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Quote from: Renampun on March 26, 2021, 01:33:46 PM

it's a marketing trick and it's an old trick to attracting users...
tricks like this are no longer a secret

The unfortunate fact here is people are still falling for those marketing strategy. Because of gambling industry is typically living out of new customers, they will never stop such marketing strategy to keep attracting new users. (Also we must need to remember those old customers will definitely come back to recover their losses and as per all gambler's experience no one got chances to recover their losses).

Quote from: Questat on March 26, 2021, 04:18:09 PM

I'm sure this is not strange to people who are constantly gambling and understands how the business runs, operators will always find a way to attract customers

Yes, this must be considered as their business model because even health drink manufacturers are creating advertisements like people are getting taller in a month because of their drinks but in reality that is not the case and we are simply moving them out by accepting their business model.

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Quote from: Renampun on March 26, 2021, 01:33:46 PM

Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

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What do you think?

it's a marketing trick and it's an old trick to attracting users...
tricks like this are no longer a secret, when the audience sees the video, the audience will automatically be motivated to following the streamer. from 100 viewers, there will be 30-40 viewer who tries to do what the streamer has done, this trick is successful and has proven effective in being tried in various businesses, not just gambling.

How you do give out those numbers for out of 100 where 30-40 viewers would able to be hooked up and would do the same thing?

There would be no definitely numbers on how many will be following or just ignoring once they do saw these streamers.This isnt really that rare case scenario.

Events or moves like this had been a traditional way for any businesses specially on gambling field where advertisements like these would really be launched.

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Quote from: Renampun on March 26, 2021, 01:33:46 PM

Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

...
What do you think?

it's a marketing trick and it's an old trick to attracting users...
tricks like this are no longer a secret, when the audience sees the video, the audience will automatically be motivated to following the streamer. from 100 viewers, there will be 30-40 viewer who tries to do what the streamer has done, this trick is successful and has proven effective in being tried in various businesses, not just gambling.

No doubt about that, I'm sure this is not strange to people who are constantly gambling and understands how the business runs, operators will always find a way to attract customers, though for some it's cheating but it's just an speculation and no site or business has ever been convicted for fake bets, or whatsoever kind related to it.

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Quote from: Quidat on March 25, 2021, 05:30:55 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on March 25, 2021, 05:23:05 PM

If a streamer does not use special software to distort the results of the game and the game itself in the casino that he demonstrates, then I do not see any analogy with paid comments, which are deliberately deceiving. The fact that the casino gives him money for the game and he does not risk anything does not matter.

People do really have that kind of hate when an advertiser do make use of money owned by the house itself or simply they know that it isnt theirs for them to spent on.I dont know
why people had bad impressions when it comes to that where the thing matter most is about the user experience and the possible chances that you can possibly hit when you
do play on a certain platform.People cant just really moved on if those funds are their own or been sponsored.What matter most is the fairness of the site and
the user interface and experience towards it and they should really be focusing on this one rather than on personal opinions.

Yes, even if the game is completely virtual (for fake money from the casino), then the audience in any case can evaluate the casino interface and other parameters important for them (we will assume that the house edge is approximately the same everywhere and is known in advance). I do not know what one can be angry with in such a situation and where there can be deception.

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

...
What do you think?

it's a marketing trick and it's an old trick to attracting users...
tricks like this are no longer a secret, when the audience sees the video, the audience will automatically be motivated to following the streamer. from 100 viewers, there will be 30-40 viewer who tries to do what the streamer has done, this trick is successful and has proven effective in being tried in various businesses, not just gambling.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 23, 2021, 06:30:56 PM

These fake bets are like the paid comments/reviews made on multiplier schemes. A group creates a script and promote it as a multiplier. Down on the scroller we can see number of reviews/comments stating that they've received so and so amount. Looking upon this users give a try and get fooled.

But these repeats everytime you refresh the page of a website right so you can tell easily whether its fake or not, so that shouldn't be a problem at all, besides this only applies to phishing sites right? I mean there's no way an active Gambling platform will ever use that (ehem,... maybe 1xbit)

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Quote from: Twentyonepaylots on March 25, 2021, 05:11:19 PM

On one hand this could definitely pass as a scam, on the other it could be just one marketing tactic that works well. I do not know exactly how many gambling sites and casinos do this trick, but this is fairly common in auctions and events like that. Now it is up to the player whether they awill let their basic instincts overtake their critical judgement and let themselves get finessed by these sites, but personally, I do not indulge myself in leaderboard contests as I am not a high-roller myself.

The main problem here is that if they pay some big amount of money to some known Youtuber/streamer you can not be possibly expect to get a fair review from them, so 95% of the times they're definitely will be biased which totally defeats the purpose of them giving reviews on a gambling website, I mean why would you checkout a review if you know they won't be fair.

The very same thing is happening in crypto, when someone just can create a shitty project and then pay some Youtuber to shill it for them and increase the price.

The only way to change this is that gamblers stop watching Youtube videos or checking out random tweets from people and just decide where they want to gamble based on that alone, and instead just do a little research on their own using search engines and more specially forums and different threads and make sure if they're safe to use and they're working as great as they claim it to be, there's a reason why forums are great for researching and that's because you can post negative comments/reviews without restriction as long as the thread is not self-moderated.

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Quote from: Quidat on March 25, 2021, 05:30:55 PM

People do really have that kind of hate when an advertiser do make use of money owned by the house itself or simply they know that it isnt theirs for them to spent on.I dont know
why people had bad impressions when it comes to that where the thing matter most is about the user experience and the possible chances that you can possibly hit when you
do play on a certain platform.People cant just really moved on if those funds are their own or been sponsored.What matter most is the fairness of the site and
the user interface and experience towards it and they should really be focusing on this one rather than on personal opinions.

I think the problem was that some paid streamers spend money to win money, which is brought by rigged situations between the streamer and the advertiser (from what I understood anw). It isn't really wrong for streamers to use the money paid to them to advertise the site, I mean they were paid to advertise it, ofc they'd use that money to play on it, just that I think the mentality brought about by this is that by spending the same amount that the streamer spent, users have the chance to win the same amount of money kind of thing, which is wrong for obvious reasons, and let's not mention how some situations that the situation itself is rigged by the participating parties.

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Quote from: TedMosby on March 23, 2021, 09:22:28 AM

I am not sure commenting on that situation.
something like this also happens on many platforms. not just in the gambling industry.
even your daily products will do this marketing trick.
if the platform is still paying normally, then I don't see it as a problem.
personally, I don't really care about people's bets or money.
as a gambler, I just want to make sure that the platform is paying, not a scam.

hmm, do you think it's a problem when you see an ad about your daily products that presented with some video editing technic on the tv?
also, almost all products pretending that they are the number one.

I think there are still lines that should no be crossed, for example years ago there was a discussion about the way the makeup industry promoted their products, the issue was that for the most part most of the images that showed the effects of the makeup were digitally enhanced with software like Photoshop, which meant that the supposed results their clients were expected to receive were fake, and we can say something similar about what the OP is discussing here.

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Quote from: KTChampions on March 25, 2021, 05:23:05 PM

Quote from: molsewid on March 25, 2021, 10:11:25 AM

Quote from: romero121 on March 23, 2021, 06:30:56 PM

These fake bets are like the paid comments/reviews made on multiplier schemes. A group creates a script and promote it as a multiplier. Down on the scroller we can see number of reviews/comments stating that they've received so and so amount. Looking upon this users give a try and get fooled.

It's just one of the market strategies of online gambling due to high competition arises. A sad but it's true that we used to rely on the reviews of those who experienced playing or gambling on the certain sites and we didn't also recognize which of those comments are true and which one are the fake paid reviews. And we can't blame the fake paid reviewers because they are also need that cash/payment that they can get with using their name and dignity to testify a false information.

If a streamer does not use special software to distort the results of the game and the game itself in the casino that he demonstrates, then I do not see any analogy with paid comments, which are deliberately deceiving. The fact that the casino gives him money for the game and he does not risk anything does not matter.

People do really have that kind of hate when an advertiser do make use of money owned by the house itself or simply they know that it isnt theirs for them to spent on.I dont know
why people had bad impressions when it comes to that where the thing matter most is about the user experience and the possible chances that you can possibly hit when you
do play on a certain platform.People cant just really moved on if those funds are their own or been sponsored.What matter most is the fairness of the site and
the user interface and experience towards it and they should really be focusing on this one rather than on personal opinions.

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Quote from: molsewid on March 25, 2021, 10:11:25 AM

Quote from: romero121 on March 23, 2021, 06:30:56 PM

These fake bets are like the paid comments/reviews made on multiplier schemes. A group creates a script and promote it as a multiplier. Down on the scroller we can see number of reviews/comments stating that they've received so and so amount. Looking upon this users give a try and get fooled.

It's just one of the market strategies of online gambling due to high competition arises. A sad but it's true that we used to rely on the reviews of those who experienced playing or gambling on the certain sites and we didn't also recognize which of those comments are true and which one are the fake paid reviews. And we can't blame the fake paid reviewers because they are also need that cash/payment that they can get with using their name and dignity to testify a false information.

If a streamer does not use special software to distort the results of the game and the game itself in the casino that he demonstrates, then I do not see any analogy with paid comments, which are deliberately deceiving. The fact that the casino gives him money for the game and he does not risk anything does not matter.

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On one hand this could definitely pass as a scam, on the other it could be just one marketing tactic that works well. I do not know exactly how many gambling sites and casinos do this trick, but this is fairly common in auctions and events like that. Now it is up to the player whether they awill let their basic instincts overtake their critical judgement and let themselves get finessed by these sites, but personally, I do not indulge myself in leaderboard contests as I am not a high-roller myself.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 23, 2021, 06:30:56 PM

These fake bets are like the paid comments/reviews made on multiplier schemes. A group creates a script and promote it as a multiplier. Down on the scroller we can see number of reviews/comments stating that they've received so and so amount. Looking upon this users give a try and get fooled.

It's just one of the market strategies of online gambling due to high competition arises. A sad but it's true that we used to rely on the reviews of those who experienced playing or gambling on the certain sites and we didn't also recognize which of those comments are true and which one are the fake paid reviews. And we can't blame the fake paid reviewers because they are also need that cash/payment that they can get with using their name and dignity to testify a false information.

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I don't think this is too much controversial because I saw different streamers getting support from their sponsors like the gambling platforms what are the reason? Because it's part of their marketing strategies that gives the viewers another hype experience like the player losses a lot but made a comeback so this becomes a good image too. It's not a fake bet because at the same time they have a contract and this is part of their advertisement. It's a different part of the player who uses his or her own money because at the same time still, a gamble is a gamble.

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This seems to be a pretty controversial subject, so I decided to write this blog post to expand on my thoughts on this:
https://twitter.com/CSGOEmpireV2/status/1375068884584267778

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Quote from: Noctis Connor on March 24, 2021, 08:56:56 AM

Quote from: Mauser on March 24, 2021, 08:30:11 AM

Quote from: romero121 on March 23, 2021, 06:30:56 PM

These fake bets are like the paid comments/reviews made on multiplier schemes. A group creates a script and promote it as a multiplier. Down on the scroller we can see number of reviews/comments stating that they've received so and so amount. Looking upon this users give a try and get fooled.

Yeah, there will be always people who sell their name or reputation for a bad thing. Having fake bets and gamblers is probably very common for a long time. Like the people who play the card game on the street where you need to find the queen out of 3 cards. One guy soll come and win money easily, just to attract other people to play. And once you bet your own money it will get much harder. I wish all those fake bets would be marked as such.

Well it's true since the pandemic really hit us hard some of people are looking for money that's why some of them are selling their identity just to have money well we all know that it was really illegal as in my own opinion since they having a fake bets just to attract people to play too is okay it's just like part of there advertisement i can't blame those gambling site's that doing this why because now adays it's really hard to trust one of gambling sites when you're into fake and you can easily tell that because of spam bets and spam withdrawal which is fake and directly into one wallet only.

Even if gambling industry had been hit up that bad with this pandemic situation then it isnt really just right for you to make out those kind of steps as a business owner.Yes, you can really still make money

out for those fake's but to think that it wont really be giving out a viable solution for long term.It would really be risking out your reputation and once you get caught on doing shady things then

be prepare on where your business would really be ending up when people do start to distrust your website then say good bye when you arent getting players anymore.

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Quote from: Mauser on March 24, 2021, 08:30:11 AM

Quote from: romero121 on March 23, 2021, 06:30:56 PM

These fake bets are like the paid comments/reviews made on multiplier schemes. A group creates a script and promote it as a multiplier. Down on the scroller we can see number of reviews/comments stating that they've received so and so amount. Looking upon this users give a try and get fooled.

Yeah, there will be always people who sell their name or reputation for a bad thing. Having fake bets and gamblers is probably very common for a long time. Like the people who play the card game on the street where you need to find the queen out of 3 cards. One guy soll come and win money easily, just to attract other people to play. And once you bet your own money it will get much harder. I wish all those fake bets would be marked as such.

Well it's true since the pandemic really hit us hard some of people are looking for money that's why some of them are selling their identity just to have money well we all know that it was really illegal as in my own opinion since they having a fake bets just to attract people to play too is okay it's just like part of there advertisement i can't blame those gambling site's that doing this why because now adays it's really hard to trust one of gambling sites when you're into fake and you can easily tell that because of spam bets and spam withdrawal which is fake and directly into one wallet only.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 23, 2021, 06:30:56 PM

These fake bets are like the paid comments/reviews made on multiplier schemes. A group creates a script and promote it as a multiplier. Down on the scroller we can see number of reviews/comments stating that they've received so and so amount. Looking upon this users give a try and get fooled.

Yeah, there will be always people who sell their name or reputation for a bad thing. Having fake bets and gamblers is probably very common for a long time. Like the people who play the card game on the street where you need to find the queen out of 3 cards. One guy soll come and win money easily, just to attract other people to play. And once you bet your own money it will get much harder. I wish all those fake bets would be marked as such.

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Quote from: maxreish on March 12, 2021, 10:54:24 PM

However, this kind of advertisement will attract more players to deposit to their webaite if they see they are able to win huge like that of stremear.

This happens but not to all people. Smart gamblers will always think about what will actually happen or might happen if they deposited and play on the website, people who know how really gambling works will not go in and deposit right away just because they saw someone winning chunks of money on the said site.

This is correct as I also refer above where it's up to the viewers point. Depositing money is still involved here so there will be a hesitation at first.

And to win, the gamblers themselves need to play, playing with RNG, and it doesn't mean that if the streamer is lucky, the same result will happen to others.

Worse thing to think of, not because you watch someone who won a huge amount of money means that if you try it out by yourself, you'll also get the same result. Think again and assess yourself, unless you are an avid fan who blindly follows whatever your idol is doing.

streamers got the influenced no question about it, but wise gamblers/followers value their money and they'll do their very best to avoid losing / spending a lot.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on March 24, 2021, 05:50:16 AM

Every gambling sites has it own way of marketing, and we can't provide any proof that they really are doing fake bets, then it's all going to be a theory. Also, we all know that winning in gambling is never really easy to begin with.

Some are open to and tell the people that they are using fake bets or not but some really hiding it so that there are no more further unnecessary discussion about it since this one really not a big deal to be concern of. I know its really confusing to see that done by streamers but actually the main intention is to educate and not to show the results.

Quote from: AicecreaME on March 24, 2021, 05:50:16 AM

The number of losing are always bigger than the number of winnings, because that's how it works, gambling sites wins a lot because they have a bankroll to meet every single day to keep their business running. Beating up the house is impossible especially if you're playing a luck based game like DICE.

Yes especially when we are using our very own money that's why its good not to get hook and think about having fun than trying to bet the house since it rarely happens.

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