[FAILED]Butterfly Labs 30 day countdown to the end of September - page 39.

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Quote from: joeventura on September 10, 2013, 04:25:45 PM

Phinnaeus Gage and BCP have been taken into servitude.

They are chained to work benches and are assembling Jalapenos at a rate of 3 per day.

They have not been heard from since.

PG is on the left

If that is PG on left then 9/10 would bang.

erschiessen

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 10, 2013, 05:07:15 PM

Not sure, but I think I've been drugged and was shipped to Cleveland, in chains in a basement, and now answering to some guy name Castro. There's three of us here. Help!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8kPqAV_74M

Indroducing BFL_Gimp

PuertoLibre

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Quote from: Threader on September 10, 2013, 05:15:59 PM

Have you been hypnotized by Josh's "Reality Distortion Field" yet?

One does not simply become hypnotized by Josh's "Reality Distortion Field".

Threader

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Have you been hypnotized by Josh's "Reality Distortion Field" yet?

joeventura

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 10, 2013, 05:07:15 PM

Not sure, but I think I've been drugged and was shipped to Cleveland, in chains in a basement, and now answering to some guy name Castro. There's three of us here. Help!

LOL

He is alive!!!

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Quote from: Threader on September 10, 2013, 04:48:59 PM

More Inaba_josh FUD https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/4784-hashfast-guaranteeing-items-miner-protection-program-very-very-interesting.html

Quote Originally Posted by BFL_Josh View Post
Who? No one has "gotten their stuff out of the gate" yet except Avalon, BFL and ASICMiner. Bitfury is looking like it may happen, but he has yet to ship in any meaningful quantity, so we'll see on that front. Other than that, zip.

Since when is "gotten their stuff out of the gate" = meaningful quantity?

BFL has been claiming out the gate since April and sending media and few developers a few jalapeno examples for BFL was out the gate?

The Fact that Bitfury have shipped out per their plan since late August and at all is 1000's times better than BFL who never shipped in October 2012 as they planned but 6 months (claimed) later than this.

How BFL easily dismisses Bitfury is no surprise. Pure denial and FUD.

Let's talk percentages:

Asicminer has delivered 100% of all items ordered.

Bitfury delivered 100% of everything ordered.

Avalon has delivered 80% of Miners and 20% of chips

BFL has delivered zero chips so far. What percentage of miners? Maybe 30%?

By the way, BFL bulk chip sales were to be delivered today. Anyone hear about that?

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Not sure, but I think I've been drugged and was shipped to Cleveland, in chains in a basement, and now answering to some guy name Castro. There's three of us here. Help!

Threader

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More Inaba_josh FUD https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/4784-hashfast-guaranteeing-items-miner-protection-program-very-very-interesting.html

Quote Originally Posted by BFL_Josh View Post
Who? No one has "gotten their stuff out of the gate" yet except Avalon, BFL and ASICMiner. Bitfury is looking like it may happen, but he has yet to ship in any meaningful quantity, so we'll see on that front. Other than that, zip.

Since when is "gotten their stuff out of the gate" = meaningful quantity?

BFL has been claiming out the gate since April and sending media and few developers a few jalapeno examples for BFL was out the gate?

The Fact that Bitfury have shipped out per their plan since late August and at all is 1000's times better than BFL who never shipped in October 2012 as they planned but 6 months (claimed) later than this.

How BFL easily dismisses Bitfury is no surprise. Pure denial and FUD.

joeventura

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Phinnaeus Gage and BCP have been taken into servitude.

They are chained to work benches and are assembling Jalapenos at a rate of 3 per day.

They have not been heard from since.

PG is on the left

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 10, 2013, 09:10:31 AM

Quote from: joeventura on September 10, 2013, 06:25:35 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 09, 2013, 11:50:05 PM

Currently in a hotel room in Kansas with bcp19 sharing a pitcher of Kool Aid. Josh has promised me more KA tomorrow at the lab. I hope I don't get scammed and am only offered water, for I've heard stories. Grin

Report back here, anxious to hear what you discover.

Report #1: Ready to take a shit and shower after having breakfast with bcp19.

Glad to hear you are a 'regular' guy.

Please consider the following list of 'to do's'

Remind anyone you see that we need actual unit production/shipped numbers and that using paydates as a bench mark is completely absurd. It is possible to restore trust but they need to at least give us a reach around as a first step....
Tell us if the production manager is a real human. Anytime I ask Josh about the magical end of September clearance of the backlog date he says I will have to ask the elusive Production Manager, Mr Goodacre.

Ask what order date constitutes the end of the backlog.

Give Josh another bag of dicks as I think he ate the other one from Xian. (more likely he had it framed)

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Quote from: DeathAndTaxes on September 10, 2013, 09:16:07 AM

Quote from: creativex on September 10, 2013, 08:55:17 AM

BFL is plainly using pay date data rather than actual numbers of units ordered and shipped/day to ensure that current and future victims cannot draw meaningful conclusions about their own lead times. It's also given them some cover to defend their own non-performance by generalizing about how many orders were paid on a particular day. It's the time honored tactic of controlling the flow of information while bashing the opposition for having a lack of information. These guys are slick.

This.

Also it is very likely BFL has presold a staggering amount of hashing capacity. So much that if they were a monopoly and nobody else on the planet was mining with anything but BFL hardware those in the later portion of the queue had no chance to ROI% when they placed the order. Conservatively BFL has sold at least 3 PH/s of dreams. It is 100% in their interest to ensure customers never know how much capacity was sold.

Agree and this affects everyone involved with mining because even if you recognize the danger BFL represents and wisely choose to take your business elsewhere you're still unable to construct accurate models because there's so much paid hardware already in the queue. BFL can slow down or speed up production at any point and screw everyone's models.

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Quote from: creativex on September 10, 2013, 09:18:06 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 10, 2013, 09:10:31 AM

Report #1: Ready to take a shit and shower after having breakfast with bcp19.

TMI bro.

Yeah, no need to tell us about bcp19. :-D

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 10, 2013, 09:10:31 AM

Report #1: Ready to take a shit and shower after having breakfast with bcp19.

TMI bro.

joeventura

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 10, 2013, 09:10:31 AM

Quote from: joeventura on September 10, 2013, 06:25:35 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 09, 2013, 11:50:05 PM

Currently in a hotel room in Kansas with bcp19 sharing a pitcher of Kool Aid. Josh has promised me more KA tomorrow at the lab. I hope I don't get scammed and am only offered water, for I've heard stories. Grin

Report back here, anxious to hear what you discover.

Report #1: Ready to take a shit and shower after having breakfast with bcp19.

LOL - Probably start the report after arrival at BFL??

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Quote from: creativex on September 10, 2013, 08:55:17 AM

BFL is plainly using pay date data rather than actual numbers of units ordered and shipped/day to ensure that current and future victims cannot draw meaningful conclusions about their own lead times. It's also given them some cover to defend their own non-performance by generalizing about how many orders were paid on a particular day. It's the time honored tactic of controlling the flow of information while bashing the opposition for having a lack of information. These guys are slick.

This.

Also it is very likely BFL has presold a staggering amount of hashing capacity. So much that if they were a monopoly and nobody else on the planet was mining with anything but BFL hardware those in the later portion of the queue had no chance to ROI% when they placed the order. Conservatively BFL has sold at least 3 PH/s of dreams. It is 100% in their interest to ensure customers never know how much capacity was sold.

Phinnaeus Gage

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Quote from: joeventura on September 10, 2013, 06:25:35 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 09, 2013, 11:50:05 PM

Currently in a hotel room in Kansas with bcp19 sharing a pitcher of Kool Aid. Josh has promised me more KA tomorrow at the lab. I hope I don't get scammed and am only offered water, for I've heard stories. Grin

Report back here, anxious to hear what you discover.

Report #1: Ready to take a shit and shower after having breakfast with bcp19.

creativex

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BFL is plainly using pay date data rather than actual numbers of units ordered and shipped/day to ensure that current and future victims cannot draw meaningful conclusions about their own lead times. It's also given them some cover to defend their own non-performance by generalizing about how many orders were paid on a particular day. It's the time honored tactic of controlling the flow of information while bashing the opposition for having a lack of information. These guys are slick.

erschiessen

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Quote from: joeventura on September 10, 2013, 06:25:35 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 09, 2013, 11:50:05 PM

Currently in a hotel room in Kansas with bcp19 sharing a pitcher of Kool Aid. Josh has promised me more KA tomorrow at the lab. I hope I don't get scammed and am only offered water, for I've heard stories. Grin

Report back here, anxious to hear what you discover.

To be a fly on the wall...

joeventura

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 09, 2013, 11:50:05 PM

Currently in a hotel room in Kansas with bcp19 sharing a pitcher of Kool Aid. Josh has promised me more KA tomorrow at the lab. I hope I don't get scammed and am only offered water, for I've heard stories. Grin

Report back here, anxious to hear what you discover.

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Quote from: BKM on September 10, 2013, 01:54:13 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on September 10, 2013, 12:54:03 AM

Quote from: BKM on September 10, 2013, 12:34:33 AM

You ever hear the saying "the trend is your friend"? Here is my approach to measuring the trend in shipping at BFL FWIW

Number of paydates required to be cleared PER DAY For BFL to meet the Sept 30 65 nm backlog deadline

Jalapenos - 8.9 - increasing (bad trend)
Little Singles - 13.6 - increasing
Singles - 17.5 - increasing
Mini Rigs - 20.1 - increasing

Assumptions:
The values are derived solely from information supplied by BFL through Jody's blog updates.
The backlog is to August 19, 2013 which is the 28 nm announcement date
Partial shipments of Minirigs are not counted towards attaining paydate targets (Sept 6, 2013 update marks the first full shipment of a MR)

To view the trends in the numbers of paydates required to be shipped go to (with color and EVERYTHING Wink

):
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/hardware-discussion/4570-where-we-going.html#post56783

I update this linked post as soon as possible after Jody bestows the info on the proletariat. I will also update this thread with the same information

Nice work... shipping is slipping. What is the current average of daily shipments so far per unit?

TY - the trouble is that BFL refuses to define what the remaining backlog consists of in terms of units. The only thing they have consistently provided is the paydates shipped which (especially if you have a manufacturing background) is next to useless. The ONLY thing I could think of that made sense was to identify the trend in terms of the number of paydates they need to ship PER DAY to meet their stated goals.

It would simply be much easier if BFL used the proper metric of the number of units in the pipeline and the number of units shipped per day. If they had a good reason not to (in their mind at least) when they first took this approach it has surely gone by the wayside. I for one would not be the least bit concerned if they changed their mind and actually started to use a real world metric instead of something invented by unicorns Wink

How is the metric you are using changing over time? It be good at least to see the slippage since they actually shipped a unit.

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