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Quote from: imstillthebest on March 12, 2021, 07:39:58 AM

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Do you think coke zero really don’t have sugar? Cheesy

all the time i believe they dont have but i guess not anymore after you reveal the truth but what coke did was a false advert but in roobet they are honest as thier tagline honest casino because they dont hide anything from us .
ill be more mad to the casino or to the streamer that decieves the public making us believe that you can win easily in the casino that they are advertising .
im not defending roobet but im only comparing roobet to the gambling site that are guilty

Every gambling sites has it own way of marketing, and we can't provide any proof that they really are doing fake bets, then it's all going to be a theory. Also, we all know that winning in gambling is never really easy to begin with.

The number of losing are always bigger than the number of winnings, because that's how it works, gambling sites wins a lot because they have a bankroll to meet every single day to keep their business running. Beating up the house is impossible especially if you're playing a luck based game like DICE.

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Quote from: Astvile on March 23, 2021, 06:39:06 PM

Quote from: maxreish on March 12, 2021, 10:54:24 PM

The only question that I am confused with is that, what if the streamer won huge using that lent bank roll? Will they give him additional payment?

From what I've seen from many YouTubers that I watch who is being sponsored into various websites AFAIK they get to keep less than 5% of the amount they won. But surely it depends on the contract between the site owner and the content creator.

We do not know how much they won from that site because the contract will not show to the public, and only the Youtubers and the site will know. Maybe the streamer will use the other account to playing gambling on that site, so the public will not know if they win more or lose more. But I think the site pays the streamer with enough money to promote their site with good content to convince the audience.

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Quote from: Astvile on March 23, 2021, 06:39:06 PM

Quote from: maxreish on March 12, 2021, 10:54:24 PM

However, this kind of advertisement will attract more players to deposit to their webaite if they see they are able to win huge like that of stremear.

This happens but not to all people. Smart gamblers will always think about what will actually happen or might happen if they deposited and play on the website, people who know how really gambling works will not go in and deposit right away just because they saw someone winning chunks of money on the said site.

This is correct as I also refer above where it's up to the viewers point. Depositing money is still involved here so there will be a hesitation at first.

And to win, the gamblers themselves need to play, playing with RNG, and it doesn't mean that if the streamer is lucky, the same result will happen to others.

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Quote from: maxreish on March 12, 2021, 10:54:24 PM

However, this kind of advertisement will attract more players to deposit to their webaite if they see they are able to win huge like that of stremear.

This happens but not to all people. Smart gamblers will always think about what will actually happen or might happen if they deposited and play on the website, people who know how really gambling works will not go in and deposit right away just because they saw someone winning chunks of money on the said site.

Quote from: maxreish on March 12, 2021, 10:54:24 PM

The only question that I am confused with is that, what if the streamer won huge using that lent bank roll? Will they give him additional payment?

From what I've seen from many YouTubers that I watch who is being sponsored into various websites AFAIK they get to keep less than 5% of the amount they won. But surely it depends on the contract between the site owner and the content creator.

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These fake bets are like the paid comments/reviews made on multiplier schemes. A group creates a script and promote it as a multiplier. Down on the scroller we can see number of reviews/comments stating that they've received so and so amount. Looking upon this users give a try and get fooled.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on March 23, 2021, 03:23:47 PM

Advertisement or sponsorship is a bit common though in todays marketing strategy and methods because this is one of the most common ways on maximizing exposure.

It's up now to their viewers if they will buy those advertisements and sponsorships.

I know several people already know the stuff behind these sponsorships but since they support the site, they will use it no matter what. In the end, these sites know that it might affect their reputation but as long as they are legit and good to their users, the continuous support to the site will remain.

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I don't care about being fake or not related to the problem, because I will only gamble using existing gambling sites depending on my own will and not affected by promotions or other things. Not only in gambling, at least I do whatever I want it depends on my own will and not influenced by other people, so I feel that things like this will not affect me personally. But yes, if this problem really happens then things like this are very unfortunate because they have been dishonest or cheated, I hope that not many of them are cheating like this because maybe it won't change anything in their popularity or even get worse.

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Quote from: abel1337 on March 23, 2021, 01:04:48 PM

Quote from: qwertyup23 on March 23, 2021, 12:27:03 PM

Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

This issue actually became huge especially in e-sports gambling where famous YouTubers are being sponsored by gambling websites to promote such.

To give an example, in CSGO, these gambling websites sponsored YouTubers with funds provided by the owners. Unfortunately, it was alleged that these gambling websites faked and structured the video in a way that those YouTubers will experience winnings on their bets, but in fact, it was staged from the very beginning.

With your concern OP, I personally think this could mislead people and give them false information. Even with the disclaimers posted, this is very misleading from the very beginning. I do hope that they do something about this as it may affect their image in the future.

I've seen a few YouTubers that are being sponsored by certain betting sites and it's disturbing because I've noticed that most of the YouTubers are saying that the betting site they are promoting has the best odds on all betting sites which is false. The betting site I've seen most is 1xbet, unfortunately, they have a very bad reputation in this forum and all over the internet and this makes me think that those YouTubers who promoted it just want the sponsor money over their reputation. If ever their viewers got scammed by 1xbet, Their reputation could be tainted.

They wouldnt care because they would just simply give out that kind of reasoning that it is gambling which does involve risk and thats it.It wont really be affecting that much

when we do talk about reputation.I agree into what you have said that there are youtubers or influencers who doesnt really make out some research and claiming things which arent actually true.

Advertisement or sponsorship is a bit common though in todays marketing strategy and methods because this is one of the most common ways on maximizing exposure.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on March 23, 2021, 12:27:03 PM

Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

This issue actually became huge especially in e-sports gambling where famous YouTubers are being sponsored by gambling websites to promote such.

To give an example, in CSGO, these gambling websites sponsored YouTubers with funds provided by the owners. Unfortunately, it was alleged that these gambling websites faked and structured the video in a way that those YouTubers will experience winnings on their bets, but in fact, it was staged from the very beginning.

With your concern OP, I personally think this could mislead people and give them false information. Even with the disclaimers posted, this is very misleading from the very beginning. I do hope that they do something about this as it may affect their image in the future.

I've seen a few YouTubers that are being sponsored by certain betting sites and it's disturbing because I've noticed that most of the YouTubers are saying that the betting site they are promoting has the best odds on all betting sites which is false. The betting site I've seen most is 1xbet, unfortunately, they have a very bad reputation in this forum and all over the internet and this makes me think that those YouTubers who promoted it just want the sponsor money over their reputation. If ever their viewers got scammed by 1xbet, Their reputation could be tainted.

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 05:28:31 AM

This issue actually became huge especially in e-sports gambling where famous YouTubers are being sponsored by gambling websites to promote such.

To give an example, in CSGO, these gambling websites sponsored YouTubers with funds provided by the owners. Unfortunately, it was alleged that these gambling websites faked and structured the video in a way that those YouTubers will experience winnings on their bets, but in fact, it was staged from the very beginning.

With your concern OP, I personally think this could mislead people and give them false information. Even with the disclaimers posted, this is very misleading from the very beginning. I do hope that they do something about this as it may affect their image in the future.

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Casinos are working off chain so it's really hard to identify these type of bets "directly" or in a classic way.
If these bets are clearly identified like with a disclaimer or a comment well highlighted I don't see any bad initiative by the streamers.
Differently is the situation of scam attempts, where people are deceived to invest in a rigged system and streamer is aware about the scam involved.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on March 23, 2021, 06:44:11 AM

Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 09:15:23 AM

I guess that all casinos need a bit of boosting to attract higher bets and more users. On this case, it seems that the streamer is kind of playing the role of the house with the houses money. Even if the practice is doubtful, it does not really seem illegal.

There is a similar trick from traders that would sell you their method. They open 10 or 20 accounts and they will only show you the ones that made outstanding results.

Well, that is how big businesses stay in the game, I mean you still see Coca-Cola doing their advertisement right? I think that it is justified because how are you going to attract other players when you advertise that the chances of winning in this casino is so low so you have to pay, you can't do that, you have to make it more attractive and as @paxmao has said, the streamer is playing a role in the advertisement.

Yes, the streamer plays a role in the advertisement, and the gambling website knows for sure. Even if they make a fake bet, the viewers will not know that unless the streamer tells them that material is only for education. So the streamer will make a good advertisement to attract more viewers to come and watch the ad, and the rest will be up to the audience or the viewer.

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I am not sure commenting on that situation.
something like this also happens on many platforms. not just in the gambling industry.
even your daily products will do this marketing trick.
if the platform is still paying normally, then I don't see it as a problem.
personally, I don't really care about people's bets or money.
as a gambler, I just want to make sure that the platform is paying, not a scam.

hmm, do you think it's a problem when you see an ad about your daily products that presented with some video editing technic on the tv?
also, almost all products pretending that they are the number one.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 09:15:23 AM

I guess that all casinos need a bit of boosting to attract higher bets and more users. On this case, it seems that the streamer is kind of playing the role of the house with the houses money. Even if the practice is doubtful, it does not really seem illegal.

There is a similar trick from traders that would sell you their method. They open 10 or 20 accounts and they will only show you the ones that made outstanding results.

Well, that is how big businesses stay in the game, I mean you still see Coca-Cola doing their advertisement right? I think that it is justified because how are you going to attract other players when you advertise that the chances of winning in this casino is so low so you have to pay, you can't do that, you have to make it more attractive and as @paxmao has said, the streamer is playing a role in the advertisement.

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Quote from: Jemzx00 on March 23, 2021, 06:01:51 AM

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 09:15:23 AM

I guess that all casinos need a bit of boosting to attract higher bets and more users. On this case, it seems that the streamer is kind of playing the role of the house with the houses money. Even if the practice is doubtful, it does not really seem illegal.

There is a similar trick from traders that would sell you their method. They open 10 or 20 accounts and they will only show you the ones that made outstanding results.

Not illegal in which country? It won't be illegal in most of countries if it was clearly announced he is a shill but AFAIK it isn't clearly stated, therefore the house and the guy are deluding people in order to gamble their money with fake expectations on realizable returns.

That's the thing, they didn't really tell whether if it's an advertisement or an casino review which may be why it really isn't illegal. Also, somehow it is included in the description that it was sponsored which gives you the idea of the stream being rigged or rather the streamer is using a special demo account which is also the reason why they can load their account unlimited until they reached their goal.
I don't think that it's illegal as long as it won't affect their events, bonuses and other things that will affect others chances of winning. Example, an event that will reward participants for achieving 50k wagered amount which is limited to certain participants.

You seem to be right Jemzx00 according to these links from Monarch-, there are disclaimers in the description of the videos recorded from the streamings. But I'm not sure those disclaimers are clearly displayed during them. That's the gordian knot of the question in my opinion.

Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 06:21:51 AM

Absolutely.

It seems to be common knowledge by now, hence why I didn't bother to list the evidence in the starting post. But, here are a couple of things to show:
1)
Roobet video uploaded 2 days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyt-cgfKEbQ
Read the description: "All Balances you see on these videos is sponsored as part of my deal with the website."

2)
https://roobet.com/50k-pot-o-gold
Read the terms: "Sponsored funds will not reward tickets for the promotion."

If some people are still doubtful about this, I can spend some extra time to show more material. But, it should be quite obvious by now -- Pretty much all of their advertisers have somewhat admitted to gambling with monopoly money.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 09:15:23 AM

I guess that all casinos need a bit of boosting to attract higher bets and more users. On this case, it seems that the streamer is kind of playing the role of the house with the houses money. Even if the practice is doubtful, it does not really seem illegal.

There is a similar trick from traders that would sell you their method. They open 10 or 20 accounts and they will only show you the ones that made outstanding results.

Well, the video seems to have a description and that isn't misleading to anyone afaik, at least the description are only for those not naive gamblers that watch also the video. More like it's fall into promotions category, I wonder if the McGregor-Mayweather fight has a description says "it was just for pov money" do we think we would still watch that sh*t match? It was rigged I suppose but the promotors doesn't want us to know.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on March 23, 2021, 05:01:30 AM

Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 09:15:23 AM

I guess that all casinos need a bit of boosting to attract higher bets and more users. On this case, it seems that the streamer is kind of playing the role of the house with the houses money. Even if the practice is doubtful, it does not really seem illegal.

There is a similar trick from traders that would sell you their method. They open 10 or 20 accounts and they will only show you the ones that made outstanding results.

Not illegal in which country? It won't be illegal in most of countries if it was clearly announced he is a shill but AFAIK it isn't clearly stated, therefore the house and the guy are deluding people in order to gamble their money with fake expectations on realizable returns.

That's the thing, they didn't really tell whether if it's an advertisement or an casino review which may be why it really isn't illegal. Also, somehow it is included in the description that it was sponsored which gives you the idea of the stream being rigged or rather the streamer is using a special demo account which is also the reason why they can load their account unlimited until they reached their goal.
I don't think that it's illegal as long as it won't affect their events, bonuses and other things that will affect others chances of winning. Example, an event that will reward participants for achieving 50k wagered amount which is limited to certain participants.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 09:15:23 AM

I guess that all casinos need a bit of boosting to attract higher bets and more users. On this case, it seems that the streamer is kind of playing the role of the house with the houses money. Even if the practice is doubtful, it does not really seem illegal.

There is a similar trick from traders that would sell you their method. They open 10 or 20 accounts and they will only show you the ones that made outstanding results.

Not illegal in which country? It won't be illegal in most of countries if it was clearly announced he is a shill but AFAIK it isn't clearly stated, therefore the house and the guy are deluding people in order to gamble their money with fake expectations on realizable returns.

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^Some good providers (e.g., Pragmatic and NoLimit) offer replay functionality, so you don't have to record the whole (hours) playing section. Hence, it's possible to "recreate" the event for ads purpose without actually cheating.

However, the reaction will be fake (scripted) like any other ads out there Grin

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Quote from: slaman29 on March 19, 2021, 02:05:56 AM

Oh I had no idea this was happening with Roo, but I'm not surprised nor should anyone be. Have you ever seen those mobile ad games showing people "win" a lot of money on slots? I mean come on who records people playing mobile games coincidentally at the time they won all that money?

Of course it's not real and it's sponsorship money.

Is it wrong? I don't think so. But is it misleading? I think so.

Probably not illegal though:)

It seems that is the consensus we have reached as a community, it is obvious that something like this cannot possibly happen normally, after all how is recording themselves when they buy a lottery ticket and then they win and they have the evidence they bought the ticket? It is obvious they were expecting to win in the first place and they are recording it because they had all the intention of this eventually becoming and ad, however while we cannot do anything to stop it I still think it is misleading.

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