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Quote from: dimonstration on March 14, 2021, 11:21:05 AM

Quote from: Cling18 on March 14, 2021, 11:16:23 AM

Some gambling sites will always do advertising strategies like this to attract more players which I think its part of the business but it doesn't mean that they aren't reputable. Using paid influencers are part of the game. It's just like promoting a certain product by a popular celebrity which could attract more users and consumers. It's still for us which to trust. Being skeptical is still important on our end.

At the end of the day we were the one who will decide were to use our money, businesses will do anything for their business, having influencer and ads will attract people but only those who will not throughly research can be a victim if the casino or company is a scammer. It will be good if we were able to find a legit website with or without an influencer.

And to those who are running of some shady scheme would really be busted out sooner and later and people will really be ending up on having bad impressions to them which simply tells that casino is over.

They can do all sorts of stuffs from advertisement to promotion but they shouldnt really consider on making out some shady bets for the sake of getting users in the market.
They can make out money or profits on just giving out the best services on fairest way of things.

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Quote from: Cling18 on March 14, 2021, 11:16:23 AM

Some gambling sites will always do advertising strategies like this to attract more players which I think its part of the business but it doesn't mean that they aren't reputable. Using paid influencers are part of the game. It's just like promoting a certain product by a popular celebrity which could attract more users and consumers. It's still for us which to trust. Being skeptical is still important on our end.

At the end of the day we were the one who will decide were to use our money, businesses will do anything for their business, having influencer and ads will attract people but only those who will not throughly research can be a victim if the casino or company is a scammer. It will be good if we were able to find a legit website with or without an influencer.

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Some gambling sites will always do advertising strategies like this to attract more players which I think its part of the business but it doesn't mean that they aren't reputable. Using paid influencers are part of the game. It's just like promoting a certain product by a popular celebrity which could attract more users and consumers. It's still for us which to trust. Being skeptical is still important on our end.

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Quote from: ice098 on March 14, 2021, 09:53:21 AM

Quote from: magneto on March 13, 2021, 03:08:13 PM

I don't have a problem with streamers only getting a percentage of what they win from sponsored money. I do have a problem if the funds that they win is completely unwithdrawable.

If that was the case, their reactions are completely faked and they have no vested interest in the funds that they are gambling with. All that does is inflate volume and potentially mislead players, which can certainly qualify as dishonest behaviour.

It is something that needs to more scrutinised in the community imo. There is a fine line between fabrication of bets and running legitimate promos.

Well an endorsed was paid to endorse a product or an establishment or a business especially gambling business to promote and not to endorse the business to ruin the business name and credibility. We can't blame those endorsers if that script or the role that was given to them were scripted or something else. Well maybe our main concern here was, why those endorsers accepted the offer knowing that this might some information that would bring people to a fake info or something else right.

I neither support nor blame any problems in this case. Because I'm going to look at this from a general point of view. Marketing in the business world is very important, there are many ways that can be done to increase company value and attention from
its target market. What is, in this case, is part of the company's marketing strategy. There are many marketing approaches that have been taken, there are positive and negative sides. Even from the positive side, companies usually exaggerate their products which in fact all of them will lead to "HALF TRUTH". For me, no advertising or marketing strategy is 100% correct because there must be an element of exaggeration. For example, in a toothpaste ad, 9 out of 10 dentists say this toothpaste is the best. Yet all the advertisements say that. Can this be called fraud?

especially if this is a gambling company, which we certainly know is a very risky money circulation company. So, what we are concerned about is not the fraud in it, but how we as users are not easily provoked by the marketing strategy of any kind of company.

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I think they can give big or small balance to that streamer, and the streamer can tell that is part of the promotions. Both sides are not wrong because both want to promote the site, and if the viewers do what the streamer does, that will be the responsibility of that people because they know that is part of the promotion. If somehow, people lose their money because they use big money, people can not blame the streamer and the casino because gambling will have two option, which is won or lost,

As long as the casino does not cheat, which makes the members lose the money, that will be a mistake for the members not to take care of their money. That is why we as viewers or people who watch the promotion in many things need to be careful and always filter the bad thing that we see.

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Quote from: magneto on March 13, 2021, 03:08:13 PM

I don't have a problem with streamers only getting a percentage of what they win from sponsored money. I do have a problem if the funds that they win is completely unwithdrawable.

If that was the case, their reactions are completely faked and they have no vested interest in the funds that they are gambling with. All that does is inflate volume and potentially mislead players, which can certainly qualify as dishonest behaviour.

It is something that needs to more scrutinised in the community imo. There is a fine line between fabrication of bets and running legitimate promos.

Well an endorsed was paid to endorse a product or an establishment or a business especially gambling business to promote and not to endorse the business to ruin the business name and credibility. We can't blame those endorsers if that script or the role that was given to them were scripted or something else. Well maybe our main concern here was, why those endorsers accepted the offer knowing that this might some information that would bring people to a fake info or something else right.

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Quote from: robelneo on March 13, 2021, 08:51:22 PM

I can't remember the name but I caught a new gambling site manipulating their winning and betting stats it just won't add up, they have a lot of players playing games in their casinos but checking the traffic stat they are not yet indexed by Alexa when they should be because if these players are playing a minimum 5 minutes each one of them and the site is a week old they should be getting decent traffic.

They should not abuse it, they can post fake data but not to the point that they are exaggerating it, and make it appear that they are beating other more established gambling sites.

They do really come into that certain extent because they are really rushing up to fill some money into their pockets without even thinking that there are really
people who are really that skeptical when it comes to things or simply does have that kind of behavior where everything is really been valuated or verified out first in
all possible angles which means sooner or later they would really be busted out and when that time comes then its all over.You would really be making out some
suspicions specially if the site is just new and do really able to get lots of traffics or simply users even though the site's experience isn't justifiable.

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I can't remember the name but I caught a new gambling site manipulating their winning and betting stats it just won't add up, they have a lot of players playing games in their casinos but checking the traffic stat they are not yet indexed by Alexa when they should be because if these players are playing a minimum 5 minutes each one of them and the site is a week old they should be getting decent traffic.

They should not abuse it, they can post fake data but not to the point that they are exaggerating it, and make it appear that they are beating other more established gambling sites.

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This is a very sensitive subject, and I also don't want to blame any gambling sites. But if it is true that there are gambling platforms that are doing
promos by means of fake bets or fake money, they should stop immediately doing that. Because there will be a lot of gamblers who are
disadvantaged because of this, there are still many good ways that can be used to promote the casino. Because if we do bad things, it will end
badly too. But because doing a fake bets is not something illegal on this forum, even though I don't like promos like that. I can't do anything.

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Quote from: 2double0 on March 13, 2021, 05:11:33 PM

Op, are you trying to target roobet because they spend too much on their advertising? Because the proof can be for other websites too but you have been mentioning roobet only.

Try to read carefully what OP has posted. It's not with spendings but the way Roobet is doing some fancy streams via a streamer. Supposedly, the stream should not be fabricated nor affiliated directly to Roobet but based on what OP has shared, they are giving some fake money to bet for that streamer to be used on his session, and in the case of jackpot or big wins, that's a big attraction to those viewers.

Since it's not illegal in the first place, then up to their users if how they will react to that situation. No one scam in the process and that's more important. They just use an inappropriate trick to gather more users on the site which is not necessary for me seeing at their current status and popularity.

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I think that from the side of streamers this is a deception (if they did not warn their viewers), but from the side of the casino it is not. The casino can give even a million dollars for the game - this is an ordinary promotion, any attentive viewer will see how much money was lost before the planned win and draw conclusions.
Quite recently, by the way, Poker Stars handed out free tickets to the tournament to the top streamers of the twitch (for an ordinary participant, tickets would cost around $ 500) and the streamer had to show his participation in the tournament. Was this a scam? I think no.

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I got the picture of what OP is trying to clear and I will admit, I don't really like that action.

However, in most cases, the overall reputation of that involved site can't just be justified in that action. It's more of entertainment, well obviously as a part of promotions, but as long as the site is running legit on their operation and they are good to their service, that's what users like.

Let the community judged in their own way of how they look at that action. You already did your job opening this concern of yours and thanks for that.

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Op, are you trying to target roobet because they spend too much on their advertising? Because the proof can be for other websites too but you have been mentioning roobet only. And this is not a surprise to anyone who knows how casinos pay big to their users or some streamers to advertise their website and showcase about what is different with them that cannot be found elsewhere. I know that all these casinos have some similarities and they can't deny that as well, but small casinos opening startups every few days are a result of detached businesses or a need to give the old customers a new experience.

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I don't have a problem with streamers only getting a percentage of what they win from sponsored money. I do have a problem if the funds that they win is completely unwithdrawable.

If that was the case, their reactions are completely faked and they have no vested interest in the funds that they are gambling with. All that does is inflate volume and potentially mislead players, which can certainly qualify as dishonest behaviour.

It is something that needs to more scrutinised in the community imo. There is a fine line between fabrication of bets and running legitimate promos.

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Quote from: ralle14 on March 13, 2021, 06:39:49 AM

Quote from: maxreish on March 12, 2021, 10:54:24 PM

However, this kind of advertisement will attract more players to deposit to their webaite if they see they are able to win huge like that of stremear. The only question that I am confused with is that, what if the streamer won huge using that lent bank roll? Will they give him additional payment?

It probably depends on the type of deal but I think it's unlikely they'll get extra since big wins aren't hard to pull off given that you have tons of bankroll to blow provided by the casino.

One of the common result that you can really anticipate with larger bankroll and hitting or racking up big wins or multipliers since you arent really minding if you do lost
since you know that you have unlimited or you can ask out again if you do lost it all.Fake bets or purely house capital bets in the form of faking a player does really happen
its just hard to spot or proven out that they've been doing such shady things because you cant really determine if those are real players or just dummy ones.
One of reason on why i cant really just trust up wagering or any promotions that do talk about leaderboards or trying out to make yourself in the rankings.

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I also don't like the idea of these fake bets but like what the other posts have already mentioned, the forum can't do much about these type of content even if we're successful in driving the casino away from the forum I doubt they'll stop making these type of content since it's out of our reach.

Quote from: maxreish on March 12, 2021, 10:54:24 PM

However, this kind of advertisement will attract more players to deposit to their webaite if they see they are able to win huge like that of stremear. The only question that I am confused with is that, what if the streamer won huge using that lent bank roll? Will they give him additional payment?

It probably depends on the type of deal but I think it's unlikely they'll get extra since big wins aren't hard to pull off given that you have tons of bankroll to blow provided by the casino.

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 09:01:08 AM

I'm just disappointed.

I've been under the impression that this community is very efficient at imposing self-regulation by not supporting shady operators. It's disappointing to see how warmly the Bitcointalk community treats Roobet, despite them very clearly trying to take advantage of you by immoral means.

No one supporting anything since there are limited things that one can do utilizing this forum:

(1) Negative feedback

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Negative - You think that trading with this person is high-risk. You might also be able to add a flag.

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a) Due to various concrete red flags, I believe that anyone dealing with this user has a high risk of losing money. (This flag will only be shown to guests/newbies.)
b) This user violated a casual or implied agreement with me, resulting in damages.
c) This user violated a written contract with me, resulting in damages.

Kindly tell us which rules Roobet violates and whether the user deserves negative feedback or a flag so that the discussion can yield actionable results. If the discussion is about morality, you might start with this question: "Is gambling morally wrong?"

Also, this thread might be more suitable on the Reputation board.

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on March 12, 2021, 09:40:29 AM

Casinos and gambling should be nothing but entertainment even though I get what you are saying. I do think it's a bit unethical even if it's legal and not cheating. Because it kinda creates a fake show which can influence people to gamble their life savings.

I wonder the same actually. If even the streamer is given $50k to spend on games and entertain the viewers then it at least shows how quickly money can be lost in these games. I am sure the house edge remains the same for the player and for the streamer as well. If they are hindering the house edge for the player who streams, then it is just unethical I believe.

Quote from: kryptqnick on March 12, 2021, 10:42:54 AM

I am okay with casinos sponsoring streamers if they disclose it, that seems like a normal practice that is common not just for gambling, but for YouTube videos in general. But sponsoring to me means just giving some money so that a person makes a review or give the initial bankroll, so that the person can stream playing with this money. I've watched the video, and the guy looks like he legit won a ton of money during the stream.

Yes and some youtubers or streamers will cut out the clippings of the big wins and then show them while hiding the ones where they lost which creates an illusion like the slot is working on a negative RTP. I don't like this either but nothing to verify if they are losing their own money or just paid by the casino to create the hype and get more players to the site.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on March 12, 2021, 06:27:52 AM

That is paid adverts which is included on streamer disclaimer and that is a common practice on advertisement.

Read the thread again. It is not about paying the streamer. It's about the videos that shows that they are risking real money, but in fact they aren't, hence misleading users. The streamers are NOT given any real money to gamble on the site. They are given fake $10,000. So they aren't risking anything. All they are doing is placing "fake" bets on the site and increasing the bet volume.

Quote from: Coin_trader on March 12, 2021, 06:27:52 AM

The streamer is not doing a casino review so don’t expect that they will post an honest feedback.

So you are saying that they can post fake feedbacks because the casino is paying them to do so?

Quote from: Coin_trader on March 12, 2021, 06:27:52 AM

The streamer agree to that terms of advertisement for entertainment purpose only and not for an honest feedback review.

Again, paid for making fake review? Right, now that's questionable.

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Quote from: Monarch- on March 12, 2021, 06:21:51 AM

If some people are still doubtful about this, I can spend some extra time to show more material. But, it should be quite obvious by now -- Pretty much all of their advertisers have somewhat admitted to gambling with monopoly money.

Advertisers.
I think that's the point of why they do this kind of act.
It's just simply to promote it. Yeah, they might be refilling their balances endlessly but I think the purpose is to showcase that those winning amounts are possible.
I am not defending Roobet but more like defending the advertisers here.
It's a job and they must do whatever is told to them. Although there should be limits.

The same goes with shampoo commercials that don't really make your hair shine.
But look, they still keep on telling people the same thing decades ago even until now.

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