Outright rejection of flat earth model or flat earth fact without proofs is not science. Real science is about being open to the possibility of a flat earth being true. Both sides should be openly "debating" the two models with transparent experimentation and not censoring it or considering the other side as heretic.
No need for complicated maths and big words in the public debate. Both sides should use simple and understandable proofs for the sake of the public.
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^^^ There is no outer space it's a hoax, there's a dome (firmament) covering the earth. The shore of Antarctica (the edge) is a wall of ice and yes you can fall back into the ocean.
The entire heliocentric Copernican model goes in the trash, we are not a disc in space. The sun, moon and stars are small close objects inside the dome and are made of electrical plasma, they circle above the earth.
The entire heliocentric Copernican model goes in the trash, we are not a disc in space. The sun, moon and stars are small close objects inside the dome and are made of electrical plasma, they circle above the earth.
i see you ignore answering the question..
where the camera man is swimming or in a boat. if the edge of the planet is the ice ledge. then what is holding up the water.. shouldnt he be floating in space
here is another on for you
earths shadow on the moon is spherical not a knife edge
have a nice day
where the camera man is swimming or in a boat. if the edge of the planet is the ice ledge. then what is holding up the water.. shouldnt he be floating in space
here is another on for you
earths shadow on the moon is spherical not a knife edge
have a nice day
^^^ Your attempt to debunk that encyclopedia entry with .gov propaganda and tar me as a fool is a bad joke, let me explain:
The encyclopedia article says the dome is 13,000 feet high "at about latitude 80°S., longitude 90°E.", and you claim I'm a fool because there's a mountain at "80°22′ S 77°22′ E" with dome in its name.
"this lack of knowledge and skill in math".
The encyclopedia article says the dome is 13,000 feet high "at about latitude 80°S., longitude 90°E.", and you claim I'm a fool because there's a mountain at "80°22′ S 77°22′ E" with dome in its name.
"this lack of knowledge and skill in math".
Source: Encyclopedia Americana (1958)
You should be more careful. That "dome" is not what you think it is:
Dome Argus
Location: 80°22′ S 77°22′ E.
With a surface elevation of 4093 metres, Dome Argus is the highest place in East Antarctica ...
Location: 80°22′ S 77°22′ E.
With a surface elevation of 4093 metres, Dome Argus is the highest place in East Antarctica ...
It seems to me that many flat-earthers often quote information that they don't understand. It is apparent that most simply don't have the knowledge and skill in math and science to understand and evaluate what they are reading, so they tend to point to evidence that is invalid and sometimes even irrelevant (such as in this case).
A good example of this lack of knowledge and skill in math and science is the misuse of refraction and perspective to explain the setting sun. Refraction and perspective are both well-understood and have a solid mathematical foundations. Someone that understands the math and science of refraction and perspective would have to conclude that they cannot be used to explain the setting sun.
While I don't believe the earth is flat, I would certainly entertain the notion if only there were a rigorous mathematical and scientific foundation supporting the theory. It is disappointing that flat-earthers cannot provide this.
@nebtheweb no you're an idiot, let me explain. The distance to the horizon test doesn't involve the sun.
In regards to the optical gyroscope, it's not actually a gyroscope but an acutely sensitive electromagnetic interferometer based on the Sagnac effect and it detects the electromagnetic signature from the stars rotating above. The stars are close small bits of electric plasma that are in motion.
Fuck off with your whataboutery.
1. why is there water
2. what is the camraman standing on
3. if your cameraman turned around and went in opposite direction away from the edge. then where would the cameraman go
notbatmans edge camera man
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Beyond that is death from hypothermia for your ascii camera man.
Hey, can I ask you a question? Why did you omit the answer to your question in your reply?
The actual camera man is on a ship looking at the ice wall shore.
bonus:
Source: Encyclopedia Americana (1958)
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Not so bonus.
In regards to the optical gyroscope, it's not actually a gyroscope but an acutely sensitive electromagnetic interferometer based on the Sagnac effect and it detects the electromagnetic signature from the stars rotating above. The stars are close small bits of electric plasma that are in motion.
Fuck off with your whataboutery.
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...1. why is there water
2. what is the camraman standing on
3. if your cameraman turned around and went in opposite direction away from the edge. then where would the cameraman go
notbatmans edge camera man
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Beyond that is death from hypothermia for your ascii camera man.
Hey, can I ask you a question? Why did you omit the answer to your question in your reply?
"...The earth is like a circular lake with islands in the middle, Antarctica is a wall of ice that forms the shore. Above the wall there's a plateau for some distance and then a ring of the highest mountains in the world, beyond that is the firmament of heaven..."
The actual camera man is on a ship looking at the ice wall shore.
...incoherent statements about oranges and gyroscopes...
bonus:
Source: Encyclopedia Americana (1958)
edit:
Not so bonus.
^^^ I'll admit it's possible I'm wrong about the encyclopedia entry, like you say it is a mainstream publication however, [80°22′S 77°22′E] is located 150 miles away from [80°S 90°E] so you're an idiot for claiming the entry refers to Dome Argus.
@odolvlobo, you're correct about the encyclopedia entry. The highlighted sentence is describing the features of the land. As you point out nearby mountains are referred to as "domes" due, most likely to their featureless nature.
as to the gyroscope test. a gyroscope test movement of people and objects above ground vs earth. it does not test movement of earth vs space
your like an ant waling on an orange thinking your endlessly walking in a straight line because you cant grasp the big picture or see beyond whats infront of you
here is a tip. at night look at the stars and then look at the stars 2 hours later.
you will notice there is planetary movement
next keep repeating 12 more times to get full 24 hours later and you will notice it has come full CIRCLE
your like an ant waling on an orange thinking your endlessly walking in a straight line because you cant grasp the big picture or see beyond whats infront of you
here is a tip. at night look at the stars and then look at the stars 2 hours later.
you will notice there is planetary movement
next keep repeating 12 more times to get full 24 hours later and you will notice it has come full CIRCLE
Here's the edge:
Don't fall off, that water is ice cold and you wont survive long!
if that was the edge then
1. why is there water
2. what is the camraman standing on
3. if your cameraman turned around and went in opposite direction away from the edge. then where would the cameraman go
notbatmans edge camera man
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The earth does not move and here's proof, a reproducible experiment. This experiment was documented on video then posted to YouTube. The gyroscope experimentally proves the earth does not rotate at 15 deg/hr, no amount of but "b-b-but whatabout†..." can refute this.
[Ultimate Flat Earth Proof] Stationary Flat Earth – The Gyroscope Doesn't Lie -- https://youtu.be/RF829QNKtT8
The YouTube videos posted by NASA involve propaganda content that can't be reproduced i.e. "fake youtube videos".
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[Ultimate Flat Earth Proof] Stationary Flat Earth – The Gyroscope Doesn't Lie -- https://youtu.be/RF829QNKtT8
The YouTube videos posted by NASA involve propaganda content that can't be reproduced i.e. "fake youtube videos".
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"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. It is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world. As Garry Kasparov noted, it is a word that was coined to describe the frequent use of a rhetorical diversion by Soviet apologists and dictators, who would counter charges of their oppression, "massacres, gulags, and forced deportations" by invoking American slavery, racism, lynchings, etc. It has been adopted by other politicians and countries." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
You're right. It doesn't matter.
Come one, FE, back your ideas by experiments instead of fake youtube videos.  Eric Dubay: Foucault's Pendulum DEBUNKED! EARTH IS FLAT! -- https://youtu.be/ek-H23wtzoI This video doesnt prove anything. I would like a FE, to build a pendulum and show that the pendulum is not tracking the rotation of the earth. It is not hard nor expensive to do. If the experiment can be repeated by globe scientists then everybody will have to admit that the FE were right. Come one, FE, back your ideas by experiments instead of fake youtube videos. Pit and the Pendulum (1961), with Vincent Price, https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055304/.  Eric Dubay: Foucault's Pendulum DEBUNKED! EARTH IS FLAT! -- https://youtu.be/ek-H23wtzoI This video doesnt prove anything. I would like a FE, to build a pendulum and show that the pendulum is not tracking the rotation of the earth. It is not hard nor expensive to do. If the experiment can be repeated by globe scientists then everybody will have to admit that the FE were right. Come one, FE, back your ideas by experiments instead of fake youtube videos. Quote What the fuck does a solar filter have to do with the globe failing a distance to the horizon test you absolutely stunned cunt? Also your video is from a fucking paid shill! The sun is affected by a refractive magnifying effect called looming and the change in observation height or angle of attack causes the sun's apparent size to increase, thus bringing it back within the angular resolution limit of the camera. Ah, a prepubescent insult. However, in order to insult me, I must first value your opinion. The solar filter is to prove the Sun does not change size. It is the same size at sunrise, noon, and sunset. If the earth were flat your close and local Sun would have to shrink to a point of light and would always be visible. It would NEVER set below the horizon. That doesn't happen because it is not close and local. As for my linked video, you just don't like the fact that the video maker whom you call a shill, has proven flat-earth wrong on many many levels with many experiments. Far more than you or dubious Dubay have ever done. But you would rather link to idiots like Dubay, whos idiotic content is nothing more than plagiarized material from his long-dead buddy Samuel Robotham. All Dubey does is read from his book in his idiotic monotonic lifeless voice. He has NEVER been seen doing any kind of experiment to prove any of his idiotic 200 proofs. The other video you linked too is just another anonymous armchair conspiracy crackpot and flat earth nutjob on youtube. The Dubay video you linked to about disproving the Focault Pendulum just proves what an ignorant fool Dubey is. He mistakenly thinks that the amplitude of swing is caused by earths rotation and actually expects cranes to start swinging on their own, when in reality it is the plane of the swing, not the amplitude of the swing, that measures earths rotation depending on which latitude you are at. https://youtu.be/bJMYoj4hHqU?t=1431 But heck, don't take my word for it. Just use a highly accurate and precise gyro, right, ok, another one of your flat earth self-proclaimed engineers got his hands on a ring laser gyro and thought he was going to disprove earths rotation and he did this experiment TWICE. Lets find out what happened. Afterword you can reach far up that capacious hoop of yours for your excuses. Word of advice, I highly suggest that you stop binge-watching all those anonymous armchair conspiracy crackpot and flat earth nutjob youtube videos made by other anonymous armchair conspiracy crackpot and flat earth nutjobs like you. https://youtu.be/J9p2Yrbp3xA ^^^ There's no curvature and I've provided documented evidence to prove it, you just talk a lot of shit. The only thing balloons prove is that earth is not spinning below them. In case you missed it, here's proof of no curvature that you can bank on: ... Flat Earth Proven Again - 11.22 Miles and ZERO Curvature [Wide Awake] -- https://youtu.be/6hqzqmY9ny8 Do you even realize how easy it is to make a Youtube video? Somebody might think that a FE-Youtube video-maker is lying. But they aren't. Why not? They aren't at all serious, just like thousands of other Youtube videos out there. They are simply playing. Look. If you are going to use Youtube, you are simply tearing down your own ideas. All you are saying is that the earth is NOT flat when you use Youtube videos. And, that might be your point. 'Cause later you can come back and say something like, "You believed me because I showed you some Youtube videos? How weak-minded you must be, to believe me because I showed you some Youtube videos." And then you laugh at all the FE believers you have duped into believing FE. But, you are having fun, aren't you. Surely isn't very nice of you to do this to the more simple minded among us. Just think of what a great preacher you could be in the Christian religion. All that time wasted on teaching a false religion. Why do you waste your life like that? 
I laughed! I thought it was the 21st century now...
 Well, let me explain you. You can take a plane from the USA and go either east or west but you'll still eventually get to Asia, for example. Or you can sail the world to figure it out
^^^ There's no curvature and I've provided documented evidence to prove it, you just talk a lot of shit. The only thing balloons prove is that earth is not spinning below them.
In case you missed it, here's proof of no curvature that you can bank on: ... Flat Earth Proven Again - 11.22 Miles and ZERO Curvature [Wide Awake] -- https://youtu.be/6hqzqmY9ny8 ^^^ The P900 can see a few hundred miles at sea level with an infrared conversion and filter, there's simply too much haze beyond that; the atmosphere is a limiting factor. Transits in two balloons that are above atmospheric haze, and directly over two mountains hundreds or thousands of miles apart, will always show a curved Earth between them. ^^^ There's mountains [Olympus] then an electrified dome [firmament] beyond the plateau, that's the most edge you're going to get! "And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters." -- Matthew 8:32, KJV Antarctica - Sorry We're Closed! Our Hidden Flat Earth -- https://youtu.be/NPbhHpeHTiE Eric Dubay: Foucault's Pendulum DEBUNKED! EARTH IS FLAT! -- https://youtu.be/ek-H23wtzoI Do the preach about the flat earth at your church?
^^^ The P900 can see a few hundred miles at sea level with an infrared conversion and filter, there's simply too much haze beyond that; the atmosphere is a limiting factor.
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