Topic: Flat Earth - page 198. (Read 1095196 times)

I would like to argue facts if you had any. So who was it that said something about boats sailing over the curve?


Another scammer yapping about facts... how about some of those container facts? Do you need more time to figure it out?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46929724

You poor, little fella. You can't prove flat Earth. And when I and others reveal your flaws, you are hurt. Why don't you simply step up to reality? It would be so easy. You can still keep your Bible religion. Come on, man. Even funny farms don't deny you your right to believe the religion you want. Why make your religion to be something as silly as flat Earth?

You DO have this in your favor, though. Your fictitious FE religion isn't as bad or as embedded as the evolution religion.

Go fucking choke to death on a bottle of Everclear, I already exposed you bullshit with the narrow band mirage at the horizon a few pages ago yet you just change gears to perspective and keep going with boats over the curve.

Astargath

If your going to use Big G in your formula you must tell us how it was derived.  Check out the Cavendish experiment.  You're going from balls in a 18th century shed (which cannot be repeated) and you're taking that and telling me you know the gravity on Mars and you state it as fact.  This is not science.  

All you're doing is repeating what they told you (they have also told nobatman and myself as well).  You have zero first hand knowledge.  Remember we have read and been taught what you're REPEATING to us.  We want you to PROVE the claims you're making to us.  You must prove the claim not repeat what the science book told you and then pat yourself on the back.  That's not how science works.  

Please study how Big G was derived in your formula if you do not already know.  Then if you still believe in this and want to prove it you must repeat the Cavendish experiment for us to see so we can measure the gravitational constant.  Once we have a clear measurement that can be repeated and measured then you may be onto something.

You have a BELIEF that you were born into.  I was born into the same thing.  Now I want proof.  I hope you see the claims you are making cannot be proven.  You have to believe in them like Santa Clause.  Nobatman and I know this.  That's why we are able to sit here for page after page shooting you down which causes you to move onto the next batch of bullshit WE were taught.  

If you stop talking in FACTS and start admitting these are BELIEFS no one will have issue.

It's a shame that FE people are duped into accepting science that is incomplete. However, everybody has a religion of some sort.

^^^ spammed with shill comments just like here, I guess you couldn't handle the facts presented in either the video or the linked paper.

You even omitted the link to the paper, yet included the entirety of the rest of the comments. Why would you remove the thoroughly researched and documented paper with references? You redacted the most relevant section of the quote.

Oh wait, no don't answer. I figured it out, BECAUSE YOU'RE A SHILL!

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Is it just (((coincidence))) that both Vod and Astargath are both playing the omit a section of the quote game? This fucking guy has the hubris to cry science then removes the scientific paper and points to fucking youtube comments left by shills.

If Earth is a globe why are all these people gaslighting so hard instead of arguing facts?

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You should fuck off with your gaslighting bullshit if you can't argue facts. Accusing me lying because I didn't quote verbatim something said 100 different ways by a 100 different scientists? I got that quote after the fact from Google with 10 seconds of searching, 3rd fucking link down. Go fucking kill yourself!

Do you ever read the comments on the videos you post here?

G was derived from watching heavy balls in a 18th century shed through a small hole drilled in the wall. ((They)) literally measure Mars and the Moon's weight (and gravity) with heavy balls in a shed.

That's right folks, heavy balls in the shed proves there are heavy balls in the sky. *facepalm*



Why the Cavendish Experiment Is Ridiculous -- https://youtu.be/pJ-7kbaHUgM

Here's a rigorous debunking of the experiment.  -- http://milesmathis.com/caven.html

Can you prove that these are the actual causes?

Yes, again, look at planets, we can measure their gravity.


This formula uses the mass of the planet or object to calculate ''gravity''.

We know gravity on Mars is around 3.7m/s2

We know gravity on the Moon is around 1.6 m/s2

We went there and... guess what, it was true, gravity was 1.6m/s2

If this is not enough proof then I don't know what you need, really.

Are you saying there is no air pressure in a flat earth?  Of course there is - you have to breath.

Air pressure causes movement of air .  Movement of air causes waves.

The water surface is never level on any model. 

Ah the only take part of the quote act.  Not sure you fooling anyone.  Full quote below.  

"If you sail from North America to Europe on a spherical object how can you not be sailing up the water at some point?  The water surface is never level on your model.  Your either sailing up or down (the entire time).   Please explain."

Still waiting on the answer as well.

You been able to prove anything with math yet?  Or talk to any more probes billions of miles away.  Did you use math to do it?  Come with something better next time.

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Nice try on deleting your post once you got exposed. 

Flat earth is like a snake with its head chopped off. The body can wiggle for hours... as shown by the length of this thread.

This is just another example off how FE people use big distances and all kinds of corny wording to try to twist the minds of people all out of shape. Down-scaling an experiment like this for a living room of an average house will show that FE is wonderful science fiction.

Again, the two easy things that show that the earth is a globe are the horizon:
1. Place the lens at, say, two inches off the ground. Square it to the horizon-tal, with a plumb line or transit. Then measure how near the horizon is. You will find it is so near that you can be the one who walks (yes, you can do it on land) or boats over the horizon while your friend snaps the photo.
2. The reason why engineers in construction don't have to measure for curvature of the earth is, we don't have any structures that are large enough to need this kind of accuracy... because of the gigantic size of the globe. The global curve produces a drop of about 8 inches in the first mile. That's well under 1/2 inch per first football length.

Such things as bridges automatically fit inside this amount, because bridges move way more than this. Even the tall buildings sway as much as 6 feet or more.

The Great Pyramid is off by about 5.5 inches, and is about 2.5 football fields long. And while this is not a drop in elevation, the deviation is almost 4.5 times as much as the curvature of the earth. Uet such a small amount is unimportant to builders and engineers.

All these FE people who talk about horizon or curvature drop as though it proves FE, are simply focusing on things that average people don't often think about. As you can see above, all their talk is meaningless or false.

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I'm glad you asked, it's the ridged container gravity creates.

You can prove the ridged nature of gravity yourself just by looking at a hot air balloon. You see the Earth is spinning and the balloon gets pulled along by Earth's atmosphere so, while the balloon is floating in one spot and you're traveling a 1000 miles per hour (at the equator) below it, the balloon remains stationary above you. It's the ridged immovable connection gravity creates between the air molecules surrounding the balloon and the molecules in the ground & water that causes the air to pull on the balloon.

The fact the balloon doesn't move away from you at high speed is proof of this ridged immovable connection. As this example shows the ridged walls of a container are actually the perfect analogy for how the force of gravity pulls on objects.

Perhaps an even better example of the ridged structure gravity creates is, the solid barrier it forms between the pressurized gasses in the atmosphere and the vacuum of space. Without this barrier all the gasses would escape into the vacuum and that proves that gravity is not only real but, it showcases how it works just like a container.

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It seems the poor boy is a tad bid confused and it's probably my fault for using a poor choice of words. By dome I'm referring to the mound, bulge or hump formed by the convex section of water that conforms to the globe between the two points of an observer standing on the water, and a ship.

On the globe up is relative to gravity. When you look out over the globe everything around you in a 360 degree circle is down hill and the ship is actually traveling down but, since up is relative the ship moves up relative to the point on the curve that forms the horizon. After the horizon ship continues its voyage down hill until it is hidden by the horizon curve.

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Hey astargath I'm not going to keep adding all our old text its blowing the page up and making it hard to read.

Ok you called it "gravity" and I agree gravity is just a name but what causes the phenomenon of gravity to act on us and objects on earth?  What exactly is the reason that water is pasted to the exterior of the sphere?  What are the mechanisms that cause it?  Can you prove that these are the actual causes?  

You keep using the word "believe".  It is irrelevant what I believe in.  This is science.  We need to prove it to each other or it's just shit talking.  In science we need to prove it.  This may be the entire crux of the issue if your arguing honestly.  

If this is all a belief to you then I have zero issues with that.  Same as religion.  

If you are saying it is a fact then we need a practical demonstration.  If you cannot practically demonstrate it, is it science?  

Final line of questions how do you know space exists as it's been taught?  How do you know we are hurling through the universe at millions of miles per hour?  How do you know it was gravity and not some other force causing it?  How can one prove as factual these things.  I have yet to find solid proof.

Hence my position.  I only know what I know.  Everything else is a belief and I teach science from both sides since I have yet to see proof of the flat earth map which is presented or the heliocentric model.    

Do I believe in space?  I used to.  Now I simply don't know if being honest.  How would I unless I simply believed what was being presented.  

Because it's the name we gave it, we could have called it joenity but we called it gravity. I assume what you are asking is, how do we know big masses actually attract other smaller objects. Gravity can be measured and it's predictive. For instance, escape velocity. We know the exact amount of speed needed for a free object to escape from the gravitational influence of a massive body. This works here and everywhere, we can calculate orbits of planets because we can measure gravity. Then again, you don't believe in outer space, do you?

How do you know it's gravity which causes these phenomenon?  Your showing me all the stuff we learned through the education system.  Can you prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt it's gravity causing these things and not some other force?

Can you demonstrate gravity in a way which we can all see.  I know you can repeat what you have been told but lets see it in action in an experiment we can all do.  Show me gravity holding water to a ball.  Show me gravity causing water to take shape to the exterior of a surface.  Show me that is gravity and no other force causing the water to find it's level. 

''Science made the claim we are on a sphere 500 years ago'' False, people knew and the earth was not flat more than 2000 years ago. They didn't make a claim, they already proved it and that's why everyone accepted it. We have photos/videos and even livestreams to show it.

None of those claims debunk gravity or support a flat earth.

''Bodies of water find level (testable, provable repeatable)'' So? Gravity works?

''Bodies of water must be contained or they will flow (testable, provable repeatable)'' So, you mean, gravity works and it pulls the water into the ground?

''Bodies of water do not take the exterior form of a shape  (testable, provable repeatable)'' So.... gravity works?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQt2iLKqBbI

https://www.n2yo.com/space-station/

So if the container has an opening of any kind then water would flow out through that opening? Is that what you're trying to say?