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Quote from: Zlantann on June 08, 2023, 04:04:22 AM

1. 6,000 migrant workers died during the construction of stadiums and other infrastructural facilities and Qataris never bothered to compensate their families

That's the most important part about Qatar and other similar countries hosting the world cup they literary killed people to build stadiums and other sports facilities and they do not even feel sorry about this. While most of these workers were from other countries and most of them were Muslims. But on the other hand, they didn't people drink alcohol because that's not legal in Islam, I'm sure killing people is not legal in Islam and Islam cares about people's lives more than drinking alcohol or nudity.

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Quote from: shogun47 on June 06, 2023, 10:18:38 PM

Building joint ventures so to say in order to submit applications to host the World Cup will also take place more often because if there is one "union" consisting of three countries applying for a World Cup and all other applicants are standalone applications, there is of course also a bigger lobby behind that union (unless it is the USA alone). But the approach to giving the tournament to several countries at once is probably more popular among society than just giving it to one country every four years. In terms of equality and also integration globally between countries this approach can only help. But infrastructure is the most basic issue here as bigger World Cups need more infrastructure. Still the USA could have done it alone, but perhaps Mexico would have had problems alone and therefore they plan beforehand to get smaller, less equipped nations under the roof of the bigger ones in a timely manner.

As you said, as long as the tournament is enjoyable and going well, I am also all or it. But I expect a great World Cup 2026. Not many reasons speak against it.

I think Canada probably pulled their weight on this one and USA carried Mexico due to football country. USA has been getting better and better at football, they have been providing some challenge to teams at world cup as well, just as we have seen them on the last one as well. But we need to realize that they are not there yet, they are still amateurs at this level and they need some improvement.

But, if you look at the home court advantage, we are going to see them do a lot different things when it is home court and that's why I believe that it shouldn't be all that shocking. I know that it would not be suddenly different and it depends on the drawing, but if they draw teams that are a bit easier and if they have the home court advantage, then I can see them going as far as semi finals, not impossible when you think about it.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 08, 2023, 06:59:58 AM

When I was in UAE, which is also a Muslim country, there were possibilities to buy alcohol and I saw a lot of male people walking hand by hand on the streets and kissing each other. Why in UAE, in hotels bar you can freely buy alcoholic drinks? The laws of Islam does not work in hotel then? Turkey is another Muslim country - alcohol is available in every corner of the street. Why then some countries can adopt their culture for foreigners and other dont? People that complain about Qatar restrictions are overreacting imho, and of course some of them "special category of people that have zero respect towards others". They will always find something to be dissatisfied with.

I don't think bad ideas when alcoholic is not allowed at FIFA World Cup 2022 in Qatar, all matches play on time and never any problem due many people disagree after Qatar not allowed with alcoholic until LGBT. Should respect with the rule in some country and the most important about all football matches is running well without any problem yet.

Next FIFA World Cup 2026 will play with non Muslim country and not any allowed adopt there like in Qatar, lets waiting how the infrastructure there have better than Qatar or not. Never push when Muslim country become the host for FIFA World Cup with their rule and need respect for all us, seems many people not happy with rule adopt in Qatar but they not appreciated with most amazing infrastructure until how every match attend full in stadium.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 08, 2023, 08:30:07 AM

don't you think they'd be at least a bit more open on the visa thing for people going to the event?

I do not think they will bend the regulation for this kind of event. The visa will be processed normally, with no special consideration because it is the safety of the nation that they prioritized here. People can still watch the match through PPV. Beside, there is still plenty of time to apply and be qualified for visa so if a fan really wants to watch the matches live, then he must prepare his entry as early as possible.

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Quite unfair, isn't it? Grin

Anyway, it is what it is because America's closest allied countries are really granted with an almost easy access since then. That said, they will have the most advantage in this event because they will not be having any troubles in entering towards US soil compared to other people especially if they came from a 3rd world country, but there should be no problems at all to watch this event as long as they have the correct requirements and completed every check that they placed before you will be granted an access.

That is probably the only major problem people will face during the next world cup, the US is very strict with its policies and getting a visa will probably get harder as they will probably receive millions of applications to watch the games live, I suppose that for soccer fans one of the basic requirements to get a visa to watch the games will be to have bought a ticket already and have a place to stay, still it would not surprise me if under those conditions many people were still denied entry and they will fail to make it to the world cup.

wait, so the next world cup will take place in the US?
crazy stuff didn't expect it

don't you think they'd be at least a bit more open on the visa thing for people going to the event?

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on June 08, 2023, 03:06:16 AM

Qatar is a Muslim country and they clearly stated that they cannot change their Muslim culture for this one month tournament. So in their country, drinking beer in the studio or homosexuality, like the European countries, they also put some restrictions on girls' clothing so that they can retain their Muslim culture. I don't see anything wrong with what they have done as a Muslim dominated country. How they will change their culture for one month which they have been following since ancient times.

When I was in UAE, which is also a Muslim country, there were possibilities to buy alcohol and I saw a lot of male people walking hand by hand on the streets and kissing each other. Why in UAE, in hotels bar you can freely buy alcoholic drinks? The laws of Islam does not work in hotel then? Turkey is another Muslim country - alcohol is available in every corner of the street. Why then some countries can adopt their culture for foreigners and other dont? People that complain about Qatar restrictions are overreacting imho, and of course some of them "special category of people that have zero respect towards others". They will always find something to be dissatisfied with.

Beer ban - was beer really banned, or fans were just not allowed to get drunk on public from opened bottles?
Hotels prices spiked - that always happens. Being a fan that support object of favourite abroad is always expensive.
Women fans - I saw plenty of almost undressed women on the stadiums.
LGBT - they probably were performing really unappropriated on public and got a warning (by a first to face probably Cheesy

). Yet again, people has pumped that huge, while there perhaps were like just few cases of threatening.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 12:30:30 PM

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Yes but although I have never been to South America, I feel like the fans can contribute a lot to their teams' successes. I know that this didn't work out very well in 2014 against Germany, but still the crowds are amazing there. But I still think that even in three years from now France is probably still the dominating force in world soccer. It is unbelievable how many young outstanding talents are spread all over European soccer. England and Spain also have quite a few, but France is all set for several years to go.

France is the same team that failed to qualify for the 1990 and 1994 editions of the FIFA World Cup. Their recent success has a lot to do with the migrant origin players. France has a very large immigrant population (10-15 million) and that gives them a bigger advantage when compared to other European teams like Spain and Germany. Also, Ligue 1 has emerged as one of the top European leagues, partly due to huge amounts of money being spent by teams like Paris Saint-Germain and Olympique de Marseille, which has allowed them to recruit top players from all around the world.

France is one of the strongest teams in the world and they won the world cup two times in 1998 when Brazil had an amazing performance and in 2018 but the last time when they face Argentina they failed to win the game and even with a player like Mbappe who is one of the strongest players and young talent they failed.
This time in 2026 I guess France can have a better chance because of having more experience.

Not going to lie, the trajectory of France's football feats resembles a tumultuous joyride, doesn't it? They've scaled grand summits, courtesy of their triumphs in the World Cup sagas of '98 and 2018. Yet, they've also traversed rocky terrains, distinctly those subpar shows in '90 and '94. You hit the bullseye regarding their immigrant populace serving as a springboard. It's akin to a buffet of sheer aptitude!

Now, shifting gears to the Argentina face-off, it was a letdown, no? Even armed with Mbappe, who's essentially a gaming hack, they failed to seize victory. But that's the allure of the beautiful game, isn't it? Any team, any time, isn't it?

Here's the tea: the 2026 World Cup sets the stage for their redemption story. They've savored defeat and it's infused a sour note. Recall the Morocco standoff? France was as swift as a tranquilized tortoise! They were outmatched in possession and their supposed passing precision was a travesty of misplaced kicks. But errors lead to evolution, right? They're gearing up for a forceful comeback, more invigorated than ever.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on June 08, 2023, 02:07:26 AM

I feel lucky because I got to watch the 2022 World Cup in Qatar. In 2022, Qatar hosted the best World Cup tournament in history. Those who say they didn't enjoy the World Cup in Qatar, then they dislike Qatar, not the beauty of football. Many people have spread various misinformation about this Middle Eastern country that how the World Cup will be hosted in a desert country but Qatar has taken all the channels and organized the World Cup in the most modern way in the world. Qatar has done more than what was required to host a World Cup tournament. I don't think any country will host the World Cup in the future like Qatar did in the 2022 World Cup.

I am glad you enjoyed the competition but some people didn't and they have the freedom to express their views. Their criticism might not be because they hate Qatar but because of their unpleasant experiences. You enjoyed the tournament because the laws were consistent with your religion or customs. Many fans didn't enjoy it because some of the entertaining parts of world cups were hampered or distorted due to the restrictions placed on certain activities. Yes, Qatar performed beyond my expectations in the organization of the world cup but there were many hitches.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 08, 2023, 02:47:30 AM

1. 6,000 migrant workers died during the construction of stadiums and other infrastructural facilities and Qataris never bothered to compensate their families

First of all, those who lost their lives to build these big structures, may God grant their families the ability to cope with their grief. But this is not the first time that workers have died in the construction of such a large structure in Qatar. Starting from Burj Khalifa, many people have lost their lives in other large buildings, so Burj Khalifa is closed? A group of people spread such news to stop the World Cup in Qatar.

6000 people lost their lives because Qatar want to host a one-month competition and you are making a comparison between Burj Khalifa and the stadium constructions. If you have lost a relative or a friend you wouldn't make this comparison. Nobody deserves to die because of mere competition. These construction workers have families that have been subjected to grief and suffering and deserve to be compensated. Qatar took advantage of the poor economic and political conditions of some countries and used their citizens as slaves. Qatar should pray for forgiveness of sin for refusing to compensate the families of people that died.

I love Islam and I know the religion promotes love and equality.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on June 08, 2023, 03:06:16 AM

Qatar is a Muslim country and they clearly stated that they cannot change their Muslim culture for this one month tournament. So in their country, drinking beer in the studio or homosexuality, like the European countries, they also put some restrictions on girls' clothing so that they can retain their Muslim culture. I don't see anything wrong with what they have done as a Muslim dominated country. How they will change their culture for one month which they have been following since ancient times.

There are Muslim countries such as Turkey and Morocco as well. But they never try to impose their culture on visitors.

Quote from: Litzki1990 on June 08, 2023, 03:06:16 AM

First of all, those who lost their lives to build these big structures, may God grant their families the ability to cope with their grief. But this is not the first time that workers have died in the construction of such a large structure in Qatar. Starting from Burj Khalifa, many people have lost their lives in other large buildings, so Burj Khalifa is closed? A group of people spread such news to stop the World Cup in Qatar.

First of all, accidents happen everywhere. But the difference between Qatar and other countries is that Qatar refused to provide a single penny in compensation for the families of the victims. Most of the workers were from poor countries such as Nepal and Bangladesh and their children are starving now since the income earner is gone. If this same thing had occurred in any other country, the families would have been compensated. It is very simple. Qataris doesn't consider these migrant workers as human. For them they are much less important.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 08, 2023, 02:47:30 AM

Quote from: Litzki1990 on June 08, 2023, 02:07:26 AM

I feel lucky because I got to watch the 2022 World Cup in Qatar. In 2022, Qatar hosted the best World Cup tournament in history. Those who say they didn't enjoy the World Cup in Qatar, then they dislike Qatar, not the beauty of football. Many people have spread various misinformation about this Middle Eastern country that how the World Cup will be hosted in a desert country but Qatar has taken all the channels and organized the World Cup in the most modern way in the world. Qatar has done more than what was required to host a World Cup tournament. I don't think any country will host the World Cup in the future like Qatar did in the 2022 World Cup.

Well.. this is strange. What sort of misinformation was spread about the tournament in Qatar? The concern from the fans was regarding the following topics:

2. LGBT and unmarried couples were threatened with adultery laws
3. Hotel prices were spiked just before the tournament
4. Beer ban was announced just two days before the first game was played
5. Women fans were asked to wear covering attire

Which of these points look like misinformation for you?

Qatar is a Muslim country and they clearly stated that they cannot change their Muslim culture for this one month tournament. So in their country, drinking beer in the studio or homosexuality, like the European countries, they also put some restrictions on girls' clothing so that they can retain their Muslim culture. I don't see anything wrong with what they have done as a Muslim dominated country. How they will change their culture for one month which they have been following since ancient times.

Quote from: Sithara007 on June 08, 2023, 02:47:30 AM

1. 6,000 migrant workers died during the construction of stadiums and other infrastructural facilities and Qataris never bothered to compensate their families

First of all, those who lost their lives to build these big structures, may God grant their families the ability to cope with their grief. But this is not the first time that workers have died in the construction of such a large structure in Qatar. Starting from Burj Khalifa, many people have lost their lives in other large buildings, so Burj Khalifa is closed? A group of people spread such news to stop the World Cup in Qatar.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on June 08, 2023, 02:07:26 AM

I feel lucky because I got to watch the 2022 World Cup in Qatar. In 2022, Qatar hosted the best World Cup tournament in history. Those who say they didn't enjoy the World Cup in Qatar, then they dislike Qatar, not the beauty of football. Many people have spread various misinformation about this Middle Eastern country that how the World Cup will be hosted in a desert country but Qatar has taken all the channels and organized the World Cup in the most modern way in the world. Qatar has done more than what was required to host a World Cup tournament. I don't think any country will host the World Cup in the future like Qatar did in the 2022 World Cup.

Well.. this is strange. What sort of misinformation was spread about the tournament in Qatar? The concern from the fans was regarding the following topics:

1. 6,000 migrant workers died during the construction of stadiums and other infrastructural facilities and Qataris never bothered to compensate their families
2. LGBT and unmarried couples were threatened with adultery laws
3. Hotel prices were spiked just before the tournament
4. Beer ban was announced just two days before the first game was played
5. Women fans were asked to wear covering attire

Which of these points look like misinformation for you?

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Quote from: harapan on June 06, 2023, 05:36:14 PM

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Football fans will benefit the most from the next World Cup. Because maybe the next World Cup will not make the countries as difficult as the Qatar World Cup. This allows football fans to watch and enjoy every match with freedom.

Bold of you to assume football fans did not enjoy the last world cup. The Qatar world cup was among the best world cups ever. I have watched different world cups and the 2022 world cup was the best for me. A lot of controversies, yes we know, but that did not stop anybody from enjoying the world cup. Most of the controversies where just propaganda. What's best was to just block out the negative energy and just enjoy the sport.

I feel lucky because I got to watch the 2022 World Cup in Qatar. In 2022, Qatar hosted the best World Cup tournament in history. Those who say they didn't enjoy the World Cup in Qatar, then they dislike Qatar, not the beauty of football. Many people have spread various misinformation about this Middle Eastern country that how the World Cup will be hosted in a desert country but Qatar has taken all the channels and organized the World Cup in the most modern way in the world. Qatar has done more than what was required to host a World Cup tournament. I don't think any country will host the World Cup in the future like Qatar did in the 2022 World Cup.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 12:30:30 PM

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Yes but although I have never been to South America, I feel like the fans can contribute a lot to their teams' successes. I know that this didn't work out very well in 2014 against Germany, but still the crowds are amazing there. But I still think that even in three years from now France is probably still the dominating force in world soccer. It is unbelievable how many young outstanding talents are spread all over European soccer. England and Spain also have quite a few, but France is all set for several years to go.

France is the same team that failed to qualify for the 1990 and 1994 editions of the FIFA World Cup. Their recent success has a lot to do with the migrant origin players. France has a very large immigrant population (10-15 million) and that gives them a bigger advantage when compared to other European teams like Spain and Germany. Also, Ligue 1 has emerged as one of the top European leagues, partly due to huge amounts of money being spent by teams like Paris Saint-Germain and Olympique de Marseille, which has allowed them to recruit top players from all around the world.

France is one of the strongest teams in the world and they won the world cup two times in 1998 when Brazil had an amazing performance and in 2018 but the last time when they face Argentina they failed to win the game and even with a player like Mbappe who is one of the strongest players and young talent they failed.
This time in 2026 I guess France can have a better chance because of having more experience.

That's true but finals or knockout games sometimes have their own laws to a certain degree. The game between France and Argentina could have also ended differently. There we so many minor things that in the ended went in favor of Argentina, but I do think that they are the deserved winner. France was too passive for too long during that final game.

At the World Cup 2026 I expect a French national team that is more awake and focused on the moment. In 2022 they also slowed down in the game against Morocco where it didn't really look like a typical France game. They were behind or even in all statistics except for goals. Morocco had 62% ball possession and higher passing accuracy. Since we are talking about France here, that is not quite normal.

But with this loss in the back of their heads they are now looking forward to their next chance and avoid the mistakes they made last time.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 06, 2023, 09:25:55 PM

Quote from: alegotardo on June 06, 2023, 08:22:12 PM

I'm not sure, but if your concern is the visa... as far as I'm aware, people only need to acquire a visa for the USA (which is more "complicated") and automatically they have a "free pass" to watch the games on the Mexico and Canada.

I don't agree with this. Getting a visa for Mexico or Canada may not be a big deal for US/EU citizens. But if someone from China or India want to visit these countries, in order to watch the world cup matches, they still need to go through a lot of formalities. And getting a US visa is entirely at another level. For people from the third world, it is next to impossible to get a tourist visa to the US. In short, I guess the fans will be mostly comprised of EU/US citizens for the 2026 event. Very few of those from Asia or Africa are likely to travel in order to watch the matches.

What @alegotardo was explaining is that the most important Visa for the 2026 world cup is the US visa. Any fan that is fortunate to get it will have free access to watch games in both Canada and Mexico because there will be no restrictions. @Sithara007 I totally agree with your observation about getting a US Visa as a citizen of a developing nation. In my country, if you apply for a US Visa it will take close to one year and six months to get a Visa interview appointment because the process is slow and there are backlogs of applications. I also suspect that the government intentionally made it slow to reduce the number of people that might be fortunate to get Visas. The US is already a rich country so I don't think they have plans to monetize the world cup, so I don't expect this strict immigration policy to change because of the world cup.

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Quote from: borovichok on June 08, 2023, 12:31:03 AM

The 2022 World Cup in Qatar was fraught with tension. There were various limits and poor displays that did not match the expectations of those who traveled to see the competition live. The prohibition on alcoholic beverages was excessive; how can a country prohibit drinks, including beer, simply because they do not fit their tradition and practice? It is preposterous to witness a celebration without smoking and gushing drinks; that is the way of modern celebration, and everyone is acquainted with it. Finally, the deaths of migrant laborers were merely a disregarded problem by FIFA and Qater; they are simply concerned with the competition, which they view as more important than any other matter.

If Qatar is allowed to ban beer in 2022, then if some other conservative country is hosting the world cup in 2030, they will also implement similar laws. Let's say India is hosting the 2030 World Cup. They will claim that non-vegetarian food is against their beliefs and will prohibit such food for the visitors. What FIFA can do about it? And FIFA along with Qatar is responsible for the deaths of these migrant laborers. If the tournament was not awarded to Qatar, then these deaths would have been avoided.

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Quote from: harapan on June 06, 2023, 05:36:14 PM

Quote from: keyscore44 on June 05, 2023, 01:28:40 AM

Football fans will benefit the most from the next World Cup. Because maybe the next World Cup will not make the countries as difficult as the Qatar World Cup. This allows football fans to watch and enjoy every match with freedom.

Bold of you to assume football fans did not enjoy the last world cup. The Qatar world cup was among the best world cups ever. I have watched different world cups and the 2022 world cup was the best for me. A lot of controversies, yes we know, but that did not stop anybody from enjoying the world cup. Most of the controversies where just propaganda. What's best was to just block out the negative energy and just enjoy the sport.

They judged it based on the number of prohibitions made by the organizers and that was done by the hosts to respect the culture of their country while those who witnessed live at the stadium were from many countries and that was definitely more than 32 countries because every World Cup always attracts many people even though the country was not a participant. It was this regulation that finally led to speculation that the spectators were not so happy to be a world cup 2022 witness because there was no freedom and people always think without freedom there is no fun, but in the next World Cup everything will be back to normal where liquor and everything else will be free to do.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 07, 2023, 09:40:13 PM

In terms of infrastructure and facilities, you maybe right. They were top class. What I don't like about Qatar 2022 is the fact that despite spending $250 billion on conducting the tournament, Qatar never compensated the families of 6,000 or so migrant workers who died during the construction of world cup stadiums. FIFA also went silent on this matter. And the fans were not happy about a lot of things. Although visa was not an issue, there was discrimination against LGBT people and unmarried couples, and then there was this last minute ban on alcoholic drinks including beer.

The 2022 World Cup in Qatar was fraught with tension. There were various limits and poor displays that did not match the expectations of those who traveled to see the competition live. The prohibition on alcoholic beverages was excessive; how can a country prohibit drinks, including beer, simply because they do not fit their tradition and practice? It is preposterous to witness a celebration without smoking and gushing drinks; that is the way of modern celebration, and everyone is acquainted with it. Finally, the deaths of migrant laborers were merely a disregarded problem by FIFA and Qater; they are simply concerned with the competition, which they view as more important than any other matter.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 07, 2023, 09:40:13 PM

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In terms of infrastructure and facilities, you maybe right. They were top class. What I don't like about Qatar 2022 is the fact that despite spending $250 billion on conducting the tournament, Qatar never compensated the families of 6,000 or so migrant workers who died during the construction of world cup stadiums. FIFA also went silent on this matter. And the fans were not happy about a lot of things. Although visa was not an issue, there was discrimination against LGBT people and unmarried couples, and then there was this last minute ban on alcoholic drinks including beer.

We're now seeing more and more examples of this, for example recently in the Golf merger.

Basically, money talks. That's the summary of all these things. People really don't care about morals or ethics as long as the pay is high enough.

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Quote from: virasog on June 07, 2023, 05:14:18 PM

To be honest, the world cup 2022 was not as bad as some people are trying to project it. Yes, it was hosted in Asia this time and also in one of the Islamic countries but this not at all means that it was a failure. There were many good takes from this world cup and of course, the Asians also deserved to host the most prestigious football event.

I think having a world cup in this region will encourage many new countries to have a serious approach toward football. Asia is a big continent but here we do not have any strongest teams like in South America or the European region.

In terms of infrastructure and facilities, you maybe right. They were top class. What I don't like about Qatar 2022 is the fact that despite spending $250 billion on conducting the tournament, Qatar never compensated the families of 6,000 or so migrant workers who died during the construction of world cup stadiums. FIFA also went silent on this matter. And the fans were not happy about a lot of things. Although visa was not an issue, there was discrimination against LGBT people and unmarried couples, and then there was this last minute ban on alcoholic drinks including beer.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on June 07, 2023, 06:36:38 PM

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In the two last World Cups France had amazing results and they were champions in Russia in 2018 while next time in 2022 they couldn't win the final match and this can show us France is on good days for years in the world cup and if we see then winning the World Cup or being in the final match in 2026 it's not surprising at all.
Here you can see the performance of France in the World Cups:

The good thing about France football team, it have got set of players that could play any position. Also the games weren't of particular player centric. In most of the teams, the matches used to be much dependent on particular player. The performance of France in World Cups were really good. In the upcoming season of world cup I expect more small countries to be highly progressive same as what we saw in the Qatar World Cup.

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