FortuneJack Casino Refuses to Pay 20 BTC Won From Jackpot!

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Quote from: verusfides on May 25, 2019, 04:17:58 AM

lol what makes you think I'm going alone? There are more than a dozen people that have acknowledged the validity of my claim and are willing to follow suit. You've worked with David you know if he had an explanation or something to say he would be no doubt front and center as we speak addressing the situation but instead they removed me from their discord server and their staff had been rummaging into my account since I brought this up.

If true, why do you continue to complain on a brain wash forum and ask gamblers?

I'm just asking for a public response. Best to hear the answer straight from the source. I mean, has anyone seen proof from them that I'm wrong? I presented my proof. Doesn't get more solid than the coverpage of their Sign-Up page without the T&C agreement.

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Quote from: marlboroza on May 25, 2019, 04:17:44 AM

I checked mobile version and ToS is not on sign-up screen. However, I couldn't sign-up so I can't either confirm or deny that it is/was possible to sign up without checking ToS box. Another thing is, IIRC, FJ did send message to everyone when they changed ToS - does it apply to users who were not forced to agree to ToS in order to use FJ's services? I would say no, but I would also say that it doesn't apply to anyone. If you want people to agree to new terms and conditions - they have to agree by ticking that box, every time changes are made.

Would anyone agree if FJ change ToS and put in there "we will take 50% of your deposit as a fee for our service", doesn't share this with players and simple start taking 50% just because they said they will? I don't think anyone would.

That is nothing different than any other change in ToS. The rule "we can change our ToS every time we want" is correct, but when they do change it, they need to inform users about it and users need to confirm that they are aware of changes and that they agree with new ToS.

Whatever is not in ToS doesn't apply as a rule.

These are all holes in system and if OP is telling the truth they should hire a lawyer. (of course, if you have received compensation from them and you took it - in that case you should lock this topic, I don't think you have a case then).

Nope I said previously T&C that is enforced upon players is only enforced at the time of through the remainder of your interaction with the website from then on. It would not apply to any matters prior to that point.

Other than that, what you said is pretty much on point. Glad someone still uses the power of basic deduction, instead of going on 10 separate tangents of why I shouldn't be getting any money.

Also, covered that part to, I let people know that it wouldn't apply to everyone.

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Quote from: Lauda on May 25, 2019, 04:21:47 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on May 25, 2019, 04:17:44 AM

These are all holes in system and if OP is telling the truth they should hire a lawyer. (of course, if you have received compensation from them and you took it - in that case you should lock this topic, I don't think you have a case then).

Agreed, and he did, 4 months ago.

Let's just recap what this person just said Lardo. Do you notice something? If OP is telling the truth then it doesn't matter what they gave me. Also even though game-protect is like the Saul of BTCtalk. He's right. I didn't sign anything, also matters were handled outside of the website domain so it wouldn't affect regardless. Also, you notice how FJ hasn't said anything regarding another individual 20 dollars and bonus spins? Pettiness on a whole another level lol.

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Did he sign a contract when he accepted a compensation for his 20 BTC?

Ask gamblers will fail because it is a biased service, otherwise criminal casinos would not use it!

Thereafter he can ask bakers and still has the option to engage Game Protect.

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Quote from: marlboroza on May 25, 2019, 04:17:44 AM

These are all holes in system and if OP is telling the truth they should hire a lawyer. (of course, if you have received compensation from them and you took it - in that case you should lock this topic, I don't think you have a case then).

Agreed, and he did, 4 months ago.

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I checked mobile version and ToS is not on sign-up screen. However, I couldn't sign-up so I can't either confirm or deny that it is/was possible to sign up without checking ToS box. Another thing is, IIRC, FJ did send message to everyone when they changed ToS - does it apply to users who were not forced to agree to ToS in order to use FJ's services? I would say no, but I would also say that it doesn't apply to anyone. If you want people to agree to new terms and conditions - they have to agree by ticking that box, every time changes are made.

Would anyone agree if FJ change ToS and put in there "we will take 50% of your deposit as a fee for our service", doesn't share this with players and simple start taking 50% just because they said they will? I don't think anyone would.

That is nothing different than any other change in ToS. The rule "we can change our ToS every time we want" is correct, but when they do change it, they need to inform users about it and users need to confirm that they are aware of changes and that they agree with new ToS.

Whatever is not in ToS doesn't apply as a rule.

These are all holes in system and if OP is telling the truth they should hire a lawyer. (of course, if you have received compensation from them and you took it - in that case you should lock this topic, I don't think you have a case then).

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Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 07:53:21 AM

I reopened this case with askGamblers today and I'd like to inform everyone on the forum and players of the site that with the research I have done I am more than entitled to that money and FortuneJack should no longer have a say in this matter.

The reason I say this with such confidence is this. Fortunejack does not bind or notify players of its T&C. Not when you sign up, not when you try to get your bonuses, never. Since I have never adhered to such terms and conditions or willfully agreed by terms or clickwrap. (A form of T&C agreement which makes you check a box before finishing sign up to the website or before making use of their services.) You guys are more than welcome to check yourselves that this is true. I the player having not been notified of such T&C till the winnings were removed from me and even then I was not told to abide by the terms and conditions. Since I have never entered any agreement. All the bug winnings play and plinko jackpot plays. So God damn it hand me my jackpot or I'll fly over there and have you cover the flight, the hotel fees and the days I missed work because you guys had no right to take anything from me in the first place!

Explain your way out of this one David.

PS if I take this to court all of your T&C will be VOID for the event as well as any other event that has occurred prior.

PSS this rule applies to ALL players. So if any of you guys on here are players of FortuneJack and have been wronged. You can apply this so they can't hide behind their T&C.

The part you missed is that

1) Illegal online casinos like FortuneJack can not have juridical valid terms and conditions

2) The applicable civil laws stand above private terms and conditions. I know that this claim is against the brain wash theories spread on forums, but nevertheless true.

3) The law firm cooperating with Game Protect offers to enforce your claim on a no cure no pay basis. That will be much more intelligent than ask gamblers of discuss with brain washers!

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Quote from: Lauda on May 24, 2019, 11:12:10 AM

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 11:07:51 AM

You're missing the bigger picture here. There was a story David told me about one player who had claimed over 300 BTC from a bug. Im sure there is more than one person like this imagine they found out they were never bound by T&C. They would have to pay. Also why do I need to prove it anyways I'm confident they already have all that information at hand and I'm sure they know what I say is true. I don't need to scam anybody they just dug their own graves.

If stories, rumours, claims are true, then go via the legal option. You can't adequately prove them here, if you could then this case would be trivial. FJ isn't even that active on any of these platforms. What someone knows, thinks, might have said or actually said, I don't care without evidence. My rating stands until you can provide satisfying/adequate proof of said claim(s).

The biased baboon teeGUMES can go away. This case is too large for his brain to process.

whoa you started the bias first in the new origin post I'm willing to fly out to whatever strip of land they're in and take more than what I should've got. Look it now these clowns kicked me off their Discord page for what reason? You and I both know if David could fight this battle he 100% would. You've seen him before goes so far as to provide every detailed fucking log. Why can't he say something here? Best action is to drop me from FJ discord. They know they can't hide from this and shit if enough people feel they are entitled to a reward guess we gonna have an international class action. Think they can provide rooms for everyone before they run out of money? I mean they could've just paid me right from the start instead they had to get technical.

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Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 11:07:51 AM

You're missing the bigger picture here. There was a story David told me about one player who had claimed over 300 BTC from a bug. Im sure there is more than one person like this imagine they found out they were never bound by T&C. They would have to pay. Also why do I need to prove it anyways I'm confident they already have all that information at hand and I'm sure they know what I say is true. I don't need to scam anybody they just dug their own graves.

If stories, rumours, claims are true, then go via the legal option. You can't adequately prove them here, if you could then this case would be trivial. FJ isn't even that active on any of these platforms. What someone knows, thinks, might have said or actually said, I don't care without evidence. My rating stands until you can provide satisfying/adequate proof of said claim(s).

The biased baboon teeGUMES can go away. This case is too large for his brain to process.

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Quote from: Lauda on May 24, 2019, 10:40:41 AM

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 10:35:54 AM

Quote from: Lauda on May 24, 2019, 10:29:21 AM

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 24, 2019, 08:54:09 AM

I don’t see anything about the T&C on the Mobile version. If you don’t affirmatively accept the T&C, they cannot bind you to it.

Mentioning it is insufficient. You must take affirmative action to accept it.

Also the user Lauda fails to realize this is the site as is now. When I first had that account opened it simply asked by checking the box you agree you are over 21 years of age in the district you reside in. Something along those lines. Was too wordy on age restriction with no T&C agreement.

Can you prove this? If not, go away. You won't get any money I stand firm on this as I have before.

http://imgur.com/JmKDFCp

Feel free to fuck off now stubborn little shit stick.

Can you prove that you've signed up on the mobile version? You can not. Which, combined with the timeline of the re-opening means that you are a greedy liar trying to scam FortuneJack. Prove me wrong.

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 10:35:54 AM

Why don't you stop trying to save the Titanic. It's a done deal they know it. I know cuhz their discord mod tried to delete my post and only after I had asked if that's really the best thing to do atm they stopped. So stop unless you recently made commissions with them you have no reason to protect and if you do commission with them then you deserve to be on that sinking ship so fuck outta my way.

I'm extremely sensitive to lying. Your next response will either prove or destroy the case for good. Prove that you signed up without clicking the checkbox.

Editing does not work, I've tagged you with an archived version.

Cheerio.

You're missing the bigger picture here. There was a story David told me about one player who had claimed over 300 BTC from a bug. Im sure there is more than one person like this imagine they found out they were never bound by T&C. They would have to pay. Also why do I need to prove it anyways I'm confident they already have all that information at hand and I'm sure they know what I say is true. I don't need to scam anybody they just dug their own graves.

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Quote from: Lauda on May 24, 2019, 10:40:41 AM

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 10:35:54 AM

Quote from: Lauda on May 24, 2019, 10:29:21 AM

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 24, 2019, 08:54:09 AM

I don’t see anything about the T&C on the Mobile version. If you don’t affirmatively accept the T&C, they cannot bind you to it.

Mentioning it is insufficient. You must take affirmative action to accept it.

Also the user Lauda fails to realize this is the site as is now. When I first had that account opened it simply asked by checking the box you agree you are over 21 years of age in the district you reside in. Something along those lines. Was too wordy on age restriction with no T&C agreement.

Can you prove this? If not, go away. You won't get any money I stand firm on this as I have before.

http://imgur.com/JmKDFCp

Feel free to fuck off now stubborn little shit stick.

Can you prove that you've signed up on the mobile version? You can not. Which, combined with the timeline of the re-opening means that you are a greedy liar trying to scam FortuneJack. Prove me wrong.

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 10:35:54 AM

Why don't you stop trying to save the Titanic. It's a done deal they know it. I know cuhz their discord mod tried to delete my post and only after I had asked if that's really the best thing to do atm they stopped. So stop unless you recently made commissions with them you have no reason to protect and if you do commission with them then you deserve to be on that sinking ship so fuck outta my way.

I'm extremely sensitive to lying. Your next response will either prove or destroy the case for good. Prove that you signed up without clicking the checkbox.

Dear everybody who signed up on that site before it got revamped knows there were never any highlighted yellow letters labeled Terms and Conditions. Back then the only thing on sign up said by checking this box you acknowledge you are 21 years of age in the residence you reside in. Shit was so wordy you couldn't fit Terms and Conditions on the same page.

I removed a post because I feel I'm getting more aggressive towards you than I should be so I apologize for that. But I know the only reason why they would try to do something as stupid as what they did on their discord is because they know what I say is truth. It's truth they can't even hide from because it's their own fault.

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Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 10:35:54 AM

Quote from: Lauda on May 24, 2019, 10:29:21 AM

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 24, 2019, 08:54:09 AM

I don’t see anything about the T&C on the Mobile version. If you don’t affirmatively accept the T&C, they cannot bind you to it.

Mentioning it is insufficient. You must take affirmative action to accept it.

Also the user Lauda fails to realize this is the site as is now. When I first had that account opened it simply asked by checking the box you agree you are over 21 years of age in the district you reside in. Something along those lines. Was too wordy on age restriction with no T&C agreement.

Can you prove this? If not, go away. You won't get any money I stand firm on this as I have before.

http://imgur.com/JmKDFCp

Feel free to fuck off now stubborn little shit stick.

Can you prove that you've signed up on the mobile version? You can not. Which, combined with the timeline of the re-opening means that you are a greedy liar trying to scam FortuneJack. Prove me wrong.

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 10:35:54 AM

Why don't you stop trying to save the Titanic. It's a done deal they know it. I know cuhz their discord mod tried to delete my post and only after I had asked if that's really the best thing to do atm they stopped. So stop unless you recently made commissions with them you have no reason to protect and if you do commission with them then you deserve to be on that sinking ship so fuck outta my way.

I'm extremely sensitive to lying. Your next response will either prove or destroy the case for good. Prove that you signed up without clicking the checkbox.

Editing does not work, I've tagged you with an archived version.

Cheerio.

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Quote from: Lauda on May 24, 2019, 10:29:21 AM

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 24, 2019, 08:54:09 AM

I don’t see anything about the T&C on the Mobile version. If you don’t affirmatively accept the T&C, they cannot bind you to it.

Mentioning it is insufficient. You must take affirmative action to accept it.

Also the user Lauda fails to realize this is the site as is now. When I first had that account opened it simply asked by checking the box you agree you are over 21 years of age in the district you reside in. Something along those lines. Was too wordy on age restriction with no T&C agreement.

Can you prove this? If not, go away. You won't get any money I stand firm on this as I have before.

http://imgur.com/JmKDFCp

Feel free to fuck off now stubborn little shit stick.

Why don't you stop trying to save the Titanic. It's a done deal they know it. I know cuhz their discord mod tried to delete my post and only after I had asked if that's really the best thing to do atm they stopped. So stop unless you recently made commissions with them you have no reason to protect and if you do commission with them then you deserve to be on that sinking ship so fuck outta my way.

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Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 24, 2019, 08:54:09 AM

I don’t see anything about the T&C on the Mobile version. If you don’t affirmatively accept the T&C, they cannot bind you to it.

Mentioning it is insufficient. You must take affirmative action to accept it.

Also the user Lauda fails to realize this is the site as is now. When I first had that account opened it simply asked by checking the box you agree you are over 21 years of age in the district you reside in. Something along those lines. Was too wordy on age restriction with no T&C agreement.

Can you prove this? If not, go away. You won't get any money I stand firm on this as I have before.

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 24, 2019, 09:07:52 AM

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 24, 2019, 08:54:09 AM

I don’t see anything about the T&C on the Mobile version. If you don’t affirmatively accept the T&C, they cannot bind you to it.

Mentioning it is insufficient. You must take affirmative action to accept it.

Also the user Lauda fails to realize this is the site as is now. When I first had that account opened it simply asked by checking the box you agree you are over 21 years of age in the district you reside in. Something along those lines. Was too wordy on age restriction with no T&C agreement.

What about any time you logged into your account? Were you ever asked to acknowledge and accept the T&C?

Nope never in the time I have had the account did it say "I agree to the terms and conditions". There were very vague notes of changes to terms and conditions but never anything asking me to confirm or abide to such T&C. I have also mentioned this too in my argument I believe that they don't notify players of any of these changes until weeks after which means that even if they wrote a new T&C since they take so long to notify players the period in which players are not notified are justifiably voided to the rules until site notification. Also the rules have to be worded specifically or clickwrapped once again. Meaning you can't just write we have updated our terms and conditions check them out here. If it isn't clickwrapped it's all prone to being void in court.

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Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 08:59:15 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on May 24, 2019, 08:54:09 AM

I don’t see anything about the T&C on the Mobile version. If you don’t affirmatively accept the T&C, they cannot bind you to it.

Mentioning it is insufficient. You must take affirmative action to accept it.

Also the user Lauda fails to realize this is the site as is now. When I first had that account opened it simply asked by checking the box you agree you are over 21 years of age in the district you reside in. Something along those lines. Was too wordy on age restriction with no T&C agreement.

What about any time you logged into your account? Were you ever asked to acknowledge and accept the T&C?

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 24, 2019, 08:54:09 AM

I don’t see anything about the T&C on the Mobile version. If you don’t affirmatively accept the T&C, they cannot bind you to it.

Mentioning it is insufficient. You must take affirmative action to accept it.

Also the user Lauda fails to realize this is the site as is now. When I first had that account opened it simply asked by checking the box you agree you are over 21 years of age in the district you reside in. Something along those lines. Was too wordy on age restriction with no T&C agreement.

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I don’t see anything about the T&C on the Mobile version. If you don’t affirmatively accept the T&C, they cannot bind you to it.

Mentioning it is insufficient. You must take affirmative action to accept it.

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I like how the defenders of the gate are up nice and early.

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Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 08:12:06 AM

Quote from: Lauda on May 24, 2019, 07:58:09 AM

Either you are blinded by your greed or just stupid?

Quote from: verusfides on May 24, 2019, 07:53:21 AM

The reason I say this with such confidence is this. Fortunejack does not bind or notify players of its T&C. Not when you sign up, not when you try to get your bonuses, never.

Check the mobile version peace.

Also any rules that were modified without player knowledge is voided even if player did clickwrap. Meaning players should be notified every single time T&C changes if not all T&C that were adjusted before prior knowledge would be void. I know I find it funny to. Let's keep the smiles coming.

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