FOX prepared to add virtual fans and crowd noise to NFL broadcasts - page 6.

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Noise during a match it's like a "must" to have in tv show/live show.
If some of you have already see a live match in a stadium, there is not only the match to see but also listening the chorus, people that scream, players etc etc etc. So it could be and idea add this during broadcast hopefully this will not be the same as Vuvuzela Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkKISn-DvQ sound Roll Eyes

[During 2010 Fifa World Cup there was this annoying sound in any match and there was a discussion about how to cover this during live show...]

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Of course Live fans cannot be covered ,though this is a big help for the online watcher since the game is really boring without cheering from the fans.

Quote from: verita1 on May 20, 2020, 02:28:08 AM

This idea of virtual fans could be so that the broadcasts could be animated. Because we already know that fans add joy and excitement to sporting events. They are experimenting to see how things turn out is what I believe.

because they have no choice but to add noise or else there will be viewers coming,and besides with our generation now there are no impossible to be done so lets see how it works and will this be entertained people.

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The quote in your post sounds abit like the poster wants "artificial reality" for fans(without their consent?). I wonder who the poster wants that to be made for: the players, viewers or both? In my opinion, it'd better to let the viewers (and even players) know that what they are "getting stimulated with" are not real or something, so they don't feel decieved if they find out. Or just get the real things come and safely watch matches, why not?

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I looked at the article "2020 NFL Draft: Virtual fan engagement", which is all about how "virtual fans" can be integrated in the draftings. There are some actions taken which I would love to see during the games, too:

"watch-a-long" transmissions of the games in large zoom rooms, so that the emotions of other fans can be heard and seen. We had such a meeting with a lot of fans at the bitcoin halving, was fun to watch.
Live feeds via virtual rooms of NFL personalities or even celebrity fans, who additionally comment on the events on the field:

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The NFL recognized the opportunity to drive virtual fan engagement by supplementing its coverage with live analysis and reaction from celebrity fans and NFL personalities.

The league is hosting a live draft-a-thon every day for the duration of the draft. The draft-a-thon is broadcast to YouTube and the NFL website in conjunction with the draft, aiming to drive donations for COVID-19 relief efforts in the US.

I am curious whether there will be similar approaches during the live broadcasts of the games. The concept could easily be adopted for other sports (from Formula 1 to football) and improve the experience of the spectators during the games. I have to admit, watching ghost games on TV is much more unexciting than I thought, one is distracted much faster and loses interest much faster, even when the favourite club is playing.

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This idea of virtual fans could be so that the broadcasts could be animated. Because we already know that fans add joy and excitement to sporting events. They are experimenting to see how things turn out is what I believe.

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The plan is honestly good and actually no harm at all if it will be implemented. Well, really expect that kind of new changes at some sports leagues as we are now entering a new normal until the virus is here and freely roaming around the globe. If they can do it, then good.

“It would be different for sure if we had to play the game with no fans,” Cox said. “I think at the same time, we have to understand that health is a priority. And we have to look at our health. If we have to have to play games without fans, it’ll be something to get used to.”

The statement actually makes sense.

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Wait? Is it there actual fans and crowd noise on NFL games? Cheesy

I don't follow American football, but at least in NBA there is almost no atmosphere - people just watch games or eat instead of cheering for their team.
I watched some South Korean football league games where they play recorded sounds from fans. It doesn't sounds as bad as I expected, but I don't think it's really needed. Yes, it's weird and difficult to watch football in empty stadiums, when you can hear players and managers talking. But it's current reality and we have to accept that.

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It's yay man. As a fan but as long as you've get to watch the game, that's the most important thing that's taking in action. Crowds and fans, although the tension and cheers that we've got to hear while being there gets intense things have changed because we're in the pandemic.

That's the solution for sporting events and at least we've got to hear those virtual noises made probably from earlier matches recorded. It looks odd and you may not like it but you don't have to like it, just cheer at your homes, think that you are in the crowd while relaxing as you watch.

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Quote from: xxjumperxx on May 18, 2020, 04:48:46 AM

So I have read this over the last couple of days and wanted to maybe get a discussion going if you think this would make the broadcast more interesting?

I have watched the german Bundesliga over the weekend without fans and it just seems weird... no fans, no crowd noises.
Takes away the atmosphere and makes the game almost seem a bit dull.

Of course the noise would only be in the broadcast and not in an empty stadium.

We can just only see how interesting it is after we can watch some of the games that will be applied by these effects and gestures for the first time.

But for me, I will not have a negative reaction no matter how good or worst the effort They just want to add some things to somehow feel the previous normal.

This is good actually that we can now see some plans for a comeback. Slowly getting into business to save the sports economy.

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Quote from: vycl87 on May 18, 2020, 09:59:02 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 18, 2020, 09:45:01 AM

I think in this pandemic, we should be familiar with the event that might re-schedule. The event will not have an audience, fans, and there will be no noise as we have seen before. I think that is the way that they should do to prevent the spreading of the virus if the situations are not back to normal again. As long as people can be safe from the virus, I think the event can go on without any noise. At least we can watch the event from our home with our family.

I think that it is temporary to play without spectators. Even if the disease is not vaccinated, treatment methods will be revealed soon. When normalization begins, normalization will begin in sports competitions as in everything. At this point we have reached today, the first steps have already been taken in the name of normalization. We had nice matches in Bundesliga last weekend. I hope we will have a chance to watch more games with June.

Maybe. I really hope that the normalization will begin in many countries so we will see everything will start to be fine. But I think that everything will have a different look than before because of this pandemic. And we will adapt to the current situations so we can still survive in any conditions. I heard that many things would happen in June, and maybe the normalization will start in June too.

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Quote from: 20kevin20 on May 18, 2020, 09:35:04 AM

Quote from: ene1980 on May 18, 2020, 06:10:41 AM

It is not that weird to play in an empty stadium but if you add noise with the use of speakers then it will be pretty weird. I hate to say this, but i never expected we would see fake reactions but now the broadcasters wanted to add the crowd noise to add the flavor. I would like to hear the real conversation of the players rather than some fake reactions and with an empty stadium you could clearly hear what the players talk and a good commentary will sort the problem.

Players are used to hear crowd noise all the time in the middle of matches. I don't think they pay attention too much to it, but it's something they'll certainly feel is missing once they play alone, with nobody on the stadium besides the teams.

Think of how it'd be to go and see a FIFA match live and you'd be the only fan there, all the other seats being silent and empty. Would feel very weird, wouldn't it? That noise is specific to these matches Cheesy

The ambiance would really be entirely different when in talks of crowd noise and into these kind of events, players are get used to this kind of noise and when they do play on an empty stadium
then they would really tell the difference.This do adds up some sort of motivation into their plays since they do know that lots of people watching them and to this new normal where
everything would be done remotely then they will surely miss it up and would really need adjustment due to this current situation.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on May 18, 2020, 06:26:53 AM

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Of course, the sounds would not be heard in the stadium but would only be played during the TV broadcast Wink

You can roughly compare this to the clapping and laughing you hear on shows like BigBangTheory.

When i used to watch WWE they usually used to add fake reactions inside the stadium and they usually edit the audience from other shows if they had empty space in the arena. It would be weird if they add audience from the past matches and edit as well as old chanting Cheesy

. Thinking about the situation is really odd, let me watch the match and then make a decision. In UFC it was a different experience without audience as you could hear every punch thrown.

Quote from: Lakai01 on May 18, 2020, 06:26:53 AM

if one prefers a silent stadium you could switch off the volume anyways.

It would be great to hear the commentary but hopefully not the fake chanting Cheesy

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Quote from: 20kevin20 on May 18, 2020, 09:35:04 AM

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Players are used to hear crowd noise all the time in the middle of matches. I don't think they pay attention too much to it, but it's something they'll certainly feel is missing once they play alone, with nobody on the stadium besides the teams.

Think of how it'd be to go and see a FIFA match live and you'd be the only fan there, all the other seats being silent and empty. Would feel very weird, wouldn't it? That noise is specific to these matches Cheesy

Definitely the players will miss the crowd, think about all the over the top reactions and celebrations after scoring a goal and if there are no audience then it will look odd Cheesy

. I prefer sporting events without an audience than not having anything at all.

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Quote from: dothebeats on May 18, 2020, 01:50:56 PM

I'm pretty sure there exists a technology wherein they can make it look like the stadium is fully-packed and emulate the noises done by those same fans. Just to make the game a little bit homey and not deserted and desolated as it would turn out if they'd just show the players playing it out. Sure, it will not be the same as the original NFL games but at the least it gets the gears going by providing an atmosphere that fans at home are familiar with.

It's better than giving out tickets to fans and letting them contract the virus and possibly cause a chain reaction of disease transmission.

I doubt they're going to add virtual fans for players to also see on the stadium so it's probably a quite easy job to do this using CGI. Place a little QR code or something (just an example - things may be even easier than that) on each seat and make them all turn into virtual fans when recorded live.

Fans watching those events don't spend that much of their time looking at spectators only. As soon as there is at least a partial feeling that the stadium is filled up, it's fine. But empty seats would make it odd and look like a rehearsal Grin

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Quote from: dothebeats on May 18, 2020, 01:50:56 PM

I'm pretty sure there exists a technology wherein they can make it look like the stadium is fully-packed and emulate the noises done by those same fans.

The technology certainly exists, yes. The comparison is a bit misleading, but if you look at how well the fans are animated at current FIFA games and how good the atmosphere is, I assume that this is also possible for TV broadcasts.

But the art is to create the right fan scenery at the right time (goal celebration, indignation with red cards, ...). This is relatively easy with computer games, but I imagine it to be much more difficult with TV broadcasts. So I don't assume - especially because of the short preparation time - that we will see something similar here, but "only" cheers etc.

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I'm pretty sure there exists a technology wherein they can make it look like the stadium is fully-packed and emulate the noises done by those same fans. Just to make the game a little bit homey and not deserted and desolated as it would turn out if they'd just show the players playing it out. Sure, it will not be the same as the original NFL games but at the least it gets the gears going by providing an atmosphere that fans at home are familiar with.

It's better than giving out tickets to fans and letting them contract the virus and possibly cause a chain reaction of disease transmission.

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Quote from: South Park on May 18, 2020, 12:34:12 PM

Quote from: xxjumperxx on May 18, 2020, 04:48:46 AM

So I have read this over the last couple of days and wanted to maybe get a discussion going if you think this would make the broadcast more interesting?

I have watched the german Bundesliga over the weekend without fans and it just seems weird... no fans, no crowd noises.
Takes away the atmosphere and makes the game almost seem a bit dull.

Of course the noise would only be in the broadcast and not in an empty stadium.

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It’s pretty much a done deal. I think whoever’s gonna be at that control is going to have to be very good at their job and be realistic with how a crowd would react depending on what just happened on the field. It’s really important. And then on top of that, they’re looking at putting virtual fans in the stands, so when you look at a wide shot, it looks like the stadium is jam-packed, and in fact, it’ll be empty.

So this is pretty much a done deal.

What do you think?
Yay or Nay?

Source: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-fox-crowd-noise-covid-19-coronavirus

This is definitely a very interesting proposal, over the several decades that I have watched sports I have seen many matches without public in attendance and without a doubt the atmosphere is lost, but this is a very rare occurrence and doesn't last long, however we are facing the very real possibility that when we finally get sports back in action most of them are going to be without any public so I find this measure very interesting and I think it is a step in the right direction.

@xxjumperxx I’ll second that as for the entire duration of the match it felt to me like my television was on mute mode, and furthermore it definitely felt weird to watch the match without the fans noise. Also I have one question what happens if the person controlling it is a fan of one team, and hates the other team won’t this mess up the experience of the fans who’re watching it from home?.

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Quote from: xxjumperxx on May 18, 2020, 04:48:46 AM

So I have read this over the last couple of days and wanted to maybe get a discussion going if you think this would make the broadcast more interesting?

I have watched the german Bundesliga over the weekend without fans and it just seems weird... no fans, no crowd noises.
Takes away the atmosphere and makes the game almost seem a bit dull.

Of course the noise would only be in the broadcast and not in an empty stadium.

I quote:

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It’s pretty much a done deal. I think whoever’s gonna be at that control is going to have to be very good at their job and be realistic with how a crowd would react depending on what just happened on the field. It’s really important. And then on top of that, they’re looking at putting virtual fans in the stands, so when you look at a wide shot, it looks like the stadium is jam-packed, and in fact, it’ll be empty.

So this is pretty much a done deal.

What do you think?
Yay or Nay?

Source: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-fox-crowd-noise-covid-19-coronavirus

This is definitely a very interesting proposal, over the several decades that I have watched sports I have seen many matches without public in attendance and without a doubt the atmosphere is lost, but this is a very rare occurrence and doesn't last long, however we are facing the very real possibility that when we finally get sports back in action most of them are going to be without any public so I find this measure very interesting and I think it is a step in the right direction.

Quote from: tokeweed on May 18, 2020, 08:19:36 AM

Hah! Just posted about something like this at the EPL thread. Can the virtual people be controlled via app by people who bought 'virtual tickets'..? I think it's something they should be looking into.

That will be awesome but honestly it will be very difficult to pull off successfully.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 18, 2020, 09:45:01 AM

I think in this pandemic, we should be familiar with the event that might re-schedule. The event will not have an audience, fans, and there will be no noise as we have seen before. I think that is the way that they should do to prevent the spreading of the virus if the situations are not back to normal again. As long as people can be safe from the virus, I think the event can go on without any noise. At least we can watch the event from our home with our family.

I think that it is temporary to play without spectators. Even if the disease is not vaccinated, treatment methods will be revealed soon. When normalization begins, normalization will begin in sports competitions as in everything. At this point we have reached today, the first steps have already been taken in the name of normalization. We had nice matches in Bundesliga last weekend. I hope we will have a chance to watch more games with June.

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I think in this pandemic, we should be familiar with the event that might re-schedule. The event will not have an audience, fans, and there will be no noise as we have seen before. I think that is the way that they should do to prevent the spreading of the virus if the situations are not back to normal again. As long as people can be safe from the virus, I think the event can go on without any noise. At least we can watch the event from our home with our family.

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Why not though? There has been a lot of adjustments with this covid-19 that really messed up everything, including sports fans. But this is better than nothing, and we all know that this is fake, it will be very odd and different at the beginning, but I'm sure everyone will adjust and it can improved overtime.

Quote from: tokeweed on May 18, 2020, 08:19:36 AM

Hah! Just posted about something like this at the EPL thread. Can the virtual people be controlled via app by people who bought 'virtual tickets'..? I think it's something they should be looking into.

This could be one good idea if implemented properly. So let's see how it goes, we are shock by the virus itself, but people are so resilient that this whole virtual fans and crowd noise will be the "new norm" while we are still in the pandemic.

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