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Quote from: fortunecrypto on September 16, 2021, 05:22:54 AM

Quote from: Desmong on September 15, 2021, 06:14:02 PM

This your complain is never new in the casino and gambling world so don't be bias cause it has become a normal trend I think don't think is a fake means to attract more gamblers to gamble on a particular platform. This can be term business techniques that every gambling platforms make use of which I don't you need to accuse just Roobit only. I think if you don't like the techniques kindly disregard gambling online cause it's normal to me.

Not only gambling sites employ this but even new trading and exchange are also doing this to attract more traders and players, even old gambling sites are doing this whenever there is a decline in activities, if the gambling site has a good reputation, there's nothing wrong on doing this, the most important thing is they have no scam report and they pay their players on time.

The old gambling sites does not need to deploy these tactics of fake bets because it is not a right way to promote the site.

Even I think that new gambling sites which are here for long term business should avoid from fake bets.

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Quote from: Desmong on September 15, 2021, 06:14:02 PM

This your complain is never new in the casino and gambling world so don't be bias cause it has become a normal trend I think don't think is a fake means to attract more gamblers to gamble on a particular platform. This can be term business techniques that every gambling platforms make use of which I don't you need to accuse just Roobit only. I think if you don't like the techniques kindly disregard gambling online cause it's normal to me.

Not only gambling sites employ this but even new trading and exchange are also doing this to attract more traders and players, even old gambling sites are doing this whenever there is a decline in activities, if the gambling site has a good reputation, there's nothing wrong on doing this, the most important thing is they have no scam report and they pay their players on time.

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Quote from: Desmong on September 15, 2021, 06:14:02 PM

This your complain is never new in the casino and gambling world so don't be bias cause it has become a normal trend I think don't think is a fake means to attract more gamblers to gamble on a particular platform. This can be term business techniques that every gambling platforms make use of which I don't you need to accuse just Roobit only. I think if you don't like the techniques kindly disregard gambling online cause it's normal to me.

I don't think so, honestly.

Roobet, Duelbits, etc. are all participating in this and I certainly don't think that this sort of predatory bahavior should be condoned. It's no different to misleading advertising or outright fraud.

They should at least make the streamers disclose to the audience that they are being paid.

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This your complain is never new in the casino and gambling world so don't be bias cause it has become a normal trend I think don't think is a fake means to attract more gamblers to gamble on a particular platform. This can be term business techniques that every gambling platforms make use of which I don't you need to accuse just Roobit only. I think if you don't like the techniques kindly disregard gambling online cause it's normal to me.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on July 16, 2021, 04:43:22 AM

This is like a marketing strategy for new casinos and it's wise if gamblers pay close attention to attractive offers to get a clearer picture of what they are been offered. Because no true business venture would give you a welcome bonus beyond 20-50% and with this welcome bonuses comes heavy terms and conditions you don't just get attracted to bonus without knowing what's involved.

What happens is that the Welcome bonuses are always very conditioned to the fact that you can only benefit from them if you bet on it in full, since sometimes the bonus that is given cannot be withdrawn, but everyone would make a deposit and they would withdraw without playing double or triple depending on the type of bonus, so this makes the player insist on taking advantage of that bonus to increase their earnings without touching their previous deposit, it is like a double-edged sword, particularly that is what it always ends up giving itself.
In many platforms I have seen that fake bets are made, it is normal, that is why there are bots, in fact some exchanges use this strategy to show customers that the site always has movement and demand from bettors, only with the experience of customers They know that it is fake and they tend to leave the sites for not giving enough trust and authenticity.

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I was just reading this topic on an actual fake bet: https://www.rd.com/article/man-rigged-lottery-five-times/ The promotional play through of games is really not a problem imo

That story is about proper corruption within a lottery, but the streamers just using elevated amounts is a form of promotion & I dont find that especially abnormal. So long as the person is openly admitting to promoting that casino I think thats open enough that you know everything required to make fair judgement. The game is being demonstrated during play, thats just normal to me at any size bet its the same game really. What really matters is profit to loss ratio, is the game being played within valid rules that any other player could take part in. If its available at any price then I think its fine, a 1 million prize win might well require an equal amount to be gambled and the sensible thing for any new player is to start small learn the game.
I dont agree with the criticism, it fits the nanny state type of we cant let people take any risk because the world is not fair it ends up as nonsense and people will always take risks anyway.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on July 17, 2021, 05:17:03 AM

Quote from: michellee on July 17, 2021, 05:07:27 AM

Quote from: Alisha-k on July 16, 2021, 04:43:22 AM

This is like a marketing strategy for new casinos and it's wise if gamblers pay close attention to attractive offers to get a clearer picture of what they are been offered. Because no true business venture would give you a welcome bonus beyond 20-50% and with this welcome bonuses comes heavy terms and conditions you don't just get attracted to bonus without knowing what's involved.

Of course, that is a marketing strategy and not just new casinos, but old casinos do that to attract the gamblers or new people to visit their site. They are giving a welcome bonus and among the other bonuses, the casino can give interesting offers that can make gamblers stay and play the games for a long time. That is one of the ways to make the gamblers satisfy and will come back to their place.

Not only old casinos but this had become a default feature for a gambling site to have on where they would really be finding out ways on attracting out people even on the method of a bit deceptive.

Fake bets or sponsored bets? Its not that unethical but as a viewer and does have common sense then you can tell that its really way too obvious and also its up to someones end on making decision

neither they would get attracted with those bets or not since they do know that those are just sponsored money.What matters here is that those bets are fair and it doesnt really matter
on whose gonna play neither a regular player or a sponsored one. Odds of winning would be always the same.

Yes, that will be up to the audience and I am sure some of them are smart to know if that is a fake bet or not because they will not play on the casino that deals the things like that. They are worried that they can get cheated by the casino someday, although they do not do anything wrong with their account and keep playing clean.

A wise gambler will know how they need to act with that and they will not try to risk more than what they afford because they have had an experience before.

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Quote from: Obito on July 13, 2021, 04:04:15 AM

It's deceiving but that's how advertising works, you don't want your influencers doing bad when they are promoting your gambling and betting site, remember that you need sometimes common sense because that's what we lack this day and age, we whine about things without common sense. And it should be a common sense that gambling makes people lose more than win.

The best way to avoid these fake bets is to place the bets only at the trusted site where you will always found the real bets. Usually the new casino offer these fake and attractive bets to scam people.

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Quote from: michellee on July 17, 2021, 05:07:27 AM

Quote from: Alisha-k on July 16, 2021, 04:43:22 AM

This is like a marketing strategy for new casinos and it's wise if gamblers pay close attention to attractive offers to get a clearer picture of what they are been offered. Because no true business venture would give you a welcome bonus beyond 20-50% and with this welcome bonuses comes heavy terms and conditions you don't just get attracted to bonus without knowing what's involved.

Of course, that is a marketing strategy and not just new casinos, but old casinos do that to attract the gamblers or new people to visit their site. They are giving a welcome bonus and among the other bonuses, the casino can give interesting offers that can make gamblers stay and play the games for a long time. That is one of the ways to make the gamblers satisfy and will come back to their place.

Not only old casinos but this had become a default feature for a gambling site to have on where they would really be finding out ways on attracting out people even on the method of a bit deceptive.

Fake bets or sponsored bets? Its not that unethical but as a viewer and does have common sense then you can tell that its really way too obvious and also its up to someones end on making decision

neither they would get attracted with those bets or not since they do know that those are just sponsored money.What matters here is that those bets are fair and it doesnt really matter
on whose gonna play neither a regular player or a sponsored one. Odds of winning would be always the same.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on July 16, 2021, 04:43:22 AM

This is like a marketing strategy for new casinos and it's wise if gamblers pay close attention to attractive offers to get a clearer picture of what they are been offered. Because no true business venture would give you a welcome bonus beyond 20-50% and with this welcome bonuses comes heavy terms and conditions you don't just get attracted to bonus without knowing what's involved.

Of course, that is a marketing strategy and not just new casinos, but old casinos do that to attract the gamblers or new people to visit their site. They are giving a welcome bonus and among the other bonuses, the casino can give interesting offers that can make gamblers stay and play the games for a long time. That is one of the ways to make the gamblers satisfy and will come back to their place.

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Quote from: hahay on July 16, 2021, 04:13:48 AM

If it's not a live broadcast then there might be an editing process so that the influencer seems to always get a win in the bet, but if it's a live broadcast and the influencer continues to win without getting a heavy loss, then of course there will be suspicions about fake bets or settings going on with they. I personally don't really care about whether they make fake bets or something, because for me all gambling is the same just about luck which is different from each individual and if influencers can continue to win in doing promotions I just think they have high luck in gambling and that's certainly different from me as an ordinary person.

It's the first time I read that, for you probabilities of outcomes to happen are bullshit? The probabilities depends on the luck of the players in reality? So odds on sportsbooks or at the roulette are fake, to evaluate the real odds we must look at who is gambling on which outcome?

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Quote from: justdimin on July 13, 2021, 06:26:25 AM

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I didn't know that there's such thing as fake bets, yes that true that it's for advertisement or to attract players but I don't think there's something wrong about it. In my opinion, not unless the website itself is illegal one and they use that kind of trick to attract players but for marketing purposes I don't see any problem with that.

You don't see a problem in promoting a scam and maybe that's why you don't see a problem in promoting a site with sponsored funds. It is wrong because the people watching would think that the streamer actually won a huge amount of money while it might be a setup to attract gamblers and the money won was nothing but a setup by the casino.

I even think that there might be some game rigging for a particular player. I mean the slot games from providers are obviously not provably fair and it must be quite easy for the provider to allow some players to play at a negative edge or something such that they win most of the time. And there is never a way you can know if such things are going on behind the pretty slot designs.

Whatever the reason, I can't accept promoting in a dishonest way, if in the promotion alone there have been many arrangements. Moreover, gamblers
who decide to play on the gambling site can certainly be cheated. To attract the attention of gamblers, it is not necessary to do fake bets, there are still
many ways that can be used to attract the attention of gamblers. In order for a gambling site to last a long time, it must be proven to be fair and honest.
But we must not accuse certain gambling sites of being dishonest, without solid evidence.

We can only assume though but it's hard to prove that they are faking bets just to gain attention, well, as long as the gambling site is reputable, I guess there's no problem with that as people will believe that every bet is real and if they don't they would still understand that it's part of the promotion.

The only concern of the bettors is for them to get paid everytime they win and they can withdraw the money without a problem.

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Quote from: justdimin on July 13, 2021, 06:26:25 AM

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I didn't know that there's such thing as fake bets, yes that true that it's for advertisement or to attract players but I don't think there's something wrong about it. In my opinion, not unless the website itself is illegal one and they use that kind of trick to attract players but for marketing purposes I don't see any problem with that.

You don't see a problem in promoting a scam and maybe that's why you don't see a problem in promoting a site with sponsored funds. It is wrong because the people watching would think that the streamer actually won a huge amount of money while it might be a setup to attract gamblers and the money won was nothing but a setup by the casino.

I even think that there might be some game rigging for a particular player. I mean the slot games from providers are obviously not provably fair and it must be quite easy for the provider to allow some players to play at a negative edge or something such that they win most of the time. And there is never a way you can know if such things are going on behind the pretty slot designs.

Whatever the reason, I can't accept promoting in a dishonest way, if in the promotion alone there have been many arrangements. Moreover, gamblers
who decide to play on the gambling site can certainly be cheated. To attract the attention of gamblers, it is not necessary to do fake bets, there are still
many ways that can be used to attract the attention of gamblers. In order for a gambling site to last a long time, it must be proven to be fair and honest.
But we must not accuse certain gambling sites of being dishonest, without solid evidence.

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Quote from: hahay on July 16, 2021, 04:13:48 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 13, 2021, 04:34:46 PM

If I'm not mistaken, the influencers do not hide the fact that the winnings are achieved with difficulty with the help of these transfers from the casino, right? I think anyone can compare the amount they have lost before getting a big win and the win itself and draw conclusions about the difficulty of winning.

If it's not a live broadcast then there might be an editing process so that the influencer seems to always get a win in the bet, but if it's a live broadcast and the influencer continues to win without getting a heavy loss, then of course there will be suspicions about fake bets or settings going on with they. I personally don't really care about whether they make fake bets or something, because for me all gambling is the same just about luck which is different from each individual and if influencers can continue to win in doing promotions I just think they have high luck in gambling and that's certainly different from me as an ordinary person.

In my opinion, in any case, this can be regarded as a controversial advertisement, nothing more. In the end, any adult realizes that there is no casino that would just give out money. The game is always associated with risk and the risk of losing is always greater. We see a much more serious deception, for example, in the advertising of Axe Grin

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This is like a marketing strategy for new casinos and it's wise if gamblers pay close attention to attractive offers to get a clearer picture of what they are been offered. Because no true business venture would give you a welcome bonus beyond 20-50% and with this welcome bonuses comes heavy terms and conditions you don't just get attracted to bonus without knowing what's involved.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 13, 2021, 04:34:46 PM

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To be honest it would be fair if influencers would also lose. It would be very easy for the government to prohibit fake bets. Its misleading and casinos would still do fine with showing the truth. If there were some influencers who win and some who lose it would be fair. Since the influencers usually get paid directly for their promotions and not through illegitimate winnings.

If I'm not mistaken, the influencers do not hide the fact that the winnings are achieved with difficulty with the help of these transfers from the casino, right? I think anyone can compare the amount they have lost before getting a big win and the win itself and draw conclusions about the difficulty of winning.

If it's not a live broadcast then there might be an editing process so that the influencer seems to always get a win in the bet, but if it's a live broadcast and the influencer continues to win without getting a heavy loss, then of course there will be suspicions about fake bets or settings going on with they. I personally don't really care about whether they make fake bets or something, because for me all gambling is the same just about luck which is different from each individual and if influencers can continue to win in doing promotions I just think they have high luck in gambling and that's certainly different from me as an ordinary person.

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To be honest it would be fair if influencers would also lose. It would be very easy for the government to prohibit fake bets. Its misleading and casinos would still do fine with showing the truth. If there were some influencers who win and some who lose it would be fair. Since the influencers usually get paid directly for their promotions and not through illegitimate winnings.

If I'm not mistaken, the influencers do not hide the fact that the winnings are achieved with difficulty with the help of these transfers from the casino, right? I think anyone can compare the amount they have lost before getting a big win and the win itself and draw conclusions about the difficulty of winning.

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Quote from: Obito on July 13, 2021, 04:04:15 AM

It's deceiving but that's how advertising works, you don't want your influencers doing bad when they are promoting your gambling and betting site, remember that you need sometimes common sense because that's what we lack this day and age, we whine about things without common sense. And it should be a common sense that gambling makes people lose more than win.

Not saying that gamblers losing this but yeah right there are gamblers who just believe with those influencers and try to imitate them in hope that they'll also have that same chance finding luck winning same amount.

Being realistic will lead you to noticed things out, understanding what's for advertisement and what the reality around.

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Many new gambling sites are notorious for this, they make it appear that they are getting visitors and players to play on their site, of course, visitors if they see a lot of activity will be enticed to play and bet, I'm ok with new sites doing this but a limited period of time, f they keep doing this even if they have steady players they are very dishonest.

And sooner those active gamblers will also noticed those kinds of activities inside the site and from that point, they'll going to lose
active gamblers once those players realized this kind of cheats.

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I didn't know that there's such thing as fake bets, yes that true that it's for advertisement or to attract players but I don't think there's something wrong about it. In my opinion, not unless the website itself is illegal one and they use that kind of trick to attract players but for marketing purposes I don't see any problem with that.

You don't see a problem in promoting a scam and maybe that's why you don't see a problem in promoting a site with sponsored funds. It is wrong because the people watching would think that the streamer actually won a huge amount of money while it might be a setup to attract gamblers and the money won was nothing but a setup by the casino.

I even think that there might be some game rigging for a particular player. I mean the slot games from providers are obviously not provably fair and it must be quite easy for the provider to allow some players to play at a negative edge or something such that they win most of the time. And there is never a way you can know if such things are going on behind the pretty slot designs.

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It's deceiving but that's how advertising works, you don't want your influencers doing bad when they are promoting your gambling and betting site, remember that you need sometimes common sense because that's what we lack this day and age, we whine about things without common sense. And it should be a common sense that gambling makes people lose more than win.

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