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Topic: [FAILED]Butterfly Labs 30 day countdown to the end of September - page 37. (Read 69482 times)

legendary
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Yup, you cant argue that. What do you pay for power in your area? im wondering if the Bitfury1 is earning more $/watt than the BFL rig, I assume that it is.. But im also curious to hear the actual cost
When I had a bill to pay in 2011 it was 0.08$/kWh but in 2013 I guess it's more around 0.10$/kWh. I'm not a miner anymore, too much work -.-

0.079$/kWh at this location and only 160 watts used for environmental management. It kicks in once every 30 mins and runs for about 15 mins.

NO AC

Power service at this location is interruptible, however only happened two times this year that lasted a total of 40 mins combined.

vip
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Yup, you cant argue that. What do you pay for power in your area? im wondering if the Bitfury1 is earning more $/watt than the BFL rig, I assume that it is.. But im also curious to hear the actual cost
When I had a bill to pay in 2011 it was 0.08$/kWh but in 2013 I guess it's more around 0.10$/kWh. I'm not a miner anymore, too much work -.-
legendary
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Okey Dokey Lokey
Yup, you cant argue that. What do you pay for power in your area? im wondering if the Bitfury1 is earning more $/watt than the BFL rig, I assume that it is.. But im also curious to hear the actual cost
vip
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legendary
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legendary
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I just love the worksmanship and attention to detail on the two fan blowhole cuts in the steel chassis.

Looks like a 9 year old with a jigsaw went at it!  Cheesy


It is missing one of the right angles that secure the cover to the sides due to the additional power supply.

Apart from that the design and operation is remarkably well done.

I am certain that if given priority, they could have came up with a better solution.

It is unfortunate that they had so many setbacks. This product 6 months ago would've been in better shape as their would of been less competitors on the market.
sr. member
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I just love the worksmanship and attention to detail on the two fan blowhole cuts in the steel chassis.

Looks like a 9 year old with a jigsaw went at it!  Cheesy

vip
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Can it be used to make phone call?
legendary
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Here are photos of what to expect the Mini SC units will look like for those whose orders will be shipping in over the next 17 days.



And here are the results for Avalon, Bitfury, and BFL minirig sc operated in the same environment.


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So if I order Jalapeno today I will receive it in 75 days, do I understand this correctly ?

No u dont understand correctly ...lolz
No, but BFL does.  The interpretation you're replying to, of what's written on this thread, is an icon for why Zerlan wrote yesterday that this forum is a tiny force in the mining hardware landscape. 

The reality is that the median mentality wanting to get into mining at this point is somewhere around Homer Simpson.  And there are untold numbers of those folks. 
hero member
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In the one thread, I mentioned that using bfl.ptz.ro you could see that a minimum of 938 Jalapenos listed from Jun 23 to the end of Jan along with where the other lines were.  I felt we could triple the total and get a good lowball figure for their shipping to date.  That would be ~3000 Jalapenos which was kind of scoffed at as too high.  I then commented that I felt the true number of Jalas was closer to 7000(my gut said 10k, but I went with 7k) than the less than 3000 the others believed.  I straight up asked Josh if I was right about it being closer to 7000 and his response was yes, much much closer.  I would have to take that as meaning they shipped somewhere between 5k and 7k Jala's, which is the closest I got to actual numbers.


I did the math on the bfl.ptz.ro

For Jalapenos from Day 1 to the last ship date 2/14/13 there are 1063 orders. So you are saying that the number is about triple that?

Something tells me the factor for Singles is not Triple, but something less than Triple.

On bfl.ptz.ro the amount of singles from yesterdays shipments (nov 16 - 19) is 7 (seven)

Mini-Rigs (August 5-15) is 12 (twelve)
Mini-Rigs (July 18-20) is 3 (three)


Now in BFLs defense, Mini-Rigs take forever to assemble (I would guess) so if they shipped 15 to 20 yesterday that is probably full time job for 3 people.

However the numbers don't add up on Singles. If the factor was Triple, X4 or X5 - They shipped almost none yesterday.

That's all well and good, what baffles my mind is that Josh said YESTERDAY that they would clear to April 2013 in 20 days.

Is he so disconnected or is there some magic wand he has that no one knows about.




hero member
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Wednesdays update looks like every other day recently


Jalapenos 4.5 and 5 gh/s: Feb 12-14, 2013 no Jallys shipped today

Little Singles 30 and 25 gh/s: Nov. 6, 2012 no LS shipped today

Singles 60 and 50 gh/s: Aug 19, 2012 pay date 3 days of progress

MiniRigs: June 23 orders (3rd 500gh/s unit), July 20 orders 2nd 500 gh/s
August 15 for 1st 500 g/s units   2 days & 10 days respectively. Good day for Mini-Rigs


 75 198 days of Jalapenos to ship  [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
175 299 Days of Little Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
254 257 404 days of Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
311430 days of Mini-rig orders.   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]


Timer removed. End time: 2013-09-30+23:59:59UTC
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RISE WITH RAYS FOR THE FUTURE

Also if you recieved a Jala today ..it will never make its money back EVER!!!

All of these people who have Jalas still on order are now FUCKED !
With diff 1 500 000 it will take only 8 year to make its money back.
so with 15xCurrent diff and  bitcoin price 140$, its still profitable. But Jalopeno should cost about 10$ then Cheesy
legendary
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Update from OP



 75 198 days of Jalapenos to ship  [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
175 299 Days of Little Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
257 404 days of Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
311430 days of Mini-rig orders.   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]

So that's a reduction of 513 "order days per capita" that he has reduced the goal by.

So if I order Jalapeno today I will receive it in 75 days, do I understand this correctly ?

No u dont understand correctly ...lolz

This is just a reduced target to April 1 orders ..You will still have 5-6 months of orders ahead of you ..

Also if you recieved a Jala today ..it will never make its money back EVER!!!

All of these people who have Jalas still on order are now FUCKED !

Even the 30/25GH'ers are screwed,I'm making .18BTC per day as of now with my BFL 30GH'er................imagine in 6 months  Shocked
hero member
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Update from OP



 75 198 days of Jalapenos to ship  [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
175 299 Days of Little Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
257 404 days of Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
311430 days of Mini-rig orders.   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]

So that's a reduction of 513 "order days per capita" that he has reduced the goal by.

So if I order Jalapeno today I will receive it in 75 days, do I understand this correctly ?

No u dont understand correctly ...lolz

This is just a reduced target to April 1 orders ..You will still have 5-6 months of orders ahead of you ..

Also if you recieved a Jala today ..it will never make its money back EVER!!!

All of these people who have Jalas still on order are now FUCKED !
full member
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Update from OP



 75 198 days of Jalapenos to ship  [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
175 299 Days of Little Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
257 404 days of Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
311430 days of Mini-rig orders.   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]

So that's a reduction of 513 "order days per capita" that he has reduced the goal by.

So if I order Jalapeno today I will receive it in 75 days, do I understand this correctly ?

Not necessarily.  It just means that there are 75 days between February 14 and April 30 whose orders BFL needs to fulfill to be able to beat their "end Sep for orders up to end April" estimate.  This also probably means that they were never producing 400 units a day, as Josh's estimate as of July 7 was that they would be able to fulfill all orders up to July 6 by the end of September.  Maybe 200-300 units a day.
hero member
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Update from OP



 75 198 days of Jalapenos to ship  [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
175 299 Days of Little Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
257 404 days of Singles   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]
311430 days of Mini-rig orders.   [Updated for Joshs 9/11/13 New Date of April 30th 2013]

So that's a reduction of 513 "order days per capita" that he has reduced the goal by.

So if I order Jalapeno today I will receive it in 75 days, do I understand this correctly ?
hero member
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All very helpful and it underlines a lot of the facts and figures I have been discussing all along.

I always thought tripling the bfl.ptz.ro was a good estimate.

Considering the sheer volume they are outputting, I don't think that doubling assemblers would be enough but we shall see.


Help me understand the supply chain and the assembly.

A frisbee size wafer is produced by the foundry.

It gets cut up into squares

Whats the next steps and where do the steps happen?

Do the 4gh Engines get attached to the board at the same time as the rest of the electronic components?

Is there anything happening in the BFL building other than assembly (i.e. soldering, chip mounting to PCBs etc) or is that handled elsewhere?

It's 11:30 BFL time and no shipping update for today, so we shall see what Jody has to say tomorrow, just had to ship 16 days worth today! 

Somewhere I heard 55 employees, that seems high.



The bumping facility cuts the wafers into chips.  The binning process may or may not test the chips(I honestly don't know) but they are graded A,B,C and D.  Whether the bumping and binning are done in the same physical location or not I do not know. 

After the chips have been binned, they are sent to Chicago and the chips are attached to the boards.  The PCB boards are made elsewhere and I believe there is no backlog of boards.  AFAICK, Chicago only populates the ASIC to the board.  Since Chicago is able to use all the chips currently coming in, the binning process is the slowdown.  Chicago sends boards to BFL, and they assemble the units.  By my understanding they also currently use up all available boards daily.

So, no, only assembly.

I saw ~10 in customer service, ~8 in the burnin rooms, ~10 assemblers, 7 or 8 in a room I never entered, 4 or 5 that put post-it on finished units and like 6 in the shipping area.  Add in josh, sonny, maybe a couple managers... It was lunch time, so some could have been out.
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All very helpful and it underlines a lot of the facts and figures I have been discussing all along.

I always thought tripling the bfl.ptz.ro was a good estimate.

Considering the sheer volume they are outputting, I don't think that doubling assemblers would be enough but we shall see.


Help me understand the supply chain and the assembly.

A frisbee size wafer is produced by the foundry.

It gets cut up into squares

Whats the next steps and where do the steps happen?

Do the 4gh Engines get attached to the board at the same time as the rest of the electronic components?

Is there anything happening in the BFL building other than assembly (i.e. soldering, chip mounting to PCBs etc) or is that handled elsewhere?

It's 11:30 BFL time and no shipping update for today, so we shall see what Jody has to say tomorrow, just had to ship 16 days worth today! 

Somewhere I heard 55 employees, that seems high.


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So contrary to "tl;dr" I did read your posts.

Still have questions like:

What's your opinion of daily volume?

How many assemblers?

You said you saw stuff going out the door? Any more specifics??

Did you see anything that was contrary to what "the haters" have to say?

You mentioned something about 7000 Jalas, does that mean that they have sent 7000 since they started?


To be honest, daily volume was hard to estimate, I was told all of the wafers have been fabricated, but it sounds like there is a supply line issue from the bumping facility to the binning processor to the place in Chicago that populates the PCB boards.  IIRC, the binning facility is supposed to ship 5k chips a day, but had not come close to hitting that mark yet.  Maybe they are getting close as I saw 8-10 assemblers and Dave mentioned an additional 8 starting next week, Josh mentioned that they were farming out the Jalapenos to a subcontractor and if enough boards from Chicago arrive it sounded like Will might win his 2BTC bet.  It'll be close.

The building there is about 110 feet or so from front to back.  I was in the parking lot out front when the FedEx truck showed up.  When I had gotten to the back of the building I was looking through a space about a foot wide between the burn-in semi and the back of the building and could only see the driver carrying packages into the truck.  As it was 102 degrees and no shade, I only watched for a minute or so before heading back to the front where there were trees to stand under while waiting for PG.  As to USPS shipping, there were several of the 'cages' the post office uses there.  Josh said they fill the cages and that way the driver can just wheel them into the truck instead of making piles at the back door.  Saves time for all involved.

In the one thread, I mentioned that using bfl.ptz.ro you could see that a minimum of 938 Jalapenos listed from Jun 23 to the end of Jan along with where the other lines were.  I felt we could triple the total and get a good lowball figure for their shipping to date.  That would be ~3000 Jalapenos which was kind of scoffed at as too high.  I then commented that I felt the true number of Jalas was closer to 7000(my gut said 10k, but I went with 7k) than the less than 3000 the others believed.  I straight up asked Josh if I was right about it being closer to 7000 and his response was yes, much much closer.  I would have to take that as meaning they shipped somewhere between 5k and 7k Jala's, which is the closest I got to actual numbers.

I did see a timeline on a VAP board for gen 2, but as Josh told me it was not set in stone, I feel repeating anything I saw there would just cause more flaming.  I will say that I feel confident that they will have all 65nm product caught up before the Monarch is supposed to debut the end of the year, but that is merely my opinion after seeing them at work.

At the meet-up Tuesday evening, Sonny was there.  PG and I talked to him quite a bit and I found it interesting that they were originally working on the FPGAs for an entirely different purpose when someone brought the idea of using them for Bitcoin mining.  PG  was curious about the name Butterfly Labs and Sonny explained how the work they were doing before had something called a butterfly effect.  When you graphed the results, you had a fairly distinct butterfly shape.  It was an enjoyable get together and I personally found them very forthcoming on all of my questions, even the embarrassing ones I did not relate in full here due to my own discretion.
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