FOX prepared to add virtual fans and crowd noise to NFL broadcasts

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Quote from: STT on July 08, 2020, 07:18:13 PM

One take I saw for online games or esports is to show fans on webcam, its not really the same because they are separate not together mostly but it kinda works.

broadcasters have been doing the home camera thing in a limited sense for years. i think we'll see more of that, yes. there are also new apps being developed that will allow fans to "cheer" remotely: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/07/yamaha-idea-let-sports-fans-send-virtual-cheers-into-empty-stadiums.html

we'll probably see a combination of this kinda remote fan participation and virtual/CGI crowds and noise to make the whole experience more realistic and competitive. it won't be quite the same as the old days, but it's better than empty stadiums with echoes and commentators and nothing else.

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Normally I'd disagree but they cant allow crowds in the normal way in these current circumstances, it will certainly lead to a death and an avoidable one. Theres even been times in history when crowds were banned for other reasons, some of the extreme riots and poor crowd behaviour in soccer games this has been the case so right now its fair to find a substitute or representative of distant fans.
One take I saw for online games or esports is to show fans on webcam, its not really the same because they are separate not together mostly but it kinda works. A crowd has a dynamic of its own so they need to improve connecting the fans so they can hear enough other and chant together and so on, otherwise its just not as good. Old footage of fans cheering is quite fine, it just takes skill to match it up properly and avoid any false dynamic.
Sometimes fans would gather on a hill or field to watch a giant screen together, not at the game but watching together. So if they could connect enough people, at least one hundred to give a large screen of not just the game but each other in a collage of live footage then it could work, hard to sync up though and a challenge but we have the tech nowadays that its a possible thing if they make an effort.

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I am among those who totally agree with the idea of adding virtual fans and crowd noise. What FOX will do is very good, because I watch
football without a live audience really boring, reducing the tension of the match. Hopefully it gives a different effect with add virtual fans
and crowd noise. In my opinion this is important to be realized right.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 07, 2020, 05:37:03 PM

Given the speed with which technology (such as deep fake) is moving, the average spectator of a sporting event on TV will soon not even be able to understand how real a match he is watching. This applies not only to fake fans but also to the players themselves Grin

Yeah, why such add virtual fans and crowd noise? This feature will let the viewers divided on their point of view. Others may going like it especially if it a real crowd noise and not an artificial. Besides, the commentators job will do already to sustain the excitement during the live watch.

Live match does not really need the crowd noise. It will just be a disturbance and yeah it will just look like unreal. This could also mean a noise crowd fight when the watch shows excitement.

I do not agree with you. Recently I have been watching matches of the Italian football championship (they are held without spectators) and this is a rather difficult sight even despite the excellent quality of the game. Without the fans and emotions of the stadium, it seems that this is a regular training session, in such an atmosphere the importance of the match is not at all felt.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 07, 2020, 05:37:03 PM

Given the speed with which technology (such as deep fake) is moving, the average spectator of a sporting event on TV will soon not even be able to understand how real a match he is watching. This applies not only to fake fans but also to the players themselves Grin

Yeah, why such add virtual fans and crowd noise? This feature will let the viewers divided on their point of view. Others may going like it especially if it a real crowd noise and not an artificial. Besides, the commentators job will do already to sustain the excitement during the live watch.

Live match does not really need the crowd noise. It will just be a disturbance and yeah it will just look like unreal. This could also mean a noise crowd fight when the watch shows excitement.

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Quote from: yazher on July 05, 2020, 10:00:29 AM

Yeah, You're right, the 21st-century version of virtual fans looks fantastic and have almost the same atmosphere with the real fans. I think this pandemic has brought us something that we don't use to see every day including this one. people always come with some fantastic ideas of alternatives regardless of what we are facing today. this is the good time to try these kind of stuff and I think this would work like some real ones.

https://i.ibb.co/GQn3WYf/Screenshot-2.jpg

Given the speed with which technology (such as deep fake) is moving, the average spectator of a sporting event on TV will soon not even be able to understand how real a match he is watching. This applies not only to fake fans but also to the players themselves Grin

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Quote from: arwin100 on July 04, 2020, 09:25:31 AM

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They are doing a nice initiative since they don't have a crowd to cheer them up and listening to those virtual cheers are also a confident booster for the player, I understand there are people doesn't like it but as of now they don't have a choice and the game will be more boring if there's no something like that putted on the game. And I'm really thankful for that since even if there's pandemic we can still see them resume the games and that is a good sign for the sports industry.

Yes, it's a boost for the players and that's also going to be a real-time cheer not just a pre-recorded cheer from their fans. No need to be picky this time and we've got something to take in and we have to fill ourselves with it.
There is no need to whine with the temporary solution of virtual fans. True fans will love the idea and will appreciate all the efforts that they do.

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Quote from: yazher on July 05, 2020, 10:00:29 AM

Yeah, You're right, the 21st-century version of virtual fans looks fantastic and have almost the same atmosphere with the real fans. I think this pandemic has brought us something that we don't use to see every day including this one. people always come with some fantastic ideas of alternatives regardless of what we are facing today. this is the good time to try these kind of stuff and I think this would work like some real ones.

Wow, this actually doesnt look that bad! Of course they cant replace real fans, that sometimes do unexpected things when being filmed but I think that would at least make us feel more comfortable watching sports.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on July 04, 2020, 07:00:47 PM

i'll admit, when i first read about this stuff, that's what came to mind---repetitive/boring effects like playstation and dreamcast era madden and nba 2k. but it's not 1999 anymore. CGI and sound effects have come a long way. the scope of spectator activity will be exponentially bigger now.

just watch this reel and tell me you aren't impressed: https://www.themill.com/stories/our-cg-crowds-reel-is-here/

Yeah, You're right, the 21st-century version of virtual fans looks fantastic and have almost the same atmosphere with the real fans. I think this pandemic has brought us something that we don't use to see every day including this one. people always come with some fantastic ideas of alternatives regardless of what we are facing today. this is the good time to try these kind of stuff and I think this would work like some real ones.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on July 04, 2020, 07:00:47 PM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on July 03, 2020, 10:13:57 AM

It's the same feeling when you're playing NBA 2k on PlayStation.

But if the SFX of virtual fans and crowd noise is just repetitive, it will become boring. I hope there are different kinds of SFX and it'll adjust depends on the game's situation especially when the scores don't have huge gap in last quarter.

i'll admit, when i first read about this stuff, that's what came to mind---repetitive/boring effects like playstation and dreamcast era madden and nba 2k. but it's not 1999 anymore. CGI and sound effects have come a long way. the scope of spectator activity will be exponentially bigger now.

just watch this reel and tell me you aren't impressed: https://www.themill.com/stories/our-cg-crowds-reel-is-here/

This is really impressive! It looks real, I'm not really against the idea even though I know players can still play without it but there's nothing wrong trying it, they just want to bring back the energy the audience brings with them, watching with the audience feels different right. And yup, is there a way that this CGI audiences will react according to the situation of the game? Its better cause if the audience react opposite to the situation, it can create awkwardness, imagine audience shouting with a player injured, crucial fouls and plays, etc.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on July 03, 2020, 10:13:57 AM

It's the same feeling when you're playing NBA 2k on PlayStation.

But if the SFX of virtual fans and crowd noise is just repetitive, it will become boring. I hope there are different kinds of SFX and it'll adjust depends on the game's situation especially when the scores don't have huge gap in last quarter.

i'll admit, when i first read about this stuff, that's what came to mind---repetitive/boring effects like playstation and dreamcast era madden and nba 2k. but it's not 1999 anymore. CGI and sound effects have come a long way. the scope of spectator activity will be exponentially bigger now.

just watch this reel and tell me you aren't impressed: https://www.themill.com/stories/our-cg-crowds-reel-is-here/

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Quote from: chaser15 on June 30, 2020, 10:47:39 PM

Quote from: michellee on June 30, 2020, 10:04:56 PM

The audience's presence can bring their motivation back to the stadium, so they will rise and try to survive and even try to win.

Professional players are already playing against the pressure to win for "many many many years"!

How come they will struggle to be motivated just because of no audience? They already know that as part of the new normal so adjustment is already made which is easy and not that difficult to overcome.

If these players can't play well because of no audience then the team's management is just totally wasting money on their salary.

Very well said! Players can actually adapt anything , its just a matter of psychological issue when in talks of no audience kind of games that they would play on which wont really be hard imho for them to do so.
They cant just degrade out their performance just because theres no audience? It wont really be that a valid reason and in talks of about pressure then they are already get use to it same as you said.
Its odd to play on a crowdless gymnasium when you do play but since we are already on a new normal thing then players do need to deal with it and continue the business as usual.

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I really look forward to at least some changes! Today I watched the Juventus-Torino football match, Ronaldo scored a magnificent goal from the free kick and if it was a match under normal conditions, we would have seen the stadium’s great emotions and a wonderful celebration of this goal... but in reality, everything went as if it was an ordinary training. Even the emotions of teammates and commentators have not changed anything Undecided

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Quote from: vycl87 on May 18, 2020, 05:17:45 AM

I'm not sure how much this kind of virtual stuff can reflect the truth.
Instead of sound shows, there are hologram applications that are tried and successful in some stadiums. Can the ones that are in the fan image be designed? Or I'm not sure if it can be presented as a continuous show throughout the match.

For example;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOPyalS1Hsw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5hQpRbHERg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQKl4LMu99c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGU51hQSJP8

wow This must be cool right?having a hologram audience with sounds is really attracted and no wonder this will lure many viewers and Bettors also if FOX extend their legacy putting Hologram in their effort.

How many of us had watched this videos?and also in Tupac's memory concert as the organizer use the same.

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Quote from: blockman on July 04, 2020, 08:25:38 AM

Quote from: Lanatsa on July 02, 2020, 05:32:54 PM

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It is no harm and it's for the good of the event and also for the fans and supporters. They have found a solution to continue the broadcast, the matches and as well as the viewing of the audiences.
We can't ask for more but to adopt this temporarily and when things back to the way it used to be, then fans can rush to buy their own tickets when there's no more a virus threat.

We dont really have any options but to deal up with this new normal even though you dont like to have these virtual fans then
you would need to deal with it since the management do integrate such thing to the game.

Yeah this is for the good of the event where people can still feel of the sound of the crowd even though this is on virtual side
but its better rather than having nothing at all.

We should still appreciate such move.

Someone who don't like the idea of virtual fans doesn't appreciate the efforts of these people who are working behind to make these events happen. And also, you don't really understand how hard the world is dealing with this covid19 pandemic. People who are pushy and never understand the positive that these changes bring, I don't know what's on your mind guys. Just deal with it and be thankful that there will be broadcast and they are no longer replays.

They are doing a nice initiative since they don't have a crowd to cheer them up and listening to those virtual cheers are also a confident booster for the player, I understand there are people doesn't like it but as of now they don't have a choice and the game will be more boring if there's no something like that putted on the game. And I'm really thankful for that since even if there's pandemic we can still see them resume the games and that is a good sign for the sports industry.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on July 02, 2020, 05:32:54 PM

Quote from: blockman on July 02, 2020, 10:03:12 AM

It is no harm and it's for the good of the event and also for the fans and supporters. They have found a solution to continue the broadcast, the matches and as well as the viewing of the audiences.
We can't ask for more but to adopt this temporarily and when things back to the way it used to be, then fans can rush to buy their own tickets when there's no more a virus threat.

We dont really have any options but to deal up with this new normal even though you dont like to have these virtual fans then
you would need to deal with it since the management do integrate such thing to the game.

Yeah this is for the good of the event where people can still feel of the sound of the crowd even though this is on virtual side
but its better rather than having nothing at all.

We should still appreciate such move.

Someone who don't like the idea of virtual fans doesn't appreciate the efforts of these people who are working behind to make these events happen. And also, you don't really understand how hard the world is dealing with this covid19 pandemic. People who are pushy and never understand the positive that these changes bring, I don't know what's on your mind guys. Just deal with it and be thankful that there will be broadcast and they are no longer replays.

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Well, it may be weird at all and strange to be done because it is not really usual at all.
However, it is better than never, better than no sport again during this pandemic. The Fox may have thought about the negative sides of this way, holding the sports by still following the health protocol during this pandemic. There is no audience directly, but only broadcasting the sport live.
It is no matter for the shake of good things for all sides, for the industry, players, parties, and also for the audiences. It is better than forcing there are audiences and will make the spreading of the virus worse, isn't it?

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I totally agree with you. Over the last week I watched several football matches and I can notice that without the noise of the stadium, the game looks very pale (even when top clubs play). Even playing on the console looks more exciting and atmospheric than matches with empty stands, so I support these measures.

I really can't imagine sports events without the fans, the cheering, and the energy they bring to the field. So for me, it's ok for them to add those noises though what I want is not the artificial noises you hear in youtube videos but rather all the combines noises of virtual people or people watching from their computers on the internet. It's good for the players to hear that they are hearing real voices from real people and not just pre-recorded ones.

I just imagined this picture: a fan in front of his TV at home screaming into a microphone. And this sound (like many others) is transmitted to the speakers in the stadium. This is some kind of anti-utopian cyberpunk Grin

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Quote from: iTradeChips on July 03, 2020, 09:59:16 AM

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Quote from: harizen on June 30, 2020, 05:26:05 PM

People are not that dumb. Obviously, they know it's virtual. Do you really think it will lead to "fake feelings" as you mentioned lol?

It's just that they want to add some spice in the new normal scene.

I don't see anything wrong with that. Let them just do what they want to add entertainment to household viewers.

I totally agree with you. Over the last week I watched several football matches and I can notice that without the noise of the stadium, the game looks very pale (even when top clubs play). Even playing on the console looks more exciting and atmospheric than matches with empty stands, so I support these measures.

I really can't imagine sports events without the fans, the cheering, and the energy they bring to the field. So for me, it's ok for them to add those noises though what I want is not the artificial noises you hear in youtube videos but rather all the combines noises of virtual people or people watching from their computers on the internet. It's good for the players to hear that they are hearing real voices from real people and not just pre-recorded ones.

It's the same feeling when you're playing NBA 2k on PlayStation.

But if the SFX of virtual fans and crowd noise is just repetitive, it will become boring. I hope there are different kinds of SFX and it'll adjust depends on the game's situation especially when the scores don't have huge gap in last quarter. Athletes really need motivation on playing and the fans are one of it so it'll be a great help not only to watchers in TV and online but to players also.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 02, 2020, 06:04:44 PM

Quote from: harizen on June 30, 2020, 05:26:05 PM

People are not that dumb. Obviously, they know it's virtual. Do you really think it will lead to "fake feelings" as you mentioned lol?

It's just that they want to add some spice in the new normal scene.

I don't see anything wrong with that. Let them just do what they want to add entertainment to household viewers.

I totally agree with you. Over the last week I watched several football matches and I can notice that without the noise of the stadium, the game looks very pale (even when top clubs play). Even playing on the console looks more exciting and atmospheric than matches with empty stands, so I support these measures.

I really can't imagine sports events without the fans, the cheering, and the energy they bring to the field. So for me, it's ok for them to add those noises though what I want is not the artificial noises you hear in youtube videos but rather all the combines noises of virtual people or people watching from their computers on the internet. It's good for the players to hear that they are hearing real voices from real people and not just pre-recorded ones.

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