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Quote from: nullama on July 20, 2023, 11:06:55 AM

Quote from: beerlover on July 20, 2023, 02:25:33 AM

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Finishing at the top should be the reason why you go to world cup anyway, we have different results for Europe because football is much much bigger in Europe and usually European or Latin American teams are the winners most of the time, can't remember the last time any team outside of that two continents ever won it to be fair. So when we are talking about African teams, that means the best should go, and second shouldn't, even if you are good, if you are not the best then you shouldn't.

Even one bad day and losing, like just one bad game, still not enough. I am not being ruthless, it's just how football is and if people are not used to it already then they should get used to it without a doubt. I know it will take some for these teams to be as good as European ones, maybe never.

That's the thing.

Only Europe and South America has won the world cup.

In the entire history of the competition, almost 100 years, only countries from those 2 continents have won it. And they are really close.

The third continent is way below.

Maybe after they increase the number of teams in the next world cup in 2026 we can see more countries from Asia and Africa and these countries will have more chance to win the title for the first time, also I think Asian teams are trying hard to invest more of football and if this continues we can see these counties winning the title soon.

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Quote from: beerlover on July 20, 2023, 02:25:33 AM

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Finishing at the top should be the reason why you go to world cup anyway, we have different results for Europe because football is much much bigger in Europe and usually European or Latin American teams are the winners most of the time, can't remember the last time any team outside of that two continents ever won it to be fair. So when we are talking about African teams, that means the best should go, and second shouldn't, even if you are good, if you are not the best then you shouldn't.

Even one bad day and losing, like just one bad game, still not enough. I am not being ruthless, it's just how football is and if people are not used to it already then they should get used to it without a doubt. I know it will take some for these teams to be as good as European ones, maybe never.

That's the thing.

Only Europe and South America has won the world cup.

In the entire history of the competition, almost 100 years, only countries from those 2 continents have won it. And they are really close.

The third continent is way below.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 20, 2023, 04:05:29 AM

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 19, 2023, 11:01:11 AM

I have to admit that it all makes no sense to me anymore.
Once upon a time, we had world cups with only 16 national teams and only 1 host.
In a few years we will have a world cup with 48 national teams and 3 hosts, and I would not be surprised if in 2030 FIFA organizes a world cup with 64 national teams and 4 hosts.
Obviously, FIFA no longer cares about football but only about making money, so maybe in 20 or 30 years we won't have qualifications for the World Cup at all because all the national teams of the world will have the right to participate Grin

I'm almost certain we'll have a world cup every 2 years soon.
All together this no longer makes sense.

Based on Wikipedia, the current number of countries is 194 countries. It is inconceivable if finally, FIFA continues to increase the number of World Cup participants, meaning that there is no more pride for countries that qualify because their chances are even greater and competition is very likely to be less competitive.
It has been debated that FIFA is becoming an organization with a money orientation rather than developing football properly, unfortunately, there is not much that can be done and when they make many changes that focus on getting more money, many countries still desire to be the organizer of the world cup so they don't mind even though they are seen being used because being able to play in the World Cup until now is a pride for many national teams, especially when they understand that the opportunity to get it is difficult if they have to go through qualification, so the shortcut is to become a host by investing a lot of money.

Even if we have 194 counties in the world in some countries they don't have football at all or in some other countries football is not a priority and they pay more attention to other sports, I think increasing the number of teams can have bad effects because we can see more countries in the world cup we should not normally see them, more week team in world cup means lowering the quality.

@Leviathan.007 every sport organisation is trying to milk the maximum money they can and thus FIfA is no different then other sport organisations who’re too trying to get maximum money they can from their respective sports eg ICC. Furthermore if FIFA World Cup is held every two year’s then most player’s will quit playing national football as it’ll increase their work load and the excitement of winning the World Cup will end.

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Quote from: Strongkored on July 20, 2023, 01:15:54 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on July 19, 2023, 11:01:11 AM

I have to admit that it all makes no sense to me anymore.
Once upon a time, we had world cups with only 16 national teams and only 1 host.
In a few years we will have a world cup with 48 national teams and 3 hosts, and I would not be surprised if in 2030 FIFA organizes a world cup with 64 national teams and 4 hosts.
Obviously, FIFA no longer cares about football but only about making money, so maybe in 20 or 30 years we won't have qualifications for the World Cup at all because all the national teams of the world will have the right to participate Grin

I'm almost certain we'll have a world cup every 2 years soon.
All together this no longer makes sense.

Based on Wikipedia, the current number of countries is 194 countries. It is inconceivable if finally, FIFA continues to increase the number of World Cup participants, meaning that there is no more pride for countries that qualify because their chances are even greater and competition is very likely to be less competitive.
It has been debated that FIFA is becoming an organization with a money orientation rather than developing football properly, unfortunately, there is not much that can be done and when they make many changes that focus on getting more money, many countries still desire to be the organizer of the world cup so they don't mind even though they are seen being used because being able to play in the World Cup until now is a pride for many national teams, especially when they understand that the opportunity to get it is difficult if they have to go through qualification, so the shortcut is to become a host by investing a lot of money.

Even if we have 194 counties in the world in some countries they don't have football at all or in some other countries football is not a priority and they pay more attention to other sports, I think increasing the number of teams can have bad effects because we can see more countries in the world cup we should not normally see them, more week team in world cup means lowering the quality.

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Quote from: Strongkored on July 20, 2023, 01:15:54 AM

Based on Wikipedia, the current number of countries is 194 countries. It is inconceivable if finally, FIFA continues to increase the number of World Cup participants, meaning that there is no more pride for countries that qualify because their chances are even greater and competition is very likely to be less competitive.
It has been debated that FIFA is becoming an organization with a money orientation rather than developing football properly, unfortunately, there is not much that can be done and when they make many changes that focus on getting more money, many countries still desire to be the organizer of the world cup so they don't mind even though they are seen being used because being able to play in the World Cup until now is a pride for many national teams, especially when they understand that the opportunity to get it is difficult if they have to go through qualification, so the shortcut is to become a host by investing a lot of money.

Current update, FIFA have 211 national associations as their member and FIFA World Cup 2026 with 48 participants seems one-third of the total number of FIFA members. FIFA have plan with added participants in FIFA World Cup 2026 almost several years although their reason give chance for national teams less participants in World Cup. I think money and sponsorship is the reason why FIFA agree with the addition 48 participants from 32 national teams.

Its not stop yet with many change happen later exactly FIFA World Cup is most profitable event, rumor with FIFA have planning with World Cup play each two years than usually every four years. Depend on FIFA member association will agree with this crazy ideas or not although have many players disagree what want to do by FIFA.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 19, 2023, 03:38:12 AM

Both of these teams can't qualify. Only the top ranked team from each group will qualify. That's why I said that in all probability one of these two teams will miss the ticket to USA. If either Nigeria and South Africa finish at no.2 in their group, then they will get a chance to play the inter-continent playoffs. But out of 9 second placed teams, only one will get a chance to play that match. It is going to be tough. So for both these teams, it is very crucial to finish at the top of the points table. Anyway, personally I will be disappointed in case Nigeria and South Africa lose out. Because I have always regarded them as some of the strongest teams in Africa.

Finishing at the top should be the reason why you go to world cup anyway, we have different results for Europe because football is much much bigger in Europe and usually European or Latin American teams are the winners most of the time, can't remember the last time any team outside of that two continents ever won it to be fair. So when we are talking about African teams, that means the best should go, and second shouldn't, even if you are good, if you are not the best then you shouldn't.

Even one bad day and losing, like just one bad game, still not enough. I am not being ruthless, it's just how football is and if people are not used to it already then they should get used to it without a doubt. I know it will take some for these teams to be as good as European ones, maybe never.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 19, 2023, 11:01:11 AM

I have to admit that it all makes no sense to me anymore.
Once upon a time, we had world cups with only 16 national teams and only 1 host.
In a few years we will have a world cup with 48 national teams and 3 hosts, and I would not be surprised if in 2030 FIFA organizes a world cup with 64 national teams and 4 hosts.
Obviously, FIFA no longer cares about football but only about making money, so maybe in 20 or 30 years we won't have qualifications for the World Cup at all because all the national teams of the world will have the right to participate Grin

I'm almost certain we'll have a world cup every 2 years soon.
All together this no longer makes sense.

Based on Wikipedia, the current number of countries is 194 countries. It is inconceivable if finally, FIFA continues to increase the number of World Cup participants, meaning that there is no more pride for countries that qualify because their chances are even greater and competition is very likely to be less competitive.
It has been debated that FIFA is becoming an organization with a money orientation rather than developing football properly, unfortunately, there is not much that can be done and when they make many changes that focus on getting more money, many countries still desire to be the organizer of the world cup so they don't mind even though they are seen being used because being able to play in the World Cup until now is a pride for many national teams, especially when they understand that the opportunity to get it is difficult if they have to go through qualification, so the shortcut is to become a host by investing a lot of money.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 19, 2023, 11:33:17 AM

Four countries as a World Cup host will be too much because that would be very unfair to the other teams who will have to qualify and have a hard time to go through the qualifiers of which 32 teams will be only accepted. I think 3 countries will be the maximum line, although there's no written rule for this, it will be a common sense not to have more than 3 hosts to remain fair.

It's just that Canada-America-Mexico agreed to make a bid together to increase their chances and indeed, they succeeded and they are the first ones who will host the world cup with 3 hosting countries.

I agree with your argument. At the most, only one team should qualify to the main tournament as hosts. Else European Union will host the tournament sometime in the future and will demand automatic qualification for all of its 27 member nations. There needs to be a clear-cut rule one the number of nations that can qualify directly. If 4 nations are hosting the tournament, then let them play a quadrangular series among themselves. The winner from that tournament can qualify directly, while the other three teams should be asked to participate in the qualifier tournaments.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 19, 2023, 11:33:17 AM

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Quote from: Volgastallion on July 17, 2023, 01:56:21 PM

I dont like to see so much countries making one World Cup, but also i dont like when the selected country is a non footb all one, or a non so good country to explore/travel. The last one on Qatar was an clear example, the World CUp was made in a very tiny country with not football tradition , and only backed by the power of money.

With the increase on the number of teams I do not think FIFA has too much of a choice, the amount of money needed to organize the tournament has gone up while the logistic issues have scaled up as well, so it seems to me that the right decision was to let more than one country to host the world cup, what it must never happen again is to allow a country or a group of countries to buy the world cup, which is exactly what Qatar and probably Russia did before.

That doesn't matter by increasing the number of countries hosting the World Cup or countries being able to do it together, but there shouldn't be more than two countries because it will affect the number of countries that have the opportunity to qualify, because the host country will get automatic participation in the world cup later. If there are only two organizers, it will be easier to divide the portion of the matches for each country, each will get the same number of matches, one as the opening and the other as the closing, but FIFA always has an excuse because they are the organization with the power to regulate this, but if the 2030 World Cup organizers are won by 4 countries from the Americas how unpleasant that would be because it reduces the chances of other countries in CONMEBOL qualifying for the World Cup.

Four countries as a World Cup host will be too much because that would be very unfair to the other teams who will have to qualify and have a hard time to go through the qualifiers of which 32 teams will be only accepted. I think 3 countries will be the maximum line, although there's no written rule for this, it will be a common sense not to have more than 3 hosts to remain fair.

It's just that Canada-America-Mexico agreed to make a bid together to increase their chances and indeed, they succeeded and they are the first ones who will host the world cup with 3 hosting countries.

Even having three countries to host the world cup was a lot for 2026 because we know America itself could easily host it without a problem and having three hosts is not something they need because America hosted the world cup before and they were hosting it perfectly without any problem.

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Quote from: Strongkored on July 19, 2023, 08:43:12 AM

Quote from: Silberman on July 18, 2023, 12:40:58 AM

Quote from: Volgastallion on July 17, 2023, 01:56:21 PM

I dont like to see so much countries making one World Cup, but also i dont like when the selected country is a non footb all one, or a non so good country to explore/travel. The last one on Qatar was an clear example, the World CUp was made in a very tiny country with not football tradition , and only backed by the power of money.

With the increase on the number of teams I do not think FIFA has too much of a choice, the amount of money needed to organize the tournament has gone up while the logistic issues have scaled up as well, so it seems to me that the right decision was to let more than one country to host the world cup, what it must never happen again is to allow a country or a group of countries to buy the world cup, which is exactly what Qatar and probably Russia did before.

That doesn't matter by increasing the number of countries hosting the World Cup or countries being able to do it together, but there shouldn't be more than two countries because it will affect the number of countries that have the opportunity to qualify, because the host country will get automatic participation in the world cup later. If there are only two organizers, it will be easier to divide the portion of the matches for each country, each will get the same number of matches, one as the opening and the other as the closing, but FIFA always has an excuse because they are the organization with the power to regulate this, but if the 2030 World Cup organizers are won by 4 countries from the Americas how unpleasant that would be because it reduces the chances of other countries in CONMEBOL qualifying for the World Cup.

Four countries as a World Cup host will be too much because that would be very unfair to the other teams who will have to qualify and have a hard time to go through the qualifiers of which 32 teams will be only accepted. I think 3 countries will be the maximum line, although there's no written rule for this, it will be a common sense not to have more than 3 hosts to remain fair.

It's just that Canada-America-Mexico agreed to make a bid together to increase their chances and indeed, they succeeded and they are the first ones who will host the world cup with 3 hosting countries.

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Quote from: Strongkored on July 19, 2023, 08:43:12 AM

Quote from: Silberman on July 18, 2023, 12:40:58 AM

Quote from: Volgastallion on July 17, 2023, 01:56:21 PM

I dont like to see so much countries making one World Cup, but also i dont like when the selected country is a non footb all one, or a non so good country to explore/travel. The last one on Qatar was an clear example, the World CUp was made in a very tiny country with not football tradition , and only backed by the power of money.

With the increase on the number of teams I do not think FIFA has too much of a choice, the amount of money needed to organize the tournament has gone up while the logistic issues have scaled up as well, so it seems to me that the right decision was to let more than one country to host the world cup, what it must never happen again is to allow a country or a group of countries to buy the world cup, which is exactly what Qatar and probably Russia did before.

That doesn't matter by increasing the number of countries hosting the World Cup or countries being able to do it together, but there shouldn't be more than two countries because it will affect the number of countries that have the opportunity to qualify, because the host country will get automatic participation in the world cup later. If there are only two organizers, it will be easier to divide the portion of the matches for each country, each will get the same number of matches, one as the opening and the other as the closing, but FIFA always has an excuse because they are the organization with the power to regulate this, but if the 2030 World Cup organizers are won by 4 countries from the Americas how unpleasant that would be because it reduces the chances of other countries in CONMEBOL qualifying for the World Cup.

I have to admit that it all makes no sense to me anymore.
Once upon a time, we had world cups with only 16 national teams and only 1 host.
In a few years we will have a world cup with 48 national teams and 3 hosts, and I would not be surprised if in 2030 FIFA organizes a world cup with 64 national teams and 4 hosts.
Obviously, FIFA no longer cares about football but only about making money, so maybe in 20 or 30 years we won't have qualifications for the World Cup at all because all the national teams of the world will have the right to participate Grin

I'm almost certain we'll have a world cup every 2 years soon.
All together this no longer makes sense.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 18, 2023, 12:40:58 AM

Quote from: Volgastallion on July 17, 2023, 01:56:21 PM

I dont like to see so much countries making one World Cup, but also i dont like when the selected country is a non footb all one, or a non so good country to explore/travel. The last one on Qatar was an clear example, the World CUp was made in a very tiny country with not football tradition , and only backed by the power of money.

With the increase on the number of teams I do not think FIFA has too much of a choice, the amount of money needed to organize the tournament has gone up while the logistic issues have scaled up as well, so it seems to me that the right decision was to let more than one country to host the world cup, what it must never happen again is to allow a country or a group of countries to buy the world cup, which is exactly what Qatar and probably Russia did before.

That doesn't matter by increasing the number of countries hosting the World Cup or countries being able to do it together, but there shouldn't be more than two countries because it will affect the number of countries that have the opportunity to qualify, because the host country will get automatic participation in the world cup later. If there are only two organizers, it will be easier to divide the portion of the matches for each country, each will get the same number of matches, one as the opening and the other as the closing, but FIFA always has an excuse because they are the organization with the power to regulate this, but if the 2030 World Cup organizers are won by 4 countries from the Americas how unpleasant that would be because it reduces the chances of other countries in CONMEBOL qualifying for the World Cup.

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Quote from: swogerino on July 19, 2023, 01:45:41 AM

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In the group C I think both Nigeria and South Africa will qualify further away from the group stages because the other teams are much lower in quality compared to them.

Both of these teams can't qualify. Only the top ranked team from each group will qualify. That's why I said that in all probability one of these two teams will miss the ticket to USA. If either Nigeria and South Africa finish at no.2 in their group, then they will get a chance to play the inter-continent playoffs. But out of 9 second placed teams, only one will get a chance to play that match. It is going to be tough. So for both these teams, it is very crucial to finish at the top of the points table. Anyway, personally I will be disappointed in case Nigeria and South Africa lose out. Because I have always regarded them as some of the strongest teams in Africa.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 18, 2023, 10:26:03 PM

^^^^ One thing that I have noticed with the draw for 2026 FIFA World Cup qualification (CAF) is that in Group C two strong teams are place together - Nigeria and South Africa. Nigeria failed to qualify for the 2022 edition and this time also they are going to have a tough time against South Africa. Other teams in Group C are not that strong though - Rwanda, Benin, Zimbabwe and Lesotho. Group I is going to be tough as well, as Mali and Ghana are placed in the same group. Anyway, with 9 teams qualifying to FIFA 2026, there will be a lot more representation from CAF this time.

Yeah, Nigeria and South Africa are actually quite good teams.

I think I've never seen Mali playing, and probably the others as well, Benin, Rwanda, and Lesotho. So it would be an interesting opportunity to see how they play.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 18, 2023, 10:26:03 PM

^^^^ One thing that I have noticed with the draw for 2026 FIFA World Cup qualification (CAF) is that in Group C two strong teams are place together - Nigeria and South Africa. Nigeria failed to qualify for the 2022 edition and this time also they are going to have a tough time against South Africa. Other teams in Group C are not that strong though - Rwanda, Benin, Zimbabwe and Lesotho. Group I is going to be tough as well, as Mali and Ghana are placed in the same group. Anyway, with 9 teams qualifying to FIFA 2026, there will be a lot more representation from CAF this time.

The quality of this World Cup will most probably be lower as it will be the first time one such event will hold a huge number of teams compared to the usual 32 teams we are used to see in other World Cup.This is the belief of many while I personally believe that this can have a complete opposite effect,meaning more times will have an opportunity to show their skills and who knows they may surprise us all as the ball is round and it is just a 90 minute game where anything can happen.

In the group C I think both Nigeria and South Africa will qualify further away from the group stages because the other teams are much lower in quality compared to them.

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^^^^ One thing that I have noticed with the draw for 2026 FIFA World Cup qualification (CAF) is that in Group C two strong teams are place together - Nigeria and South Africa. Nigeria failed to qualify for the 2022 edition and this time also they are going to have a tough time against South Africa. Other teams in Group C are not that strong though - Rwanda, Benin, Zimbabwe and Lesotho. Group I is going to be tough as well, as Mali and Ghana are placed in the same group. Anyway, with 9 teams qualifying to FIFA 2026, there will be a lot more representation from CAF this time.

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well, the names and group that my country is in and the teams in which he will have to play against them have already been announced, my country will have to play against somalia, botswana, uganda, guine - conakry and algeria and we are in the group G. is not a very strong group, although some national teams that were weak in the past managed to improve their performance a lot in recent years, I would say that the problematic ones in this group G in which my country is without a doubt are algeria and guine - concri and as my country has not been a very strong team, then the chances of passing and going to the 2026 world cup will be an almost impossible task

anyway, here you can have a better vision for the groups in africa:

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(CAF)

with this higher number of teams and this qualification model it seems to me to be fairer and that many good teams that also had no opportunity to go to the world cup will now be able to go, of course in the case of my country it would need a great miracle to go to the world cup and from what I see, even if they had some miracle to be in the world cup, they wouldn't beat anyone in the world cup.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 17, 2023, 11:28:05 AM

No need to mention because it's already obvious and even if we don't have any substantial evidence to prove our speculations, it is already safe to assume that there are negotiations happening behind the curtain to increase their chances to host the next World Cup.

Money is not really a big deal here if they bribe someone within the organization because the sky rocketing profits in return will not be comparable to what they bribed.

Yes, it's probably safe to say they moved behind the scenes to negotiate. And from the word negotiation, anything can be done to make the negotiation go smoothly. Negotiations will always be there, and one of the clean and healthy negotiations when they give a presentation of what the country proposing to host can do, they can sell that to make FIFA believe and entrust it to that country. But the question is when the negotiations are done behind the scenes and no one knows about the process. It is natural that in the end it raises suspicion.v

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Quote from: Silberman on July 18, 2023, 12:40:58 AM

Quote from: Volgastallion on July 17, 2023, 01:56:21 PM

I dont like to see so much countries making one World Cup, but also i dont like when the selected country is a non footb all one, or a non so good country to explore/travel. The last one on Qatar was an clear example, the World CUp was made in a very tiny country with not football tradition , and only backed by the power of money.

With the increase on the number of teams I do not think FIFA has too much of a choice, the amount of money needed to organize the tournament has gone up while the logistic issues have scaled up as well, so it seems to me that the right decision was to let more than one country to host the world cup, what it must never happen again is to allow a country or a group of countries to buy the world cup, which is exactly what Qatar and probably Russia did before.

Increasing the number of teams in the world cup means we're going to have more countries and there will be a higher chance for all countries to be in the world cup, this is good because we are going to have a greater community and more people from all over the world can have their teams in this tournament but still, we are going to have the more weak teams we normally could have these teams in the world.

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To be honest, I can't understand where the sarcasm is, as Infantino already lobbies for a World Cup every two years. Of course, as you correctly noted, this will destroy all records, but I think everyone will understand the value of new records compared to those that were set in the old format.

Well.. what is wrong with having a world cup every two years? If leagues such as English Premier League, Ligue1 and Serie A can be conducted every year, spanning for 4-5 months, then what is wrong in having a FIFA tournament every 2 years which will get completed in around 1 month duration? IMO, clubs are having a disproportionate influence in global football and the importance of international competitions are going down. IMO, this is not a move in the right direction, because the clubs only care about money and not about the overall growth of the game.

Do you believe in good ~~fairy~~ officials who take care of the game? Grin

Football is a business. Clubs are those who do business and they are responsible for it with their money. Everything else - FIFA, UEFA and other shit is parasites. I always trust a businessman more (because I have a direct influence on him with my money) than degenerate officials who dispose of the fruits of other people's labor. I have a completely different view of things than you: in my opinion, clubs should have more influence (like the NHL), and all other officials and competitions held by them should be in a marginal niche.

Agree with you
but at least we don't see so many scandals in FIFA than in general corrupt governments
or there are lots of scandals and I'm the one who don't know about it? Roll Eyes

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