FOX prepared to add virtual fans and crowd noise to NFL broadcasts - page 3.

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Quote from: TrevorS on June 29, 2020, 04:23:37 AM

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I can understand if they’ll introduce it into broadcast matches from TV screens to increase the interest of the audience, but I don’t understand what is the point of introducing this directly into the matches themselves. After all, someone will have to sit and press buttons for various gaming moments, thereby creating artificial noise. Obviously, the AI will not cope with this, which means that the role of the "crowd" will be played by one or a group of people. This is comparable to the artificial applause played from a tape recorder.

I think the sound will be like at the game Soccer, which we can hear the sound of the virtual audience if we can make a goal. That person will have a job to push the buttons for any bad or good moments, but the commentator will still be used to the match. I think the AI is not too necessary because they can record the sound from the game or the other sources. But it will not be as good as the real audience who come and watch the match.

It would be nice to somehow implement the idea when the voice of a person sitting at home was transmitted through a microphone to the stadium, but I'm afraid it is technically too difficult to implement.
I think the biggest work is now assigned to the commentator, because it will be he who will crush the intensity of emotions during the match, which means that the noise of the stands will be adjusted for him.

I don't think it will be easy to use a microphone at home to be transmitted in the stadium because that needs more work to see. Besides that, I can not imagine how it will be if many microphones transmitted at the same time in the stadium. It is better to use the commentator in the stadium, which explains what is happening in the field while we can watch the match at our home.

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Quote from: glowing10 on June 29, 2020, 03:05:18 AM

This is the need of the hour and since maintaining social distance is a must in this times, so we cannot allow the live crowd firstly in full capacity and if board decides to avoid the live audience then this idea of having the virtual fans and crowd noise is really worthwhile. because there are some games which requires the audience cheering up as it encourages the players and team. Also, this could be replicate in many other games for now.

I see the point in creating artificial noise in the broadcasts, because this will increase the enthusiasm of the viewer.

However, what is the point of creating in the field where the players play?
After all, fans have always been considered an additional player for the team.

In the current conditions, it will be necessary to distribute the noise evenly on both teams so that there would not be an advantage in either direction.
But then it’s easier not to make any noise whatsoever for the teams to play on equal terms.
And let the audience have fun as they please.

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I think that holograms are tested from quite some time now.I remembering when they used in the USA many years ago a 2Pac hologram in his honor and people were shocked to see it.I think it is time to put this thing in work in a stadium and I think it can offer some sort of simulation of a real crowd.They just need to add some sounds from Tv channels who are broadcasting the game and that should do it.

Yes I remember seeing that and it was in 2012... so yes there are probably more advanced technologies out now that would make it look even better...

That makes sense and also we can see how far this technology goes. Holograms, I only see them in some sci-fi movies. now if given more days to live, I can finally witness how it will look like if used in the public. If this is the case, then the match will no longer far from being real. The best thing about this pandemic is we can try something that we aren't supposed to do and that's cool.

no we shouldnt give credits to covid because this idea is not new and already been used before .

covid here is still our enemy and people's creativity are still being released without covid . match is already real but only the fans were not because they are restricted but this hologram idea can be our best option just to continue the game online or on national t.v compare to a standard visualization that may look ugly yet .

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Quote from: xxjumperxx on June 29, 2020, 02:50:38 AM

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I think that holograms are tested from quite some time now.I remembering when they used in the USA many years ago a 2Pac hologram in his honor and people were shocked to see it.I think it is time to put this thing in work in a stadium and I think it can offer some sort of simulation of a real crowd.They just need to add some sounds from Tv channels who are broadcasting the game and that should do it.

Yes I remember seeing that and it was in 2012... so yes there are probably more advanced technologies out now that would make it look even better...

That makes sense and also we can see how far this technology goes. Holograms, I only see them in some sci-fi movies. now if given more days to live, I can finally witness how it will look like if used in the public. If this is the case, then the match will no longer far from being real. The best thing about this pandemic is we can try something that we aren't supposed to do and that's cool.

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Quote from: xxjumperxx on June 29, 2020, 02:50:38 AM

Quote from: swogerino on June 29, 2020, 02:36:13 AM

I think that holograms are tested from quite some time now.I remembering when they used in the USA many years ago a 2Pac hologram in his honor and people were shocked to see it.I think it is time to put this thing in work in a stadium and I think it can offer some sort of simulation of a real crowd.They just need to add some sounds from Tv channels who are broadcasting the game and that should do it.

Yes I remember seeing that and it was in 2012... so yes there are probably more advanced technologies out now that would make it look even better...

great idea ,i never thought of this instead what mostly tackle here is about the fake sounds and not adding images like this Hologram.

With the technology we have now?we are from advanced than 2012 when they use this in memory of 2pac.

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Quote from: nutildah on June 29, 2020, 06:19:55 AM

How about this? They let people back into the stadiums by opening day, Thursday, Sept. 10th? That way they can have real crowd noises and don't have to do that artificial B.S. It's still well over 2 months away! Seriously don't understand how much longer this virus has to disrupt everything. Maybe just make the attendees sign waivers that they won't sue if they contract the virus at the stadium.

It can be done, but the event staff needs to check every people who want to watch the match. They need to make sure that people are healthy, and not as a carrier or asymptomatic because that can make other people infected. Maybe they need to discuss with the other staff to invite people but in the limited number of people.

Quote from: nutildah on June 29, 2020, 06:19:55 AM

I would also encourage people to wear face masks and give them away for free with each ticket collected at the entrance, but not make it mandatory. You can't very well eat a hot dog and drink a beer while wearing a mask. Trust me I already tried.

It is a must in these situations, but I am afraid they will not obey that. I think people who don't use a mask will not allow watching in the stadium, which is the consequence for them.

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How about this? They let people back into the stadiums by opening day, Thursday, Sept. 10th? That way they can have real crowd noises and don't have to do that artificial B.S. It's still well over 2 months away! Seriously don't understand how much longer this virus has to disrupt everything. Maybe just make the attendees sign waivers that they won't sue if they contract the virus at the stadium.

I would also encourage people to wear face masks and give them away for free with each ticket collected at the entrance, but not make it mandatory. You can't very well eat a hot dog and drink a beer while wearing a mask. Trust me I already tried.

If worse comes to worse, I have no doubt the NFL will do an excellent job of producing fake crowds and noise. Their production values are top notch. It may be a bit wonky during the first few games as they get the system hammered out, but I could live with it.

Still seems like its taking away from the overall experience of the sport, even as a TV viewer or radio listener :/

Just happy they're not delaying/canceling the season altogether.

Curse this idiotic virus.

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Virtual audience, virtual judges, and with virtual players we would cover everything! This is crazy in my opinion, the need for fake audiences, and purpose is what? Fake public for fake feelings, where are we going with this? I would say better to play on empty stadiums and when this virus passes people will come to stadiums again, there's no need for fake things that will give you fake feelings. But it's me, if I wish virtual public and players I will play PES on Sony.

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Quote from: michellee on June 29, 2020, 02:03:51 AM

Quote from: TrevorS on June 28, 2020, 03:26:27 PM

I can understand if they’ll introduce it into broadcast matches from TV screens to increase the interest of the audience, but I don’t understand what is the point of introducing this directly into the matches themselves. After all, someone will have to sit and press buttons for various gaming moments, thereby creating artificial noise. Obviously, the AI will not cope with this, which means that the role of the "crowd" will be played by one or a group of people. This is comparable to the artificial applause played from a tape recorder.

I think the sound will be like at the game Soccer, which we can hear the sound of the virtual audience if we can make a goal. That person will have a job to push the buttons for any bad or good moments, but the commentator will still be used to the match. I think the AI is not too necessary because they can record the sound from the game or the other sources. But it will not be as good as the real audience who come and watch the match.

It would be nice to somehow implement the idea when the voice of a person sitting at home was transmitted through a microphone to the stadium, but I'm afraid it is technically too difficult to implement.
I think the biggest work is now assigned to the commentator, because it will be he who will crush the intensity of emotions during the match, which means that the noise of the stands will be adjusted for him.

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This is the need of the hour and since maintaining social distance is a must in this times, so we cannot allow the live crowd firstly in full capacity and if board decides to avoid the live audience then this idea of having the virtual fans and crowd noise is really worthwhile. because there are some games which requires the audience cheering up as it encourages the players and team. Also, this could be replicate in many other games for now.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 29, 2020, 02:36:13 AM

I think that holograms are tested from quite some time now.I remembering when they used in the USA many years ago a 2Pac hologram in his honor and people were shocked to see it.I think it is time to put this thing in work in a stadium and I think it can offer some sort of simulation of a real crowd.They just need to add some sounds from Tv channels who are broadcasting the game and that should do it.

Yes I remember seeing that and it was in 2012... so yes there are probably more advanced technologies out now that would make it look even better...

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I think that holograms are tested from quite some time now.I remembering when they used in the USA many years ago a 2Pac hologram in his honor and people were shocked to see it.I think it is time to put this thing in work in a stadium and I think it can offer some sort of simulation of a real crowd.They just need to add some sounds from Tv channels who are broadcasting the game and that should do it.

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This would be the perfect time to test the latest developments in the old tech of holograms. Like what you saw in old movies back when you can watch TV via holograms or you can talk to somebody else using hologram technology. This will be a good time to test those and see if that can supplement the lack of a physical audience. I think the hologram is the least developed of all visual technologies possibly because there is no use in today's society. But I think this will and should now be valued in an era where social distance will regularly be observed.

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Quote from: TrevorS on June 28, 2020, 03:26:27 PM

I can understand if they’ll introduce it into broadcast matches from TV screens to increase the interest of the audience, but I don’t understand what is the point of introducing this directly into the matches themselves. After all, someone will have to sit and press buttons for various gaming moments, thereby creating artificial noise. Obviously, the AI will not cope with this, which means that the role of the "crowd" will be played by one or a group of people. This is comparable to the artificial applause played from a tape recorder.

I think the sound will be like at the game Soccer, which we can hear the sound of the virtual audience if we can make a goal. That person will have a job to push the buttons for any bad or good moments, but the commentator will still be used to the match. I think the AI is not too necessary because they can record the sound from the game or the other sources. But it will not be as good as the real audience who come and watch the match.

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Quote from: btc78 on June 28, 2020, 11:00:03 AM

Though it is frustrating because i love watching game live here in my country yet People must be thankful to FOX because they are giving much effort just to give viewers and fans satisfaction even in this social distancing time.

Imagine how hard to watch Games without even hearing anything.now at least we will enjoy watching our favorite team (with fake cheering) .

Thanks for FOX team for organizing such thing for us.

I watched the german Bundesliga this way and I must say it was kind of interesting to watch it that way.
It was nice to hear team communication, shouting and yelling if things went as planned or not as planned.
I wouldn't want it to be like that forver (obv.) but it sure got me in the game more hearing the players plan and shout as they were playing.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on June 27, 2020, 03:31:26 PM

Quote from: Reid on June 27, 2020, 11:12:17 AM

Is it really happening already? Virtual crowd, sounds, and cheers?
I just can't imagine it yet. Like the sounds while playing NBA2k and Madden?

it's a bit like that, yes. they are already doing the fake crowd noise thing in bundesliga matches. it's not too bad IMO although slightly awkward with the empty stands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrgO0ITWF5Q

here is a CGI crowd reel---this is what virtual fans will look like: https://www.themill.com/stories/our-cg-crowds-reel-is-here/

when the news about this first came out, i thought it would be extremely cheesy, but this actually looks better than i expected.

@figmentofmyass initially I was reluctant to turn on the volume because I wasn’t sure if I would like the artificial fans noise or no, but in the end I decided to give it a try, and honestly I fell in love with it as it made me feel that spectators were there in the stands.

However it seems that not all have warmed up to the Artificial fans noise idea, as Watford boss and commentator Derek Rae are against this idea.

It’s also pertinent to note that player’s in the stadium cannot hear this noise as of now, but for next season I feel they’ll be able to hear it.

Source:

https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/premier-league-crowd-noise-why-how-to-turn-it-on-off-can-players-/1fn9xscokj38t10ssltv3ve7tg

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Quote from: akram143 on June 27, 2020, 08:38:42 AM

It will give some confidence to the players but not the same level as it was when the stadium is filled with the audience.And it needs lot of work and money to bring the same feel as people present in the stadium and all these things have to be done for no profits,then I doubt this kind of module will be implemented on every sport to tackle covid 19.

I can understand if they’ll introduce it into broadcast matches from TV screens to increase the interest of the audience, but I don’t understand what is the point of introducing this directly into the matches themselves. After all, someone will have to sit and press buttons for various gaming moments, thereby creating artificial noise. Obviously, the AI will not cope with this, which means that the role of the "crowd" will be played by one or a group of people. This is comparable to the artificial applause played from a tape recorder.

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Though it is frustrating because i love watching game live here in my country yet People must be thankful to FOX because they are giving much effort just to give viewers and fans satisfaction even in this social distancing time.

Imagine how hard to watch Games without even hearing anything.now at least we will enjoy watching our favorite team (with fake cheering) .

Thanks for FOX team for organizing such thing for us.

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Quote from: Reid on June 27, 2020, 11:12:17 AM

Is it really happening already? Virtual crowd, sounds, and cheers?
I just can't imagine it yet. Like the sounds while playing NBA2k and Madden?

it's a bit like that, yes. they are already doing the fake crowd noise thing in bundesliga matches. it's not too bad IMO although slightly awkward with the empty stands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrgO0ITWF5Q

here is a CGI crowd reel---this is what virtual fans will look like: https://www.themill.com/stories/our-cg-crowds-reel-is-here/

when the news about this first came out, i thought it would be extremely cheesy, but this actually looks better than i expected.

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