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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 06:21:51 AM

Quote from: Natalim on March 12, 2021, 06:12:42 AM

The question is, can we proved they are faking their bets?

Absolutely.

It seems to be common knowledge by now, hence why I didn't bother to list the evidence in the starting post. But, here are a couple of things to show:
1)
Roobet video uploaded 2 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyt-cgfKEbQ
Read the description: "All Balances you see on these videos is sponsored as part of my deal with the website."

2)
https://roobet.com/50k-pot-o-gold
Read the terms: "Sponsored funds will not reward tickets for the promotion."

If some people are still doubtful about this, I can spend some extra time to show more material. But, it should be quite obvious by now -- Pretty much all of their advertisers have somewhat admitted to gambling with monopoly money.

Well, since it's explained on the video's description I think it's debatable, because in fact nobody should be deceived if all informations are there, right? But at same time the casino and the streamer are malicious to use this as marketing hoping to get the attention (and the money) of the fools around.

Although I don't think it's a positive propaganda for the casino I also don't crimizalize this. The solution for gamblers is to never rely in videos like these to make their own bets. Stick to the FACTS only: house edge, terms and conditions of the promotions, requirements to withdraw, etc. Forget about idolizing people who boast too much at youtube videos because there is always a catch behind it, especially when money is the subject.

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

A) Bet amount inflation; The streamer only wants to gamble with $100. The site gives them "$10000" in funds, but only 1% of this is withdrawable. The viewers will think that the streamer is gambling with $10000, while in reality, they're only risking $100.

Actually, this is fine because the streamer is asked to explore all parts of the casino and promote it. If the streamer mentions that this is a paid promotion then there is absolutely no problem taking a big amount from the casino and not allowed to withdraw, instead use the funds to explain how some games work, playing slots, etc.

If the streamer doesn't mention it is a paid promotion, it becomes a problem then.

I am neither against such practices nor I appreciate them. There are some sportsbooks I have a feeling who might be faking big bets by betting with fake accounts, but then I have no proofs and the sportsbook are really reputed.

As far as the streamer taking money and promotion goes as I said, it is fine for me but they must mention this is a paid promotion and should not make it look like they won big amount with their own funds. Like Edward from stake.com streams and we all know he is the owner and not playing with his own funds, it's 100% fine for me in those cases.

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Quote from: tyz on March 12, 2021, 06:55:23 AM

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Definitely just a marketing strategy to attract gambler's but being it justified and correct is not how most people will think of it. No matter what you see, its just a bull of crap and many people especially the gullible one's could simply put 10,000 grand thinking they can make double or higher profits, in reality they might get rekt.

Well, I would say 99.9% of the people even do not notice that this are fake amounts and no real money. That is exactly the intention of this procedure and that is why it is somehow underhanded.

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Quote from: arwin100 on March 15, 2021, 04:38:49 AM

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Maybe this one will have separate impression since if the fake bets made just to deceive people that they have whales playing at them well that's not really good, but if we can see that as way of promotion and educate the gamblers about the games what they offer well we can define this as normal since many casino will provably do that just to promote there various games they have.

That could be another possibility too, to make it look like the bets on the website are attractive, but that can also be considered as a deceiving advertisement. I mean if we are wary of the website that advertises fake bets, then we should scour the web to look for information about the website and find testimonies that will prove the reputation of the website and then maybe after that you can decide for your own whether it is worth it to go to that website to gamble.

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Quote from: electronicash on March 12, 2021, 08:46:06 PM

Quote from: Silberman on March 12, 2021, 07:43:24 PM

I understand your source of frustration, however since they are being open about it you cannot really say that they are being deceptive since everything is out there for people to understand that it is not real, however I agree that such promotion while it may help on the short term is not going to help them over the long term as people realize of its existence and they prefer to play in other casinos which don't engage in those practices.

morality wise, it's, of course, a bit shady but since they are pretty much making it obvious the deception can still be seen as transparent here if we could just call it marketing technique. they spend money on promotion. it's not surprising that companies do this because the competition is really harsh in the industry. marketing can be in any form and just any casino will do it just to make their platform popular.

That is exactly what I am thinking, people like us take a look at this and we cannot help thinking there is something wrong with it, but when you see that everything is being done on the open then there is not much we can do with the exception of hoping that people actually do not fall for this, marketing strategies are full of examples like this thinking they are outsmarting their clients, and while this can be said about a few of them the majority will realize the intention behind this kind of advertising and never play on this casino on the first place.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 15, 2021, 12:34:32 PM

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 14, 2021, 03:09:14 PM

In my opinion, the use of such methods in attracting an audience negatively affects both the reputation of the gaming site and the streamer who, to put it mildly, misleads his viewers. Both sides are well aware of the risks associated with this kind of promotions. And how to act each decides for himself. I personally believe that such a streamer is not worthy of my attention no matter how good his content is.

People will have their choice to view or watch any streamer as they can filter by themselves. If they think that the streamer can negatively affect them, they can search for the other streamer who can educate them better. But still, the responsibility will be on the viewers, no matter how the streamer gives the information, and they need to filter the negative and use the positive thing for them. We can not deny if they give the content that may be out of what they search for.

Well, first of all, a streamer who respects his viewers simply would not agree to such a promotion. Secondly, there are many other more honest promotions and ways to attract customers. To prove that the casino deceives users will not work, so the guilty party in this scheme is streamer who knowingly deceives its viewers.

So we need to be wise when watching an ad on the internet, and we do not have to just believe in what the streamer says, especially if we do not have more information about what we search for because that can make us getting scam. If the streamer is wise, they will not just accept the offers and they will research what it needs and decide to accept it or not later. If the streamers do not know much about the ad and they accept it because of needing the money, that could be the streamer fault because he accepts the offers without doing research.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 14, 2021, 03:09:14 PM

In my opinion, the use of such methods in attracting an audience negatively affects both the reputation of the gaming site and the streamer who, to put it mildly, misleads his viewers. Both sides are well aware of the risks associated with this kind of promotions. And how to act each decides for himself. I personally believe that such a streamer is not worthy of my attention no matter how good his content is.

They are conniving to deceive new players to play in the gambling site and this should not be tolerated, streamers should be warry about doing this thing they will lose audience and subscribers for doing this, for just hundred of dollars they will sell their reputation, it's not worth it, they should be truthful and transparent, audiences are wiser now, they will not tolerate this.

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When will Losers accept that Roobet is dominating the whole gambling industry in crypto now ? This attack is surely from another drama maker and Paid of some gambling site that cannot accept defeat from the competition.

Why on all the sites in this market only Roobet that you attacked?

Get lost and Find a Job .

This has been On going for long time now so try to check other site and not just one specific .

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Quote from: btc_angela on March 12, 2021, 05:37:42 AM

It's in the grey area for me, casino's specially start up, really needs to attract new customer. And maybe this sort of fake bets or fake money could be a good tool in the beginning. But after that, they should stop promoting their casino's this way.

It's a cut throat business, you really need to think and innovate on how to market your casino. And just like any other niche market, they could use any strategy to be ahead of the competition, just saying.

It is good to start a gambling platform that way just to lure people at first and prove something to them.

But if a certain gambling website will continue doing that thing then that's really a problem here.

As there are a lot of gambling platform competitors in the internet, it is necessary to make something effective to promote or to attract customers that will help you grow. It is our own strategy or idea on how we will make our businesses or our platform to become popular and so be it but we should also know our limits in fooling people that can also affect businesses negatively.

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Quote from: seleme on March 15, 2021, 05:45:52 PM

Codeman does this, he has unlimited refills and it is kinda impossible to bust no matter how hard it is to hit. The recent viewers on Youtube videos don't have an idea about the refills and only a few guys know they have access to the button for refilling the balance by the casino. Similar cases are actual for the many streamers, watching the streams on Twitch will clear the all-raised question of why these guys always get the best hits.

In addition to Codeman there are also a few others like Drew, juicy, etc.

You're completely right. This is misleading in the sense that even if they say that they're showing both losses and wins, inevitably the highlights from their Twitch streams are going to be skewed towards big wins.

The thing is, people actually find their content entertaining. Personally, I get completely ticked off by their over the top reactions, but this question is not black and white. There is a market of consumers who are willing to watch these fake promo videos for entertainment's sake.

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It amounts to demonstration of the casino usage I guess, depends if the games are still fair or not or is every loss refunded. Its definetly supposed to be openly declared when anyone at all is sponsored while reviewing, using or commentating on a review or product. To never disclose you were sponsored in your interest of using that site would be deceptive practise yes. People will generally guess anyway if a streamer only wants to use one site
Ive had people show me a site and absolutely all traffic on the site is operated by robots and they just want me to deposit so they can close back down and disappear, in some parts this idea is common to play on people slightly naïve on the internet. Its a fine line and really any site wanting success long term would not stray too far into games not actually taking place properly, trust is hard to gain and easy to lose.

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Codeman does this, he has unlimited refills and it is kinda impossible to bust no matter how hard it is to hit. The recent viewers on Youtube videos don't have an idea about the refills and only a few guys know they have access to the button for refilling the balance by the casino. Similar cases are actual for the many streamers, watching the streams on Twitch will clear the all-raised question of why these guys always get the best hits.

Quote from: madnessteat on March 14, 2021, 03:09:14 PM

In my opinion, the use of such methods in attracting an audience negatively affects both the reputation of the gaming site and the streamer who, to put it mildly, misleads his viewers. Both sides are well aware of the risks associated with this kind of promotions. And how to act each decides for himself. I personally believe that such a streamer is not worthy of my attention no matter how good his content is.

Misleading info can cause a low reputation in the gambling community, I doubt any casino will agree with this. They pay streamers 25% of the total winning at the end of the day, so it is still a chance for viewers to claim giveaways if the streamer can get huge multipliers. Attracting the new gamblers with tricky methods are not a cup of all casinos, they will pay the price sooner or later...

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 15, 2021, 12:34:32 PM

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 14, 2021, 03:09:14 PM

In my opinion, the use of such methods in attracting an audience negatively affects both the reputation of the gaming site and the streamer who, to put it mildly, misleads his viewers. Both sides are well aware of the risks associated with this kind of promotions. And how to act each decides for himself. I personally believe that such a streamer is not worthy of my attention no matter how good his content is.

People will have their choice to view or watch any streamer as they can filter by themselves. If they think that the streamer can negatively affect them, they can search for the other streamer who can educate them better. But still, the responsibility will be on the viewers, no matter how the streamer gives the information, and they need to filter the negative and use the positive thing for them. We can not deny if they give the content that may be out of what they search for.

Well, first of all, a streamer who respects his viewers simply would not agree to such a promotion. Secondly, there are many other more honest promotions and ways to attract customers. To prove that the casino deceives users will not work, so the guilty party in this scheme is streamer who knowingly deceives its viewers.

Not only that, the site reputation maybe at risk as well but they can always deny if that's really their way of marketing. However, I find a more aggressive kind of promotion effective if they will attract real gamblers with real reward, not only for youtube but there's plenty of platform to use to gain gamblers.

The word guilty is not actually a big deal in the business of gambling, it's all about reputation and legalities.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 14, 2021, 03:09:14 PM

In my opinion, the use of such methods in attracting an audience negatively affects both the reputation of the gaming site and the streamer who, to put it mildly, misleads his viewers. Both sides are well aware of the risks associated with this kind of promotions. And how to act each decides for himself. I personally believe that such a streamer is not worthy of my attention no matter how good his content is.

People will have their choice to view or watch any streamer as they can filter by themselves. If they think that the streamer can negatively affect them, they can search for the other streamer who can educate them better. But still, the responsibility will be on the viewers, no matter how the streamer gives the information, and they need to filter the negative and use the positive thing for them. We can not deny if they give the content that may be out of what they search for.

Well, first of all, a streamer who respects his viewers simply would not agree to such a promotion. Secondly, there are many other more honest promotions and ways to attract customers. To prove that the casino deceives users will not work, so the guilty party in this scheme is streamer who knowingly deceives its viewers.

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Quote from: Mauser on March 15, 2021, 06:57:08 AM

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If they are fair in their games, I don't think that it won't matter that much, they were trying to deceive the amount of people that has been playing in their website and I think that I wouldn't mind that, maybe when the time that they are rigging their own games then that will be the time that I will be having a problem with them. But to be fair to others who don't want this kind of thing to be done, we really can't do much about it because most of the advertised gambling websites are the ones that are more reputable, what I mean by that is I am willing to trust a website that is advertising rather than those that are not doing anything to make their website known to the public.

I think it all depends on how the advertisements are being made public. If a streamer shows his winnings in a game but doesn't disclose that he is being paid by the casino he is playing in. Than there is definitely something wrong. Everybody understands that casinos need to make advertising. But they shouldn't try and fool their customers in larger probabilities of winning. It's just wrong to see a streamer win a lot of money in fake bets when everything is rigged.

Isn't that the point of those streamers playing at the casino? They get payed to play although they have to explicitly state that they are sponsored by that casino but in any other case I think that it is bad, I remember the time where some CS:GO streamers were promoting I guess or playing at a skin slot machine to encourage their fans to play not knowing that they are the owners of the website and the website was rigged for the streamers.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on March 15, 2021, 05:01:31 AM

If they are fair in their games, I don't think that it won't matter that much, they were trying to deceive the amount of people that has been playing in their website and I think that I wouldn't mind that, maybe when the time that they are rigging their own games then that will be the time that I will be having a problem with them. But to be fair to others who don't want this kind of thing to be done, we really can't do much about it because most of the advertised gambling websites are the ones that are more reputable, what I mean by that is I am willing to trust a website that is advertising rather than those that are not doing anything to make their website known to the public.

I think it all depends on how the advertisements are being made public. If a streamer shows his winnings in a game but doesn't disclose that he is being paid by the casino he is playing in. Than there is definitely something wrong. Everybody understands that casinos need to make advertising. But they shouldn't try and fool their customers in larger probabilities of winning. It's just wrong to see a streamer win a lot of money in fake bets when everything is rigged.

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If they are fair in their games, I don't think that it won't matter that much, they were trying to deceive the amount of people that has been playing in their website and I think that I wouldn't mind that, maybe when the time that they are rigging their own games then that will be the time that I will be having a problem with them. But to be fair to others who don't want this kind of thing to be done, we really can't do much about it because most of the advertised gambling websites are the ones that are more reputable, what I mean by that is I am willing to trust a website that is advertising rather than those that are not doing anything to make their website known to the public.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 15, 2021, 01:36:21 AM

Quote from: madnessteat on March 14, 2021, 03:09:14 PM

In my opinion, the use of such methods in attracting an audience negatively affects both the reputation of the gaming site and the streamer who, to put it mildly, misleads his viewers. Both sides are well aware of the risks associated with this kind of promotions. And how to act each decides for himself. I personally believe that such a streamer is not worthy of my attention no matter how good his content is.

That is if the clients/audience spot that this bets are a fake in the first place. It doesn't really matter for an average player to play even if the advertisement of the gambling website is deceiving, it has been that way for a long time and we don't care at all. Regarding the promoter, they don't really need to face the backlash because they might've not known about the fake bets in the first place but if they do so, I think that it is a matter of principle whether they are going to accept it or not.

Maybe this one will have separate impression since if the fake bets made just to deceive people that they have whales playing at them well that's not really good, but if we can see that as way of promotion and educate the gamblers about the games what they offer well we can define this as normal since many casino will provably do that just to promote there various games they have.

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Quote from: madnessteat on March 14, 2021, 03:09:14 PM

In my opinion, the use of such methods in attracting an audience negatively affects both the reputation of the gaming site and the streamer who, to put it mildly, misleads his viewers. Both sides are well aware of the risks associated with this kind of promotions. And how to act each decides for himself. I personally believe that such a streamer is not worthy of my attention no matter how good his content is.

That is if the clients/audience spot that this bets are a fake in the first place. It doesn't really matter for an average player to play even if the advertisement of the gambling website is deceiving, it has been that way for a long time and we don't care at all. Regarding the promoter, they don't really need to face the backlash because they might've not known about the fake bets in the first place but if they do so, I think that it is a matter of principle whether they are going to accept it or not.

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In my opinion, the use of such methods in attracting an audience negatively affects both the reputation of the gaming site and the streamer who, to put it mildly, misleads his viewers. Both sides are well aware of the risks associated with this kind of promotions. And how to act each decides for himself. I personally believe that such a streamer is not worthy of my attention no matter how good his content is.

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