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Quote from: maxreish on March 12, 2021, 10:54:24 PM

However, this kind of advertisement will attract more players to deposit to their webaite if they see they are able to win huge like that of stremear. The only question that I am confused with is that, what if the streamer won huge using that lent bank roll? Will they give him additional payment?

No they wont really be giving out some compensations or add ups unless if the management would decide to give out some free amounts out of those big amounts but i doubt
that the advertiser itself wont really be expecting that much because he knows that those are just fake money that had been lent to him to use and no matter how big
or small or he lost it all then he wouldnt really care at all.He might really be boosted up into those time when he's winning big but those are just good into that sole particular time.
Dont expect that you would be getting paid for that even more.The contract or agreement had been final and dont expect for some changes.

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Quote from: maxreish on March 12, 2021, 10:54:24 PM

However, this kind of advertisement will attract more players to deposit to their webaite if they see they are able to win huge like that of stremear. The only question that I am confused with is that, what if the streamer won huge using that lent bank roll? Will they give him additional payment?

With fake money he will win fake bank roll ))

In such cases streamer gets his payment separated from the game balance. Because noone is stupid enough to risk his money in dice or slots.
There also a second way: When we have tournament, players vs players, some people can be paid with initial buy in, and if they will win something they will take it all. But as i previously said, this works only in tournaments.

And yeah, every casino has some paid players with fake bets, just to attract more players

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I guess that all casinos need a bit of boosting to attract higher bets and more users. On this case, it seems that the streamer is kind of playing the role of the house with the houses money. Even if the practice is doubtful, it does not really seem illegal.

There is a similar trick from traders that would sell you their method. They open 10 or 20 accounts and they will only show you the ones that made outstanding results.

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Quote from: Genemind on March 18, 2021, 04:47:39 AM

It's a marketing strategy, some platforms are paying streamers or vloggers to promote their site. I think it is an effective marketing strategy especially if they pay famous streamers to use their platform for streaming. Roobet is already established, and it won't be. Problem of they are using such marketing strategy, we all know how trusted and how legitimate the site is.

The competition if casino online business was definitely hard and in fact there are many new casino online gambling platform. So using streamer, gamer or gambler especially well known personality in the digital marketing is an additional points that the online casino they are promoting can attract gamblers or simply a marketing strategy. But knowing that this fake bets are being stream by the endorser or streamer i guess this might be something wrong. Hence, if it's fake then the streamer were being fall out as victim also.

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Quote from: matchi2011 on March 19, 2021, 05:33:07 AM

Experienced gamblers understand how the site manage to deal with every advertising campaign the house are doing, it's the person
itself who are in control, every amount you use from this activity is liable to your own decisions not with anyone.

Absolutely, we know the different kinds of advertising and because we still trust the gambling site, we are loyal to them. The only most important thing is to ensure that we are playing an honest site, a provably fair on all their games and that they process your withdrawals right away.

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Quote from: slaman29 on March 19, 2021, 02:05:56 AM

Oh I had no idea this was happening with Roo, but I'm not surprised nor should anyone be. Have you ever seen those mobile ad games showing people "win" a lot of money on slots? I mean come on who records people playing mobile games coincidentally at the time they won all that money?

Of course it's not real and it's sponsorship money.

Is it wrong? I don't think so. But is it misleading? I think so.

Probably not illegal though:)

The logic there is they managed to gain attentions using those streamers. Unethical but it's part of the marketing and everything
wil ends up with gamblers knowledge about the site they are playing.

Experienced gamblers understand how the site manage to deal with every advertising campaign the house are doing, it's the person
itself who are in control, every amount you use from this activity is liable to your own decisions not with anyone.

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

In my personal opinion, this sort of marketing is highly deceiving and dishonest. Roobet (and other casinos) are inflating their systems with fake bets, pretending to be more popular than they really are. This is a loss for both, legit sites that don't want to inflate their numbers, and legit streamers who don't want to participate in the circus of fake bets and fake reactions.

What do you think?

Well, you said it yourself and I have nothing much more to add, except that maybe dishonest and deceiving won't be enough and do the job here and "Shady" would be a better choice of word here.

I understand that every new gambling website would have a very hard time to attract users due to the big competition that is going on, but there are more honest ways of gaining new users if they're willing to put some work and time into it, it's true that your casino won't grow as fast but it will do the job just fine if your casino website is working as intended and doesn't have any considerable issue/bug.

But then again if someone is naive enough to get fooled by such fake activities and some random streamer that got paid big promoting it, then they maybe they have to lose some money one time at least, so that next time don't pay attention to these factors while there are way better ways to check the legitimacy and traffic of casino websites.

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Quote from: Ucy on March 18, 2021, 04:56:29 AM

Stopped at B and I think it's the most interesting one for me so far .
I see number problems with such method of marketing. I will just list two in summary:
1. the casino probably trying to send a message to customers that they have to keep betting in order to be lucky. But this doesn't guarantee winning to a bettor, who is gambling in this case (depending on financial status of the bettor) before he goes into financial ruin

2. The streamer did not take any financial risk whereas he/she is encouraging viewers to take big risk (gamble) to be able to win, and there is no guarantee the viewers will win if they take such risk the streamer is encouraging them to take.

Both likely qualify as marketing deception or scam.

Strange conclusion. Do you judge the audience as completely devoid of intelligence and some knowledge of the persons? Everyone knows how a casino works, if not, then this information is open and you can familiarize yourself with it at any time. You are trying to shift the responsibility of people for their actions to advertising, this is a very wrong approach.

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Quote from: Genemind on March 18, 2021, 04:47:39 AM

It's a marketing strategy, some platforms are paying streamers or vloggers to promote their site. I think it is an effective marketing strategy especially if they pay famous streamers to use their platform for streaming. Roobet is already established, and it won't be. Problem of they are using such marketing strategy, we all know how trusted and how legitimate the site is.

We are wearing signatures, and we are paid for that... don't you think that streamers and bloggers can add banners, avatars, and other promotional stuff, and get paid for that! Like this site is giving money to people to show how it's possible to win big on their site! This is not fair I think, you are deceiving people... those bets are not real, and those wins are not real!

Like some other members said, this is in the gray area... and in my opinion, it's more bad than good, but I guess each of us can see it differently! Bottom line is that bets are fake, and their winning is fake... fake marketing is not good marketing!

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 09:01:08 AM

I'm just disappointed.

I've been under the impression that this community is very efficient at imposing self-regulation by not supporting shady operators. It's disappointing to see how warmly the Bitcointalk community treats Roobet, despite them very clearly trying to take advantage of you by immoral means.

I'm glad that the community has at least some standards these days -- For example, they're very quick to call out and shoo away gambling sites that are not provably fair. However, in my opinion, the bar is still really low.

I suppose it just turned into a subjective opinion since the way roobet does this is kind of like a gray area for most people. Some think of it like its just market advertisement (I for one think as well, but I don't particularly check any ads and I just chose roobet since its there), and some hold the same opinion as you, but without any proper proof it can't really be argued as something wrong. The disclaimers that streamers put out are there for a reason, so that consumers wouldn't be able to point their fingers to streamers and the casino, probably like what you're doing right now. It's not wrong imo, but you're also not wrong. Most people just don't give a damn about properly reading into what happens with content creators and their sponsorships and just enjoy them, scripted or not.

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Oh I had no idea this was happening with Roo, but I'm not surprised nor should anyone be. Have you ever seen those mobile ad games showing people "win" a lot of money on slots? I mean come on who records people playing mobile games coincidentally at the time they won all that money?

Of course it's not real and it's sponsorship money.

Is it wrong? I don't think so. But is it misleading? I think so.

Probably not illegal though:)

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Quote from: uneng on March 17, 2021, 10:35:11 PM

Well, since it's explained on the video's description I think it's debatable, because in fact nobody should be deceived if all informations are there, right? But at same time the casino and the streamer are malicious to use this as marketing hoping to get the attention (and the money) of the fools around.

Although I don't think it's a positive propaganda for the casino I also don't crimizalize this. The solution for gamblers is to never rely in videos like these to make their own bets. Stick to the FACTS only: house edge, terms and conditions of the promotions, requirements to withdraw, etc. Forget about idolizing people who boast too much at youtube videos because there is always a catch behind it, especially when money is the subject.

Well the thing is that this is done because it works, lets just forget a little bit about this and watch any ad that airs on TV, do you see the ad sticking to the facts of the product being promoted? Of course not, the ad tries to entertain and bring your attention with all kind of messages and associations, so it is not surprising to see casinos that do the same and try to encourage gamblers to their website with ads that make it seems as if winning is easy when in fact no one won anything, at the end it is up to each gambler to determine if what they are watching has any chance of being real and if not then avoid the casino in question.

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Quote from: Genemind on March 18, 2021, 04:47:39 AM

It's a marketing strategy, some platforms are paying streamers or vloggers to promote their site. I think it is an effective marketing strategy especially if they pay famous streamers to use their platform for streaming. Roobet is already established, and it won't be. Problem of they are using such marketing strategy, we all know how trusted and how legitimate the site is.

I agree with that, you can sense that the community trust the site as most of the comment here is positive.

If they don't get the trust, you'll see a lot of posters saying that Roobet can't be trusted and they have a lot of active scam accusation.
Just like 1xbit, lol.. Anyway this strategy is working but they don't only rely on this as they surely have a lot of promotion in different sites and platforms.

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

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I'm curious to hear what the Bitcointalk community thinks about this topic;
Casinos using fake bets to attract new players.
I was surprised to learn that the vast majority of videos and streams on Roobet.com are actually fake.
Here are a couple of examples of different deal formats that casinos are making with the influencers:

A).. ..

B) Infinite refills; The casino makes an agreement with the streamer. Let's say they want to pay the streamer $50,000 for a sponsorship contract. They start giving the streamer endless $1000 refills, which the streamer is supposed to gamble with. They will repeat this process until they "win" $50,000. The streamer will pretend to be shocked and highlight this big win in all of their social media channels. However, the truth is that there were zero risks involved for the streamer, and the final outcome was already known -- It was just a matter of time.

What do you think?

Stopped at B and I think it's the most interesting one for me so far .
I see number problems with such method of marketing. I will just list two in summary:
1. the casino probably trying to send a message to customers that they have to keep betting in order to be lucky. But this doesn't guarantee winning to a bettor, who is gambling in this case (depending on financial status of the bettor) before he goes into financial ruin

2. The streamer did not take any financial risk whereas he/she is encouraging viewers to take big risk (gamble) to be able to win, and there is no guarantee the viewers will win if they take such risk the streamer is encouraging them to take.

Both likely qualify as marketing deception or scam.

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It's a marketing strategy, some platforms are paying streamers or vloggers to promote their site. I think it is an effective marketing strategy especially if they pay famous streamers to use their platform for streaming. Roobet is already established, and it won't be. Problem of they are using such marketing strategy, we all know how trusted and how legitimate the site is.

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Quote from: lienfaye on March 18, 2021, 02:23:58 AM

I'd like to think its just their way to promote their site and to attract gamblers. They might be doing this in the beginning as part of their marketing strategy, but roobet is one of the reputable gambling site nowadays and recently reached 1 billion wagers. Its just shows that many gamblers are playing and trusting them. Thus its more on strategy for their site to become popular.

Almost majority of Online Site has this strategy Mate , it is just OP has some Attacks against roobet.

If you say almost, would that mean it's the standard in crypto gambling industry?

I think OP is just sharing but anyway, I still trust roobet as I've been gambling in the site and I never face any problem.
They can make whatever gimmick they can to attract gamblers, but as long as they pay and credit your deposit, I don't see any problem with that.

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Quote from: lienfaye on March 18, 2021, 02:23:58 AM

I'd like to think its just their way to promote their site and to attract gamblers. They might be doing this in the beginning as part of their marketing strategy, but roobet is one of the reputable gambling site nowadays and recently reached 1 billion wagers. Its just shows that many gamblers are playing and trusting them. Thus its more on strategy for their site to become popular.

Almost majority of Online Site has this strategy Mate , it is just OP has some Attacks against roobet.

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BTW gamblers has their own preference to stay on a particular site hence if they are not satisfied or think that its not fair and they are cheated then they will simply leave and find another. I think we are wise enough to notice such ways to take advantage the gamblers.

Exactly , gamblers kNows what they are doing and we cannot fool them at all.

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I'd like to think its just their way to promote their site and to attract gamblers. They might be doing this in the beginning as part of their marketing strategy, but roobet is one of the reputable gambling site nowadays and recently reached 1 billion wagers. Its just shows that many gamblers are playing and trusting them. Thus its more on strategy for their site to become popular.

BTW gamblers has their own preference to stay on a particular site hence if they are not satisfied or think that its not fair and they are cheated then they will simply leave and find another. I think we are wise enough to notice such ways to take advantage the gamblers.

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It's an extensive promotion technique opted by many businesses in their intial times when they have setup their business and need more customers base to attract them.The roobet casino is owned by TekHou5 Limited have deep pocket of funds residing wih them and its their technique of promotion.They ask streamers to to bet with high amounts with coupon provided by them and win big amounts but they don't sun that amount but only a fixed payment for their uploads.Its way a attracting customers like many do.You also have chances of winning such amounts on their casino as they have probably fair script verified.The companies use extensive sales and promotions strategies just to increase their customers base.They also oragnize YouTube video review competition where streamers try to create a more advanced image of Roobet casino by faking their bets with demo account in order to win the competition its not always casino behind such uploads.These will always be there which we can't solve.

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I definitely think it’s one of the marketing strategies of these casino sites, I mean it’s one way to attract possible gamblers to their site. And I think it has been going on for a long time, the real question is can you prove if it was really faked?

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