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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 25, 2023, 10:24:33 PM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 25, 2023, 03:05:34 PM

Indeed but the standards in European are not the same as in other Asian countries, for example as far as I know in most of the countries in Europa you won't have a problem if you drink alcohol in public but that's not allowed in Qatar.
I was hoping to see Qatar change some rules or at least make some expectations for the people who visit this country during the world cup.

Europe and Qatar both have their own advantages and disadvantages. One good thing with Qatar is that it is very easy to get a tourist visa. But apart from that, there were a lot of negatives. Hotel prices were extremely high and they changed the rules at the last minute restricting alcohol only to those holding the highest tier tickets. Also, there were a lot of restrictions in place for LGBT and unmarried couples. In Europe the only issue as far as I can see is regarding the visa. Higher crime rate is also a concern.

As Qatar is a predominantly Muslim country, certain restrictions were imposed on traveling to their country but no one had any trouble getting a Qatar tourist visa and got the tourist visa easily. But the things that were banned in Qatar were homosexuality, extramarital affairs, alcohol, and certain size clothing for girls, but in Europe there is no such problem, but the big problem in Europe is the visa. There are many processes to go through to get a tourist visa for traveling to Europe which is very difficult and most of the tourist visas are usually rejected. If the visa complications could be eased for those who will enjoy the football match directly in the stadium, then the football lovers would not have to struggle so much to get a European visa.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 25, 2023, 10:24:33 PM

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Europe and Qatar both have their own advantages and disadvantages. One good thing with Qatar is that it is very easy to get a tourist visa. But apart from that, there were a lot of negatives. Hotel prices were extremely high and they changed the rules at the last minute restricting alcohol only to those holding the highest tier tickets. Also, there were a lot of restrictions in place for LGBT and unmarried couples. In Europe the only issue as far as I can see is regarding the visa. Higher crime rate is also a concern.

The football level of Qatar is very low though, in my opinion it should not have been hosted there because the team lowered the quality of the tournament.

In the next world cup we will probably see a lower level of football because now many countries will be able to qualify.

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Quote from: ancafe on July 25, 2023, 10:02:38 PM

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However, it's always better to have the host team to play so that you get to see the full might of a world cup tournament. Not sure how much USA fans care about football, they have a different type of football there, so maybe it won't be too many fans but I am sure all the people around the world would love to go there if they can, it's the land of the free, and will be better.

The United States does have other sports besides football, but football has also developed rapidly there, so that the enthusiasm of the people there is also great about their team competing in the world cup, let alone being able to give satisfactory results. The world cup is also a concern for many people in all corners of the world, apart from football activities and there are many other things that can benefit the host because it might talk about the huge flow of money during the world cup process going on.

Recently I see more people say the USA shouldn't host the 2026 world cup because they think in the USA there are other sports than football and there is more interest in other sports than football in the USA. While we all know America hosted the World Cup before and they were hosting it perfectly while stadiums were always full of the fans.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 25, 2023, 03:05:34 PM

Indeed but the standards in European are not the same as in other Asian countries, for example as far as I know in most of the countries in Europa you won't have a problem if you drink alcohol in public but that's not allowed in Qatar.
I was hoping to see Qatar change some rules or at least make some expectations for the people who visit this country during the world cup.

Europe and Qatar both have their own advantages and disadvantages. One good thing with Qatar is that it is very easy to get a tourist visa. But apart from that, there were a lot of negatives. Hotel prices were extremely high and they changed the rules at the last minute restricting alcohol only to those holding the highest tier tickets. Also, there were a lot of restrictions in place for LGBT and unmarried couples. In Europe the only issue as far as I can see is regarding the visa. Higher crime rate is also a concern.

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Quote from: bitgolden on July 25, 2023, 12:54:01 PM

I feel like it would be fair to let the teams that host have some advantage but also not give them automatic group stages as well. Give them some higher chance to be qualifying for the position, I do not know what would be the chance, but let them have a higher chance and that would be lovely but after that let them also have a potential to be not there as well.

That complies with what is stated in the FIFA rules and providing an automatic qualification opportunity could give an advantage to the hosts who have been preparing for a successful World Cup run. After that they will determine the fate of their country through matches and whether or not they qualify for the next round is largely determined by the quality of the players they have.

Quote from: bitgolden on July 25, 2023, 12:54:01 PM

However, it's always better to have the host team to play so that you get to see the full might of a world cup tournament. Not sure how much USA fans care about football, they have a different type of football there, so maybe it won't be too many fans but I am sure all the people around the world would love to go there if they can, it's the land of the free, and will be better.

The United States does have other sports besides football, but football has also developed rapidly there, so that the enthusiasm of the people there is also great about their team competing in the world cup, let alone being able to give satisfactory results. The world cup is also a concern for many people in all corners of the world, apart from football activities and there are many other things that can benefit the host because it might talk about the huge flow of money during the world cup process going on.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 25, 2023, 07:40:05 AM

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 24, 2023, 01:30:09 AM

If we look at things from a positive perspective, then we will see something positive, conversely, if we look at things from a negative perspective, then all we will see is the negative. It's the same with the World Cup, I would say there is no perfect World Cup without any problems or anything like that. So it's just a matter of how we look at it.
I agree with you that each country has its own characteristics, we can't compare the World Cup held in country A with the World Cup held in country B, because those are 2 different countries. It might make more sense to compare World Cups held in the same country in different editions.

I would say world cup without any problems is one thing, but world cup with a ton of problems is another. Qatar one never felt like a true world cup to me, not because of any religious stuff but because not that many fans went there, that's the biggest issue. I mean normally what I understand from world cup is that when Brazil is playing, there will be tens of thousands of brazil fans cheering on the stadium, and when France does then French ones.

When you look at Qatar world cup, you will see that it was like made for the Qatari people and it was mostly them that was watching it and that's an issue if you ask me. It is not made for a nation, it's made for every nation, and if there aren't tens of thousands of fans of that nation there, then it makes no sense.

The biggest problem we had in Qatar was the lack of freedom and we all knew Qatar couldn't be a good host mostly because of the rules they have. We know Qatar as a Muslim country where you are not allowed to during in some places and in the other hand this country is very rich-friendly, which means if you have the money you can do anything you want, otherwise you should respect all the rules and you won't have freedom there.

That is the same in any country,even in the most well developed western society money can bypass laws and this is a big flaw of the human population in the world,corruption is everywhere and people are bribed commonly through rich persons to persuade them to give them what they want.Qatar has no difference in this,even in the most difficult country regarding rules which is Saudi Arabia with the right acquaintance you can open doors there too,so in this context the World Cup was let's say normal even in Qatar but of course in USA will be much better.

Indeed but the standards in European are not the same as in other Asian countries, for example as far as I know in most of the countries in Europa you won't have a problem if you drink alcohol in public but that's not allowed in Qatar.
I was hoping to see Qatar change some rules or at least make some expectations for the people who visit this country during the world cup.

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Quote from: ancafe on July 25, 2023, 12:43:50 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 24, 2023, 08:40:25 PM

Well.. that is the point. For the next world cup in 2026, the defending champions need to go through the qualification route, while the three hosts would be given automatic qualification. I can understand if the United States is being given direct entry, because they are hosting more than 80% of the matches. But then what is the point in giving automatic entry for teams like Canada, who are going to host just 10 out of the total 104 matches? And it is so unfair to the other teams in CONCACAF, such as Costa Rica, Panama and Jamaica.

Only the hosts benefit because they qualify automatically, but what's the point if the hosts are not able to qualify for the next round via grub, like the previous world cup in Qatar and they only played until the grub preliminary round because they were unable to collect points to qualify for the next round. Argentina has no problem in terms of qualifying, because they have great players and have always been able to get through the qualifying preliminary phase.

The organizers have the rules in place and although in our opinion there is no point in giving Canada the opportunity to qualify automatically, they do have an assessment that is adjusted to the rules of holding the next world cup match. So like it or not, that's the rule that will probably apply.

I feel like it would be fair to let the teams that host have some advantage but also not give them automatic group stages as well. Give them some higher chance to be qualifying for the position, I do not know what would be the chance, but let them have a higher chance and that would be lovely but after that let them also have a potential to be not there as well.

However, it's always better to have the host team to play so that you get to see the full might of a world cup tournament. Not sure how much USA fans care about football, they have a different type of football there, so maybe it won't be too many fans but I am sure all the people around the world would love to go there if they can, it's the land of the free, and will be better.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 25, 2023, 05:40:25 AM

Quote from: beerlover on July 25, 2023, 04:51:01 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 24, 2023, 01:30:09 AM

If we look at things from a positive perspective, then we will see something positive, conversely, if we look at things from a negative perspective, then all we will see is the negative. It's the same with the World Cup, I would say there is no perfect World Cup without any problems or anything like that. So it's just a matter of how we look at it.
I agree with you that each country has its own characteristics, we can't compare the World Cup held in country A with the World Cup held in country B, because those are 2 different countries. It might make more sense to compare World Cups held in the same country in different editions.

I would say world cup without any problems is one thing, but world cup with a ton of problems is another. Qatar one never felt like a true world cup to me, not because of any religious stuff but because not that many fans went there, that's the biggest issue. I mean normally what I understand from world cup is that when Brazil is playing, there will be tens of thousands of brazil fans cheering on the stadium, and when France does then French ones.

When you look at Qatar world cup, you will see that it was like made for the Qatari people and it was mostly them that was watching it and that's an issue if you ask me. It is not made for a nation, it's made for every nation, and if there aren't tens of thousands of fans of that nation there, then it makes no sense.

The biggest problem we had in Qatar was the lack of freedom and we all knew Qatar couldn't be a good host mostly because of the rules they have. We know Qatar as a Muslim country where you are not allowed to during in some places and in the other hand this country is very rich-friendly, which means if you have the money you can do anything you want, otherwise you should respect all the rules and you won't have freedom there.

That is the same in any country,even in the most well developed western society money can bypass laws and this is a big flaw of the human population in the world,corruption is everywhere and people are bribed commonly through rich persons to persuade them to give them what they want.Qatar has no difference in this,even in the most difficult country regarding rules which is Saudi Arabia with the right acquaintance you can open doors there too,so in this context the World Cup was let's say normal even in Qatar but of course in USA will be much better.

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Quote from: beerlover on July 25, 2023, 04:51:01 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 24, 2023, 01:30:09 AM

If we look at things from a positive perspective, then we will see something positive, conversely, if we look at things from a negative perspective, then all we will see is the negative. It's the same with the World Cup, I would say there is no perfect World Cup without any problems or anything like that. So it's just a matter of how we look at it.
I agree with you that each country has its own characteristics, we can't compare the World Cup held in country A with the World Cup held in country B, because those are 2 different countries. It might make more sense to compare World Cups held in the same country in different editions.

I would say world cup without any problems is one thing, but world cup with a ton of problems is another. Qatar one never felt like a true world cup to me, not because of any religious stuff but because not that many fans went there, that's the biggest issue. I mean normally what I understand from world cup is that when Brazil is playing, there will be tens of thousands of brazil fans cheering on the stadium, and when France does then French ones.

When you look at Qatar world cup, you will see that it was like made for the Qatari people and it was mostly them that was watching it and that's an issue if you ask me. It is not made for a nation, it's made for every nation, and if there aren't tens of thousands of fans of that nation there, then it makes no sense.

The biggest problem we had in Qatar was the lack of freedom and we all knew Qatar couldn't be a good host mostly because of the rules they have. We know Qatar as a Muslim country where you are not allowed to during in some places and in the other hand this country is very rich-friendly, which means if you have the money you can do anything you want, otherwise you should respect all the rules and you won't have freedom there.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 24, 2023, 01:30:09 AM

If we look at things from a positive perspective, then we will see something positive, conversely, if we look at things from a negative perspective, then all we will see is the negative. It's the same with the World Cup, I would say there is no perfect World Cup without any problems or anything like that. So it's just a matter of how we look at it.
I agree with you that each country has its own characteristics, we can't compare the World Cup held in country A with the World Cup held in country B, because those are 2 different countries. It might make more sense to compare World Cups held in the same country in different editions.

I would say world cup without any problems is one thing, but world cup with a ton of problems is another. Qatar one never felt like a true world cup to me, not because of any religious stuff but because not that many fans went there, that's the biggest issue. I mean normally what I understand from world cup is that when Brazil is playing, there will be tens of thousands of brazil fans cheering on the stadium, and when France does then French ones.

When you look at Qatar world cup, you will see that it was like made for the Qatari people and it was mostly them that was watching it and that's an issue if you ask me. It is not made for a nation, it's made for every nation, and if there aren't tens of thousands of fans of that nation there, then it makes no sense.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 24, 2023, 08:40:25 PM

Well.. that is the point. For the next world cup in 2026, the defending champions need to go through the qualification route, while the three hosts would be given automatic qualification. I can understand if the United States is being given direct entry, because they are hosting more than 80% of the matches. But then what is the point in giving automatic entry for teams like Canada, who are going to host just 10 out of the total 104 matches? And it is so unfair to the other teams in CONCACAF, such as Costa Rica, Panama and Jamaica.

Only the hosts benefit because they qualify automatically, but what's the point if the hosts are not able to qualify for the next round via grub, like the previous world cup in Qatar and they only played until the grub preliminary round because they were unable to collect points to qualify for the next round. Argentina has no problem in terms of qualifying, because they have great players and have always been able to get through the qualifying preliminary phase.

The organizers have the rules in place and although in our opinion there is no point in giving Canada the opportunity to qualify automatically, they do have an assessment that is adjusted to the rules of holding the next world cup match. So like it or not, that's the rule that will probably apply.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 24, 2023, 05:25:52 PM

We are not saying these three teams should not be in the 2026 world cup but the only thing I say about these three countries is mostly about taking three spots that other countries and other teams can use.
In the 2026 world cup, it is possible that another team with a higher quality will not be able to participate just because these two have taken up a spot.

It seems to me there is some confusion about how the spots to the world cup are given, CONCACAF has 6 direct spots to the world cup plus 2 spots for the inter-confederation playoffs, while the USA, Canada and Mexico were given 3 direct spots as the hosts, the spots given to CONCACAF did not increase, so 3 direct spots are still available, and while some may think this is unfair, those three teams made it to the previous world cup and would have qualified anyway as they are the three strongest teams on that zone, and if anything this helps the rest of the countries on their confederation as now they do not have to face them and instead there is a more level playing field for them.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 24, 2023, 05:25:52 PM

We are not saying these three teams should not be in the 2026 world cup but the only thing I say about these three countries is mostly about taking three spots that other countries and other teams can use.
In the 2026 world cup, it is possible that another team with a higher quality will not be able to participate just because these two have taken up a spot.

Well.. that is the point. For the next world cup in 2026, the defending champions need to go through the qualification route, while the three hosts would be given automatic qualification. I can understand if the United States is being given direct entry, because they are hosting more than 80% of the matches. But then what is the point in giving automatic entry for teams like Canada, who are going to host just 10 out of the total 104 matches? And it is so unfair to the other teams in CONCACAF, such as Costa Rica, Panama and Jamaica.

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Quote from: nullama on July 23, 2023, 02:04:31 AM

this is a kinda unique situation, because they used to have only 3 direct slots, and now they changed two things: They added extra 3 direct slots for a total of 6 (because now there are more teams in the world cup), but also at the same time they removed the extra slots for the hosts.

It's a bit of a trick for this time because they literally added 3 extra slots, but it's not really for the hosts, it's in general from now on.

What do you mean, you are telling us that USA/Canada/Mexico will not automatically go to world cup because of this? I mean normally when you are a host of the world cup then you go to world cup, that is how it works and has always been working that way.

If there is a new rule that says that there are 3 more slots but there is no guarantee for the host nations then I am pretty sure that at least one of these nations may end up missing the cup chance as well. That would be a new thing that I have never heard of before but if what you are saying is true that means there would be more fair situation, teams will actually have to fight to get what they are owed and should be very important to make a difference in the end as well.

We are not saying these three teams should not be in the 2026 world cup but the only thing I say about these three countries is mostly about taking three spots that other countries and other teams can use.
In the 2026 world cup, it is possible that another team with a higher quality will not be able to participate just because these two have taken up a spot.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 23, 2023, 02:27:07 PM

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Here we go with the Qatar thing again Grin

I pretty much sure that I didn't read any comments above that is saying that Qatar did a terrible job in hosting the recent world cup and that they did not made the event as fabulous as it can be because we all know that money was not a problem in that country, they even built new stadiums just for the world cup, and so there is no stopping them by making the event extraordinary. But we should be open minded in this topic because every hosts have their own distinctive flavor that can make another world cup unforgettable.

Looking back, I can't remember a really bad World Cup (even in a miserable country like Russia it was held at a good level). In fact, it is always a holiday and probably everyone (except those who were very disappointed like Brazil at their home World Cup Grin

) always remembers such an event in a positive way. The World Cup in such a big and rich country like the USA will certainly be good too.

Certainly mate and there won't be such thing as the worst world cup ever because the hosts will surely make everything possible to make the world cup unforgettable while they are the host. Besides, there should be no problems at all and it will happen just like how they imagine it (except for the little things of course because they cannot guarantee everything) because they are given a lot of time to prepare. In fact, North American countries already know that they will host the 2026 world cup as early as 6 years prior to the event.

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Quote from: nullama on July 23, 2023, 02:04:31 AM

this is a kinda unique situation, because they used to have only 3 direct slots, and now they changed two things: They added extra 3 direct slots for a total of 6 (because now there are more teams in the world cup), but also at the same time they removed the extra slots for the hosts.

It's a bit of a trick for this time because they literally added 3 extra slots, but it's not really for the hosts, it's in general from now on.

What do you mean, you are telling us that USA/Canada/Mexico will not automatically go to world cup because of this? I mean normally when you are a host of the world cup then you go to world cup, that is how it works and has always been working that way.

If there is a new rule that says that there are 3 more slots but there is no guarantee for the host nations then I am pretty sure that at least one of these nations may end up missing the cup chance as well. That would be a new thing that I have never heard of before but if what you are saying is true that means there would be more fair situation, teams will actually have to fight to get what they are owed and should be very important to make a difference in the end as well.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on July 22, 2023, 07:37:36 PM

I really want to see what can make Ancelotti with the super Brazilian team, i dont remember when was the last time BRazil has a non brazilian as a coach.

I think he can bring some new ideas, but most of the players knows him and also they know european tactis because all of them plays in europe.

I don't think if Brazil ever had a non-Brazilian coach in their history because they mostly tried to use Brazilian for their football team mostly the reason for using Brazilian coaches is they think Brazil is the strongest team in the world and they believe Brazilian coaches are better the other coaches in the world.

Brazil has never appointed anyone from a foreign country as a coach of their team, that is, the main condition of Brazil before appointing the last coach was that he must first be a citizen of Brazil to take charge of Brazil because most of the footballers do not understand English outside of their national language and Brazil never wanted their football secrets to be shared with the people of other countries. But due to worse performance than expected in Qatar World Cup 2022, they are finally forced to appoint a coach from Europe as their national team coach. I think Brazil finally made a good decision. Because to properly use the type of players that the Brazil team has, a coach like Carlo Ancelotti was definitely needed.

They don't have to have any foreign coaches from other countries mostly because Brzeil thinks they are in a situation where they have many famous and skilled coaches in their county and that's why even Ancelotti is not needed.
A few days ago their president, said he is unhappy about choosing Ancelotti.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/news-brazilian-president-unhappy-current-real-madrid-boss-carlo-ancelotti-s-appointment-national-team-manager

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on July 24, 2023, 07:12:06 AM

Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 23, 2023, 08:50:32 AM

Quote from: Volgastallion on July 22, 2023, 07:37:36 PM

I really want to see what can make Ancelotti with the super Brazilian team, i dont remember when was the last time BRazil has a non brazilian as a coach.

I think he can bring some new ideas, but most of the players knows him and also they know european tactis because all of them plays in europe.

I don't think if Brazil ever had a non-Brazilian coach in their history because they mostly tried to use Brazilian for their football team mostly the reason for using Brazilian coaches is they think Brazil is the strongest team in the world and they believe Brazilian coaches are better the other coaches in the world.

I think I've heard someone say this similar thing some where out this forum, just around my locality here.
what I can say is that, if it really be true that brazil had never used a non-Brazilian coach before and even until now, it is very understandable based on the reason you already shared, a nation that believe that they are the very best worldwide when it comes to football, them seeking a coach outside their country will simply means they are mocking themselves, and if any other nation mocks them for doing so, it is understandable to be honest, wont blame such a nation.

I guess it's not about the nation, it's about a really good coach. If he can coach the team better than any other national coach, it is better for the country first of all. The belief that only a national coach should coach a team is wrong in my opinion and can have a bad effect on the team's play and as a result on the performance at world championships.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 23, 2023, 08:50:32 AM

Quote from: Volgastallion on July 22, 2023, 07:37:36 PM

I really want to see what can make Ancelotti with the super Brazilian team, i dont remember when was the last time BRazil has a non brazilian as a coach.

I think he can bring some new ideas, but most of the players knows him and also they know european tactis because all of them plays in europe.

I don't think if Brazil ever had a non-Brazilian coach in their history because they mostly tried to use Brazilian for their football team mostly the reason for using Brazilian coaches is they think Brazil is the strongest team in the world and they believe Brazilian coaches are better the other coaches in the world.

I think I've heard someone say this similar thing some where out this forum, just around my locality here.
what I can say is that, if it really be true that brazil had never used a non-Brazilian coach before and even until now, it is very understandable based on the reason you already shared, a nation that believe that they are the very best worldwide when it comes to football, them seeking a coach outside their country will simply means they are mocking themselves, and if any other nation mocks them for doing so, it is understandable to be honest, wont blame such a nation.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on July 24, 2023, 01:30:09 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 23, 2023, 02:27:07 PM

Looking back, I can't remember a really bad World Cup (even in a miserable country like Russia it was held at a good level). In fact, it is always a holiday and probably everyone (except those who were very disappointed like Brazil at their home World Cup Grin

) always remembers such an event in a positive way. The World Cup in such a big and rich country like the USA will certainly be good too.

If we look at things from a positive perspective, then we will see something positive, conversely, if we look at things from a negative perspective, then all we will see is the negative. It's the same with the World Cup, I would say there is no perfect World Cup without any problems or anything like that. So it's just a matter of how we look at it.
I agree with you that each country has its own characteristics, we can't compare the World Cup held in country A with the World Cup held in country B, because those are 2 different countries. It might make more sense to compare World Cups held in the same country in different editions.

I do not remember that in one country the World Cup was held 2 times in a row, although even in this case a break of 4 years + the experience gained will greatly change the picture. The USA in 2026 will host the World Cup 22 years after the previous time, I hope I am not mistaken if I assume that simply due to progress it will be a higher level than then. By the way, in technical terms, this will be 100% true - do you remember how poorly TVs showed 20 years ago? For example, in hockey I didn’t even see the puck, but now on replays I can see how the stubble moves on the faces of the players.

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