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Quote from: smyslov on September 24, 2021, 03:58:48 AM

Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

In my personal opinion, this sort of marketing is highly deceiving and dishonest. Roobet (and other casinos) are inflating their systems with fake bets, pretending to be more popular than they really are. This is a loss for both, legit sites that don't want to inflate their numbers, and legit streamers who don't want to participate in the circus of fake bets and fake reactions.

What do you think?

Every gambling casino is practicing this or has done this, but why do you care as long as they are true in their claim that they are provably fair and you can verify it, and as long as they are paying all their player's winning and there are not accusing their players of false accusation, that kind of marketing is acceptable, this is a marketing tactic to edge other gambling sites because the competition is very stiff.

There is a hidden desire in this thread because of all gambling site why does Roobet is solely mentioned when there are lot of gambling site who does this same strategy . but with all that only roobet name has been called lol.

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while thread like this continues to grows? Roobet is continuing to dominate the crypto gambling sites in this area Grin

no wonder why people in crypto don't understand that this strategy has been used by almost every gambling sites, they wanted to show good deeds on their side to lure players..

Nah, it is actually understandable. With the tight competition, every online gambling website would always rely unto this kind of advertisement. This is the most effective way to lure and catch the interest of their target market.
Roobet might've dominated in adverising and promotion in this community, but it doesn't mean they have more volume of wagers compared to all other online crypto gambling websites.

well comparing to others roobet has a high wager , actually roobet is 1.5 million dollars away from hitting a 2 billion wager . https://roobet.com/

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2021, 12:24:23 AM

michellee, hahay: If you report a channel violation, the channel must violate some Youtube rules. It is forbidden to advertise gambling only on the main banners. If you think that the company has enough staff to detect collusion between streamer and casino, it's not true. Even if YouTube decides that the content can be dangerous for users, which is almost unrealistic, they will just delete the video, but they won't ban the channel.

Youtube will not directly ban or block the channel if some people report the channel but Youtube will investigate before doing something. Maybe if Youtube can not find the relation between the streamer and casino, they will inform both and tell them that they are under surveillance from Youtube. Youtube will delete the channel if the content is dangerous for people who watch the video because they do not want to be blamed by many people.

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Quote from: Chato1977 on September 24, 2021, 01:00:05 AM

while thread like this continues to grows? Roobet is continuing to dominate the crypto gambling sites in this area Grin

no wonder why people in crypto don't understand that this strategy has been used by almost every gambling sites, they wanted to show good deeds on their side to lure players..

Nah, it is actually understandable. With the tight competition, every online gambling website would always rely unto this kind of advertisement. This is the most effective way to lure and catch the interest of their target market.
Roobet might've dominated in adverising and promotion in this community, but it doesn't mean they have more volume of wagers compared to all other online crypto gambling websites.

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

In my personal opinion, this sort of marketing is highly deceiving and dishonest. Roobet (and other casinos) are inflating their systems with fake bets, pretending to be more popular than they really are. This is a loss for both, legit sites that don't want to inflate their numbers, and legit streamers who don't want to participate in the circus of fake bets and fake reactions.

What do you think?

Every gambling casino is practicing this or has done this, but why do you care as long as they are true in their claim that they are provably fair and you can verify it, and as long as they are paying all their player's winning and there are not accusing their players of false accusation, that kind of marketing is acceptable, this is a marketing tactic to edge other gambling sites because the competition is very stiff.

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while thread like this continues to grows? Roobet is continuing to dominate the crypto gambling sites in this area Grin

no wonder why people in crypto don't understand that this strategy has been used by almost every gambling sites, they wanted to show good deeds on their side to lure players..

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 24, 2021, 12:24:23 AM

michellee, hahay: If you report a channel violation, the channel must violate some Youtube rules. It is forbidden to advertise gambling only on the main banners. If you think that the company has enough staff to detect collusion between streamer and casino, it's not true. Even if YouTube decides that the content can be dangerous for users, which is almost unrealistic, they will just delete the video, but they won't ban the channel.

Videos have tags on them so even if it was dangerous for users, it will only be for a select age group or something, so it isn't really bannable or anything. Most channel terminations come from continuous violations of Youtube's terms, conditions, community guidelines, etc., and I'd reckon it'd only happen on maybe the 2nd or 3rd offense. Iirc, youtube warns you beforehand if such a thing was going to happen.

Quote from: oktana on September 23, 2021, 05:23:11 PM

Mistake or not, people fall for it. I've seen some folks who walk around with gambling papers and prizes, just before you gamble and try your luck, they tell you what someone else had gambled/won so they can motivate you to increase your gamble. This is also the same for many casinos, they show those big wins(which most times are "Fake bets") and really cause people to feel agitated and wanting to win(bet) big too.

Well it's standard marketing/advertising strategy ngl. It's not really fake per se imo, just that it's close to selective advertising. It's like showing only the positive side of things while hiding all the damn losses people made. Kinda like that simpson meme where homer had clips behind him to hide some fat iirc? while showing in front that he's healthy.

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michellee, hahay: If you report a channel violation, the channel must violate some Youtube rules. It is forbidden to advertise gambling only on the main banners. If you think that the company has enough staff to detect collusion between streamer and casino, it's not true. Even if YouTube decides that the content can be dangerous for users, which is almost unrealistic, they will just delete the video, but they won't ban the channel.

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Quote from: michellee on September 23, 2021, 09:33:41 PM

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 22, 2021, 08:22:46 AM

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

That can work if their audience has much gambling experience and knows that the streamers or influencers are doing the wrong thing with their videos. But when it is uploaded into social media, many people will watch the video, including the new people who want to learn more about gambling. It can not stop it unless we report him to Youtube or other social media so he will not upload his video or even worse, his account will get ban from them.

How many Streamers or Influencers do you know who were banned due to collusion with the casino? For YouTube to ban an account you need hard evidence that you can't provide. So the only really workable way to influence this kind of activity is to reduce the number of subscribers in all of the streamer's social networks.

I do not know who was banned from Youtube because I do not follow those streamers or Youtubers. But I heard that Youtube could easily ban Youtubers because someone or some people report them by providing a fake thing that can make people get trick. Yes, Youtube will investigate and search for the evidence but if they get a little thing that enough to ban that Youtuber, they will do that. But it is not easy to reduce the number of subscribers as they could hire someone to get the subscribers to their Youtube channel.

Yes, that's the function of the three dots feature in the yotube video about "Report", if many viewers report related content that advertises something that might harm others then of course YouTube can ban it. Reducing the number of viewers is something that is difficult and not many people think the same as you. Not only that even, I saw a video on youtube that has a large number of viewers and subscribers like thousands but believe it or not, even the like and comment buttons are empty. With that said, I'm assuming that the number of subscribers and viewers can be set using bots or something else, so to reduce the number of viewers on a channel that already has a lot of subscribers, I think it's impossible unless a lot of viewers and subscribers report it to youtube or via the three-dot feature that's there about "Report".

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 23, 2021, 06:20:43 AM

Quote from: michellee on September 22, 2021, 10:26:43 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on September 22, 2021, 08:22:46 AM

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

That can work if their audience has much gambling experience and knows that the streamers or influencers are doing the wrong thing with their videos. But when it is uploaded into social media, many people will watch the video, including the new people who want to learn more about gambling. It can not stop it unless we report him to Youtube or other social media so he will not upload his video or even worse, his account will get ban from them.

How many Streamers or Influencers do you know who were banned due to collusion with the casino? For YouTube to ban an account you need hard evidence that you can't provide. So the only really workable way to influence this kind of activity is to reduce the number of subscribers in all of the streamer's social networks.

I do not know who was banned from Youtube because I do not follow those streamers or Youtubers. But I heard that Youtube could easily ban Youtubers because someone or some people report them by providing a fake thing that can make people get trick. Yes, Youtube will investigate and search for the evidence but if they get a little thing that enough to ban that Youtuber, they will do that. But it is not easy to reduce the number of subscribers as they could hire someone to get the subscribers to their Youtube channel.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 21, 2021, 06:09:20 AM

Quote from: oktana on September 21, 2021, 02:54:34 AM

Correct! Most online gambling sites are guilty of this. They fake their bets scores to not only attract people but to inspire them to bet big. A player may have wanted to bet with only $100, then they make you feel like $100 is small. The bad news is that you comply and end up losing it all. So whenever you see huge bets on gambling sites, know that they could be exaggerating and stick to your initial amount/decision. Wink

I do not think that the casino can influence the size of the player's bet with any kind of advertising. If a person has a budget, then he should not exceed it, and if he suddenly thinks that he should win, then first he will win with a small bet and then he will be able to bet more. If he does not understand such simple things, then this is his personal mistake.

Mistake or not, people fall for it. I've seen some folks who walk around with gambling papers and prizes, just before you gamble and try your luck, they tell you what someone else had gambled/won so they can motivate you to increase your gamble. This is also the same for many casinos, they show those big wins(which most times are "Fake bets") and really cause people to feel agitated and wanting to win(bet) big too.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on September 20, 2021, 12:07:31 PM

Isn't this all for the sake of advertising, IMO, if the streamers fake those bets and have infinite funds to spend on the site due to xdeal, it's no longer our problem. Our faith, as gamblers, is still in our hands, and gambling platforms can never guarantee victories because it will always depend on our luck and ability to bet.

The problem actually stems from streamers who advertise such false services with rigged rates. Most of these streamers (if not all) are paid by these gambling establishments in order to advertise their supposed to be "legit" rates. But unfortunately, everything is just a smoke screen towards their unethical practice of rigging the rates and causing it to appear that you have a high chance of winning something.

Though this may be the case, please exercise extreme caution to websites that are being advertised by these streamers. The fact that they are 'advertised' means that they are desperate for exposure.

if you are a gambler, you very well know that those winnings from paid streamers are not legit or true. we have no idea what is happening behind those deals. what am worried is, for those new gamblers/players, it is really deceiving from their end. this is why many new players will try those sites to check if such advertisement is true. and they will easily find out, it is not. in this digital age, everyone can practically manipulate what needs to be seen by their audience. you have to be smart on these things and not believe all the good things that you are seeing. of course, they will tempt you to try and send your funds to their site. but if you will lose, they have nothing to do about it.

And one more thing you forgot to mention: Higher RTP for streamer account, I don't know technics but heard about this on Reddit discussions. Some websites offer higher RTP and bigger deposit bonuses for streamers and of course, all these account features, promos, bonuses will lead to the max win per week. It is just a matter of time to hit huge wins but for the average gambler spinning $1000 per bet is ridiculously high, IMHO.

This is true and a logical thing to think so that the stream will be more interesting and catchy. It's an exclusive privilege for famous streamers. To qualify for that, the streamer should be a heavy one with lots of viewers and followers. A high RTP isn't any assurance that these streamers will hit that jackpot but on the way, they have more chance of getting it compare to usual gamblers.

And the tricky part, viewers will think that they will have the same experience so they will test it. Not realizing their RTP is the default one different from the streamers.

Exactly, viewers think they will get the same result in the case following the same betting patterns. Casino managements gave them special privileges, they have access to various bonuses and chances are high to hit big multipliers. Logically, it is rigged in favor of streamers so it is going to be a loser game for the rest of the casino users. Such practice should be banned but we have no evidence to prove this statement, unfortunately.
Twitch recently banned the affiliate advertisement, it means whoever streamer recommends his referral code on live stream can be instantly banned. Few popular streamers included Roshtein has been banned due to this experience or their channel was restricted.

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Quote from: passwordnow on September 23, 2021, 06:50:21 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 22, 2021, 03:21:09 PM

Even if he lost everything, but if that bankroll is provided by the house, then there's nothing to worry on his part.

Yes, these streamers are paid, and as well as whatever they're playing with is sponsored by that gambling company that they advertise and where they're playing at.
And they have to show the best that they can and be entertaining so that they will satisfy not only their audience but as well as the company that they're paid with. It's what they've been paid for to attract and be entertaining and even they spend all that has been given to them in balance.

They need to make it more convincing to attract more gamblers, when they satisfied audiences they bring more gamblers to the site,

it only means that the owners will take a good cut from those referrals and the aftereffect of that is also bonuses or perks that will be provided to the streamers. Make more realistic and attract more players to come and ride.

Not actually referrals but that's the sole purpose why they've hired those streamers to show their audiences how to do it with the casino they're advertising.
Yeah, sure, they'll get a good cut on it if the streamer himself got a large following and most of them are adults and are certainly into gambling. That's the type of marketing that they want and surely hitting their target and niche.

Its been a common thing when it comes to marketing aspect on where streamers with having lots of followers would really be significant or would really be enough on what they had been targeting on and of course

those advertisers would really be having some good cut specially if they would really bring up lots of users in the platforms.I dont see for it to be unethical or deceptive because you do have the

own will on making out decisions whether you do play or not basing up on what you had seen.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 23, 2021, 02:51:54 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on September 23, 2021, 06:50:21 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 22, 2021, 03:21:09 PM

Even if he lost everything, but if that bankroll is provided by the house, then there's nothing to worry on his part.

Yes, these streamers are paid, and as well as whatever they're playing with is sponsored by that gambling company that they advertise and where they're playing at.
And they have to show the best that they can and be entertaining so that they will satisfy not only their audience but as well as the company that they're paid with. It's what they've been paid for to attract and be entertaining and even they spend all that has been given to them in balance.

They need to make it more convincing to attract more gamblers, when they satisfied audiences they bring more gamblers to the site,

it only means that the owners will take a good cut from those referrals and the aftereffect of that is also bonuses or perks that will be provided to the streamers. Make more realistic and attract more players to come and ride.

Not actually referrals but that's the sole purpose why they've hired those streamers to show their audiences how to do it with the casino they're advertising.
Yeah, sure, they'll get a good cut on it if the streamer himself got a large following and most of them are adults and are certainly into gambling. That's the type of marketing that they want and surely hitting their target and niche.

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Quote from: passwordnow on September 23, 2021, 06:50:21 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 22, 2021, 03:21:09 PM

Even if he lost everything, but if that bankroll is provided by the house, then there's nothing to worry on his part.

Yes, these streamers are paid, and as well as whatever they're playing with is sponsored by that gambling company that they advertise and where they're playing at.
And they have to show the best that they can and be entertaining so that they will satisfy not only their audience but as well as the company that they're paid with. It's what they've been paid for to attract and be entertaining and even they spend all that has been given to them in balance.

They need to make it more convincing to attract more gamblers, when they satisfied audiences they bring more gamblers to the site,

it only means that the owners will take a good cut from those referrals and the aftereffect of that is also bonuses or perks that will be provided to the streamers. Make more realistic and attract more players to come and ride.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 22, 2021, 03:21:09 PM

Even if he lost everything, but if that bankroll is provided by the house, then there's nothing to worry on his part.

The site wanted to attract gamblers to visit and play. Whatever promotion they use, it serve same purpose, to invite the attention
and established good relationship with every gambler to use their platform.

Yes, that's true that there's nothing to worry about on his part by the expression he has by losing 350k+ but still continues to play now, His twitch MODs keep bringing that up he lost this amount in gambling maybe to warn others. But it's quite messed up being his most users being under 18... He has the warning in his stream that it's "18+" but you know that doesn't work if people are already watching his streams and placing a tag of 18+ won't be stopping them.

Also, He didn't state anywhere that the money he lost is given by the gambling website.

It won't happen mate, revealing will cause him to lose those audiences. No one in the right mindset will do that.

Regarding to those under age viewers, that's really alarming but it can be faked even streamer place that under 18 is not allow this can simply do the tunnel and continue following and watching the live streams.

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I guess you don't have to worry about gambling when you have unlimited sponsorship money! Grin

So trusting such streamers is like trusting Twitter's shitcoin shillers!
Gambling is fundamentally unprofitable for players, and by trusting ads that are designed to attract new gamblers you increase the risks!

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Quote from: worldofcoins on September 22, 2021, 02:47:42 PM

Well, I recently saw a twitch streamer playing slots on a new gambling website and they have their Signature running here on the forum.
What I see is he's playing with 100k $ Slots 30-50$ /Spin but lost most of their money and over 300k $ in Loss and Still, they don't care much about their losses now reading about your Promo strategy of the Gambling websites makes me wonder if he only lost a fraction of that money.

That's not probably their money because I am pretty sure that if that streamer isn't famous then that means that that streamer isn't making that much money because I am pretty sure those streamers need that money more than anything else and I don't think gambling isn't their best pick in terms of spending money. So that's the reason why I conclude that those money is sponsored.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 22, 2021, 03:21:09 PM

Even if he lost everything, but if that bankroll is provided by the house, then there's nothing to worry on his part.

The site wanted to attract gamblers to visit and play. Whatever promotion they use, it serve same purpose, to invite the attention
and established good relationship with every gambler to use their platform.

Yes, that's true that there's nothing to worry about on his part by the expression he has by losing 350k+ but still continues to play now, His twitch MODs keep bringing that up he lost this amount in gambling maybe to warn others. But it's quite messed up being his most users being under 18... He has the warning in his stream that it's "18+" but you know that doesn't work if people are already watching his streams and placing a tag of 18+ won't be stopping them.

Also, He didn't state anywhere that the money he lost is given by the gambling website.

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Quote from: madnessteat on September 22, 2021, 08:22:46 AM

If I see any of the Influencers or Streamers doing commercials that I think are a scam or an attempt to drag their viewers into a bad story, I just stop being a consumer of their content no matter how good it is. If everyone did that, they would just stop doing questionable advertising due to the decrease in viewers as this is the main factor affecting their income.

I guess it depends on the viewers if they are trying to attempt to play a gamble or not. We know that streamers show too that they are losing their money too on their actual stream but of course it's just like a token for the promoters to get more active players. Still, the streamers are doing their job just to promote some of them already telling that gambling responsibly. Some streamers are just using their money but they are including their referral links to create more promotions because sometimes they are giving away some rewards for their active supports so they more encourage to play and watch.

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on September 22, 2021, 06:57:40 PM

xposed and the Roobet crew can definitely be classified as frauds.

I think that their behavior should be condemned but I don't think that it's necessarily their fault - it's Roobet's fault for allowing this to happen in the first place.

The overreactions and dramatizations are simply way too overdone at this point to even be entertaining for most people. They're just targeting newbies.

What about the company you are promoting? you are calling roobet as fraud then what more for your own signature banner? a scammer> lol Grin

believe me what you are accusing roobet>? it is more from your own company , roobet may be paying fake streams but your team is taking gamblers money .
roobet is just a single name called here but surely no gambling site that can raise their hands saying they don't have strategy to fool people, unless they are pretending ,

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 22, 2021, 03:21:09 PM

Even if he lost everything, but if that bankroll is provided by the house, then there's nothing to worry on his part.

Yes, these streamers are paid, and as well as whatever they're playing with is sponsored by that gambling company that they advertise and where they're playing at.
And they have to show the best that they can and be entertaining so that they will satisfy not only their audience but as well as the company that they're paid with. It's what they've been paid for to attract and be entertaining and even they spend all that has been given to them in balance.

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