Topic: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 20. (Read 62889 times)

Yes, all the less than satisfactory results from the matches that have been played will be able to provide learning and also motivation to all players to be able to perform better later when Indonesia plays at home, this is also an opportunity for Indonesia to be able to beat Bahrain more absolutely.
Previously, Bahrain had also received controversy due to several incidents carried out by supporters when they faced Japan and now it has happened again in the match against Indonesia with several ridiculous things that should not have been done, but this is football and also competition where there are always things beyond reason that will happen.
However, Indonesia does not need to worry because there are still many opportunities and of course all hopes can still be had for Indonesian fans to see their country compete in the 2026 World Cup, I think for the group C only Japan is difficult team to match and for several other team I believe they can still be mainstay for Indonesia to continue to get points from each match.

At this time there is no point in regretting the last match because no matter how Indonesia continue to protests, of course, it will not change the result of the match, I see that actually the referee's decision may not have had an impact on Indonesia's victory when if Witan had not wasted some of the opportunities that existed when he counterattacked and if he had not been in possession of the ball for the longest time by directly passing to Marselino,  I think we will see different results at this time regardless of the referee support for Bahrain in the match, now of course Indonesia main focus is to face China, although they look weaker on paper but Indonesia should not underestimate China which has a high spirit in playing, looking at the comparison of the two teams at this time, it is likely that Indonesia will get points of course wide open because of China position at the bottom of the standings now,meanwhile, if we talk about the possibilities that happen in other teams, I agree with you because indeed football today no longer seems to be fair play and insiders often determine the final result, but even so, Indonesia must remain focused on getting 3 points in the next match.

I am sure they can maintain their mentality very well, even this very disappointing result can be a motivation for them to be more effective. I think it will be a different story when they can take advantage of the opportunities that occur in extra time, and if it can be used as a goal then it will be a game killer. Indeed, in football you cannot expect to get the fairest justice, sometimes that factor makes the results not in accordance with expectations. I even saw an official post from Bahrain noting that the goal they created occurred in the 90+6 minute, it was very funny. This is a lesson for Indonesia that when they have improved there are things that will bother them.

Yes, Indonesia Team must focus on the next match versus China, when I look on paper, Indonesia is look more powerful to defeat china on their home. But, Indonesia team must not be careless because many factors china can win or make draw the match like supporters or players ambition to rise from the bottom board. At the moment, china don't have point yet, still 0, which I think the player have motivation to get at least 1 point to face the shamed from their fans. So, if Indonesia win, they can fix their position at least to 2nd position if Japan wins vs Australia, and Bahrain draws versus Saudi. But, we know Bahrain have backing or insider on AFC, that maybe they can win versus Saudi, so that situation 3rd position can be realistic for Indonesian position on stand.

by the way, I just won Peru vs Uruguay a while ago,  this is insane when I look at how darwin nunez Is getting hard to pierce Peru defender

I'm pretty sure that's what the captain said in one of the interviews. He said in football you can't expect fairness to win you the game, so they need to move on and prepare for the next match asap. I think the chance for them to go to the next round is still high anyway since they will face Bahrain again in Jakarta. Who knows maybe they'll get another 3 points from Australia or Arab too, or steal another point and finish with 10 points or so. It's still too early for them to give up.

Some indonesian people are considers the referee has been stole their victory this because during the match the referee has been make several controversial decision for Indonesia besides that i have watching Bahrain players always be provoke Indonesian players and always be over reacted when Indonesa did foul to them and indeed the most controversial decision for this match is when stoppage time is too long until reach to 9 minutes which this is unacceptable

However regardless all of the referee decision but Indonesia can't do anything because in fact they only can playing draw from Bahrain but i think Indonesian players should be forget this result and focus for upcoming match against China and so far China is the weakest team in group C because until 3 matches they still unable to collect points and hopefully this time Indonesia can beat China and gets 3 points from this match

I think is not all that simple to identify an exact point in time as the beginning of their decline. Frankly, only counting titles would not be appropriate as winning it is incredibly hard. Back in 2010 the Netherlands played an incredible game and their team was impressive with Snijder and Robben and van Persie, etc. In other words, it is fine when you lose a game against such a high quality team. It can happen to anyone, Brazil included of course. But the 7-1 against Germany was a shocker for me.

You could of course go back so far and mention 2006 as well, but France has indeed been a very good team, too. But the decline that you could now recently observe is taking place on a different level. They can barely beat the South American underdogs. If it wasn't for so many ranks to qualify from South America for the World Cup, I would still be hesitant to say that they will make it. Now with these conditions they will make it, but they are not playing like any Brazilian team from the past. They are losing more than 50% of their games and without disrespect towards all of those great South American players, Brazil has been above anyone else along with Argentina for a very long time.

But as always when the real games are around the corner, I still think that Brazil is able to beat a lot of other teams when they are in good form.

Whenever there are games involving national teams, the number of players who suffer injuries increases. Unfortunately, FIFA seems to ignore this. Today I read news that says Valentin Carboni suffered an injury.

Valentín Carboni Suffered Serious Injury with Argentina National Team


source: https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/football/1922165-valentin-carboni-suffered-serious-injury-with-argentina-national-team

Well, FIFA needs to start thinking about organizing a calendar that doesn't put the players under too much pressure, because with so many competitions, the players end up suffering a lot from injuries and consequently the teams are harmed. The Argentine national team is starting to have problems in the squad in terms of quality, many high quality Argentine players are retiring or have already retired and the current Argentine coach has not been putting certain players like Paulo Dybala, so I see Argentina falling in performance in the near future when Messi retires.

2014 world cup at home was really the peak of brazilian soccer decadence personified on the match they lost by 7x1 against Germany. However, the decline started in the world cup of 2006. Brazil was the favorite, but failed to manage beating France on quarter finals, if I remember correctly, with the goal of Thierry Henry.

From that world cup on, everything has fallen apart for Brazil in soccer. Even Neymar, idolized by a vast number of fans globally, wasn't enough for Brazil to retrieve its glory.

A new composition is needed in brazilian national team. To start playing as a squad and to stop idolizing one player or another should be the first step. The reinforcements yesterday from Botafogo was decisive for the victory against Chile. And both Botafogo' players, Igor Jesus and Luiz Henrique, were unknown players for majority of the public.

I'm pretty sure there are others like them. It's the objective of the scout team to find them, just like Botafogo is doing, and adding great value to the club's performance.

3 minutes in Bahrain's favor and it made me disappointed when Bahrain managed to equalize then the Referee blew the whistle, and the match should have been finished in the 96th minute but instead it stopped in the 99th minute, this is the bad behavior of this match, and now Bahrain's victory is controversial many suspect it was deliberate and Indonesia seriously states that this match is not fair, we should now be in second place in the group but it was thwarted by the referee who was inconsistent with the extra time given before.

The funny math going on right now is 90+6=99.

I believe the first really big wake up call was when Brazil got destroyed when they hosted the World Cup in 2014 against Germany. I don't know the data, but it must have been the worst defeat in decades for them? Losing a game 7-1 when you host the World Cup as the biggest football nation of all times is like red alert.

I don't know whether Ronaldinho could have won them anything in 2010, especially as Spain was on a level of their own. But still the game against the Netherlands, the final opponent for Spain, was in great shape too. But it were the small things back then and when Brazil got the red card, it was pretty much game over.

Now I think what is concerning is that playing bad is not an exception anymore for Brazil. They have won the game now and they will get away with it and qualify for sure, but 13 points after 9 games? That's brutal and I understand every Brazilian fan to be frustrated. They still have some of the greatest players in the world and yet they can't put a functioning squad together.

There may be some people who feel unacceptable because many of the national team players are filled with diaspora players, so it becomes a debate. However, the Indonesian national team is not entirely filled with diaspora players, and this shows that Shin Tae-young has a balance in choosing players. So apart from relying on diaspora players, he also gives opportunities to local players who do have potential and ability. This shows that Shin Tae-young's main goal is to strengthen the national team, trying to utilize the best talents, regardless of where they come from.

And further in the Asian zone World Cup qualifying event group c, Indonesia has never experienced defeat. And when we watched yesterday's match when the Indonesian national team played against Bahrain. Although Indonesia has a bad history when playing against Bahrain, where Indonesia lost 10-0 to Bahrain at that time. But in yesterday's match, the young Garuda played quite well and managed to match Bahrain's game. in the match Indonesia should have come out as the winner, but because in the match there were several controversial referee decisions, in the end the match ended in a draw.

In a few days Indonesia will face China, and I believe Indonesia will win 3 points, even though they are playing away.

For me, the last chance brazil had to win the World Cup was in 2010 when Ronaldinho was not called up. This was Dunga's biggest mistake, as he was the coach at the time. He was heavily criticized at the time. Furthermore, he could have called up Neymar, but Neymar was too young at the time and I don't know if he'd be able to handle the pressure of being in a World Cup and if he would have enough physical strength to handle it, because Neymar gets injured very easily, even today.

Other players like Adriano and Ronaldo, who were at Corinthians at the time, could also be considered.

Not to mention that the 2010 World Cup was one of the most special of all. I don't remember another World Cup as themed as that one. If Brazil had won that World Cup, I'd have been satisfied. They could have gone another 4 World Cups without winning.

Maybe I am not alone in this thought or maybe I am just myself, but I honestly believe Brazil should not even be in 2026 world cup. Because they are doing terrible right now and even if they can barely go there, they are going to be humiliated. The best would be just pulling the plug early and trying to recover from the current state they are in. They will realize something is wrong, and next time they will have more hunger towards world cup.

In this case, world cup 2030 could become something they can win, and this is why they should miss this time around. I am not considering this as a big deal at the moment, but I believe they could definitely miss and be better later on. After all, what's the point of joining in, and then do terrible and go back home, if you could not even join for once but have a chance to win next time. I remember 2022 was a period where people thought Brazil was top three team, and now they are not even top 5 or 10.

Honestly I was very happy when the match had been going on until the 97th minute. I mean this would be Indonesia's first win in the qualifying round and they deserved to win this match. Unfortunately the referee kept wasting time until a corner kick resulted in a goal. This is a disappointing result but we should not keep thinking about this match. Currently Indonesia is ranked 5th in the standings. This is not a good result and losing 3 points is really very disappointing. I hope Indonesia can win the match against China so that they still have a chance to qualify for the 2026 World Cup.

Those who expect the current Brazil team to fill the hexa may be fools because they are not looking at the recent poor performances of these players ie the performance of the Brazil team. Even those with the slightest knowledge of football would not say right now that Brazil will be able to complete the hexa mission with their current squad. The condition of this team has now reached such a level that they are going to miss out on a place in the World Cup after losing most of the World Cup qualifiers.

However, they went one step closer to qualifying for the World Cup with a win over Chile in their last match. For the Brazil team to fulfill the hexa mission, they need to develop more skilled players who will take the team to the highest level of success with extreme confidence and great performances.

The Hexa plan for the Brazilian team will be a practically impossible objective to achieve in this World Cup, even though they have good players on the team, there are no tactics, rehearsed plays, there is no standard of play... Can someone please tell me what Brazil's game system is? Because I can't see any... It's been 22 years since Brazil won a World Cup, that's a long time, the truly above-average players left the Brazilian team in 2006, that is, 18 years ago, since then it has been said that it is a renewal of the team, but a renewal that lasts almost 2 decades? That's all wrong.

And yes most of them are now from their grandparents who are from Indonesia today who want to defend this nation, although there are many complaints about what Indonesia is doing, but FIFA regulations still do not limit it, it is a legal way.
BTW the Indonesia vs Bahrain match last night disappointed me because the referee didn't calculate the end time correctly, he gave 6 minutes extra time while it ended with 9 minutes in the second half which is very coincidental or on purpose that at that time Bahrain managed to equalize their position from Indonesia which ended with a 2-2 draw.

It was quite funny to see how the match ended. And if you look at the referee's face, after the second goal scored by Bahrain, we can see that he wanted to quickly blow the whistle to signal the end of the game. This is indeed an annoying ending. But I hope that the Indonesian national team must also maintain their focus even when the coach has not blown the whistle to signal the end of the match. Even though the time will be longer, if the Indonesian national team maintains its focus then I am sure this team can maintain their advantage in this match. Unfortunately, the Indonesian players lost focus in the match due to the referee taking too long to tolerate time that even exceeded 3 minutes. I think everyone who watched the match also realized all the irregularities in the match.  But the most important thing is that hopefully in the match against China we will be able to see Indonesia win the match more convincingly.

So it is their fault while Indonesia is not that strong and better team.  Against Bahrain, Indonesia could not win the match, if they worked hard against them, they could have won the match.  But they could not succeed, which was the real reason.

 If they look better in the next matches, sure, but teams like them learn very little. But the referee shouldn't have done it because that alone explains why.  If it will do such things, it should really be applied for.  So team should work hard and get points, if not next time play with good preparation and win. But if a hard-won team is treated unfairly, it is an insult to the game.