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January 24, 2016, 09:51:29 PM
OP, may i ask how much you earn per month and how much you would be willing to invest to proof without a doubt (!!) that flat earth is real and everything else a hoax?

There are several methods of doing so depending on how much money you are willing to spend.

Put your money where your mouth is!

This thread is about rockets and fraud. Like the fraud perpetrated on the British taxpayer by the Royal Aircraft Establishment with their BLACK ARROW rocket program in the 1960's.

That is fine no problem.
But don't you want to answer my questions? If you dont want to do it in public you could also send me a pm.

Question goes to all FE's

does not need to spend a penny proving it, a working scale model of FE already exists, but no working scale model of hollow or sphere earth can be produced with bodies of water Wink look up the recreation of the ancient greek antikythera mechanism or produce working scale models of either sphere or hollow earth, now thats what will cost Wink


And flat earth sits exactly on what?

Does flat earth extend infinitely in all directions?

Is the dome made of glass?

Flat earth people have hollow earth heads.

Smiley

something wrong with a similar concept to sphere earth? floating in space, potentially infinite potentially made of all sorts if you believe the tales, personally i like the idea that we are inside noahs ark and we maybe we did stem from adam and eve, just maybe not as naturally as we are today Wink circumstances of today are in no way finite, we have very little actual evidence to work with, but just accepting 1 concept out of the 3 without physical evidence is madness, my belief is i dont have much of a clue but i like the idea of flat earth more than the other 2 Smiley

hey your entitled to your opinion but we think the same about the closed minds of nay sayers and doubters, theres a reason your taught this stuff at a young age, so you accept it and believe it without any evidence, just hearsay then when questioned your stockholm syndrome / programing kicks in :/
legendary
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January 24, 2016, 09:18:04 PM
OP, may i ask how much you earn per month and how much you would be willing to invest to proof without a doubt (!!) that flat earth is real and everything else a hoax?

There are several methods of doing so depending on how much money you are willing to spend.

Put your money where your mouth is!

This thread is about rockets and fraud. Like the fraud perpetrated on the British taxpayer by the Royal Aircraft Establishment with their BLACK ARROW rocket program in the 1960's.

That is fine no problem.
But don't you want to answer my questions? If you dont want to do it in public you could also send me a pm.

Question goes to all FE's

does not need to spend a penny proving it, a working scale model of FE already exists, but no working scale model of hollow or sphere earth can be produced with bodies of water Wink look up the recreation of the ancient greek antikythera mechanism or produce working scale models of either sphere or hollow earth, now thats what will cost Wink


And flat earth sits exactly on what?

Does flat earth extend infinitely in all directions?

Is the dome made of glass?

Flat earth people have hollow earth heads.

Smiley
legendary
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January 24, 2016, 09:13:51 PM
Then, are all the photos taken from space and the ISS fakes too? All of them?
I mean - this could have worked before mankind went into space, but now? How long will they still try with this flat earth scam?

I agree that flat earth is wrong. But how do we know? If we are not astronauts or part of the team who actually send people into space, how do we really know? They all might be lying, right? The old pictures look fake. The science of making fake pictures look real, has improved way faster than space flight. Just look at all the movies.

How do we know for sure that we are in space?

Smiley
legendary
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January 24, 2016, 04:11:43 PM
OP, may i ask how much you earn per month and how much you would be willing to invest to proof without a doubt (!!) that flat earth is real and everything else a hoax?

There are several methods of doing so depending on how much money you are willing to spend.

Put your money where your mouth is!

This thread is about rockets and fraud. Like the fraud perpetrated on the British taxpayer by the Royal Aircraft Establishment with their BLACK ARROW rocket program in the 1960's.

That is fine no problem.
But don't you want to answer my questions? If you dont want to do it in public you could also send me a pm.

Rockets & fraud or bust dude, there's a thread for Flat Earth Q&A in the off-topic section.

Not sure why you are so passive-aggressive, but you started talking about rocket hoax because of flat earth.

Here is your op

Of coarse you ask "but why would they lie, I don't understand". They lie because they're hiding the fact the Earth is flat and there is no space to travel to or in. We're inside a giant underwater terrarium and atmospheric life is an artificially created novelty.

Throwing money at the question of whether the Earth is flat or not isn't going to prove shit. If you want proof just do some research, there's literally hundreds of different proofs that its flat and it wont cost you a dime.

It is funny that you conclude everything that doesnt support FE as a hoax but if it supports FE it can only be true.

So the idea behind my question is to make your own research (im not talking about watching youtube videos).
But to do so, you have to gather money to start your research.

And yes im talking about real science and research (i.e. building a vehicle to crash against the glass dome/flying over the northpole etc. pp.).
No Youtube.com videos, no URL Links, No Memes.


I can only conclude from your answer that you either have zero money or are scared that FE is just a hoax.

There is no possible argument why we shouldnt gather money to pay for conclusive and accurate proof of FE.
What can you believe more then your own eyes? (funny that you said that yourself several times in the FE thread)

btw. do you mind to post this also on the FE websites and forums on the internet?
maybe we might be able to gather a good chunk and build our own satellite or something?
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January 24, 2016, 03:23:54 PM
Then, are all the photos taken from space and the ISS fakes too? All of them?
I mean - this could have worked before mankind went into space, but now? How long will they still try with this flat earth scam?
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January 24, 2016, 03:16:41 PM
OP, may i ask how much you earn per month and how much you would be willing to invest to proof without a doubt (!!) that flat earth is real and everything else a hoax?

There are several methods of doing so depending on how much money you are willing to spend.

Put your money where your mouth is!

This thread is about rockets and fraud. Like the fraud perpetrated on the British taxpayer by the Royal Aircraft Establishment with their BLACK ARROW rocket program in the 1960's.

That is fine no problem.
But don't you want to answer my questions? If you dont want to do it in public you could also send me a pm.

Question goes to all FE's

does not need to spend a penny proving it, a working scale model of FE already exists, but no working scale model of hollow or sphere earth can be produced with bodies of water Wink look up the recreation of the ancient greek antikythera mechanism or produce working scale models of either sphere or hollow earth, now thats what will cost Wink
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January 24, 2016, 02:39:12 PM
Of course the earth is flat. Go out and look at it. If it were round everything would be curving around and you'd be speaking to ppl who stand horizontally.

Really, the earth is flat as a pancake (and pancakes are round and flat)
The curvature of the planet happens at 25km distance - you cannot see it and that's why everything doesn't appear curved around you.
legendary
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January 24, 2016, 12:03:39 PM
OP, may i ask how much you earn per month and how much you would be willing to invest to proof without a doubt (!!) that flat earth is real and everything else a hoax?

There are several methods of doing so depending on how much money you are willing to spend.

Put your money where your mouth is!

This thread is about rockets and fraud. Like the fraud perpetrated on the British taxpayer by the Royal Aircraft Establishment with their BLACK ARROW rocket program in the 1960's.

That is fine no problem.
But don't you want to answer my questions? If you dont want to do it in public you could also send me a pm.

Question goes to all FE's
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January 24, 2016, 11:06:47 AM
Ask yourself have you ever seen a satelite dish pointing straight up.
Of the thousands you have seen none is even close of straight up, why not dont people live below satelites.
Furthermore, satelite dish manufatures dont expect you to live direct underneath one otherwise they woulth come with drainage holes to let the water run out.



even better question is, does anybody still believe the bullshit about satellites, i mean come on were expected to believe were stood upon a giant sphere spinning at 1000mph and we have satellites a mile above land that are in perfect synchronous orbit with the spinning ball earth, so perfect that sky tv works........ LMFAO

go set up a digital satellite system or 3 then come back and honestly tell us were stood upon a sphere earth LMFAO   
legendary
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January 24, 2016, 09:53:56 AM
No that's not the flat earth explanation for gravity, that's the controlled oppositions attempt at discrediting flat earth with a straw-man. Gravity is a fallacy invented to explain the orbits of the fake ball planets they claim are solid objects flying around in their fake vacuum space. None of the forces they attribute to gravity here on earth require gravity as an explanation for their cause.

OK, I'll bite. Explain the flat earth explanation for gravity. Why does the apple fall from the tree?

I'll answer your question but first you have to explain why a helium balloon rises up into the sky when you let go of the string? Then you have to explain why the apple has to play by a different set of rules?
tl;dr I have no idea is what you are basically saying.

This flat earth thing is so bullshit it's easy to see the holes in their crack pot "theory", this is even more crazy than the whole Bitcoin was made by the NSA thing. If the earth was flat, how do you not find an edge, or even fall from said edge.

"Drugs" is one hella of a drug.

u sound like quite the crakhead
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January 24, 2016, 02:42:26 AM
Ask yourself have you ever seen a satelite dish pointing straight up.
Of the thousands you have seen none is even close of straight up, why not dont people live below satelites.
Furthermore, satelite dish manufatures dont expect you to live direct underneath one otherwise they woulth come with drainage holes to let the water run out.

legendary
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January 23, 2016, 03:40:34 PM
Of course the earth is flat. Go out and look at it. If it were round everything would be curving around and you'd be speaking to ppl who stand horizontally.

Really, the earth is flat as a pancake (and pancakes are round and flat)

People normal. People not horizontal. People perpendicular.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/normal?s=t:
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normal
[nawr-muh l]

adjective

...

5. Mathematics.

    being at right angles, as a line; perpendicular.

...

 Cheesy
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January 22, 2016, 04:54:15 PM
Of course the earth is flat. Go out and look at it. If it were round everything would be curving around and you'd be speaking to ppl who stand horizontally.

Really, the earth is flat as a pancake (and pancakes are round and flat)
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January 22, 2016, 01:24:40 PM
No that's not the flat earth explanation for gravity, that's the controlled oppositions attempt at discrediting flat earth with a straw-man. Gravity is a fallacy invented to explain the orbits of the fake ball planets they claim are solid objects flying around in their fake vacuum space. None of the forces they attribute to gravity here on earth require gravity as an explanation for their cause.

OK, I'll bite. Explain the flat earth explanation for gravity. Why does the apple fall from the tree?

I'll answer your question but first you have to explain why a helium balloon rises up into the sky when you let go of the string? Then you have to explain why the apple has to play by a different set of rules?

Balloons rise in the atmosphere due to hydrostatic pressure (i.e. lighter fluids rise when immersed in heavier ones), but a balloon in space doesn't rise.  Balloons released on Earth won't reach outer space because the force of lift will eventually reach equilibrium with the force of gravity.  Hydrostatic pressure applies to fluids, but the density of interstellar gasses is so low in space that they behave like individual particles (which is why balloons won't rise in space).  Apples are too dense and heavy to gain lift from hydrostatic pressure.  So, apples fall when dropped because of gravity, and because they aren't buoyant in the atmosphere like balloons are.  Balloons are subject to gravity, too, but this doesn't become as obvious until balloons reach an altitude at which the atmosphere is so thin that the lift generated from hydrostatic pressure is overcome by the force of gravity.  In a vacuum affected by a gravitational field, a helium balloon would actually fall; this is because gravity still affects it, but hydrostatic pressure doesn't.

It will stop rising when the density of the atmosphere reaches that of the helium in the balloon. We haven't even reached this mythical vacuum space you talk about before it stops that is if it hasn't already popped which is unlikely. Then you invoke the magical force of gravity but why? This unpoppable balloon has stopped rising due to the atmosphere it's displaced being the same density as the helium. Then you go on to mention the fantasy of interstellar space; this isn't even relevant. As for the apple it falls because it's denser than air and again you invoke the magical force of gravity for no reason.

You accuse me of intellectual dishonesty yet your statements here show that you're an outright intellectual fraud.

PSo, it's all density, eh?

Here's a question for you then, and I'll even play by your rules:  In simulated anti-gravitational environments, such as when an airplane dips at a given speed and angle such that everything is floating around (actually, they're just in free-fall) in an air-filled chamber -- you know, just like the videos you almost surely believe NASA creates to fool us into believing that astronauts are in outer space -- how do you explain that everything in the plane is *floating*?  In other words, if both the air and all objects in the air-filled chamber are descending at the same speed relative to each other, why doesn't density separate the more-dense objects (like people) from the air in the chamber?

The problem for you is that hydrostatic pressure decreases in weightless (NOT sparce)  environments.  If it didn't, then in the descending airplane that causes all things inside it to free-fall, all of the objects that are more dense than the air would fall to the floor of the plane, even in free-fall conditions.

1) Mass + gravity --> weight --> hydrostatic pressure --> balloons rise, apples fall
2).Mass + no gravity --> weightlessness --> no hydrostatic pressure --> balloons and apples behave similarly
3) Density = mass/volume.  That's it.  Density is dependent upon mass, but is independent of weight which is integral to hydrostatic pressure.  We can see this from free-fall airplanes in which all objects are weightless in their environment; it doesn't matter how much mass or density the objects have, they all have no weight.  This gives us two scenarios to consider -- we see how objects behave in weightless environments (such as free-fall planes), and also in weighted environments (such as on Earth's surface).  Does density explain both scenarios? No. What does? Gravity.

By the way, the formula for weight is w=mg where m=mass and g=Freefall acceleration of gravity.  In a freefall airplane, g=0, so w=0.

So you're saying a helium balloon will float around in the middle of the vomit comet ("artificial zero-gravity" airplane ride) with the apple?

To answer your question the force caused by the plane dropping counters the force due to the apples density thereby causing it to float. A balloon on the other hand should rise up faster than normal due to the additional force.

Also, NASA does fake all their space walks in their fake space. You can see air bubbles rising, scuba tanks in the background and various items floating up in their "official" videos. It's not a matter of "belief" as you put it.

Yes, an apple and a helium balloon will both float around in a vomit comet, or in an elevator freefalling at terminal velocity, etc.  A helium balloon won't rise above other objects because all objects under these conditions are weightless.  Density doesn't matter; objects are equally dense in both a vomit comet and on the ground.  There is no force of density.  But weight *is* equal to a force.  This has nothing to do with bubbles.  

Not only are you wrong, you're completely Looney Toons and living in a total fantasy world.



If you think so, you have one simple way to show it: what is the formula for weight using density as a variable?  Hint: There isn't one.

Fuck off with the straw-man dude, weight is defined using the "magical" gravitational acceleration variable 'g'. Mass however can be calculated simply by volume * density.

Correct, mass=volume * density, but that doesn't explain why objects float in a vomit comet but don't on the surface of the Earth.   The volume and density of an object remain the same regardless of whether its in a vomit comet or on Earth's surface, and thus so does its mass.  This means something else must explain why objects float in a vomit comet, but not on Earth.

Slinky floats on the surface of the earth:



This has nothing to do with what we were talking about.  But that would be your common tactic: "Shit, I can't explain floating objects in freefall, let's talk about bubbles!"  Or, "Shit! I can't explain weight in terms of density, so I'll just move onto something irrelevant, like slinkies."

Although the explanation for the slinky is different, that explanation still has nothing to do with its density, but does have to do with gravity.  The slinky's natural tendency is to remained coiled; when you stretch out a slinky, it wants to revert back to its coiled shape.  When you hold a slinky in the air and release it, the top of the slinky falls at the rate of acceleration of gravity, which means the bottom of the slinky will experience an *upward* force at the rate of acceleration of gravity.  But, at the same time, the bottom of the slinky still wants to go downward as a result of gravity.  The upward force cancels out the downward force, and -- voila! -- the bottom of the slinky appears to float.  Once the slinky reverts back to its original coiled shape, the upward force no longer acts on the bottom of the slinky, and so the entire slinky falls and hits the ground.

You can't explain what happens to the slinky with density.
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January 22, 2016, 12:25:39 PM
No that's not the flat earth explanation for gravity, that's the controlled oppositions attempt at discrediting flat earth with a straw-man. Gravity is a fallacy invented to explain the orbits of the fake ball planets they claim are solid objects flying around in their fake vacuum space. None of the forces they attribute to gravity here on earth require gravity as an explanation for their cause.

OK, I'll bite. Explain the flat earth explanation for gravity. Why does the apple fall from the tree?

I'll answer your question but first you have to explain why a helium balloon rises up into the sky when you let go of the string? Then you have to explain why the apple has to play by a different set of rules?

Balloons rise in the atmosphere due to hydrostatic pressure (i.e. lighter fluids rise when immersed in heavier ones), but a balloon in space doesn't rise.  Balloons released on Earth won't reach outer space because the force of lift will eventually reach equilibrium with the force of gravity.  Hydrostatic pressure applies to fluids, but the density of interstellar gasses is so low in space that they behave like individual particles (which is why balloons won't rise in space).  Apples are too dense and heavy to gain lift from hydrostatic pressure.  So, apples fall when dropped because of gravity, and because they aren't buoyant in the atmosphere like balloons are.  Balloons are subject to gravity, too, but this doesn't become as obvious until balloons reach an altitude at which the atmosphere is so thin that the lift generated from hydrostatic pressure is overcome by the force of gravity.  In a vacuum affected by a gravitational field, a helium balloon would actually fall; this is because gravity still affects it, but hydrostatic pressure doesn't.

It will stop rising when the density of the atmosphere reaches that of the helium in the balloon. We haven't even reached this mythical vacuum space you talk about before it stops that is if it hasn't already popped which is unlikely. Then you invoke the magical force of gravity but why? This unpoppable balloon has stopped rising due to the atmosphere it's displaced being the same density as the helium. Then you go on to mention the fantasy of interstellar space; this isn't even relevant. As for the apple it falls because it's denser than air and again you invoke the magical force of gravity for no reason.

You accuse me of intellectual dishonesty yet your statements here show that you're an outright intellectual fraud.

PSo, it's all density, eh?

Here's a question for you then, and I'll even play by your rules:  In simulated anti-gravitational environments, such as when an airplane dips at a given speed and angle such that everything is floating around (actually, they're just in free-fall) in an air-filled chamber -- you know, just like the videos you almost surely believe NASA creates to fool us into believing that astronauts are in outer space -- how do you explain that everything in the plane is *floating*?  In other words, if both the air and all objects in the air-filled chamber are descending at the same speed relative to each other, why doesn't density separate the more-dense objects (like people) from the air in the chamber?

The problem for you is that hydrostatic pressure decreases in weightless (NOT sparce)  environments.  If it didn't, then in the descending airplane that causes all things inside it to free-fall, all of the objects that are more dense than the air would fall to the floor of the plane, even in free-fall conditions.

1) Mass + gravity --> weight --> hydrostatic pressure --> balloons rise, apples fall
2).Mass + no gravity --> weightlessness --> no hydrostatic pressure --> balloons and apples behave similarly
3) Density = mass/volume.  That's it.  Density is dependent upon mass, but is independent of weight which is integral to hydrostatic pressure.  We can see this from free-fall airplanes in which all objects are weightless in their environment; it doesn't matter how much mass or density the objects have, they all have no weight.  This gives us two scenarios to consider -- we see how objects behave in weightless environments (such as free-fall planes), and also in weighted environments (such as on Earth's surface).  Does density explain both scenarios? No. What does? Gravity.

By the way, the formula for weight is w=mg where m=mass and g=Freefall acceleration of gravity.  In a freefall airplane, g=0, so w=0.

So you're saying a helium balloon will float around in the middle of the vomit comet ("artificial zero-gravity" airplane ride) with the apple?

To answer your question the force caused by the plane dropping counters the force due to the apples density thereby causing it to float. A balloon on the other hand should rise up faster than normal due to the additional force.

Also, NASA does fake all their space walks in their fake space. You can see air bubbles rising, scuba tanks in the background and various items floating up in their "official" videos. It's not a matter of "belief" as you put it.

Yes, an apple and a helium balloon will both float around in a vomit comet, or in an elevator freefalling at terminal velocity, etc.  A helium balloon won't rise above other objects because all objects under these conditions are weightless.  Density doesn't matter; objects are equally dense in both a vomit comet and on the ground.  There is no force of density.  But weight *is* equal to a force.  This has nothing to do with bubbles.  

Not only are you wrong, you're completely Looney Toons and living in a total fantasy world.



If you think so, you have one simple way to show it: what is the formula for weight using density as a variable?  Hint: There isn't one.

Fuck off with the straw-man dude, weight is defined using the "magical" gravitational acceleration variable 'g'. Mass however can be calculated simply by volume * density.

Correct, mass=volume * density, but that doesn't explain why objects float in a vomit comet but don't on the surface of the Earth.   The volume and density of an object remain the same regardless of whether its in a vomit comet or on Earth's surface, and thus so does its mass.  This means something else must explain why objects float in a vomit comet, but not on Earth.

Slinky floats on the surface of the earth:

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January 22, 2016, 11:37:01 AM
No that's not the flat earth explanation for gravity, that's the controlled oppositions attempt at discrediting flat earth with a straw-man. Gravity is a fallacy invented to explain the orbits of the fake ball planets they claim are solid objects flying around in their fake vacuum space. None of the forces they attribute to gravity here on earth require gravity as an explanation for their cause.

OK, I'll bite. Explain the flat earth explanation for gravity. Why does the apple fall from the tree?

I'll answer your question but first you have to explain why a helium balloon rises up into the sky when you let go of the string? Then you have to explain why the apple has to play by a different set of rules?

Balloons rise in the atmosphere due to hydrostatic pressure (i.e. lighter fluids rise when immersed in heavier ones), but a balloon in space doesn't rise.  Balloons released on Earth won't reach outer space because the force of lift will eventually reach equilibrium with the force of gravity.  Hydrostatic pressure applies to fluids, but the density of interstellar gasses is so low in space that they behave like individual particles (which is why balloons won't rise in space).  Apples are too dense and heavy to gain lift from hydrostatic pressure.  So, apples fall when dropped because of gravity, and because they aren't buoyant in the atmosphere like balloons are.  Balloons are subject to gravity, too, but this doesn't become as obvious until balloons reach an altitude at which the atmosphere is so thin that the lift generated from hydrostatic pressure is overcome by the force of gravity.  In a vacuum affected by a gravitational field, a helium balloon would actually fall; this is because gravity still affects it, but hydrostatic pressure doesn't.

It will stop rising when the density of the atmosphere reaches that of the helium in the balloon. We haven't even reached this mythical vacuum space you talk about before it stops that is if it hasn't already popped which is unlikely. Then you invoke the magical force of gravity but why? This unpoppable balloon has stopped rising due to the atmosphere it's displaced being the same density as the helium. Then you go on to mention the fantasy of interstellar space; this isn't even relevant. As for the apple it falls because it's denser than air and again you invoke the magical force of gravity for no reason.

You accuse me of intellectual dishonesty yet your statements here show that you're an outright intellectual fraud.

PSo, it's all density, eh?

Here's a question for you then, and I'll even play by your rules:  In simulated anti-gravitational environments, such as when an airplane dips at a given speed and angle such that everything is floating around (actually, they're just in free-fall) in an air-filled chamber -- you know, just like the videos you almost surely believe NASA creates to fool us into believing that astronauts are in outer space -- how do you explain that everything in the plane is *floating*?  In other words, if both the air and all objects in the air-filled chamber are descending at the same speed relative to each other, why doesn't density separate the more-dense objects (like people) from the air in the chamber?

The problem for you is that hydrostatic pressure decreases in weightless (NOT sparce)  environments.  If it didn't, then in the descending airplane that causes all things inside it to free-fall, all of the objects that are more dense than the air would fall to the floor of the plane, even in free-fall conditions.

1) Mass + gravity --> weight --> hydrostatic pressure --> balloons rise, apples fall
2).Mass + no gravity --> weightlessness --> no hydrostatic pressure --> balloons and apples behave similarly
3) Density = mass/volume.  That's it.  Density is dependent upon mass, but is independent of weight which is integral to hydrostatic pressure.  We can see this from free-fall airplanes in which all objects are weightless in their environment; it doesn't matter how much mass or density the objects have, they all have no weight.  This gives us two scenarios to consider -- we see how objects behave in weightless environments (such as free-fall planes), and also in weighted environments (such as on Earth's surface).  Does density explain both scenarios? No. What does? Gravity.

By the way, the formula for weight is w=mg where m=mass and g=Freefall acceleration of gravity.  In a freefall airplane, g=0, so w=0.

So you're saying a helium balloon will float around in the middle of the vomit comet ("artificial zero-gravity" airplane ride) with the apple?

To answer your question the force caused by the plane dropping counters the force due to the apples density thereby causing it to float. A balloon on the other hand should rise up faster than normal due to the additional force.

Also, NASA does fake all their space walks in their fake space. You can see air bubbles rising, scuba tanks in the background and various items floating up in their "official" videos. It's not a matter of "belief" as you put it.

Yes, an apple and a helium balloon will both float around in a vomit comet, or in an elevator freefalling at terminal velocity, etc.  A helium balloon won't rise above other objects because all objects under these conditions are weightless.  Density doesn't matter; objects are equally dense in both a vomit comet and on the ground.  There is no force of density.  But weight *is* equal to a force.  This has nothing to do with bubbles.  

Not only are you wrong, you're completely Looney Toons and living in a total fantasy world.



If you think so, you have one simple way to show it: what is the formula for weight using density as a variable?  Hint: There isn't one.

Fuck off with the straw-man dude, weight is defined using the "magical" gravitational acceleration variable 'g'. Mass however can be calculated simply by volume * density.

Correct, mass=volume * density, but that doesn't explain why objects float in a vomit comet but don't on the surface of the Earth.   The volume and density of an object remain the same regardless of whether its in a vomit comet or on Earth's surface, and thus so does its mass.  This means something else must explain why objects float in a vomit comet, but not on Earth.
legendary
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January 22, 2016, 11:32:22 AM
Not only are you wrong, you're completely Looney Toons and living in a total fantasy world.



If you think so, you have one simple way to show it: what is the formula for weight using density as a variable?  Hint: There isn't one.

Fuck off with the straw-man dude, weight is defined using the "magical" gravitational acceleration variable 'g'. Mass however can be calculated simply by volume * density.


... At least until you turn the container over and dump the contents all over the table.

Smiley
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January 22, 2016, 11:24:10 AM
No that's not the flat earth explanation for gravity, that's the controlled oppositions attempt at discrediting flat earth with a straw-man. Gravity is a fallacy invented to explain the orbits of the fake ball planets they claim are solid objects flying around in their fake vacuum space. None of the forces they attribute to gravity here on earth require gravity as an explanation for their cause.

OK, I'll bite. Explain the flat earth explanation for gravity. Why does the apple fall from the tree?

I'll answer your question but first you have to explain why a helium balloon rises up into the sky when you let go of the string? Then you have to explain why the apple has to play by a different set of rules?

Balloons rise in the atmosphere due to hydrostatic pressure (i.e. lighter fluids rise when immersed in heavier ones), but a balloon in space doesn't rise.  Balloons released on Earth won't reach outer space because the force of lift will eventually reach equilibrium with the force of gravity.  Hydrostatic pressure applies to fluids, but the density of interstellar gasses is so low in space that they behave like individual particles (which is why balloons won't rise in space).  Apples are too dense and heavy to gain lift from hydrostatic pressure.  So, apples fall when dropped because of gravity, and because they aren't buoyant in the atmosphere like balloons are.  Balloons are subject to gravity, too, but this doesn't become as obvious until balloons reach an altitude at which the atmosphere is so thin that the lift generated from hydrostatic pressure is overcome by the force of gravity.  In a vacuum affected by a gravitational field, a helium balloon would actually fall; this is because gravity still affects it, but hydrostatic pressure doesn't.

It will stop rising when the density of the atmosphere reaches that of the helium in the balloon. We haven't even reached this mythical vacuum space you talk about before it stops that is if it hasn't already popped which is unlikely. Then you invoke the magical force of gravity but why? This unpoppable balloon has stopped rising due to the atmosphere it's displaced being the same density as the helium. Then you go on to mention the fantasy of interstellar space; this isn't even relevant. As for the apple it falls because it's denser than air and again you invoke the magical force of gravity for no reason.

You accuse me of intellectual dishonesty yet your statements here show that you're an outright intellectual fraud.

PSo, it's all density, eh?

Here's a question for you then, and I'll even play by your rules:  In simulated anti-gravitational environments, such as when an airplane dips at a given speed and angle such that everything is floating around (actually, they're just in free-fall) in an air-filled chamber -- you know, just like the videos you almost surely believe NASA creates to fool us into believing that astronauts are in outer space -- how do you explain that everything in the plane is *floating*?  In other words, if both the air and all objects in the air-filled chamber are descending at the same speed relative to each other, why doesn't density separate the more-dense objects (like people) from the air in the chamber?

The problem for you is that hydrostatic pressure decreases in weightless (NOT sparce)  environments.  If it didn't, then in the descending airplane that causes all things inside it to free-fall, all of the objects that are more dense than the air would fall to the floor of the plane, even in free-fall conditions.

1) Mass + gravity --> weight --> hydrostatic pressure --> balloons rise, apples fall
2).Mass + no gravity --> weightlessness --> no hydrostatic pressure --> balloons and apples behave similarly
3) Density = mass/volume.  That's it.  Density is dependent upon mass, but is independent of weight which is integral to hydrostatic pressure.  We can see this from free-fall airplanes in which all objects are weightless in their environment; it doesn't matter how much mass or density the objects have, they all have no weight.  This gives us two scenarios to consider -- we see how objects behave in weightless environments (such as free-fall planes), and also in weighted environments (such as on Earth's surface).  Does density explain both scenarios? No. What does? Gravity.

By the way, the formula for weight is w=mg where m=mass and g=Freefall acceleration of gravity.  In a freefall airplane, g=0, so w=0.

So you're saying a helium balloon will float around in the middle of the vomit comet ("artificial zero-gravity" airplane ride) with the apple?

To answer your question the force caused by the plane dropping counters the force due to the apples density thereby causing it to float. A balloon on the other hand should rise up faster than normal due to the additional force.

Also, NASA does fake all their space walks in their fake space. You can see air bubbles rising, scuba tanks in the background and various items floating up in their "official" videos. It's not a matter of "belief" as you put it.

Yes, an apple and a helium balloon will both float around in a vomit comet, or in an elevator freefalling at terminal velocity, etc.  A helium balloon won't rise above other objects because all objects under these conditions are weightless.  Density doesn't matter; objects are equally dense in both a vomit comet and on the ground.  There is no force of density.  But weight *is* equal to a force.  This has nothing to do with bubbles.  

Not only are you wrong, you're completely Looney Toons and living in a total fantasy world.



If you think so, you have one simple way to show it: what is the formula for weight using density as a variable?  Hint: There isn't one.

Fuck off with the straw-man dude, weight is defined using the "magical" gravitational acceleration variable 'g'. Mass however can be calculated simply by volume * density.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1020
January 22, 2016, 10:18:40 AM
No that's not the flat earth explanation for gravity, that's the controlled oppositions attempt at discrediting flat earth with a straw-man. Gravity is a fallacy invented to explain the orbits of the fake ball planets they claim are solid objects flying around in their fake vacuum space. None of the forces they attribute to gravity here on earth require gravity as an explanation for their cause.

OK, I'll bite. Explain the flat earth explanation for gravity. Why does the apple fall from the tree?

I'll answer your question but first you have to explain why a helium balloon rises up into the sky when you let go of the string? Then you have to explain why the apple has to play by a different set of rules?

Balloons rise in the atmosphere due to hydrostatic pressure (i.e. lighter fluids rise when immersed in heavier ones), but a balloon in space doesn't rise.  Balloons released on Earth won't reach outer space because the force of lift will eventually reach equilibrium with the force of gravity.  Hydrostatic pressure applies to fluids, but the density of interstellar gasses is so low in space that they behave like individual particles (which is why balloons won't rise in space).  Apples are too dense and heavy to gain lift from hydrostatic pressure.  So, apples fall when dropped because of gravity, and because they aren't buoyant in the atmosphere like balloons are.  Balloons are subject to gravity, too, but this doesn't become as obvious until balloons reach an altitude at which the atmosphere is so thin that the lift generated from hydrostatic pressure is overcome by the force of gravity.  In a vacuum affected by a gravitational field, a helium balloon would actually fall; this is because gravity still affects it, but hydrostatic pressure doesn't.

It will stop rising when the density of the atmosphere reaches that of the helium in the balloon. We haven't even reached this mythical vacuum space you talk about before it stops that is if it hasn't already popped which is unlikely. Then you invoke the magical force of gravity but why? This unpoppable balloon has stopped rising due to the atmosphere it's displaced being the same density as the helium. Then you go on to mention the fantasy of interstellar space; this isn't even relevant. As for the apple it falls because it's denser than air and again you invoke the magical force of gravity for no reason.

You accuse me of intellectual dishonesty yet your statements here show that you're an outright intellectual fraud.

PSo, it's all density, eh?

Here's a question for you then, and I'll even play by your rules:  In simulated anti-gravitational environments, such as when an airplane dips at a given speed and angle such that everything is floating around (actually, they're just in free-fall) in an air-filled chamber -- you know, just like the videos you almost surely believe NASA creates to fool us into believing that astronauts are in outer space -- how do you explain that everything in the plane is *floating*?  In other words, if both the air and all objects in the air-filled chamber are descending at the same speed relative to each other, why doesn't density separate the more-dense objects (like people) from the air in the chamber?

The problem for you is that hydrostatic pressure decreases in weightless (NOT sparce)  environments.  If it didn't, then in the descending airplane that causes all things inside it to free-fall, all of the objects that are more dense than the air would fall to the floor of the plane, even in free-fall conditions.

1) Mass + gravity --> weight --> hydrostatic pressure --> balloons rise, apples fall
2).Mass + no gravity --> weightlessness --> no hydrostatic pressure --> balloons and apples behave similarly
3) Density = mass/volume.  That's it.  Density is dependent upon mass, but is independent of weight which is integral to hydrostatic pressure.  We can see this from free-fall airplanes in which all objects are weightless in their environment; it doesn't matter how much mass or density the objects have, they all have no weight.  This gives us two scenarios to consider -- we see how objects behave in weightless environments (such as free-fall planes), and also in weighted environments (such as on Earth's surface).  Does density explain both scenarios? No. What does? Gravity.

By the way, the formula for weight is w=mg where m=mass and g=Freefall acceleration of gravity.  In a freefall airplane, g=0, so w=0.

So you're saying a helium balloon will float around in the middle of the vomit comet ("artificial zero-gravity" airplane ride) with the apple?

To answer your question the force caused by the plane dropping counters the force due to the apples density thereby causing it to float. A balloon on the other hand should rise up faster than normal due to the additional force.

Also, NASA does fake all their space walks in their fake space. You can see air bubbles rising, scuba tanks in the background and various items floating up in their "official" videos. It's not a matter of "belief" as you put it.

Yes, an apple and a helium balloon will both float around in a vomit comet, or in an elevator freefalling at terminal velocity, etc.  A helium balloon won't rise above other objects because all objects under these conditions are weightless.  Density doesn't matter; objects are equally dense in both a vomit comet and on the ground.  There is no force of density.  But weight *is* equal to a force.  This has nothing to do with bubbles.  

Not only are you wrong, you're completely Looney Toons and living in a total fantasy world.



If you think so, you have one simple way to show it: what is the formula for weight using density as a variable?  Hint: There isn't one.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
January 22, 2016, 09:47:51 AM

Yes, an apple and a helium balloon will both float around in a vomit comet, or in an elevator freefalling at terminal velocity, etc.  A helium balloon won't rise above other objects because all objects under these conditions are weightless.  Density doesn't matter; objects are equally dense in both a vomit comet and on the ground.  There is no force of density.  But weight *is* equal to a force.  This has nothing to do with bubbles.  

Not only are you wrong, you're completely Looney Toons and living in a total fantasy world.



You really need to learn how to use the English language better, so that you can thwart the joint in words of logic and science, rather than letting Wile E. Coyote do it for you.

 Grin
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