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Topic: Forget about exchanger search! Use BestChange! - page 10. (Read 12043 times)

legendary
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Thank you for the information about an interesting project, it’s embarrassing, but we haven’t heard specifically about Bisq in the context of DEX. A quick acquaintance with the project showed that they, unlike most DEX, work with fiat currencies. It turns out they are rather not a decentralized exchanger, but rather a decentralized p2p platform? Then the question of trust between knots emerges once again.
Bisq is the only real decentralized exchange, because you must download open source software and install it on your computer, there is no middle-man and servers.
This means you can use it for exchanging with other people p2p, and deposit

Let’s suggest that the system of transfer conformation can be implemented technically in this or that way, but what to do with accessing the safety of fiat transactions? What guarantees are there that the FBI won’t break in my door tomorrow because I received a transfer on my card from a drug dealer or kidnapper who decided to exchange dirty money for clean bitcoin through a conditional Bisq that asks no questions?
There is no ''clean'' and ''dirty'' Bitcoin on Bisq, all Bitcoin is equal.
Can you guarantee that FBI or Russian FSB won't break in someone doors using exchangers listed on Best Change website?
This was never reported to happen with Bisq and you can always choose how you want to receive fiat money, face to face cash or something else.

We will still keep our opinion that the world of decentralized cryptocurrencies and the world of fiat are two different ecosystems; each has its own rules, norms, risks and procedures.
Nobody is forcing you to exchange Bitcoin with fiat money, but Bisq offers freedom to choose whatever you want.
legendary
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What is a card verification and what’s it for?

The BestChange monitor tries to warn users if this or that exchanger requests verification of a bank card. This demand is not a frequent one, but still, pay attention to it if it is important for you. It’s easy to notice it — a round green mark with a schematic card next to the name of the exchanger.

The card verification is needed to confirm that you are its owner and complicate the life of fraudsters who use other people’s means of payment.

What data you need to provide:

🔑 Card number (at least, the first and the last four digits).

🔑 The name of the holder.

🔑 The photo of the card with the exchanger website or a paper with its URL on the background.

Is it safe? You can send the specified data without worries, they will not give potential fraudsters any benefit, even if they get hold of the photo (for example, in case the exchanger is hacked). You must cover the expiration date of the card and the CVC code on the photo, if it is indicated on the same side as the number, like cards from YooMoney. You don’t need to show the other side of the card.

The duration of the card verification depends on the business of the operators. Usually, it happens during one day.

legendary
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What do you suggest as an alternative to standard KYC-procedures?
There are p2p trading alternatives and decentralized exchanges like Bisq that don't have any KYC verification procedures.
I understand that running big centralized exchanges like Binance and others is almost impossible nowadays without some kind of KYC, but look what happened with FTX and similar examples.
Documents leaked from ''safu'' Binance, coins got seized from ''trusted'' FTX and who knows what else is happening behind the scenes.

Thank you for the information about an interesting project, it’s embarrassing, but we haven’t heard specifically about Bisq in the context of DEX. A quick acquaintance with the project showed that they, unlike most DEX, work with fiat currencies. It turns out they are rather not a decentralized exchanger, but rather a decentralized p2p platform? Then the question of trust between knots emerges once again.

Let’s suggest that the system of transfer conformation can be implemented technically in this or that way, but what to do with accessing the safety of fiat transactions? What guarantees are there that the FBI won’t break in my door tomorrow because I received a transfer on my card from a drug dealer or kidnapper who decided to exchange dirty money for clean bitcoin through a conditional Bisq that asks no questions?

We will still keep our opinion that the world of decentralized cryptocurrencies and the world of fiat are two different ecosystems; each has its own rules, norms, risks and procedures. These two different worlds must exist separately from each other and cross only when absolutely necessary. And if a person would want to transfer assets from one ecosystem to another, then they will have to give up "on the threshold" of all the features of the previous system. That is, if fiat is being transferred to cryptocurrencies, you need to forget about governmental legal and financial protection; if cryptocurrencies are being transferred to fiat, you need to forget about anonymity and no censorship.

And trying to transfer the principles of decentralization into the world of fiat currencies is a rather utopian idea of romantics with youthful maximalism and not our "bright future". It is better to develop alternative economics rather than teach bankers to keep our personal data correctly. We would be happy to buy everything only for cryptocurrency had the business in the whole world allowed us to do so!
legendary
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keep walking, Johnnie
What do you suggest as an alternative to standard KYC-procedures?
There are p2p trading alternatives and decentralized exchanges like Bisq that don't have any KYC verification procedures.
I understand that running big centralized exchanges like Binance and others is almost impossible nowadays without some kind of KYC, but look what happened with FTX and similar examples.
Documents leaked from ''safu'' Binance, coins got seized from ''trusted'' FTX and who knows what else is happening behind the scenes.
Undoubtedly, KYC is evil and the crypto community hates it. Me included.

But if you look from the other side. How can exchange service admins organize their work in such a way that there is no fraud and deceit? For example, buying crypto with stolen bank cards.

How would you react if your card details (or close relatives and friends) were stolen and used to buy crypto on the p2p trading alternatives and decentralized exchanges like Bisq that don't have any KYC verification procedures? I don't know if there is any protection against this on platforms like Bisq.
legendary
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What do you suggest as an alternative to standard KYC-procedures?
There are p2p trading alternatives and decentralized exchanges like Bisq that don't have any KYC verification procedures.
I understand that running big centralized exchanges like Binance and others is almost impossible nowadays without some kind of KYC, but look what happened with FTX and similar examples.
Documents leaked from ''safu'' Binance, coins got seized from ''trusted'' FTX and who knows what else is happening behind the scenes.
legendary
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Verification is not a way to steal customer data and use it for illegal purposes. This is just a necessity caused by the requirement of the regulators, and a reliable exchanger will never give the customer date to the third persons.
What exactly is ''reliable'' exchanger? Ones that are listed on BestChnage website or Binance maybe?!
They don't have to give them directly, they can easily get hacked like Binance did and all information will end up being sold and released in public.
Since many of exchanges listed on BestChange website are already using third party exchanges, risk is much higher if customers send them kyc documentation.
Nobody knows what really happens when documents are sent and if they are being protected or how... no guarantees at all.
If something goes wrong, customers will receive banana apology from safu ''reliable exchanger''  Tongue

It’s about exchangers in our listing, although the data can be requested by custodial services in which they keep their cryptocurrency. We would like to quote our reply to a similar question asked earlier:

Your claims are well-grounded, but they are not about the necessity to follow international norms. The fact that lots of companies around the world use very mediocre protection, store user data in unencrypted form, and most importantly do not bear any serious responsibility for leaks, is a topic for a separate discussion.

Until the world has come up with an alternative to the standard KYC procedure (although something interesting is happening around Polygon ID if it will be "fine-tuned" and scaled in the future), one has to take such risks, as with any other financial services around the world.

What about data leaks from banks, insurance companies, mobile operators, trading platforms, and payment systems? Quantitatively, there are even more of them than there are leaks from crypto exchanges and their counterparties, simply because the crypto industry is obviously more advanced and is "obsessed" with protection, and the organizations themselves are much smaller.

But we are in no way defending Binance and others, they took on the obligation to store the most valuable thing that their customers have, but they did not cope with this and should have been held accountable to the fullest extent. But the world has not yet rebuilt under the concept that personal data is most valued, for about the last 20 years inside Web2.0 it has been the hottest commodity, and until the mass adoption of Web3.0 principles, the safety of our data will be neglected, this is a fact.

However, all of the above is not a reason to ignore the principles of working with finance accepted by the world community. You do not prove to the bank that they do not have the moral right to check your passport in order to open an account? Motivating, for example, by the fact that Capital One was hacked in 2019.

What do you suggest as an alternative to standard KYC-procedures?
legendary
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Verification is not a way to steal customer data and use it for illegal purposes. This is just a necessity caused by the requirement of the regulators, and a reliable exchanger will never give the customer date to the third persons.
What exactly is ''reliable'' exchanger? Ones that are listed on BestChnage website or Binance maybe?!
They don't have to give them directly, they can easily get hacked like Binance did and all information will end up being sold and released in public.
Since many of exchanges listed on BestChange website are already using third party exchanges, risk is much higher if customers send them kyc documentation.
Nobody knows what really happens when documents are sent and if they are being protected or how... no guarantees at all.
If something goes wrong, customers will receive banana apology from safu ''reliable exchanger''  Tongue
legendary
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Do exchangers require passing the KYC procedure?

✅ What is the KYC procedure?
Know Your Customer obliges all financial institutions, including cryptocurrency exchanges, to identify and verify the identity of each client. And this happens before they can conduct financial transactions. This protects companies against the risk of working with fraudsters and terrorists, and provides safety of the client’s assets. Some time ago, this was only the internal policy of each company, but for about 5 years KYC has become established as a clear legal practice.

✅ What about exchangers?
The majority of them do not require passing KYC yet. We are doing our best to track the services which are an exclusion to the rule and mark them with a special icon. Exchangers sometimes change their terms of service, sometimes when creating an order, you may be asked to verify your identity. If you don’t want to do that, simply pick another exchanger for the same direction.

❗Verification is not a way to steal customer data and use it for illegal purposes. This is just a necessity caused by the requirement of the regulators, and a reliable exchanger will never give the customer date to the third persons.

BestChange.com is your reliable partner in your search for the best e-money and cryptocurrency exchange rates.

legendary
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How can you select a suitable exchanger?

On our monitor, we are trying to consider all the indicators that can be meaningful for the user. The rate is not always the most crucial thing. You also need to take into account minimal limits, reserves, requirements to the user, reputation and a lot of other things.

What you need to pay attention to when choosing an exchanger via BestChange:

✅ Duration of work and the number of positive reviews. We pay special attention to the reviews on our site to make sure they are confirmed by real people and so that representatives of exchangers respond to the claims in a timely manner.

✅ Total reserves. The higher this indicator, the more likely that the exchanger is serious and will work stably.

✅ Rating in payment systems (WebMoney, Perfect Money etc.), as well as the rating of the site in MyWOT.

✅ Statistics — the most popular payment directions in an exchanger and their demand dynamics.

✅ Additional features, the most important of which can be immediately seen in the list in the form of green circles next to the exchanger’s name. Here is the method of processing the order (manual/semi-automatic), the type of commission (fixed/floating), and much more.

Choose attentively, and then your every exchange will be profitable and smooth.

legendary
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How to make an exchange for cash?

Sometimes it is more convenient to buy or sell cryptocurrency for cash. Thanks to that, you get 100 per cent anonymity, because it is maximally difficult to track the cash transfer than card operations.

To use this exchange option:

👉 You need to select cash in the payment direction on BestChange.com, above the drop-down list, enter your city.
👉 Select an exchanger, taking into consideration the rate, reserve, verification requirements and other parameters, and then go to its website.
👉 Enter the required amount and other details into the field.
👉 Then write to the chat of the exchanger, informing the operator the number of your order. And, most importantly, agree on the date and time of a meeting with the delivery person or visiting the office.

When you visit the office, you will give cash and receive cryptocurrency, or vice versa.
☝ It is important that in this case the rate is fixed at the moment of exchange.
In general, exchangers support the world’s popular currencies — dollars, euro, hryvnias, Belorussian rubles etc. When selecting an exchanger, make sure it does provide this service.

legendary
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What is a floating exchange rate?

Selecting an exchanger on BestChange, you can notice that some of them have a “This exchanger does not fix the exchange rate in the order” mark. Let’s see what this means for the user.

This mark can be set in two cases:

🔒 If the trading pair is very volatile. In this case, the exchanger sets a short lifetime of the order or a maximal allowable percentage of deviation to insure against sharp fluctuations in the exchange rate. When going beyond these limits, the rate will be recalculated up or down.

🔒 If an order can take a long time — for instance, for cases with cash or during a high load of the cryptocurrency blockchain. In this case, the exchanger recalculates the amount at the rate that took place at the moment of closing the deal.

Some exchangers set a specific time limit (for example, 10 minutes), during which the rate will be fixed. If the order hasn’t been paid for during this time, then the fixing of the rate is canceled. Also, sometimes, the rate gets reviewed only after a considerable change in the market rate of the currency. Say, by 5%.

A decent exchanger must specify the relevant information at the stage of creating an order — conditions for the rate change, the number of the network confirmations for cryptocurrencies, the conditions for rate formation (for example, at the indices of this or that exchange), maximal amount of recalculation of the final amount, etc.

legendary
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Firstly, we would like to note that the majority of the website elements have explanations. If you hover your mouse over the element and wait a bit, a hint will appear:



And we would like to divide the very question to several points.

1. Any exchanger is present only at the versions of the website the support in the language of which it is ready to provide. Earlier we had written about it:

As you correctly noticed, Russian-language services are represented on the .ru version, and English-language ones – on the .com version. This separation was made due to the difficulty of understanding a foreign language by the large majority of our website visitors. It must be noted that what is meant is not only the translation of the interface with which more or less a browser’s in-built translator can cope, what is meant is firstly the language of support. If a service cannot provide qualified help in the required langue, such service is hidden from the corresponding version of the website. This is done mainly for the comfort of the very users.

2. Despite the fact that their profile is still in the catalogue, we do not show them for any exchange direction in cast it has a status different from "Paбoтaeт" ("Available"). Some if the exchangers not shown in usual results due to technical reasons, can be found in the general list, however the websites switched off by our moderators won’t be shown them. It is mainly done so the users could have an option to leave reviews and have a dialogue in claims.

3.  We do not publicly announce the reason for switching off, often it can be a temporality misunderstanding or an active unsettled claim from a user. If there are at least potential risks of not fulfilling obligations in regards of us or users, we exclude exchangers from the listing. And return them in active stated after they have solved the problem and eliminated the reason for the risk.

4. If an exchanger, in our opinion, cannot be restored in the listing, we add a label “Warning! It may be unsafe to use this exchanger. Lots of complaints from clients, no response from the administration.”
legendary
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I just find the ANN thread of one exchanger monitoring by BestChange, bit-changer.cc
although some things here confuse me. I can't find their name on Bestchange English version site, only on .ru. Ok, maybe that's explainable if they do business only with users from Russia.
on their feedback page with you, there is a mark that they are "oтключeн" (disabled). what exactly does that label mean, given that they are still on the site, and it is also open for users to leave feedback about them?
If for some reason they are disabled by you, why are they still actively on your monitoring and where can we see the reason for their exclusion?


https://www.bestchange.ru/bit-changer-exchanger.html
legendary
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Order processing modes of exchangers

🔑 There are many factors influencing the speed and reliability of an exchanger. One of them is its principle of processing orders. It can be manual, automatic or semi-automatic. On BestChange you will find all these varieties if they meet the other rules of getting into the listing.

📌 Manual. Each order is manually checked by an operator after which the employee transfers the funds to the specified payment details. This process can take time — up to a day, depending on busyness of operators and exchange rules.

📌 Semi-automatic. After the user has paid for the order, the requested funds are transferred to him to the specified payment details. The speed of a transfer depends on the bank of blockchain network. In this case, the function of an operator is only to manually confirm the receipts of funds and transfer the order to the next stage of the automated transfer system.

📌 Automatic. Works on predefined templates, thanks to which the exchange takes place almost instantly and in a few clicks. The role of operators is only to provide technical support to users. This is the fastest option.

In our monitor, we list both automatic and semi-automatic exchangers. As a rule, information about the mode is indicated in a round mark next to the name of the exchanger in the list. If you notice that the information isn’t correct, please let us know.

legendary
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Why are user reviews sometimes deleted?

The exchanger monitor’s administration reserves the right to remove some reviews in the following cases:
👉 if the review contains foul language, offending information;
👉 if the review is a copy of another one;
👉 if the reviews contain calls for war action, separatism, racism, class animosity, etc.;
👉 if the reviews contain advertising materials or were written by the user to gain some kind of profit;
👉 if the review contains any kind of information about smoking, alcohol, usage of drugs;
👉 if the reviews contain false information or user's untrue speculations.

We care about our users and are always very attentive about what you write. BestChange moderators work round the clock, studying each case and each issue. We welcome your reviews about exchangers you use. This is invaluable help to other users!

legendary
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Additional features of BestChange

Today we are going to tell you about several useful features of the monitor that will help you in your work. You can use them after you have selected an exchange direction. Please pay attention to the buttons on top of the exchanger table:

💸 Inverse exchange. That is an instant change of exchange direction to the inverse one (for instance, you selected an Ethereum to Bitcoin direction, and clicking this button you will get a Bitcoin to Ethereum direction).

💸 Save. This button adds a direction on the top of the list that can be found in the tab “Popular” on the left. It is especially relevant if the direction is rare — you won’t need to waste time to find it each time.

💸 Discrepancy. A form to contact us will open and you can use it if you have found discrepancies between rates/reserves specified in the monitor and factual ones. Also, you can indicate here other discrepancies, for example, with manual/automatic exchange. Please write to us, it helps us become better.

💸 History. All your last visits of the exchanger websites. Rates and reserves that took place at the time of transition are indicated.

Finally, the “Settings” button will help you configure the appearance of the table to your liking: you can adjust the refresh rate, select the font, decimal separators, etc. Use the settings to make the site comfortable for you.

legendary
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Why can you come across exchangers in our listing that have been working less than six months?

Let’s look at this situation in details. Many of you know that we have a number of rules which exchangers must meet when they are added to the monitor’s listing — https://www.bestchange.com/wiki/add.html

However, some exchangers fall under the exception:

- exchangers for which vouches an acting reliable partner of BestChange. It is important that it has positive reputation in our rating;
- exchangers that come from an an owner of a large internet-project, for instance, crypto exchange, p2p platform or a mining company.

That is why if you see a “young” exchanger in our listing, be sure that it has gone through a thorough diligence check. All potentials risks from their listing are smoothed by vouching for them by services with many years of excellent reputation.

BestChange.com cares for its users!

legendary
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Haven’t found the rate or reserves you are looking for? Set notification s— we inform you by email or Telegram when a relevant offer appears.
I understand what happens with email option, but how exactly notifications work for telegram, and how can they be stopped?
You don't want to have people having notifications all the time, so they should know how to control them, enable and disable.
I see there is option to enable them on website and add specific time period, but maybe you should also add DISABLE option to cancel all notifications.

but this also seems fair to me, if the required deadline is really met when the notifications are stopped.
all unnecessary notifications can be very annoying and often needlessly distract attention.

Thank you! This is a really handy function, it would be great to give an opportunity to “change their mind” to those who set the notifications with a large term. We will definitely pass on your request to the development team. We will implement it in the new version of the website.
legendary
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I understand what happens with email option, but how exactly notifications work for telegram, and how can they be stopped?
You don't want to have people having notifications all the time, so they should know how to control them, enable and disable.
I see there is option to enable them on website and add specific time period, but maybe you should also add DISABLE option to cancel all notifications.

I think that you have to manage everything else through the Telegram application. mute/disable etc... but this also seems fair to me, if the required deadline is really met when the notifications are stopped.
all unnecessary notifications can be very annoying and often needlessly distract attention.
legendary
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Merit: 7064
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Haven’t found the rate or reserves you are looking for? Set notification s— we inform you by email or Telegram when a relevant offer appears.
I understand what happens with email option, but how exactly notifications work for telegram, and how can they be stopped?
You don't want to have people having notifications all the time, so they should know how to control them, enable and disable.
I see there is option to enable them on website and add specific time period, but maybe you should also add DISABLE option to cancel all notifications.
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