Topic: France plane crash: No survivors expected [Condolences to the families] - page 4. (Read 7962 times)

Quote from: johnyj on March 27, 2015, 12:33:34 PM

The news report says they found "an item of significance" in the guy's apartment.

It will all come out within a few days. Obviously, it's impossible to suppress his religion and personal life since his name is known.

They found a suicide note.

Well, BBC isn't very reliable but they wrote the opposite: "Prosecutors said there was no evidence of a political or religious motive to his actions, and no suicide note was found." But they wrote about some torn sick notes in his apartment what suggests that he wasn't fit for flying.

Apologies. I'm 99% sure they did say "suicide note" on the news this morning, but I suppose it's possible I misheard them.

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A very interesting read:

The Germanwings tragedy: inside the mind of a pilot (by Michael Bloomfield)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/27/germanwings-tragedy-pilot-psychiatrist-psychological-evaluation-andreas-lubitz

<< French prosecutors have reported that first officer Andreas Lubitz appeared to want to destroy the aircraft carrying 149 innocent people aboard Germanwings flight 4U9525. As a qualified pilot and a psychiatrist, I have since repeatedly imagined nightmare scenarios in that cockpit. Although we will never know what was truly going through Lubitz's mind as the aircraft plunged, one of the many alarming aspects of this tragedy is that his depression is being quickly blamed. Obviously depression cannot be the sole cause of a likely mass murder. Understanding this could yield many important lessons, and for now, the black box flight recorder will continue to yield vital information. (...) >>

(Michael Bloomfield is a research fellow in psychiatry at Imperial College London)

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Quote from: jaysabi on March 27, 2015, 11:14:03 AM

Quote from: johnyj on March 27, 2015, 12:33:34 PM

Own jetpack won't work at extreme height, too cold and no oxigen, but the whole plane might be possible to first eject slowdown parachute at tail then lots of parachute/airbag around the body, thus ATC can override with an emergency brake and shutdown the engine

I think you're underestimating how much parachute you'd need to slow down a jetliner traveling at 600 mph. And a parachute to slow down an entire plane, assuming this was physically and mechanically feasible, would ostensibly be deployed from the cockpit, which makes this a solution that wouldn't have worked in this case, since the co-pilot locked out everyone who didn't want to crash the plane.

When you are taking a car driving course, your instructor can always step on break and stop the car. Air Traffic Control can not do this to an airplane because of safety concern, but if the plane can be safely parachuted, the control of plane can be overridden by ATC, the pilots will have no control over the plane when ATC take over

In fact if ATC can override, parachute is not needed, it can just autopilot the airplane to land on any nearby airport. You only need to code a specific emergency landing sequence in the airplane computer and trigger that sequence when something is wrong. But parachuting is easier than autopilot since it could also solve other problems like computer/engine/gear failure etc...

The amount of engineering this would require relative to its utility keeps this from being a worthwhile endeavor. (In my opinion.)

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Quote from: jaysabi on March 27, 2015, 11:14:03 AM

Quote from: jaysabi on March 27, 2015, 11:14:03 AM

Own jetpack won't work at extreme height, too cold and no oxigen, but the whole plane might be possible to first eject slowdown parachute at tail then lots of parachute/airbag around the body, thus ATC can override with an emergency brake and shutdown the engine

I think you're underestimating how much parachute you'd need to slow down a jetliner traveling at 600 mph. And a parachute to slow down an entire plane, assuming this was physically and mechanically feasible, would ostensibly be deployed from the cockpit, which makes this a solution that wouldn't have worked in this case, since the co-pilot locked out everyone who didn't want to crash the plane.

When you are taking a car driving course, your instructor can always step on break and stop the car. Air Traffic Control can not do this to an airplane because of safety concern, but if the plane can be safely parachuted, the control of plane can be overridden by ATC, the pilots will have no control over the plane when ATC take over

In fact if ATC can override, parachute is not needed, it can just autopilot the airplane to land on any nearby airport. You only need to code a specific emergency landing sequence in the airplane computer and trigger that sequence when something is wrong. But parachuting is easier than autopilot since it could also solve other problems like computer/engine/gear failure etc...

Would the autopilot be able to land everywhere? Someone said above that it worked on large airports but airports can be different and with different sizes, etc. And maybe it could cause problems for the airport if they weren't ready.
And if you can send information to the plane to do that, or to say it can't land there, can't there be the risk of it being used to hijack the plane? : /

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Own jetpack won't work at extreme height, too cold and no oxigen, but the whole plane might be possible to first eject slowdown parachute at tail then lots of parachute/airbag around the body, thus ATC can override with an emergency brake and shutdown the engine

I think you're underestimating how much parachute you'd need to slow down a jetliner traveling at 600 mph. And a parachute to slow down an entire plane, assuming this was physically and mechanically feasible, would ostensibly be deployed from the cockpit, which makes this a solution that wouldn't have worked in this case, since the co-pilot locked out everyone who didn't want to crash the plane.

When you are taking a car driving course, your instructor can always step on break and stop the car. Air Traffic Control can not do this to an airplane because of safety concern, but if the plane can be safely parachuted, the control of plane can be overridden by ATC, the pilots will have no control over the plane when ATC take over

In fact if ATC can override, parachute is not needed, it can just autopilot the airplane to land on any nearby airport. You only need to code a specific emergency landing sequence in the airplane computer and trigger that sequence when something is wrong. But parachuting is easier than autopilot since it could also solve other problems like computer/engine/gear failure etc...

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Quote from: Snail2 on March 27, 2015, 08:10:42 AM

Own jetpack won't work at extreme height, too cold and no oxigen, but the whole plane might be possible to first eject slowdown parachute at tail then lots of parachute/airbag around the body, thus ATC can override with an emergency brake and shutdown the engine

I think you're underestimating how much parachute you'd need to slow down a jetliner traveling at 600 mph. And a parachute to slow down an entire plane, assuming this was physically and mechanically feasible, would ostensibly be deployed from the cockpit, which makes this a solution that wouldn't have worked in this case, since the co-pilot locked out everyone who didn't want to crash the plane.

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Own jetpack won't work at extreme height, too cold and no oxigen, but the whole plane might be possible to first eject slowdown parachute at tail then lots of parachute/airbag around the body, thus ATC can override with an emergency brake and shutdown the engine

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Quote from: rehnede on March 27, 2015, 08:01:52 AM

Then I think huge parachutes can be a good option to lower the speed. Or there can be a big fan underneath the plane like those having stability like helicopters.

Those are doesn't really matter if the pilot want to crash the plane.
A big parachute needs high altitude and "thick" air to open and slow down stuff. In addition we are talking about a big and relative fragile 60-70 tons plane, so you would really need quite a lot of huge parachutes.

Just one more reason why everyone needs their own personal jetpack.

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Quote from: patt0 on March 27, 2015, 09:38:44 AM

I do not hate muslims, and have started no complaints on such. In fact I do not agree with the writer that "Islam is a terrorist organization" (for practical reasons.) It isn't predictive as an assertion.

However we know that men of a certain age group, affiliated with certain radical Muslim belief sets, are a direct threat. If you do not like an unpleasant real world perspective, tough. Let's see what the latest news is on the subject.

A German news website claims Andreas Lubitz was a Muslim convert.
Speisa.com reported:

According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.

Translation from German:

All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radical”, ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he – as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York – received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.

Converts are the most important weapon of Islam. Because their resume do not suggests that they often are particularly violent Muslims. Thus Germany now has its own 9/11, but in a reduced form. And so it is clear that Islam is a terrorist organization that are in accordance with §129a of the Criminal Code to prohibit it and to investigate its followers. But nothing will happen. One can bet that the apologists (media, politics, “Islamic Scholars”) will agree to assign this an act of a “mentally unstable” man, and you can bet that now, once again the mantra of how supposedly peaceful Islam is will continue. And worse still, the attacks by the left against those who have always warned against Islam, will be angrier and merciless.

Please can you stop? Thanks.

Quote from: Snail2 on March 27, 2015, 08:41:16 AM

Quote from: Snail2 on March 27, 2015, 08:41:16 AM

The news report says they found "an item of significance" in the guy's apartment.

It will all come out within a few days. Obviously, it's impossible to suppress his religion and personal life since his name is known.

They found a suicide note.

Well, BBC isn't very reliable but they wrote the opposite: "Prosecutors said there was no evidence of a political or religious motive to his actions, and no suicide note was found." But they wrote about some torn sick notes in his apartment what suggests that he wasn't fit for flying.

I read that too. And a German newspaper said he had psychological problems and had been under psychiatric treatment for 18 months.
And recently that he had a breakup with his girlfriend. : /

So most probably wasn't a religion reason, he was only affected by a psychiatric pathology and he has committed only a suicide without any religion purpose.

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The news report says they found "an item of significance" in the guy's apartment.

It will all come out within a few days. Obviously, it's impossible to suppress his religion and personal life since his name is known.

They found a suicide note.

Well, BBC isn't very reliable but they wrote the opposite: "Prosecutors said there was no evidence of a political or religious motive to his actions, and no suicide note was found." But they wrote about some torn sick notes in his apartment what suggests that he wasn't fit for flying.

I read that too. And a German newspaper said he had psychological problems and had been under psychiatric treatment for 18 months.
And recently that he had a breakup with his girlfriend. : /

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Re the concept of passengers being able to use ejector seats, an average ejector seat weighs 150lbs+

Ignoring the issue of designing a plane that could eject people safely, questions arise about how such a system could be activated and also the cost of carrying 22,500lbs of ejectors seats and parachutes.

Not to mention the explosive charge in each ejector seat.

There have been some successful experiments with whole airframe parachutes but only when a plane is at stall speed.

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The news report says they found "an item of significance" in the guy's apartment.

It will all come out within a few days. Obviously, it's impossible to suppress his religion and personal life since his name is known.

They found a suicide note.

Well, BBC isn't very reliable but they wrote the opposite: "Prosecutors said there was no evidence of a political or religious motive to his actions, and no suicide note was found." But they wrote about some torn sick notes in his apartment what suggests that he wasn't fit for flying.

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The news report says they found "an item of significance" in the guy's apartment.

It will all come out within a few days. Obviously, it's impossible to suppress his religion and personal life since his name is known.

They found a suicide note.

No. They found torn up sick notes.

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