it seems that Ferrari wouldn't do anything or sees no need for F1 changes said Mattia Binotto.^[1]

Even Leclerc isn't happy with the strategies that they have and he is baffled that he was supposed to be leading. I do hope Ferrari would have a great comeback when Summer break ends.

Quote from: rdbase on August 02, 2022, 06:52:07 AM

Ferrari as Leclerc has said have been making questionable calls when it comes to his car.
Tyre changes cost him this race and everybody can see that.

That's the point but Binotto doesn't see anything wrong. He is probably just saving his ass or the strategist's ass for that matter.

References:

[1] - https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-no-need-maranello-changes/10347418/

Such a chain of Ferrari failures actually leads me to very bad thoughts. It is clear that Leclerc is an excellent racer who had a brilliant season and rolled out pretty quickly. And bad thoughts just about the fact that maybe Ferrari's failures are not entirely random? Of course, I'm not saying that there is collusion, but somehow the symptoms of collusion seem to be there.

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