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Quote from: Indamuck on July 15, 2019, 08:26:25 AM

Serie A is nothing compared to its former glory and AC Milan are no longer a formidable club. Serie A is trumped by La Liga, Bundesliga, and the EPL by a wide margin. I might even put the French league over Serie A at this point.

Juventus are a really good team but I’ve often thought the fact Serie A being fairly weak is a disadvantage to Juve. It’s like PSG with the French league, both Juve & PSG don’t enough of a test week in, week out & it has a negative impact on their CL challenges. They’re not used to playing great teams so when they come across them in the latter stages of the CL they’re not prepared.

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Serie A is nothing compared to its former glory and AC Milan are no longer a formidable club. Serie A is trumped by La Liga, Bundesliga, and the EPL by a wide margin. I might even put the French league over Serie A at this point.

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Quote from: tokeweed on July 15, 2019, 07:16:49 AM

That wouldn't be another case of the 'insiders' getting excitement over nothing would it? Wink

Cos it's already a done deal as far as Barca is concerned.

I haven't followed this case but this is a noce from normal papers

Maybe I lost something somewhere

https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Estero/12-07-2019/barca-annuncia-griezmann-ma-l-atletico-rifiuta-120-milioni-insufficienti-340807528720.shtml

Edit this is the official statement, since it is official it has legal validity in court https://www.atleticodemadrid.com/noticias/comunicado-oficial-7

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Antoine Griezmann, representado por su abogado, ha comparecido en la sede de la Liga de Fútbol Profesional para rescindir unilateralmente el contrato que vincula al jugador con el Atlético de Madrid, habiendo depositado el Fútbol Club Barcelona en nombre y por cuenta del futbolista la cantidad de 120 millones de euros.

El Atlético de Madrid considera que la cantidad depositada es insuficiente para hacer frente a su cláusula de rescisión, puesto que es obvio que el compromiso del jugador y del Fútbol Club Barcelona se cerró antes de que la citada cláusula se redujera de 200 a 120 millones de euros. También fue anterior a la fecha en la que se produjo la modificación de la cláusula la comunicación que el jugador realizó el 14 de mayo anunciando su desvinculación del club.

El Atlético de Madrid cree que la extinción del contrato se produjo antes de la finalización de la pasada temporada por hechos, actos y manifestaciones realizadas por el jugador y por ello ha iniciado ya los procedimientos que ha considerado oportunos para la defensa de sus derechos e intereses legítimos.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 14, 2019, 05:10:08 PM

So Barca is posting Griezmann but Atletico refused the Payment, this will be fun.

That wouldn't be another case of the 'insiders' getting excitement over nothing would it? Wink

Cos it's already a done deal as far as Barca is concerned.

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Quote from: examplens on July 14, 2019, 03:40:05 PM

Do you know, it's called San Siro when AC Milan play, next week, when Inter come here, the same stadium was called Giuseppe Meazza. So, two clubs, same field and two names. Is it normal? Just think what it will be if Man. United and Man. City play on the same ground or Liverpool and Everton to share one stadium. No way.

The name of the stadium is actually Giuseppe Meazza. Meazza was a renowned Inter Milan player and the stadium bears his name.
San Siro is a district of the city of Milan where the stadium is located. So when you see the name San Siro it is actually the part of town where the stadium is located. Milan just prefers to call it San Siro and not Giuseppe Meazza because it is a reference to a rival player and club (Inter Milan).

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So Barca is posting Griezmann but Atletico refused the Payment, this will be fun.

Quote from: Pmalek on July 14, 2019, 02:14:59 AM

Take a look at this, is this how a stadium should look?

Stadiums are a problem but this is not teams fault.

Many and many teams want to build their new stadium, (Milan Inter Roma and more) but they can't since they have a longs loan agreement with the propriety of the stadium.

Also if they ask to build a new stadium, they need to buy the land to build it (streets and other utilities) but the owner of the lands is the owner of the old stadium and ofcourse it will not sell the land to eath from the plate.

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Quote from: examplens on July 14, 2019, 03:40:05 PM

Do you know, it's called San Siro when AC Milan play, next week, when Inter come here, the same stadium was called Giuseppe Meazza. So, two clubs, same field and two names. Is it normal? Just think what it will be if Man. United and Man. City play on the same ground or Liverpool and Everton to share one stadium. No way.

I guess it's part of their history and heritage and they wanted to keep it that way.
AC Milan and Inter Milan are very successful clubs compared to so many clubs in the top 5 leagues in Europe. I don't think they would have failed to have a stadium of their own each.

In other news, Griezmann has been given Shirt Number 17. I guess the Coutinho Exit romour will die off for now since his number is intact.

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Quote from: Theb on July 14, 2019, 01:12:41 PM

Quote from: Pmalek on July 14, 2019, 02:14:59 AM

The problems with Italian football are present not just because of their defensive mentality. I don't think that mentality will ever change, that is what makes them what they are.
The problems are in the infrastructure and the stadiums. Italian stadiums are old and unattractive. They look like huge concrete prisons and not a place where you want to bring your family to enjoy a football match. Italian clubs don't own their stadiums, except Juventus. They rent them from the city.

Then there is the problem with fake merchandise that is being sold close to the stadiums which is actually unbelievable in the first place.
The President of Napoli talked about this when fans asked him why he doesn't invest more like Juventus does with Ronaldo. He told the fans they need to change their 'cheating' mentality and support the club instead. Stop manufacturing and distributing fake Napoli shirts and instead buy the official merchandise from the club. He also mentioned that Napoli fans are paying off the stewards who are checking the tickets to let them in for free.

There are so many things that need to change for Italian football to again be competitive.

That I have to agree with you but you cannot really generalize all Italian teams being left behind by their other European counterparts. Some of the top teams have really good training facilities and they have one of the most world class youth development facilities to date. And since I know A.C. Milan more I'll be talking about their recent moves with regards to their infrastructure. Aside from A.C. Milan having Casa Milan as their training facility Milan and Inter both agreed that they'll be constructing a new stadium to replace San Siro as their Home and I think that's a big start for two Serie A teams in the league.

Do you know, it's called San Siro when AC Milan play, next week, when Inter come here, the same stadium was called Giuseppe Meazza. So, two clubs, same field and two names. Is it normal? Just think what it will be if Man. United and Man. City play on the same ground or Liverpool and Everton to share one stadium. No way.

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Quote from: Pmalek on July 14, 2019, 02:14:59 AM

The problems with Italian football are present not just because of their defensive mentality. I don't think that mentality will ever change, that is what makes them what they are.
The problems are in the infrastructure and the stadiums. Italian stadiums are old and unattractive. They look like huge concrete prisons and not a place where you want to bring your family to enjoy a football match. Italian clubs don't own their stadiums, except Juventus. They rent them from the city.

Then there is the problem with fake merchandise that is being sold close to the stadiums which is actually unbelievable in the first place.
The President of Napoli talked about this when fans asked him why he doesn't invest more like Juventus does with Ronaldo. He told the fans they need to change their 'cheating' mentality and support the club instead. Stop manufacturing and distributing fake Napoli shirts and instead buy the official merchandise from the club. He also mentioned that Napoli fans are paying off the stewards who are checking the tickets to let them in for free.

There are so many things that need to change for Italian football to again be competitive.

That I have to agree with you but you cannot really generalize all Italian teams being left behind by their other European counterparts. Some of the top teams have really good training facilities and they have one of the most world class youth development facilities to date. And since I know A.C. Milan more I'll be talking about their recent moves with regards to their infrastructure. Aside from A.C. Milan having Casa Milan as their training facility Milan and Inter both agreed that they'll be constructing a new stadium to replace San Siro as their Home and I think that's a big start for two Serie A teams in the league.

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Quote from: Pmalek on July 14, 2019, 02:14:59 AM

The problems with Italian football are present not just because of their defensive mentality. I don't think that mentality will ever change, that is what makes them what they are.
The problems are in the infrastructure and the stadiums. Italian stadiums are old and unattractive. They look like huge concrete prisons and not a place where you want to bring your family to enjoy a football match. Italian clubs don't own their stadiums, except Juventus. They rent them from the city.

What has worsened the situation is the fact that a few matches into the season, people already know who the winner of the league is going to be. If you are not a Juventus fan. This totally makes the league suck.
Even with the defensive mentality, Italian Football was quite interesting in the early 2000s. AC Milan was impressive in Europe too.

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Quote from: kenzawak on July 14, 2019, 05:36:09 AM

Speaking of Neymar, he just said in an interview that his best football memory was the 6-1 win with Barca over PSG.

LOL why is he so subtle with his words? Grin

Seriously, though, that was totally innapropiate. I can't think of a single PSG fan who wants him on the team next season.

It's a come get me plea. He's desperate. Lmao. And after what he pulled at Barca in getting a transfer to PSG...? Barca: 'Nope!'. Lololol.

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Quote from: Pmalek on July 14, 2019, 02:14:59 AM

Then there is the problem with fake merchandise that is being sold close to the stadiums which is actually unbelievable in the first place.
The President of Napoli talked about this when fans asked him why he doesn't invest more like Juventus does with Ronaldo. He told the fans they need to change their 'cheating' mentality and support the club instead. Stop manufacturing and distributing fake Napoli shirts and instead buy the official merchandise from the club. He also mentioned that Napoli fans are paying off the stewards who are checking the tickets to let them in for free.

There are so many things that need to change for Italian football to again be competitive.

Yes exactly. As I say, the lowest tax fee on players salaries is a good move, but not most important and not enough. They need people, real people on his stadiums. All his stadium was renovated for world cup 1990, then they have the best stadiums in Europe, but after that, they do not touch anything in maintenance.
For example, Inter can't buy the biggest names in the latest days, just they don't have enough money, the club was not earned enough money.

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Quote from: kenzawak on July 14, 2019, 05:36:09 AM

Speaking of Neymar, he just said in an interview that his best football memory was the 6-1 win with Barca over PSG.

LOL why is he so subtle with his words? Grin

Seriously, though, that was totally innapropiate. I can't think of a single PSG fan who wants him on the team next season.

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EDIT : there's a new problem with a possible transfer to Barca. The Spanish fiscal administration is asking for 35 millions from him.

Ah yes, good ol' Hacienda coming to get ya! Interesting that this news pops up right now when he wants to go back to Spain and not when he was in France for the past 2 years...*puts on tinfoil hat which has a barcelona flag* Florentino Perez pulling the strings to stop Neymar from signing with Barca Roll Eyes

Poor Neymar, though, troubles in Spain (tax evasion, 35M), in Brazil (tax evasion, 40M), in Paris (shitshow with PSG, watch out for the upcoming tax evasion news), multiple injuries that stopped him from playing with the NT, rape allegations...This guy is on his way to become the biggest downfall in football history.

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Griezmann will definitely be a plus for Barca. He's technically gifted and he gives 100% on the pitch. He defends when asked to, something other attacking players don't do in Barca.
The only issue is there are now too many offensive options, especially if they go for Neymar. Valverde will have a tough time dealing with the rotation and it might cause some tensions in the locker room.

Speaking of Neymar, he just said in an interview that his best football memory was the 6-1 win with Barca over PSG. Let's just say that PSG fans are really pissed with him. He was transferred for 220 millions, brought literally nothing to the team except drama and now he is almost untransferable. Many people want PSG to make an example of him and do another Rabiot (leave him out of first team for a whole year). Of course, that will never happen but it shows how bad they want him out.

EDIT : there's a new problem with a possible transfer to Barca. The Spanish fiscal administration is asking for 35 millions from him.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 13, 2019, 04:56:28 PM

I for one am happy to see clubs spending big on players I don't really rate too highly. I like Griezmann a lot don't get me wrong, but nowhere he is worth 120m, much less 200m. And yes, I'm taking into account the grossly inflated rates everyone commands. I know Liverpool are partly to blame for the Alisson and VVD buys, but then we already had eyes on them and the price tag was nothing we were able to do about.

P.S. Will the Italian rules also be retrospective or will any deals done before 2020 season starts be exempt?

In fairness to Liverpool FC, the Alisson & VVD transfer fees were covered with the sale of Coutinho to Barcelona for I think 142 million euros. Liverpool along with Spurs have a very low net spend unlike teams such as Man City, PSG, Man Utd.

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Quote from: examplens on July 13, 2019, 08:31:13 AM

It's a nice move, but I think it's not enough. Italian football league have a deeper problem than a high tax on salaries. There are no attractive games, usually, they play too much defensive and it's not attractive for the audience. very few matches played where used is more than 60% of stadium capacity. I think English second league have more visitors than Serie A. Also corruption tendency and scandal like Calciopoli was not helping.
Why will someone watch the game, where is already known the result.

The problems with Italian football are present not just because of their defensive mentality. I don't think that mentality will ever change, that is what makes them what they are.
The problems are in the infrastructure and the stadiums. Italian stadiums are old and unattractive. They look like huge concrete prisons and not a place where you want to bring your family to enjoy a football match. Italian clubs don't own their stadiums, except Juventus. They rent them from the city.

Take a look at this, is this how a stadium should look?

Then there is the problem with fake merchandise that is being sold close to the stadiums which is actually unbelievable in the first place.
The President of Napoli talked about this when fans asked him why he doesn't invest more like Juventus does with Ronaldo. He told the fans they need to change their 'cheating' mentality and support the club instead. Stop manufacturing and distributing fake Napoli shirts and instead buy the official merchandise from the club. He also mentioned that Napoli fans are paying off the stewards who are checking the tickets to let them in for free.

There are so many things that need to change for Italian football to again be competitive.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 13, 2019, 04:56:28 PM

I for one am happy to see clubs spending big on players I don't really rate too highly. I like Griezmann a lot don't get me wrong, but nowhere he is worth 120m, much less 200m. And yes, I'm taking into account the grossly inflated rates everyone commands. I know Liverpool are partly to blame for the Alisson and VVD buys, but then we already had eyes on them and the price tag was nothing we were able to do about.

P.S. Will the Italian rules also be retrospective or will any deals done before 2020 season starts be exempt?

I don't particularly like Griezman as well but 120M for him vs. 113M that Atletico paid for Joao Felix is a bargain. Griezman is world champion and proven quality throughout many seasons while felix isj ust making his first professional steps and has one good season under his belt.

That being said I think Barca will not find much happiness with him. The supporters will just wait for his first sub par performance and start to pick on him due to his dismissal (trough video) last season. He will have to hit the ground running at Camp Nou for any happiness at the club. And it is a big change to switch from defensive minded, high work-rate Atletico football to Barca way of play where everything is about Messi.

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I for one am happy to see clubs spending big on players I don't really rate too highly. I like Griezmann a lot don't get me wrong, but nowhere he is worth 120m, much less 200m. And yes, I'm taking into account the grossly inflated rates everyone commands. I know Liverpool are partly to blame for the Alisson and VVD buys, but then we already had eyes on them and the price tag was nothing we were able to do about.

P.S. Will the Italian rules also be retrospective or will any deals done before 2020 season starts be exempt?

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Quote from: Best Dreams on July 13, 2019, 04:03:51 PM

This is interesting to see such discussion and you have given such nice briefing about football, I know in every game there are some rules that workers and the gamblers will have to follow so in football if it is decided to pay 50 percent tax from the salary so it will be there for everyone, I know games need proper rules and regulation and players will have to obey the coach and follow the rules.

Keep in mind, to be "use" this new law you need to be a worker outside Italy 12-24 months and if I remember correctly 24.

So for Example Sarri worked only for 1 Year on Uk and they cannot use this thing with him, but they eventually can with Rabiot, Ramsey, DeLigt...

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 13, 2019, 10:36:52 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on July 13, 2019, 05:51:52 AM

Media in Italy are now talking about a tax reform that will come into affect starting from 2020. It is believed that this could be the beginning of better days for Italian football. Thanks to the new law clubs could now receive tax breaks.

If a player earns €10M the clubs have to pay a total of €17.5M with taxes but with the new change a player would now cost the club only €12.7M. This means that Italian clubs could give higher salaries and attract bigger stars.

It is explained a bit here:
https://www.facebook.com/AroundTurin/posts/2401865783234676?__tn__=-R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwBYurfTCBk&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2YisffVclEoR9n64SZ4UddLz3QRnrS7SzmMdf271BnPJq84kdO0_er2qo

Yeah this is active from this July if I'm not wrong.

This is not a law made for football players' but for all workers (so also applied to football).

To incentive workes from the EU, the owner will pay taxes only on 50% of the salary.

In a short them for football, you need to add 25% to get the expense.

(This is very good, take the case Pogba if he comes he will cost only 12+25%(12)=15M while a player like Pjanic 7.5+7.5 costs the same for the owner)

This is interesting to see such discussion and you have given such nice briefing about football, I know in every game there are some rules that workers and the gamblers will have to follow so in football if it is decided to pay 50 percent tax from the salary so it will be there for everyone, I know games need proper rules and regulation and players will have to obey the coach and follow the rules.

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