Topic: Flat Earth - page 22. (Read 1095196 times)

That was on purpose



You could have provided a photo to explain.
I guess i found my answer (it is a cool GIF)
https://wiki.tfes.org/File:SunAnimation.gif


Almost convincing.

@odolvlobo,

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@guigui371,


Such irrationality.

The sun is a close small object made from electrical plasma and it travels in a circle above us around the north pole. The earth is large enough that the sun only lights up part of the surface at once. The sun also has a yearly bi-annual lateral movement that accounts for the seasons.

Ok, I think I finally figured out what you are saying. You are explaining why the bottom of the sun is flat instead of round, so that it appears to go below the plane when it actually doesn't. Sorry, my globe earth biases obviously get in the way.

Hey Nobatman,
I am curious to know where does the sun go when it is night time? 

Do they just turn if off on the ceiling (of the dome) ?
This is an actual legit question.

On globe earth it is easy to understand, the sun is on the other side of the earth (or the globe earth rotated and another part of it is in direct sight of the sun).

How does it work with a flat-disc earth ?

How do you explain, that some people on earth still have day light when some don't.
If the earth is flat, and the sun an object on the dome, then everybody should see it at the same time.


I obviously don't believe in FE, but I am curious to know how you explain the day/night cycle and the fact that not everybody has the same light pattern.

Cheers

This youtube review says the P1000 is shit, so it's pointless trying to prove the Earth is flat with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHiYizz7Acs



Your camera is shit.

@odolvlobo,


How do you come to such an irrational conclusion?

Lowering your perspective will cause a uniform compression of the sun as it sets, it will vanish sooner because of more complete compression. The vanishing point and thus the horizon has a reduced distance with your ear to the ground.

If you stand up the sun will reappear as the topmost part of the sun is expanded. It returns so it's within the confines of the observers angular resolution limit due, to an increased angle of attack.

While the sun is being compressed and passing the vanishing point at the horizon, looming magnifies its size. Looming as I stated before is caused by suspended water droplets in the atmosphere that create a composite lens.









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Here's some P1000 footage with filmed with a solar filter:
   Mission Bay Sunset: Atmosplanic Compression -- https://youtu.be/JJqNe10tG7I

I'm trying to keep myself at bay here, but I'm finding it very difficult indeed.

Of course trying to rationalize with Batty - is a noble cause - but it leads nowhere.
His mind is made up already & so is his agenda.

So, if I put my eye at ground level the sun doesn't appear to set?


None of that makes sense. You are saying that refraction magnifies the sun so that its size remains constant until it gets a certain distance away, and then suddenly it stops magnifying it vertically (or perhaps the perspective effect suddenly begins to overpower the magnification in the vertical direction).

@odolvlobo,

  That diagram depicts convergence to a point. That point is called the vanishing point and it's the limit of the observers vision, the Angular Resolution Limit. What that diagram doesn't depict is what's going on at the vanishing point, we'd need a zoomed in view to see how the objects are vanishing:

If the observers eye level was zero i.e. their ear touching the ground, objects would be uniformly compressed as they approach the ARL until they vanish (narrow band superior mirages not withstanding). However if the observers eye level is elevated, it increases their angle of attack and objects are no longer uniformly compressed as they vanish, the elevated perspective causes objects to be compressed bottom up.

It should be noted that as the observers angle of attack (eye elevation) increases, the topmost part of objects that have been compressed beyond the ARL become expanded, thus bringing them back into view and increasing the distance to the vanishing point.

This optical compression effect known as foreshortening can be easily demonstrated by checking a pool cue for deformations.

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Fake advertising. Physicians recommend lucky strikes.

This review says your Nikon P1000 super-zoom camera is shit, so it can't prove the Earth is flat.

https://www.cliftoncameras.co.uk/Blog/The-Nikon-P1000-is-the-Best-Bridge-Camera-of-2018---But-its-Not-for-Me


Which one are you, a birder or a weirdo?

Yabut, if those buildings weren't there, and there was a deep valley there instead, and a mountain at the right of the telephone poles, what would the vanishing points on the mountain top and at the valley bottom look like?... assuming you could see a vanished point.

 

Foreshortening is not a "bottom up vertical compression". Foreshortening is the same in all orientations and directions. Look up at tall buildings. Look down a deep hole. Even your own diagrams show horizontal foreshortening.

So wouldn't it be more beneficial that the plane just took off, hover on the same point and wait for the earth to turn around? If it's flat it has to fly so yea there is the answer.

^^^ There are different kinds of refractive effects, you're confusing those caused by differences in air density with one that's caused by suspended water droplets. Looming is the magnification of an object from a composite lens of suspended water droplets.

Differences in air density can cause the entire filed of view to rise up and become distorted but that's a separate effect more closely related to superior mirages.


Yes the foreshortening is a bottom up vertical compression, looming then magnifies the compressed image. A narrow band superior mirage is often also present and mirrors the bottom half.

There is no reason why perspective should affect the vertical direction differently than the horizontal direction, so how can perspective cause flattening? Also, because the angular size of the sun is always 0.5 degrees, there is no way that it can approach the angular limit of the observer. Either way it still doesn't explain why the sun appears compressed in one direction as it sets.


I meant that flat earth rejects the claim that looming is what allows objects that are behind the earth's curvature be seen even though it "raises the apparent elevation of an object because the object is enlarged."


My understanding of refraction and looming is good. Atmospheric refraction is caused by the differences in the density of the air at different elevations. Generally, the air at lower elevations is denser and this causes the effect of looming, making distance objects appear higher than they actually are. However, local conditions can also cause other refractive effects.

Anyway, I don't understand how the combination of magnification and foreshortening can cause the sun to appear to go below the plane. Are you saying that it actually doesn't, and instead it is compressed so much vertically that it can no longer be seen?

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^^^ See how notbatman advertises for cigarettes with outdated cigarette ads? Same kind of thing he is trying to do with the shape of the earth... FE = outdated data advertising.

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One of the most important understandings about FE science is the fact that it is layman oriented.

A formal, educated scientist knows how to show the fallacies of FE science easily. The layman knows some science, but has to think his way through what the FE people are saying, because he doesn't do this science thing everyday. By the time he has figured the thing out, he has started to fall for the lure of FE non-science. It's an easy step to go the rest of the way and say, "Wow. Maybe FE people are right."

One of the easiest ways a layman can protect himself from FE propaganda is, find some solid GE science, and then simply say, "I'm not a professional scientist. The professionals have seen through this FE garbage long ago." And then to go somewhere else for entertainment.

The point is, FE scientists are definitely professionals... at least some of them. But more than that, they are professional liars, and professional brainwashers.

How dare you talk about us poor little FE people like that? All we are trying to do is innocently show people how they have been lied to by mainstream science... blah, blah, blah.

They play on your emotions. They are professional salesmen playing a game with you. Consider notbatman, sitting back and chuckling to himself, "Four years and more than 800 pages. Who could have dreamed there are so many gullible people?"