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Quote from: bitbunnny on June 25, 2020, 07:16:53 AM

Seems that new reality has come and I don't like it.
This might be temporary solution, yes, but sport events and matches without fans and audience make no sense. I don't think that sport players are happy with virtual fans.

It ain't about personal feelings or what, they may not like it but I think it is necessary to make the game somehow alive. It is kind of dead to watch games without crowd though, might be no sense but it is far away better than having nothing. Besides it is the only compelling solution for such problem so far Grin

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It's really one of the downsides of this pandemic that we really have to deal with and adjust almost on everything. I wonder how long should we live like this?

Won't be that long if vaccines have been introduced to the market now Wink

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It's not a bad idea since fans were all used with loud cheering and crowds during games. They can maximize the use of technology with these virtual fans. Also, it's understandable that fans will have a hard time adjusting to watching games without the crowd noise so it may be a good idea as an alternative. It would be better if those cheering will fit on what's happening in the game. I mean if it's a live game, it will be hard to adjust the noise. Fans can decide if it's good or not maybe after trying including the virtual crowd.

It's really one of the downsides of this pandemic that we really have to deal with and adjust almost on everything. I wonder how long should we live like this?

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 25, 2020, 06:01:55 AM

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In my opinion, that can make the players feel confused and can not focus on the games.
Instead of using virtual fans in the stands, the sports events promoter needs to think about how the game can run without any problem, and they should think about taking care of the player, the staff, and themselves.
So that will be not for this time, but maybe in the future, if the situations are not like this, the sports event can invite the audience with a limited number.
I think that will better in these situations so that the player can stay focus on the game without worry with the audience.

As a temporary replacement it might work for a while, but in the long process promoters and organizations who are handling each events should think for much better ideas, they can't risk the lives of people but with better and responsible protocols they can allow half of the fans to attend implementing all the safety measures that the government are requiring them.
It's still best if you are hearing real people cheering the teams and not just devices that produce fake actions,.

Seems that new reality has come and I don't like it.
This might be temporary solution, yes, but sport events and matches without fans and audience make no sense. I don't think that sport players are happy with virtual fans.
I know that some safety measures must be implemented because of pandemic but still we need to continue living somehow and if everything becomes virtual and on the screen only that isn't a good direction.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 25, 2020, 06:01:55 AM

Quote from: traderethereum on June 25, 2020, 01:08:21 AM

In my opinion, that can make the players feel confused and can not focus on the games.
Instead of using virtual fans in the stands, the sports events promoter needs to think about how the game can run without any problem, and they should think about taking care of the player, the staff, and themselves.
So that will be not for this time, but maybe in the future, if the situations are not like this, the sports event can invite the audience with a limited number.
I think that will better in these situations so that the player can stay focus on the game without worry with the audience.

As a temporary replacement it might work for a while, but in the long process promoters and organizations who are handling each events should think for much better ideas, they can't risk the lives of people but with better and responsible protocols they can allow half of the fans to attend implementing all the safety measures that the government are requiring them.
It's still best if you are hearing real people cheering the teams and not just devices that produce fake actions,.

I don't think it will work even on the first try. the crowd noise itself is not the one that boosts the player's morale it is the presence of the crowd that supports them through the game.

Quote from: Fredomago on June 25, 2020, 06:01:55 AM

but in the long process promoters and organizations who are handling each events should think for much better ideas, they can't risk the lives of people but with better and responsible protocols they can allow half of the fans to attend implementing all the safety measures that the government are requiring them.

the problem I see here is not the promoter or organizers preparing enough guidelines or protocols but the audience who will watch the game. we know that there are a lot of entitled people who thinks that rules doesn't apply to them and doesn't care if they endangered someone else's lives. if it was up to me I'd cancel the game until a vaccine is discovered.

Quote from: Fredomago on June 25, 2020, 06:01:55 AM

It's still best if you are hearing real people cheering the teams and not just devices that produce fake actions,.

I agree!

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Quote from: traderethereum on June 25, 2020, 01:08:21 AM

In my opinion, that can make the players feel confused and can not focus on the games.
Instead of using virtual fans in the stands, the sports events promoter needs to think about how the game can run without any problem, and they should think about taking care of the player, the staff, and themselves.
So that will be not for this time, but maybe in the future, if the situations are not like this, the sports event can invite the audience with a limited number.
I think that will better in these situations so that the player can stay focus on the game without worry with the audience.

As a temporary replacement it might work for a while, but in the long process promoters and organizations who are handling each events should think for much better ideas, they can't risk the lives of people but with better and responsible protocols they can allow half of the fans to attend implementing all the safety measures that the government are requiring them.
It's still best if you are hearing real people cheering the teams and not just devices that produce fake actions,.

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Quote from: spike420211 on June 19, 2020, 04:59:30 AM

Such an approach will increase the entertainment degree from watching games, but it will all be a fiction.
Today we will watch football with virtual fans, and tomorrow the players themselves may become virtual.

I don’t know whether this is good or bad, but I prefer to see things as they are.
If the world has changed, then we need to learn to live in it and adapt, and not try to cling to the old foundations.

There is really nothing old fashion about going outside once in awhile with your community and family members to socialize, compete or exercise together in the right/proper way... It's actually a good thing. It's also a good thing to gather safely and be entertained by competiting people or teams in good/safe games or sports.
Hopefully this and other similar stuff don't lead to people getting forced to live fake reality disguised as the Real Things in the name of safety/peace even when there are good/safe alternatives that don't rely on the restriction of people in extreme manner.

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In my opinion, that can make the players feel confused and can not focus on the games.
Instead of using virtual fans in the stands, the sports events promoter needs to think about how the game can run without any problem, and they should think about taking care of the player, the staff, and themselves.
So that will be not for this time, but maybe in the future, if the situations are not like this, the sports event can invite the audience with a limited number.
I think that will better in these situations so that the player can stay focus on the game without worry with the audience.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on June 19, 2020, 05:51:45 AM

I haven't seen the game with the artificial fan chants, but I can well imagine that it has the same effect there as well. You can see that already when you play FIFA on the XBox. The games are only half as thrilling when you turn off the sound, the fan chants contribute a lot to the fact that you have more fun.

They could probably sell some devices to the real fans and let them chant live from their homes while playing those sound on the stadium. Or say make the reception on both sides while the viewers enjoy the footage and sound with close angle camera from their TV, the players would enjoy the chants are cries of real fans according to their moves.

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Quote from: shoreno on June 19, 2020, 05:45:10 AM

this doesnt increase the entertainment degree because all we can hear is fake sounds and not the sound from a real person

In fact it increases the entertainment degree noticeably. Countless studies have been carried out, especially regarding the artificial laughter in various sitcoms (the so-called laugh tracks). These studies conclude that the viewer is much better entertained when an artificial atmosphere is created in which he or she feels comfortable:

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But no matter your opinion of the canned ha-ha's, shows continue to use them because they work! They're meant to make the audience at home feel like they're part of a bigger crowd sitting in a movie theater or at a comedy club.

"We're much more likely to laugh at something funny in the presence of other people," says Bill Kelley, a psychology professor at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H, who has studied the brain's response to humor. Hearing others laugh -- even if it's prerecorded -- can encourage us to chuckle and enjoy ourselves more.

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I haven't seen the game with the artificial fan chants, but I can well imagine that it has the same effect there as well. You can see that already when you play FIFA on the XBox. The games are only half as thrilling when you turn off the sound, the fan chants contribute a lot to the fact that you have more fun.

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Quote from: spike420211 on June 19, 2020, 04:59:30 AM

Such an approach will increase the entertainment degree from watching games, but it will all be a fiction.
Today we will watch football with virtual fans, and tomorrow the players themselves may become virtual.

I don’t know whether this is good or bad, but I prefer to see things as they are.
If the world has changed, then we need to learn to live in it and adapt, and not try to cling to the old foundations.

this doesnt increase the entertainment degree because all we can hear is fake sounds and not the sound from a real person but people are already contented about it than nothing at all , atleast games are being resumed .

its possible that they can also replace the player from real to virtual , like what we saw on online gambling but nothing beats the real life gambling/sports.

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Such an approach will increase the entertainment degree from watching games, but it will all be a fiction.
Today we will watch football with virtual fans, and tomorrow the players themselves may become virtual.

I don’t know whether this is good or bad, but I prefer to see things as they are.
If the world has changed, then we need to learn to live in it and adapt, and not try to cling to the old foundations.

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 19, 2020, 03:12:37 AM

It happens really! Not in FOX Channel but this time has been done by Italian television (public service) Rai1 !

However it seems that this is not the best solution for a live streaming match, at least according the opinion of Aldo Grasso, a famous Italian journalist specialized in tv shows.

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Football without spectators cannot exist. And the flags with which the Olympic Stadium filled yesterday aroused the embarrassing effect of the Playstation

https://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/20_giugno_18/napoli-juve-stadio-vuoto-triste-ma-se-pubblico-virtuale-diventa-parodia-e83464cc-b132-11ea-842e-6a88f68d3e0a.shtml

It shouldn't be happening without the consent of the viewers, like I stated before. It's based on deception if don't quickly remind them you are doing that for their own good or something. Hope the viewers were told and reminded though

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It happens really! Not in FOX Channel but this time has been done by Italian television (public service) Rai1 !

However it seems that this is not the best solution for a live streaming match, at least according the opinion of Aldo Grasso, a famous Italian journalist specialized in tv shows.

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Football without spectators cannot exist. And the flags with which the Olympic Stadium filled yesterday aroused the embarrassing effect of the Playstation

https://www.corriere.it/spettacoli/20_giugno_18/napoli-juve-stadio-vuoto-triste-ma-se-pubblico-virtuale-diventa-parodia-e83464cc-b132-11ea-842e-6a88f68d3e0a.shtml

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Quote from: onrise on May 25, 2020, 12:51:11 AM

Quote from: michellee on May 25, 2020, 12:30:13 AM

I never go to the stadium, but I heard that the experience is exciting, and makes people forget about everything and only focus on watching the match. But in this pandemic, maybe we will miss that "sound" surrounding the stadium because I think the event will use social distancing to prevent the virus spreads. But I think that event without the audience will be temporary, and after the pandemic is gone, everything will be normal again. Maybe we will see a new normalisation that will happen in all countries.

Live audience is something that motivates many players and their best comes out more when players see them cheering the team and players. We are going through some tough time and the decision of having the virtual fans and crowd noise is really good idea and for the time being it is going to work and also will boost players to some extent rather than having nothing.

With the audience, the players will give their best performance to them as the players don't want to disappoint them. But I think with the virtual fans, that will provide something different to them, and maybe with the virtual fans, the players will still give the best performance as they know that their supporters will still support them. But still, the feels will be different if the supporters don't watch their performance in the stadium.

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Quote from: michellee on May 25, 2020, 12:30:13 AM

Quote from: bitbollo on May 20, 2020, 05:57:55 AM

Noise during a match it's like a "must" to have in tv show/live show.
If some of you have already see a live match in a stadium, there is not only the match to see but also listening the chorus, people that scream, players etc etc etc. So it could be and idea add this during broadcast hopefully this will not be the same as Vuvuzela Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkKISn-DvQ sound Roll Eyes

[During 2010 Fifa World Cup there was this annoying sound in any match and there was a discussion about how to cover this during live show...]

I never go to the stadium, but I heard that the experience is exciting, and makes people forget about everything and only focus on watching the match. But in this pandemic, maybe we will miss that "sound" surrounding the stadium because I think the event will use social distancing to prevent the virus spreads. But I think that event without the audience will be temporary, and after the pandemic is gone, everything will be normal again. Maybe we will see a new normalisation that will happen in all countries.

Live audience is something that motivates many players and their best comes out more when players see them cheering the team and players. We are going through some tough time and the decision of having the virtual fans and crowd noise is really good idea and for the time being it is going to work and also will boost players to some extent rather than having nothing.

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Quote from: xxjumperxx on May 18, 2020, 03:48:46 AM

So I have read this over the last couple of days and wanted to maybe get a discussion going if you think this would make the broadcast more interesting?

I have watched the german Bundesliga over the weekend without fans and it just seems weird... no fans, no crowd noises.
Takes away the atmosphere and makes the game almost seem a bit dull.

Of course the noise would only be in the broadcast and not in an empty stadium.

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It’s pretty much a done deal. I think whoever’s gonna be at that control is going to have to be very good at their job and be realistic with how a crowd would react depending on what just happened on the field. It’s really important. And then on top of that, they’re looking at putting virtual fans in the stands, so when you look at a wide shot, it looks like the stadium is jam-packed, and in fact, it’ll be empty.

So this is pretty much a done deal.

What do you think?
Yay or Nay?

Source: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/nfl-fox-crowd-noise-covid-19-coronavirus

This is the only way to add income to sustain the operation of each sports that will be conducted this pandemic,adding Virtual
fans will attract online viewers to enjoy their watching because it is kinda bored when they are just watching the action but
there are no response from the fans(though this is artificial only)

Quote from: LTU_btc on May 19, 2020, 03:36:42 PM

Wait? Is it there actual fans and crowd noise on NFL games? Cheesy

I don't follow American football, but at least in NBA there is almost no atmosphere - people just watch games or eat instead of cheering for their team.
I watched some South Korean football league games where they play recorded sounds from fans. It doesn't sounds as bad as I expected, but I don't think it's really needed. Yes, it's weird and difficult to watch football in empty stadiums, when you can hear players and managers talking. But it's current reality and we have to accept that.

actually Stadium where the NFL happens are more noisier than NBA games though it is not that noticed because mostly Open
place so the crowds cheering is less sounds compared to basketball that has closed arena so the sound
is compact and noticeable .

i have not been in any NFL games because i'm from asia but watching this over and over as GreenBay Packers and Miami
Dolphins Fan i believe that i understand the game and also needs a artificial sound effect if ever they resume playing this Season.

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Quote from: bitbollo on May 20, 2020, 05:57:55 AM

Noise during a match it's like a "must" to have in tv show/live show.
If some of you have already see a live match in a stadium, there is not only the match to see but also listening the chorus, people that scream, players etc etc etc. So it could be and idea add this during broadcast hopefully this will not be the same as Vuvuzela Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkKISn-DvQ sound Roll Eyes

[During 2010 Fifa World Cup there was this annoying sound in any match and there was a discussion about how to cover this during live show...]

I never go to the stadium, but I heard that the experience is exciting, and makes people forget about everything and only focus on watching the match. But in this pandemic, maybe we will miss that "sound" surrounding the stadium because I think the event will use social distancing to prevent the virus spreads. But I think that event without the audience will be temporary, and after the pandemic is gone, everything will be normal again. Maybe we will see a new normalisation that will happen in all countries.

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Quote from: South Park on May 23, 2020, 12:51:30 PM

It depends on the stadium, there are some NFL stadiums that are nothing more but tourist traps that are very profitable but that do not really have any kind of atmosphere, but there are other stadiums like the CenturyLink field of the Seattle Seahawks and the Arrowhead stadium of the Kansas City Chiefs which are not only really loud but at some point they have held the Guinness World Record for the loudest stadium and as far as I know that record is still in possession of the Arrowhead stadium.

Thanks for explanation. I know about atmosphere in NBA or NHL arenas or MLS stadiums, but I was completely unfamiliar with things on NFL. In NBA it's so bad that I can't even describe it, but in some MLS stadiums atmosphere is actually better than in some stadiums in Europe. Good to hear that there is some loud stadiums in NFL. You know, there is lot of stereotypes about American people who came to sports event to eat and spend their time well instead of supporting their team.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on May 19, 2020, 03:36:42 PM

Wait? Is it there actual fans and crowd noise on NFL games? Cheesy

I don't follow American football, but at least in NBA there is almost no atmosphere - people just watch games or eat instead of cheering for their team.
I watched some South Korean football league games where they play recorded sounds from fans. It doesn't sounds as bad as I expected, but I don't think it's really needed. Yes, it's weird and difficult to watch football in empty stadiums, when you can hear players and managers talking. But it's current reality and we have to accept that.

It depends on the stadium, there are some NFL stadiums that are nothing more but tourist traps that are very profitable but that do not really have any kind of atmosphere, but there are other stadiums like the CenturyLink field of the Seattle Seahawks and the Arrowhead stadium of the Kansas City Chiefs which are not only really loud but at some point they have held the Guinness World Record for the loudest stadium and as far as I know that record is still in possession of the Arrowhead stadium.

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thats good that you confirm if the sound is done on an actual ring or not . it would be weird if we see an empty stadium but with people shouting .

i can imagine if what it will be sound or look like because i already saw/hear one like this on some videos. we all know that they done this for a reason and that is because there are still a covid pandemic going on . so people will just understand this

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