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June 29, 2022, 08:48:55 PM
Argentina's last championship in the World Cup was in 1986. By saying this I would like to bring the topic to Messi's not winning any World Cup with his national team yet. When it comes to whether he deserves a World Cup championship I'd say that he definitely deserves with his own performance. He has tried his best so far to carry Argentina to successes. Their closest moment to the championship was in the 2014 finale but Germany defeated them by 1-0. Messi must be still targeting to win a World Cup before his retirement and they don't have a small chance in this one.
One big difference between Maradona's era and the current era is the level of professionalism. It was far easier back in the 80s for one exceptional player to carry a team, as Maradona did particularly in Italia 90. Nowadays teams are a lot more professional, with better tactics, better fitness etc... and it's tougher even for the best player in the world to make the same difference. Messi is certainly at the Maradona level, it's just that the opposition has improved.

It is a dream for a lot of people to see the world cup being lifted by Lionel Messi. A lot of people including Lionel Messi have been waiting for that for a long time. they also became very close but they eventually got beaten by Germany in the finals. That was a golden chance for them. After that Argentina did not have good enough chances to even get close to the finals of the world cup.

It is true that compared to the 80s all the teams have been playing really well and all the teams have improved. It is quite impossible nowadays for only one player to carry the whole team behind his back.
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June 29, 2022, 06:32:44 PM
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One big difference between Maradona's era and the current era is the level of professionalism. It was far easier back in the 80s for one exceptional player to carry a team, as Maradona did particularly in Italia 90. Nowadays teams are a lot more professional, with better tactics, better fitness etc... and it's tougher even for the best player in the world to make the same difference. Messi is certainly at the Maradona level, it's just that the opposition has improved.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Messi has made very similar goals to the iconic ones from Maradona that everyone remembers. I would even say that Messi has better technical skills than Maradona.

But still I wouldn't say Messi is at the iconic level of Maradona.

That's why Messi is one of the best players in the world, but Maradona is remembered as D10S (God).
I love the word professionalism in comparing Maradona's era to the current era. Maradona remains an Icon in the history of soccer. During Maradona's era there were no much technology to assist referees and linesman so carrying a team was much easier compared to this present era where AI has taken over everything on the pitch even down to goal line technology. It is more difficult now because of the high level of tactics. If Maradona was in this present era he would have still done better but not with the might he used in the 80s
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June 29, 2022, 06:20:30 PM
Argentina's last championship in the World Cup was in 1986. By saying this I would like to bring the topic to Messi's not winning any World Cup with his national team yet. When it comes to whether he deserves a World Cup championship I'd say that he definitely deserves with his own performance. He has tried his best so far to carry Argentina to successes. Their closest moment to the championship was in the 2014 finale but Germany defeated them by 1-0. Messi must be still targeting to win a World Cup before his retirement and they don't have a small chance in this one.

One big difference between Maradona's era and the current era is the level of professionalism. It was far easier back in the 80s for one exceptional player to carry a team, as Maradona did particularly in Italia 90. Nowadays teams are a lot more professional, with better tactics, better fitness etc... and it's tougher even for the best player in the world to make the same difference. Messi is certainly at the Maradona level, it's just that the opposition has improved.
It's true, changes in terms of rules are also now more updated and indeed in terms of sophistication it is also currently very good so it's very different especially indeed for some styles of play it's clear when looking at the 90's era or below it's clear they have a classic style of play and this is no longer found in the Modern Era now especially now relying more on speed and high tension in contrast to a few decades ago.
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June 29, 2022, 06:09:36 PM
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One big difference between Maradona's era and the current era is the level of professionalism. It was far easier back in the 80s for one exceptional player to carry a team, as Maradona did particularly in Italia 90. Nowadays teams are a lot more professional, with better tactics, better fitness etc... and it's tougher even for the best player in the world to make the same difference. Messi is certainly at the Maradona level, it's just that the opposition has improved.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Messi has made very similar goals to the iconic ones from Maradona that everyone remembers. I would even say that Messi has better technical skills than Maradona.

But still I wouldn't say Messi is at the iconic level of Maradona.

That's why Messi is one of the best players in the world, but Maradona is remembered as D10S (God).
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June 29, 2022, 10:24:34 AM
Argentina's last championship in the World Cup was in 1986. By saying this I would like to bring the topic to Messi's not winning any World Cup with his national team yet. When it comes to whether he deserves a World Cup championship I'd say that he definitely deserves with his own performance. He has tried his best so far to carry Argentina to successes. Their closest moment to the championship was in the 2014 finale but Germany defeated them by 1-0. Messi must be still targeting to win a World Cup before his retirement and they don't have a small chance in this one.

One big difference between Maradona's era and the current era is the level of professionalism. It was far easier back in the 80s for one exceptional player to carry a team, as Maradona did particularly in Italia 90. Nowadays teams are a lot more professional, with better tactics, better fitness etc... and it's tougher even for the best player in the world to make the same difference. Messi is certainly at the Maradona level, it's just that the opposition has improved.
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June 29, 2022, 09:54:53 AM
This means that the final for the World Cup 2022 can actually be Brazil vs Argentina, both teams have been defeated zero times so far.
The current situation is different, you are too sure Brazil vs Argentina will go to the final, the match hasn't even started yet how do you say that, what if the opposite happened, brazil vs argentina did not enter the final this time, I'm sure they will stay away.

What if the next world cup in Qatar 2022, which entered the final was taken by France vs. England, for the Brazil vs Argentina team no, are you sure about that, I'm not sure myself, I think the situation is reversed this time, don't rely on the last Euro 2020, that's a different story, their world cup has the best players, all countries want to do whatever it takes to win the world cup, on the field will prove the problem of the semi-finals and finals of the 2022 world cup.
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June 29, 2022, 09:24:01 AM
Absolutely.

It will be an amazing World Cup.

My guess is that these teams will perform extremely well:

Netherlands, England, Argentina, France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Brazil, Uruguay.

Man, it's going to be a very competitive tournament!

You named 9 teams  Grin It is clear that with some of them you will guess success, but even mathematically it is clear that all of them cannot reach the final and even the semi-finals. Someone will definitely be eliminated in the earlier stages and it turns out that their performance will be a failure. At the same time, I do not argue with the fact that the team can be very good, but this does not guarantee success.
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June 29, 2022, 06:36:41 AM
Argentina's last championship in the World Cup was in 1986. By saying this I would like to bring the topic to Messi's not winning any World Cup with his national team yet. When it comes to whether he deserves a World Cup championship I'd say that he definitely deserves with his own performance. He has tried his best so far to carry Argentina to successes. Their closest moment to the championship was in the 2014 finale but Germany defeated them by 1-0. Messi must be still targeting to win a World Cup before his retirement and they don't have a small chance in this one.
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June 29, 2022, 01:31:50 AM
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I don't think, Argentina will miss this world cup title because their players always take this world cup competition serious than any other competition. Based on their passed performance showed that no team can defeat Argentina because their defense and midfield is very strong, which will be difficult for any team to achieve  goal. Many teams are also preparing for this world cup but it will be difficult for them to achieve  the title, because Argentina know how to achieve victory from all those teams in world cup competition.

Yeah, but Messi is not Maradona  Grin

Argentina will be close, but my guess is that they will not win this World Cup.

But who knows, many surprises can happen... Italy didn't even qualify this time!
Regardless, everything is still possible, but Messi's chances of becoming a champion are still difficult now. I personally will still choose Brazil for now if you look at the results of the qualifiers because indeed they are now back to being a scary team after a few titles they are just a joke.
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June 29, 2022, 01:28:33 AM
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I don't think, Argentina will miss this world cup title because their players always take this world cup competition serious than any other competition. Based on their passed performance showed that no team can defeat Argentina because their defense and midfield is very strong, which will be difficult for any team to achieve  goal. Many teams are also preparing for this world cup but it will be difficult for them to achieve  the title, because Argentina know how to achieve victory from all those teams in world cup competition.

Yeah, but Messi is not Maradona  Grin

Argentina will be close, but my guess is that they will not win this World Cup.

But who knows, many surprises can happen... Italy didn't even qualify this time!
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June 28, 2022, 11:30:26 PM
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This world cup will be tough and different , the team that can win the cup maybe a team that no one will expect a win from now. I'm not sure if Argentina can win the Cup this time around,  their other tough teams who are very prepared to see they take cup .

I don't think, Argentina will miss this world cup title because their players always take this world cup competition serious than any other competition. Based on their passed performance showed that no team can defeat Argentina because their defense and midfield is very strong, which will be difficult for any team to achieve  goal. Many teams are also preparing for this world cup but it will be difficult for them to achieve  the title, because Argentina know how to achieve victory from all those teams in world cup competition.
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June 28, 2022, 11:15:22 PM
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Major European teams can knock out Brazil. When I remember the match in which Germany scored 7 goals against Brazil, I think that a tournament where every possibility is waiting for us. For the World Cup, I see France, Brazil, Netherlands and Argentina as favorites on paper.

Absolutely.

It will be an amazing World Cup.

My guess is that these teams will perform extremely well:

Netherlands, England, Argentina, France, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Brazil, Uruguay.

Man, it's going to be a very competitive tournament!
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June 28, 2022, 10:48:20 PM
Here are the groups for the World Cup:

The Final will have one team from the top row and one from the bottom row.

This means that the final for the World Cup 2022 can actually be Brazil vs Argentina, both teams have been defeated zero times so far.

That would be an incredible final.
Good guess, but I think France or England have a better chance of facing Brazil in the final. But Brazil also need to beat Belgium, Germany or Spain. I think there are a lot of favourites for the final match, but certainly Brazil is the main one. Also, we must not forget that surprises often happen in big championships.

Major European teams can knock out Brazil. When I remember the match in which Germany scored 7 goals against Brazil, I think that a tournament where every possibility is waiting for us. For the World Cup, I see France, Brazil, Netherlands and Argentina as favorites on paper.
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Here are the groups for the World Cup:



The Final will have one team from the top row and one from the bottom row.

This means that the final for the World Cup 2022 can actually be Brazil vs Argentina, both teams have been defeated zero times so far.

That would be an incredible final.
Thanks for sharing that image with us @nullama

Some groups will be easy games, others can be extremely fierce!

I confess... Brazil vs Argentina is a possibility to be considered!

Let's see how the strongest teams will behave in this group stage
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June 28, 2022, 01:50:45 PM
Here are the groups for the World Cup:



The Final will have one team from the top row and one from the bottom row.

This means that the final for the World Cup 2022 can actually be Brazil vs Argentina, both teams have been defeated zero times so far.

That would be an incredible final.

I am almost 100% sure that there will be two European teams in the final. Brazil - Argentina is a loud sign in terms of history, but in my opinion now you can make at least 5-6 pairs without these teams that will be most interesting. In the end, there is a separate cup for this couple (America's Cup) and some European teams rarely meet, especially in the finals.
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June 28, 2022, 01:38:45 PM
Seeing their journey and ability in the Copa America some time ago could be a reason for us to favorite Brazil and Argentina as the 2022 world cup champions, but I don't think we can forget Spain which also has a young and strong squad as champions competitors, but to be honest from the depth of the existing squad I prefer to make Belgia as my favourite, even though they have now dropped to FIFA 2nd place but the current Belgian squad is quite capable besides that they also get relatively easy opponents in the group phase.
Brazil has a very good squad that is capable of competing favorably for the world cup trophy. But I cannot say the same for the Argentine side. Most of Argentina's key players are getting old, hence they might not be very strong in the world Cup. The Belgian side is not as strong as they were last four years. They drew with a lowly rated Wales and lost woefully to the Netherlands in the European Nation's league. They might be able to get to the quarter finals because they are not currently strong enough to lift the world.     
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June 28, 2022, 01:18:38 PM
Here are the groups for the World Cup:

The Final will have one team from the top row and one from the bottom row.

This means that the final for the World Cup 2022 can actually be Brazil vs Argentina, both teams have been defeated zero times so far.

That would be an incredible final.
Good guess, but I think France or England have a better chance of facing Brazil in the final. But Brazil also need to beat Belgium, Germany or Spain. I think there are a lot of favourites for the final match, but certainly Brazil is the main one. Also, we must not forget that surprises often happen in big championships.
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June 28, 2022, 12:52:34 PM
yes I agree with you, there are many young talents in other national teams.  and this will be an event that we are very much looking forward to. 
speaking of messi, however he deserves attention with the skills he has.  he is a natural and brilliant player i am one of his fans as well as argentina, even though in 2014 messi couldn't bring his country to win at least being runner up is nothing to be ashamed of.  by the way I can't wait for every game of this world cup. 
I support two countries Germany and Argentina

For me apart from Germany and Argentina, Brazil is also my favorite but this time I have to admit that Brazil is not in a position to win the worldcup. More sad aspect of this worldcup is that its the last worldcup of Messi and Ronaldo, so we won't see them again.
Seeing their journey and ability in the Copa America some time ago could be a reason for us to favorite Brazil and Argentina as the 2022 world cup champions, but I don't think we can forget Spain which also has a young and strong squad as champions competitors, but to be honest from the depth of the existing squad I prefer to make Belgia as my favourite, even though they have now dropped to FIFA 2nd place but the current Belgian squad is quite capable besides that they also get relatively easy opponents in the group phase.
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June 28, 2022, 12:28:41 PM
I don’t think that their age will matter much because these player’s have shown that they can yet perform at the highest level, plus with all the experience behind them they’ll definitely be an asset for their team and help the youngsters settle in too. Lastly I don’t fancy Brazil winning it because I feel that they’ll choke when it’ll matter the most, hence in my personal opinion they won’t be winning the World Cup.

Well.. I have the same opinion about Brazil as well. When it matters the most, they fail to win matches. Brazil is being regarded as the strongest team by many. And yet, the last time they won the world cup was two decades back (2002 edition, hosted by South Korea and Japan). And last time in 2018, they had a horrendous tournament, and they were defeated by Belgium during the Quarter-final stage. And back then they had a star studded team, with players such as Neymar, Willian, Fred and Paulinho.
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June 28, 2022, 03:11:54 AM
yes I agree with you, there are many young talents in other national teams.  and this will be an event that we are very much looking forward to. 
speaking of messi, however he deserves attention with the skills he has.  he is a natural and brilliant player i am one of his fans as well as argentina, even though in 2014 messi couldn't bring his country to win at least being runner up is nothing to be ashamed of.  by the way I can't wait for every game of this world cup. 
I support two countries Germany and Argentina
For me apart from Germany and Argentina, Brazil is also my favorite but this time I have to admit that Brazil is not in a position to win the worldcup. More sad aspect of this worldcup is that its the last worldcup of Messi and Ronaldo, so we won't see them again.
Talk is going more heated as we are heading for next world cup which is going to play in November in this year in Qatar mean first time in the Middle East which is very interesting for world because it is very small country, and we already have too much negative news about this selection which mostly talked they have this hosting due to bribers which were offered to few persons but now all end, and we are starting to talk who is going to win because it is very interesting event with too many teams are favourite and few are having very skilled and quality players those are capable of changing things very drastically but right now peoples having own favourites and mostly loved Brazil, Argentina, Germany and France instead of favourite from Bookmakers.
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