Topic: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 19. (Read 62565 times)

I believe the first really big wake up call was when Brazil got destroyed when they hosted the World Cup in 2014 against Germany. I don't know the data, but it must have been the worst defeat in decades for them? Losing a game 7-1 when you host the World Cup as the biggest football nation of all times is like red alert.

I don't know whether Ronaldinho could have won them anything in 2010, especially as Spain was on a level of their own. But still the game against the Netherlands, the final opponent for Spain, was in great shape too. But it were the small things back then and when Brazil got the red card, it was pretty much game over.

Now I think what is concerning is that playing bad is not an exception anymore for Brazil. They have won the game now and they will get away with it and qualify for sure, but 13 points after 9 games? That's brutal and I understand every Brazilian fan to be frustrated. They still have some of the greatest players in the world and yet they can't put a functioning squad together.

There may be some people who feel unacceptable because many of the national team players are filled with diaspora players, so it becomes a debate. However, the Indonesian national team is not entirely filled with diaspora players, and this shows that Shin Tae-young has a balance in choosing players. So apart from relying on diaspora players, he also gives opportunities to local players who do have potential and ability. This shows that Shin Tae-young's main goal is to strengthen the national team, trying to utilize the best talents, regardless of where they come from.

And further in the Asian zone World Cup qualifying event group c, Indonesia has never experienced defeat. And when we watched yesterday's match when the Indonesian national team played against Bahrain. Although Indonesia has a bad history when playing against Bahrain, where Indonesia lost 10-0 to Bahrain at that time. But in yesterday's match, the young Garuda played quite well and managed to match Bahrain's game. in the match Indonesia should have come out as the winner, but because in the match there were several controversial referee decisions, in the end the match ended in a draw.

In a few days Indonesia will face China, and I believe Indonesia will win 3 points, even though they are playing away.

For me, the last chance brazil had to win the World Cup was in 2010 when Ronaldinho was not called up. This was Dunga's biggest mistake, as he was the coach at the time. He was heavily criticized at the time. Furthermore, he could have called up Neymar, but Neymar was too young at the time and I don't know if he'd be able to handle the pressure of being in a World Cup and if he would have enough physical strength to handle it, because Neymar gets injured very easily, even today.

Other players like Adriano and Ronaldo, who were at Corinthians at the time, could also be considered.

Not to mention that the 2010 World Cup was one of the most special of all. I don't remember another World Cup as themed as that one. If Brazil had won that World Cup, I'd have been satisfied. They could have gone another 4 World Cups without winning.

Maybe I am not alone in this thought or maybe I am just myself, but I honestly believe Brazil should not even be in 2026 world cup. Because they are doing terrible right now and even if they can barely go there, they are going to be humiliated. The best would be just pulling the plug early and trying to recover from the current state they are in. They will realize something is wrong, and next time they will have more hunger towards world cup.

In this case, world cup 2030 could become something they can win, and this is why they should miss this time around. I am not considering this as a big deal at the moment, but I believe they could definitely miss and be better later on. After all, what's the point of joining in, and then do terrible and go back home, if you could not even join for once but have a chance to win next time. I remember 2022 was a period where people thought Brazil was top three team, and now they are not even top 5 or 10.

Honestly I was very happy when the match had been going on until the 97th minute. I mean this would be Indonesia's first win in the qualifying round and they deserved to win this match. Unfortunately the referee kept wasting time until a corner kick resulted in a goal. This is a disappointing result but we should not keep thinking about this match. Currently Indonesia is ranked 5th in the standings. This is not a good result and losing 3 points is really very disappointing. I hope Indonesia can win the match against China so that they still have a chance to qualify for the 2026 World Cup.

Those who expect the current Brazil team to fill the hexa may be fools because they are not looking at the recent poor performances of these players ie the performance of the Brazil team. Even those with the slightest knowledge of football would not say right now that Brazil will be able to complete the hexa mission with their current squad. The condition of this team has now reached such a level that they are going to miss out on a place in the World Cup after losing most of the World Cup qualifiers.

However, they went one step closer to qualifying for the World Cup with a win over Chile in their last match. For the Brazil team to fulfill the hexa mission, they need to develop more skilled players who will take the team to the highest level of success with extreme confidence and great performances.

The Hexa plan for the Brazilian team will be a practically impossible objective to achieve in this World Cup, even though they have good players on the team, there are no tactics, rehearsed plays, there is no standard of play... Can someone please tell me what Brazil's game system is? Because I can't see any... It's been 22 years since Brazil won a World Cup, that's a long time, the truly above-average players left the Brazilian team in 2006, that is, 18 years ago, since then it has been said that it is a renewal of the team, but a renewal that lasts almost 2 decades? That's all wrong.

And yes most of them are now from their grandparents who are from Indonesia today who want to defend this nation, although there are many complaints about what Indonesia is doing, but FIFA regulations still do not limit it, it is a legal way.
BTW the Indonesia vs Bahrain match last night disappointed me because the referee didn't calculate the end time correctly, he gave 6 minutes extra time while it ended with 9 minutes in the second half which is very coincidental or on purpose that at that time Bahrain managed to equalize their position from Indonesia which ended with a 2-2 draw.

It was quite funny to see how the match ended. And if you look at the referee's face, after the second goal scored by Bahrain, we can see that he wanted to quickly blow the whistle to signal the end of the game. This is indeed an annoying ending. But I hope that the Indonesian national team must also maintain their focus even when the coach has not blown the whistle to signal the end of the match. Even though the time will be longer, if the Indonesian national team maintains its focus then I am sure this team can maintain their advantage in this match. Unfortunately, the Indonesian players lost focus in the match due to the referee taking too long to tolerate time that even exceeded 3 minutes. I think everyone who watched the match also realized all the irregularities in the match.  But the most important thing is that hopefully in the match against China we will be able to see Indonesia win the match more convincingly.

So it is their fault while Indonesia is not that strong and better team.  Against Bahrain, Indonesia could not win the match, if they worked hard against them, they could have won the match.  But they could not succeed, which was the real reason.

 If they look better in the next matches, sure, but teams like them learn very little. But the referee shouldn't have done it because that alone explains why.  If it will do such things, it should really be applied for.  So team should work hard and get points, if not next time play with good preparation and win. But if a hard-won team is treated unfairly, it is an insult to the game.

Brazil just got a boost to their ambition to qualify for the next World Cup by defeating Chile today. Chile took the lead earlier and Brazil equalized before the end of the first half. It took the Brazilian side more than forty minutes to get the winning goal through Luiz Henrique. With these three points, the Samba Boy are now in the fourth position with thirteen points. This will be a big relief to coach Dorival Jr after securing just ten points in eight games. The Brazilian national team are highly unpredictable; they shouldn't be underrated. The country has so many quality players, and if a coach can put together the right squad, they can win any competition.

Of course, Brazil try hard enough to fulfill their hexa mission, but they fail time and again. I think there is a lot of lack of Brazilian team's play and confidence, which is why they are not playing at their best. It is true that the Argentina team has performed very poorly in the last few years, and they have come to the last minute to win the World Cup and the Copa América with great success. In that case, I would like to say that since Brazil team has been performing poorly for many years, they must try to improve their game. Although the Brazil team is currently strong, if their strategy and confidence are good, they will certainly be able to fulfill their hexa mission. However, if the Brazil team is to fulfill its dream, they will have to improve from the whole place but will be able to fulfill their Hexa mission.

In the end, Maarten Paes was able to play from the start and it was very encouraging condition for all Indonesian supporters and also an advantage for the Indonesian national team itself because the presence of Maarten Paes gave confidence to all players that they had great goalkeeper and it was very possible to win.
He played very well today and I saw Maarten Paes make several saves even though he did not respond to anything in the first goal scored by Bahrain thanks to very hard free kick from Mohamed Marhoon that hit the top goalpost and bounced in.
It just that Indonesia game was very good so that they were able to restore the situation by equalizing and managed to dominate the game in the second half until they were able to score goal again for 1 - 2 advantage before something quite surprising happened where the extra time for the second half exceeded the limit and gave Bahrain the opportunity to score goal again and equalize the score to 2 - 2.

This match showed different condition, in the first half Bahrain was superior in terms of attack and defense because all players were really able to block every Indonesian attack attempt by always closing the space in every position of the Indonesian players.
It just that in the second half Indonesia game was very good, they could defend better and get various right positions in every attack attempt, but there was lot of drama in this match, I quite salute Indonesia game which is really getting crazier with significant increase in quality.
I also got betting win in this match, next against China I think Indonesia can get an absolute victory.

Hopefully, they learned from this and aim to secure victory with 2 goal difference or at the very least improve their concentration in the last minutes of a match so they don't concede late goals again. Complaining about unfairness can't guarantee anything IMO, even if governing bodies revise or stop using a controversial referee I don't think they'll change the results of a match that has ended. A football team can only depend on themselves to secure 3 points in this modern time.

It was very controversial the referee at Bahrain vs Indonesia match, Indonesia failed to secure three points after conceding in the final minute of added time. One of the most controversial things about referee Ahmed Al-Kaf was that there were many favorable violations for the Bahrain National Team during the 6 minutes of added time, but the goal occurred in the 99th minute or more than three minutes of added time.

During the 6 minutes of extra time, there was no stoppage at all but referee Ahmed Al-Kaf had another point of view with the match running until the 99th minute and making Indonesia fail to get their first three points in the qualifying round.
I think FIFA and AFC make serious investigate how bad and controversial of Ahmed Al-Kaf to suspend him from all FIFA and AFC matches for the future.

I was really disappointed with the performance of the referee from Oman in that match. Since the beginning of the match I saw indications of cheating by the referee. Of course I can't judge him because I'm from Indonesia and the referee understands the rules of football better. However, Bahrain's second goal really didn't make sense. The referee gave 6 minutes of additional time and in the 6th minute the referee didn't end the match but waited for Bahrain to attack from their defense line. I wouldn't have been disappointed if Bahrain scored in the 90+5 minute but they scored in the 90+9 minute. He reminded me of the referee who cheated Italy in the 2002 World Cup.

That injury time is always the such thing to be controverted. I don't know why the referee always not consistent to blow the whistle when the time was appropriate. From 6 minutes to 9 minutes is not acceptable. Yes i can accept when the time extended to 7 minutes, but over 3 minutes is an exaggeration. And when I look how Mohammed Marhoon stand, that look offside, he stands in front from Indonesia defender and the referee didn't look him as offside. So I think this match is not fair for Indonesia, not only lost my bet  , I lose also my excitement throughout the game. Now, we have to win against china on next 15 October to to secure 3dr or 4th the position stand.

Currently competing with Argentina team is Venezuela team, today's game is the most competitive game as the result of the game is already drawn. Argentina is the strongest team in this match and their squad is full of the best players in the world. But the Argentinian team is ready to survive in any situation till the last minute, this match will definitely be won by the Argentinian team because their attack is so much in the last minute that the opposite team is in a lot of panic. So of course we have to wait to see this game and finally the result, and the gamblers are waiting the most.

Historically, FIFA has determined that an athlete must have the permanent nationality of a country, whether born or naturalized, in order to represent the respective national team, in addition to prohibiting, as a general rule, a player from representing a second national team after playing for a first one in an official competition of any category or type of football.

But... there are exceptions:
There are some requirements that must be met to allow a player to change sporting nationality in order to represent another national team.
Since 2009, FIFA has removed the age restriction of 21 years and in 2020, some other criteria for multiple eligibility and change of association were changed:
1. Being born in the desired country;
2. Your parents or grandparents were born in the country, or;
3. Having lived continuously in the country for at least 2 years.

While FIFA did not make a ban on the naturalization of descendants, I thought it was legitimate either any country, maybe even if there were some other countries that had descendants of Indonesian blood it was worthy to get the right if you wanted to play in the Indonesian national team.
Yes, even though it is said that the Netherlands v2.0 or even v.10 even if it is allowed in my opinion it does not need to be a conversation that is too long.