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What the fuck just hapened in today Asian qualifications?

South Korea cant beat a very weak Palestine and they were playing with the full starters and stars of the team like Son and the other ones who play for top teams on Europe.

And in other game Australia lose against Bahrain!!!! Incredible, i dont know how many bets destroy this two games but for sure its gonna be a few ones who thinks this was super safe to bet on it...... and guess what? Nothing is sure in betting.
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3rd round of Asian qualifiers starts today.
Group A consist of Iran, Qatar, Uzbekistan, UAE, Kyrgyzstan and North Korea.
Group B consist of South Korea, Iraq, Jordan, Oman, Palestine and Kuwait.
Group C consist of Japan, Australia, Indonesia, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and China.

These indeed are the top 18 teams from AFC and are competing for 8 direct spots in world cup and top 2 of every of these group would have direct qualifications to the world cup 2026.
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 On 15th June 2024, Brazil and Barcelona legend Ronaldinho's speech about the Brazil team I don't think he allowed himself to be exposed to the media or spotlighted. Basically he gave that speech out of the anger that was building up inside him. Ahead of the 2022 FIFA World Cup, Brazil lost to their arch-rivals Argentina in the final match of the Copa America, and since then their team's poor performances have started. As a result of which they did not show any brilliant performance in the Qatar FIFA World Cup as well due to which they were knocked out in the quarter finals despite being a five-time World Cup winning team in that World Cup as well. We have seen them perform poorly in this year's Copa America as well. Maybe the legendary players are angry because of the reckless performances of the young Brazilian players.

That's probably what happened, as a legendary player and one of the best of all time, watching his "substitutes" perform so badly must have caused him enormous frustration, after all, he must have thought: my god, if I had been there this would never have happened... I think it's a normal thought for anyone who is really good at what they do, when they watch someone inferior do it... A feeling of frustration that ends up turning into anger.
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FIFA World Cup Asian Qualifier Third Round : Saudi Arabia vs Indonesia

My national team Indonesia will face difficult opponent team the opening third round qualifier match against Saudi Arabia, they have been regulars at the World Cup in the last two consecutive editions, becoming Asian representatives who played in the World Cup in both the 2018 edition and also the 2022 edition in Qatar.
Indonesia team have bad capital for the first third round match after two defender Jordi Amat and Justin Hubner have absent due injury and yellow card accumulation, but we have top defender who played for Venezia Jay Idzes playing full 90 minutes last match in Serie A against Torino.

Actually I am not optimistic with Saudi Arabia as top opponent team in Asia and get regular participants every World Cup edition but looking Indonesian performance get increasing since second round its not difficult being draw Saudi Arabia and secure first away points before facing Australia on second third round match on our home.
 
Give your prediction will Indonesia team get first three points, being draw or defeat by Saudi Arabia.
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Didn't Ronaldinho backtrack on his comments though[1]? He basically said what he said about those players are a bait to get people talk about it seriously. Not sure what to take from his comment. Even if we say the team is one of the worst team ever, surely the fault lies in the player selection/manager instead of the players? Because if that's not valid, how can we say the country is full of great players. Personally, I feel like a team with terrible tactic is a better term to describe Brazil, if there's no change at all in the future. CMIIW.

[1] https://sports.yahoo.com/barcelona-legend-ronaldinho-backtracks-brazil-083000967.html
I think Ronaldinho comments should be used as a material for introspection, I believe it is a fact, regardless of the background that prompted the Barcelona legend to say it. Ronaldinho clarification of his comments also indicates that the Brazilian National Team is indeed in chaos, I think all the chaos comes from the Brazilian Football Federation (CBF). We know that the Brazilian National Team is a favorite in every competition, their fan base is quite large, of course their support is also very large. Brazil's failure to reach the final in the Copa America is at least the latest evidence, for Ronaldinho comments.

In addition, the depth of the squad that Brazil has is every manager dream, almost every line is filled with star players, by appointing a quality and experienced manager will certainly increase their chances in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Dorival Junior is still the current manager of the Brazilian National Team. On the other hand, the continuation of the World Cup qualifying round in the CONMEBOL zone can be used as a reference to assess Brazil strength, they will face Colombia who were the finalists of the Copa America yesterday.
Ronaldinho's spot on. Brazil's been sleepwalking. You look at that golden era, Ronaldo, Kaka, Ronaldinho himself... those guys were magic. Now? It's like watching paint dry. Dorival Junior's a decent manager, but he's a band-aid, not a cure. He's good at quick fixes, not long-term vision. That's what Brazil needs: someone to build a dynasty, not just win a few games

Look at the talent on that squad. It's insane. But talent alone doesn't win World Cups. You need a system, a philosophy, a leader who can make those guys play like a team, not a collection of superstars. Other countries have figured it out. Look at Spain a few years back, or Germany. They built systems, not just teams. Brazil needs to do the same. It's not about finding the next Neymar, it's about creating the next great Brazilian team. That takes time, patience, and a manager with a vision. Right now, they're missing all three
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Brazil still has some of the best young players in the world. The country has the potential to discover unknown talents that become superstars within a short period. Even now, Vinicius is not the only quality player; there are Rodrygo and  Endrick, who are doing well in their respective clubs. The national team has had some difficulties in recent times, which have led to the dominance of the Argentina national team. They might not have all the superstars playing in Europe, but I bet there are many unknown stars in the Brazilian local league.

Brazil will always be one of the best teams in the world. That's just how it is.

They are the only team to have qualified to every single world cup, and they have won it the most times.

They always end up at the top or very close to it in every qualification.

The world cup is of course difficult, and specially in the second round you only need to have one bad game and you're out, so it's a difficult thing, but Brazil will always be fighting for the world cup.

that's what I've always thought too, it's incredible how Brazil manages to churn out talents one after the other without stopping, football is in their veins and we can only agree with your words, they are always there and in my opinion with a good coach they will also be able to win it, both through history and determination they came very close and I think they will succeed soon!
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Brazil still has some of the best young players in the world. The country has the potential to discover unknown talents that become superstars within a short period. Even now, Vinicius is not the only quality player; there are Rodrygo and  Endrick, who are doing well in their respective clubs. The national team has had some difficulties in recent times, which have led to the dominance of the Argentina national team. They might not have all the superstars playing in Europe, but I bet there are many unknown stars in the Brazilian local league.

Brazil will always be one of the best teams in the world. That's just how it is.

They are the only team to have qualified to every single world cup, and they have won it the most times.

They always end up at the top or very close to it in every qualification.

The world cup is of course difficult, and specially in the second round you only need to have one bad game and you're out, so it's a difficult thing, but Brazil will always be fighting for the world cup.
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Brazil is getting empty of superstar players while they have players like Rivaldo and Donland before and now the only chance they have is Vini Jr while even though he is not enough to help everything in this team.
The recent performances we saw from Brazil were not good at all to say they can have good performance in the 2025 World Cup and it seems we can even expect to see one of the worst performances we ever saw from Brazil.
Brazil still has some of the best young players in the world. The country has the potential to discover unknown talents that become superstars within a short period. Even now, Vinicius is not the only quality player; there are Rodrygo and  Endrick, who are doing well in their respective clubs. The national team has had some difficulties in recent times, which have led to the dominance of the Argentina national team. They might not have all the superstars playing in Europe, but I bet there are many unknown stars in the Brazilian local league.
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Brazil is getting empty of superstar players while they have players like Rivaldo and Donland before and now the only chance they have is Vini Jr while even though he is not enough to help everything in this team.
The recent performances we saw from Brazil were not good at all to say they can have good performance in the 2025 World Cup and it seems we can even expect to see one of the worst performances we ever saw from Brazil.
Yes, Brazil is starting to lose one by one its star players, but they also include several names of young players with quite good potential, now almost 80% of Brazilian players are young players who have successfully developed well and have quite brilliant careers.
Brazil development may not be seen so quickly and for the 2026 World Cup later I not sure Brazil will be able to show big surprise with all the young players they have, but I believe they will be able to slowly improve the quality of their performance and become stronger team over time.
Brazil performance can really reach top performance, possibly in the 2030 or 2034 World Cup if they can really be on the right track like in the past when Brazil was one of the strongest team for each edition of the World Cup.
In this qualifying round match, maybe we can still see Brazil performing very well, and hopefully they can qualify as we hope and provide competitive competition for the real competition.
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Brazil this time will have 2 matches for world cup qualification stages and they will fight against Ecuador at home and playing against Paraguay for away match and just like we all know that Brazil is not in the good shape because after failed in Copa America their position on league table of qualification stages also not really good because Brazil only can earn 7 points from 6 matches so the fans hopes Brazil can gets full points from Ecuador and Paraguay

Recently Brazil has been release the players who will playing against Ecuador and Paraguay and i found interesting name Estêvão and he is the rising star of Palmeiras and still 17 years old but his performance with Palmeiras is very impressive because he can scores 8 goals from 21 matches and looking forward to see whether he will make his debut match or not later and here is the list of Brazilian players below



Brazil is getting empty of superstar players while they have players like Rivaldo and Donland before and now the only chance they have is Vini Jr while even though he is not enough to help everything in this team.
The recent performances we saw from Brazil were not good at all to say they can have good performance in the 2025 World Cup and it seems we can even expect to see one of the worst performances we ever saw from Brazil.
 
It is obvious that Brazil Era is fading away in football and that is why we are not seeing more of their young stars that are capable of winning the world cup for  Brazil. They don't have great players like before and it seems that Brazil is not taking football that serious like those days when they were the best in football.

On the other hand, maybe so many countries interest for football is now very high and many players are coming from those countries and outshines Brazil players, making them to lose interest and passion of maintaining their football standards.
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I dont know what to think about this Brazilian team, they have very good players, but i still think they keep missing the internal fire and the magic of others brazilians generations, i dont know but Vinicius doesnt have that "aura" or soul and the whole team lack of that faith.

Plus the management is being very poor for a top national team like Brazil. They dont find the north since a few years, and for worst Argentina is in his peak.

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I think he was quite sincere when he said it was the worst team ever. I've been following the Brazilian team since 1996, and I've watched several generations of players and several different Brazilian teams. And I say that this current Brazilian team is truly the worst of all time. It manages to surpass the horrible teams from the time of coach Emerson Leao and Mano Menezes... It's sad to see a country full of potential in football and that produces some of the best players in the world have such a mediocre team.
Well many have said such a thing, it's strange, for me Brazil has very good players, of course the only one who still has the "joga bonito" is Neymar Jr and I don't know if things can be done better, but for me the question here of the Brazil problem is a coach who can Integrate all the skills of the players and do magic with them, it's incredible, for me the most important thing is that a team has good players, and they're not bad, they're very good, so I think that things should go in the right direction and only a good coach can achieve that, for me that's the solution for Brazil.
Brazil do have some good players on their squad there is absolutely no doubt about that. From goalkeeper to striker, every position is great and even without Neymar they are fine, so I agree that it must be the manager that's the problem.

However, since Tite left, they have trying to find someone and they constantly keep getting nobody they like. They tried their chance with Menezes, failed there in very games, then got Diniz, sacked him after just few, and now they have Dorival.

None of these managers are big names neither, I feel like if they could get someone big, they could do a lot better. They did send an offer to Ancelotti, before Ancelotti renewed his contract of course, and because he had a connection with Vini too, so they tried their chance, but Ancelotti decided to renew his contract with Real Madrid of course. The moment they hire someone who is a world famous coach, they will be fine. Hell even USA is hiring Pochettino, so Brazil should get someone better too.
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Brazil this time will have 2 matches for world cup qualification stages and they will fight against Ecuador at home and playing against Paraguay for away match and just like we all know that Brazil is not in the good shape because after failed in Copa America their position on league table of qualification stages also not really good because Brazil only can earn 7 points from 6 matches so the fans hopes Brazil can gets full points from Ecuador and Paraguay

Recently Brazil has been release the players who will playing against Ecuador and Paraguay and i found interesting name Estêvão and he is the rising star of Palmeiras and still 17 years old but his performance with Palmeiras is very impressive because he can scores 8 goals from 21 matches and looking forward to see whether he will make his debut match or not later and here is the list of Brazilian players below



Brazil is getting empty of superstar players while they have players like Rivaldo and Donland before and now the only chance they have is Vini Jr while even though he is not enough to help everything in this team.
The recent performances we saw from Brazil were not good at all to say they can have good performance in the 2025 World Cup and it seems we can even expect to see one of the worst performances we ever saw from Brazil.
 
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Didn't Ronaldinho backtrack on his comments though[1]? He basically said what he said about those players are a bait to get people talk about it seriously. Not sure what to take from his comment. Even if we say the team is one of the worst team ever, surely the fault lies in the player selection/manager instead of the players? Because if that's not valid, how can we say the country is full of great players. Personally, I feel like a team with terrible tactic is a better term to describe Brazil, if there's no change at all in the future. CMIIW.

[1] https://sports.yahoo.com/barcelona-legend-ronaldinho-backtracks-brazil-083000967.html
I think Ronaldinho comments should be used as a material for introspection, I believe it is a fact, regardless of the background that prompted the Barcelona legend to say it. Ronaldinho clarification of his comments also indicates that the Brazilian National Team is indeed in chaos, I think all the chaos comes from the Brazilian Football Federation (CBF). We know that the Brazilian National Team is a favorite in every competition, their fan base is quite large, of course their support is also very large. Brazil's failure to reach the final in the Copa America is at least the latest evidence, for Ronaldinho comments.

In addition, the depth of the squad that Brazil has is every manager dream, almost every line is filled with star players, by appointing a quality and experienced manager will certainly increase their chances in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Dorival Junior is still the current manager of the Brazilian National Team. On the other hand, the continuation of the World Cup qualifying round in the CONMEBOL zone can be used as a reference to assess Brazil strength, they will face Colombia who were the finalists of the Copa America yesterday.

We have two options regarding Ronaldinho's speech: one is that he wanted to attract the spotlight and appear in the media, and the other is that he was being sincere. I believe more in the latter option. I understand him, after all, he played in a great Brazilian team with Ronaldo Nazario, Kaka, Adriano, Roberto Carlos, Dida and so many other legendary players... And watching this current team is almost torture. Dorival Junior, as a club coach, has always been a short-term coach, like saving the club from relegation or fixing squads with relationship problems. I don't believe he has the ability to take a team to the top of the world.
On 15th June 2024, Brazil and Barcelona legend Ronaldinho's speech about the Brazil team I don't think he allowed himself to be exposed to the media or spotlighted. Basically he gave that speech out of the anger that was building up inside him. Ahead of the 2022 FIFA World Cup, Brazil lost to their arch-rivals Argentina in the final match of the Copa America, and since then their team's poor performances have started. As a result of which they did not show any brilliant performance in the Qatar FIFA World Cup as well due to which they were knocked out in the quarter finals despite being a five-time World Cup winning team in that World Cup as well. We have seen them perform poorly in this year's Copa America as well. Maybe the legendary players are angry because of the reckless performances of the young Brazilian players.
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Didn't Ronaldinho backtrack on his comments though[1]? He basically said what he said about those players are a bait to get people talk about it seriously. Not sure what to take from his comment. Even if we say the team is one of the worst team ever, surely the fault lies in the player selection/manager instead of the players? Because if that's not valid, how can we say the country is full of great players. Personally, I feel like a team with terrible tactic is a better term to describe Brazil, if there's no change at all in the future. CMIIW.

[1] https://sports.yahoo.com/barcelona-legend-ronaldinho-backtracks-brazil-083000967.html
I think Ronaldinho comments should be used as a material for introspection, I believe it is a fact, regardless of the background that prompted the Barcelona legend to say it. Ronaldinho clarification of his comments also indicates that the Brazilian National Team is indeed in chaos, I think all the chaos comes from the Brazilian Football Federation (CBF). We know that the Brazilian National Team is a favorite in every competition, their fan base is quite large, of course their support is also very large. Brazil's failure to reach the final in the Copa America is at least the latest evidence, for Ronaldinho comments.

In addition, the depth of the squad that Brazil has is every manager dream, almost every line is filled with star players, by appointing a quality and experienced manager will certainly increase their chances in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Dorival Junior is still the current manager of the Brazilian National Team. On the other hand, the continuation of the World Cup qualifying round in the CONMEBOL zone can be used as a reference to assess Brazil strength, they will face Colombia who were the finalists of the Copa America yesterday.

We have two options regarding Ronaldinho's speech: one is that he wanted to attract the spotlight and appear in the media, and the other is that he was being sincere. I believe more in the latter option. I understand him, after all, he played in a great Brazilian team with Ronaldo Nazario, Kaka, Adriano, Roberto Carlos, Dida and so many other legendary players... And watching this current team is almost torture. Dorival Junior, as a club coach, has always been a short-term coach, like saving the club from relegation or fixing squads with relationship problems. I don't believe he has the ability to take a team to the top of the world.

brazil has plenty of champions who can decide the matches if only they are all well organized and educated on what they have to do it will be a walk in the park for brazil to win some international trophies (if argentina managed it) everyone can do it so just enough Thinking about Real Madrid's phenomena to understand what they can do with those players, it's just a question of time
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Didn't Ronaldinho backtrack on his comments though[1]? He basically said what he said about those players are a bait to get people talk about it seriously. Not sure what to take from his comment. Even if we say the team is one of the worst team ever, surely the fault lies in the player selection/manager instead of the players? Because if that's not valid, how can we say the country is full of great players. Personally, I feel like a team with terrible tactic is a better term to describe Brazil, if there's no change at all in the future. CMIIW.

[1] https://sports.yahoo.com/barcelona-legend-ronaldinho-backtracks-brazil-083000967.html
I think Ronaldinho comments should be used as a material for introspection, I believe it is a fact, regardless of the background that prompted the Barcelona legend to say it. Ronaldinho clarification of his comments also indicates that the Brazilian National Team is indeed in chaos, I think all the chaos comes from the Brazilian Football Federation (CBF). We know that the Brazilian National Team is a favorite in every competition, their fan base is quite large, of course their support is also very large. Brazil's failure to reach the final in the Copa America is at least the latest evidence, for Ronaldinho comments.

In addition, the depth of the squad that Brazil has is every manager dream, almost every line is filled with star players, by appointing a quality and experienced manager will certainly increase their chances in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Dorival Junior is still the current manager of the Brazilian National Team. On the other hand, the continuation of the World Cup qualifying round in the CONMEBOL zone can be used as a reference to assess Brazil strength, they will face Colombia who were the finalists of the Copa America yesterday.

We have two options regarding Ronaldinho's speech: one is that he wanted to attract the spotlight and appear in the media, and the other is that he was being sincere. I believe more in the latter option. I understand him, after all, he played in a great Brazilian team with Ronaldo Nazario, Kaka, Adriano, Roberto Carlos, Dida and so many other legendary players... And watching this current team is almost torture. Dorival Junior, as a club coach, has always been a short-term coach, like saving the club from relegation or fixing squads with relationship problems. I don't believe he has the ability to take a team to the top of the world.
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Didn't Ronaldinho backtrack on his comments though[1]? He basically said what he said about those players are a bait to get people talk about it seriously. Not sure what to take from his comment. Even if we say the team is one of the worst team ever, surely the fault lies in the player selection/manager instead of the players? Because if that's not valid, how can we say the country is full of great players. Personally, I feel like a team with terrible tactic is a better term to describe Brazil, if there's no change at all in the future. CMIIW.

[1] https://sports.yahoo.com/barcelona-legend-ronaldinho-backtracks-brazil-083000967.html
I think Ronaldinho comments should be used as a material for introspection, I believe it is a fact, regardless of the background that prompted the Barcelona legend to say it. Ronaldinho clarification of his comments also indicates that the Brazilian National Team is indeed in chaos, I think all the chaos comes from the Brazilian Football Federation (CBF). We know that the Brazilian National Team is a favorite in every competition, their fan base is quite large, of course their support is also very large. Brazil's failure to reach the final in the Copa America is at least the latest evidence, for Ronaldinho comments.

In addition, the depth of the squad that Brazil has is every manager dream, almost every line is filled with star players, by appointing a quality and experienced manager will certainly increase their chances in the future. If I'm not mistaken, Dorival Junior is still the current manager of the Brazilian National Team. On the other hand, the continuation of the World Cup qualifying round in the CONMEBOL zone can be used as a reference to assess Brazil strength, they will face Colombia who were the finalists of the Copa America yesterday.
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I'm not still sure about it but think there are three teams that will get to the World Cup and these teams as you said but a better chance however the only thing they have in Saudi Arabia is money and they still don't have strong teams like Australia and Japan while I think Japand and Australia are both in the better situation to get themselves other first two places of the table. Australia and Japan are two teams that were usually in the World Cup from Asia.
No doubt in current situation we are having Saudi Arab as one of the weakest side in top rankings because Japan, Iran, Korea and Australia are having much better teams, and they can take good advantage of their quality and consistency, but things are also going good in Saudi Arab as they are doing their best on domestic level.

We are having the biggest issue with conditions and domestic level is needed good overhaul which is not easy but still as they are investing and having their long run vision we can expect they will be brought their best in coming years and things will be completely change.

Now we have 2 years in world cup and most chances we will be having these teams into this event with Qatar and Saudi Arab are coming being these teams, and they are having challenging matches due to improved structure in few big countries which is important for the development of the game.
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Despite its bad phase, brazil has won 5 World Cups, but if its football doesn't improve or evolve in line with European football, it could be overtaken by Germany or Italy, which are the only nations behind brazil in terms of number of World Cups won.
Does Brazil rely on its national league to produce their best players? I though most of them are playing overseas. I don't remember where but I read that country like Brazil or African countries in general improve their national team quality by making it easy for them to play overseas, hence why they don't focus on national league etc. I think this strategy works to some extent, hence why some countries also focuses on nationalizing players or sending their players abroad. That being said, it doesn't matter if their national infrastructure is still terrible. CMIIW.
Footballers play a major role in Brazil's economy. At the moment, the Brazilian team is considered the most expensive team in the world. And while Brazilian players perform well for different clubs, when they are put together when they play for a team, I don't know why we don't see good performances from them. It is very likely that when a team has multiple players in the same position, it becomes difficult for the manager to select the team and this results in poor team performance. You say they should play European tactics, where their team's starting eleven players as well as all other players play in Europe, what new tactics do they have to teach them. Brazil players definitely need an experienced manager otherwise we will not see good performance from Brazil team.

The biggest problem with the Brazilian national team is the Brazilian coaches, who are completely unqualified. Although the CBF tried to hire Carlo Anceloti, no elite coach in world football would ever accept to coach the Brazilian national team, because the highest authority in Brazilian football is completely corrupt. I don't think a good foreign coach would accept to work in a place like the CBF.
Brazil may have quality players but we have not seen in Brazil till now the quality manager to control those quality players. I still vividly remember Neymar's goal in extra time against Croatia in the 2022 World Cup quarter-final match that almost sealed the team's victory but the former Brazil manager at the time did not alert any player to come down which resulted in their penalty shoot-out loss to Croatia. Due to some such wrong decisions, several Brazilian media said that there is no need to keep such a manager in the team with so much money, as a result of which the manager is forced to step down from his position. Carlo Ancelotti was rumored for some time to take charge of Brazil but ultimately the deal was not completed and it remains to be seen whether Brazil can appoint a qualified manager for their team ahead of the 2026 World Cup.
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Didn't Ronaldinho backtrack on his comments though[1]? He basically said what he said about those players are a bait to get people talk about it seriously. Not sure what to take from his comment. Even if we say the team is one of the worst team ever, surely the fault lies in the player selection/manager instead of the players? Because if that's not valid, how can we say the country is full of great players. Personally, I feel like a team with terrible tactic is a better term to describe Brazil, if there's no change at all in the future. CMIIW.

[1] https://sports.yahoo.com/barcelona-legend-ronaldinho-backtracks-brazil-083000967.html
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