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Quote from: innocent93 on March 26, 2015, 12:33:56 PM

Passengers planes needs a escape system that have been equipped on fighters.

I think it is better to add a new security system to the airplane, why not add something like a key "multisig" so if the co-pilot (like in this bad situation) close it into the cabin the pilot and one hostes can open the door with their "keys". I hope you understand, it is the same system of the multisig address (2of3).

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Passengers planes needs a escape system that have been equipped on fighters. There should be a solution for that dangerous situation instead of sitting waiting for death.

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Quote from: (oYo) on March 26, 2015, 09:41:18 AM

I just heard on the news this morning they suspect the pilot committed suicide. In the black box recording they said you can hear him breathing calmly and the captain in the background trying to break down the door.

Yes, I also have heard this news in the morning but it has not any sense. why he did that thing? He has killed all those people (RIP) without any reason (kill a person has not any sense, only in defense cases). However It could be a jihadist (terrorist) but I don't understand why he crashed to a mountain instead a city, so the chance of a jihadist could be very low.

Suicide doesn't need to make sense to anyone other than the one committing it. Therefore, regarding all the other lives lost: A Muslim may believe he is doing the will of Allah, by waging jihad.; A Christian may even rationalize that they will all just go to heaven (or hell) a bit earlier; A Buddhist might think they were doing everyone a favor by ending their suffering; A nihilist believes everything is meaningless, therefore it doesn't matter how many lives are taken. Aside from any religious or philosophical regards, if you commit suicide, it is often simply an act of desperation and you probably just don't care anymore (emphasis made) about the repercussions of your actions.

You are right, it could be a raptus attack. This situation reminds me this film : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Tales_(film) They should check the story of each passenger (it is very strange).

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Quote from: --Encrypted-- on March 24, 2015, 02:07:35 PM

just saw this on the news today. my full condolences to the families of the missing passengers.

you'd think that the more advanced our technologies are, the less accident will happen. but for some reason we have a lot of plane crashes these days.

I think there are less plane crashes relative to the number of flights than there have been in the past. There are just many more flights now than there used to be.

Sad story. Yes, the number of flights is definitely higher - but no where close to the amount of regular traffic, not sure, I just think it's hard to make comparisons as people often do (not you). Also, while some people can miraculously survive a traffic accident, survivors of plane crashes are a very, very rare occurrence.

Well think about the speeds involved. The difference in kinetic energy of hitting a solid object at 60 mph (or less) vs. 600 mph is enormous, plus cars are engineered to protect the passengers as much as possible with devices that lessen the impact (seat belts, airbags, crumple zones, steel frames built around the seats), vs. planes which cannot do much to lessen such an enormous impact. I'm not surprised at all that the vast majority of people involved in air crashes die. The forces involved are just too great to protect against effectively.

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They check passengers too much instead of thinking if pilots are proper to this job.

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Quote from: redsn0w on March 26, 2015, 10:19:29 AM

Quote from: (oYo) on March 26, 2015, 09:41:18 AM

I just heard on the news this morning they suspect the pilot committed suicide. In the black box recording they said you can hear him breathing calmly and the captain in the background trying to break down the door.

Yes, I also have heard this news in the morning but it has not any sense. why he did that thing? He has killed all those people (RIP) without any reason (kill a person has not any sense, only in defense cases). However It could be a jihadist (terrorist) but I don't understand why he crashed to a mountain instead a city, so the chance of a jihadist could be very low.

Suicide doesn't need to make sense to anyone other than the one committing it. Therefore, regarding all the other lives lost: A Muslim may believe he is doing the will of Allah, by waging jihad.; A Christian may even rationalize that they will all just go to heaven (or hell) a bit earlier; A Buddhist might think they were doing everyone a favor by ending their suffering; A nihilist believes everything is meaningless, therefore it doesn't matter how many lives are taken. Aside from any religious or philosophical regards, if you commit suicide, it is often simply an act of desperation and you probably just don't care anymore (emphasis made) about the repercussions of your actions.

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Quote from: jaysabi on March 24, 2015, 02:23:47 PM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on March 24, 2015, 02:07:35 PM

just saw this on the news today. my full condolences to the families of the missing passengers.

you'd think that the more advanced our technologies are, the less accident will happen. but for some reason we have a lot of plane crashes these days.

I think there are less plane crashes relative to the number of flights than there have been in the past. There are just many more flights now than there used to be.

Sad story. Yes, the number of flights is definitely higher - but no where close to the amount of regular traffic, not sure, I just think it's hard to make comparisons as people often do (not you). Also, while some people can miraculously survive a traffic accident, survivors of plane crashes are a very, very rare occurrence.

That is not true actually:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft

There are actually quite a lot of crashes that do not kill everyone on board. The majority of crashes kill all on board, but it is not very very rare. There were 2 crashes of the 7 in 2014 that had survivors.
The number of plane crashes in 2014 was lower than in 2014, there were a lot more fatalities though.

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Quote from: (oYo) on March 26, 2015, 09:41:18 AM

I just heard on the news this morning they suspect the pilot committed suicide. In the black box recording they said you can hear him breathing calmly and the captain in the background trying to break down the door.

Yes, I also have heard this news this morning but it has not any sense. why he did that thing? He has killed all those people (RIP) without any reason (kill a person has not any sense, only in defense cases). However It could be a jihadist (terrorist) but I don't understand why he crashed to a mountain instead a city, so the chance of a jihadist could be very low.

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I just heard on the news this morning they suspect the pilot committed suicide. In the black box recording they said you can hear him breathing calmly and the captain in the background trying to break down the door.

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Quote from: jaysabi on March 24, 2015, 02:23:47 PM

Quote from: --Encrypted-- on March 24, 2015, 02:07:35 PM

just saw this on the news today. my full condolences to the families of the missing passengers.

you'd think that the more advanced our technologies are, the less accident will happen. but for some reason we have a lot of plane crashes these days.

I think there are less plane crashes relative to the number of flights than there have been in the past. There are just many more flights now than there used to be.

Sad story. Yes, the number of flights is definitely higher - but no where close to the amount of regular traffic, not sure, I just think it's hard to make comparisons as people often do (not you). Also, while some people can miraculously survive a traffic accident, survivors of plane crashes are a very, very rare occurrence.

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Officials say that a pilot was locked out of the cockpit and was banging on the door.
Atlast he tried to kick the door in.

Sadly he was unable to get it.

This still leaves the question... Why did the other pilot not respond?

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Quote from: Grand_Voyageur on March 25, 2015, 03:26:21 AM

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 24, 2015, 05:45:09 PM

Each plane crash is a tragedy, but speculation as to what happened in France are fruitless until the flight recorders are found and decoded.

Sincere condolences to the families...

They already found it, though not sure how long it takes to decode. Don't flight recorders only collect certain flight data? I guess if it was shot down or just blew up randomly the box wouldn't be able to help (not saying it was anything to do with those two but speaking in general about crashes).

Crew conversations are actually recorded by (at least some) flight recorders, so you should still be able to infer something about circumstances of accidents. As an example, in the Aerolinee Itavia Flight 870 case pilots chatting about nearby aircrafts movements suddenly stop, due to the airliner being hit by a missile.

My knowledge is that there are usually two different "black boxes" in a single plane although they can sometimes be integrated into a single unit. One is the flight data recorder (FDR) which records the technical details of the flight (e.g. control inputs, airspeed, altitude, pitch, roll, yaw, magnetic heading, etc.) while the other is the cockpit voice recorder (CVR) which records the conversations in the cockpit.

Quote from: lister storm on March 25, 2015, 07:04:43 PM

The fact that they didn't maneuver at all is definitely weird. I believe visibility was decent so it's not like they didn't see mountains coming if they were alive and conscious.

Interestingly, one of the theories currently circulating as to the cause of the disaster is that the pilots of the plane lost consciousness due to a cracked windscreen and the resulting loss in cabin pressure which would have knocked them unconscious or otherwise incapacitated them to some degree:

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According to reports circulating on professional pilots forums, the catastrophic crash could have been triggered by a sudden loss of cabin pressure...

...Rumours have been circulating that the cockpit's windscreen gave way, incapacitating the pilots and rendering them unable to send a distress call.

Link: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/566170/Alps-crash-Rumours-circulate-cracked-windscreen-blame-Germanwings-tragedy

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The fact that they didn't maneuver at all is definitely weird. I believe visibility was decent so it's not like they didn't see mountains coming if they were alive and conscious.

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Quote from: Father Ted on March 25, 2015, 03:12:18 AM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 24, 2015, 05:45:09 PM

Each plane crash is a tragedy, but speculation as to what happened in France are fruitless until the flight recorders are found and decoded.

Sincere condolences to the families...

They already found it, though not sure how long it takes to decode. Don't flight recorders only collect certain flight data? I guess if it was shot down or just blew up randomly the box wouldn't be able to help (not saying it was anything to do with those two but speaking in general about crashes).

Crew conversations are actually recorded by (at least some) flight recorders, so you should still be able to infer something about circumstances of accidents. As an example, in the Aerolinee Itavia Flight 870 case pilots chatting about nearby aircrafts movements suddenly stop, due to the airliner being hit by a missile.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on March 24, 2015, 05:45:09 PM

Each plane crash is a tragedy, but speculation as to what happened in France are fruitless until the flight recorders are found and decoded.

Sincere condolences to the families...

They already found it, though not sure how long it takes to decode. Don't flight recorders only collect certain flight data? I guess if it was shot down or just blew up randomly the box wouldn't be able to help (not saying it was anything to do with those two but speaking in general about crashes).

Quote from: foxbitcoin on March 25, 2015, 12:43:37 AM

That's a weird crash site.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kh32q_first-footage-of-germanwings-flight-4u9525-airbus-a320-plane-crash-site_news

Looks like it might have broken up mid air and scattered debris over a distance.

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Airplane crashes are always terrible. I guess the best thing about them is the quick death - you don't suffer in any way - other than the anxiety before.

Thoughts to all the families involved. The world needs less crashes. Sad

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Quote from: foxbitcoin on March 25, 2015, 12:43:37 AM

That's a weird crash site.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kh32q_first-footage-of-germanwings-flight-4u9525-airbus-a320-plane-crash-site_news

Not sure if it's relevant but it seems that the particular A320 in question was nearing the end of its natural lifespan which does raise the possibility that the crash was caused by some sort of mechanical malfunction:

Quote from: Wikipedia

The aircraft involved was an Airbus A320-211, serial number 147, registered as D-AIPX. Its first flight was on 29 November 1990, and it was delivered to Lufthansa on 5 February 1991. It served with Germanwings for the first time in 2003. It was returned to Lufthansa in 2004 and was re-transferred to the relaunched Germanwings on 31 January 2014. The aircraft had accumulated about 58,300 flight hours on 46,700 flights. The original Design Service Goal (DSG) of the aircraft was 60,000 hours or 48,000 flights.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

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That's a weird crash site.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kh32q_first-footage-of-germanwings-flight-4u9525-airbus-a320-plane-crash-site_news

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What a terrible last few months it has been for the aviation industry. RIP to all the travelers.

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Damn, it seems like there's been a lot or air disasters recently. Has there been any comment on the cause of it?

There was only 1 other plane crash this year, which still makes planes very safe and reliable. Just think about it, most airports in the world have over 10 takeoffs every hour and out of these thousands of planes in air every day we have maybe one crash every 2 months. I read a lot about plane crashes and most are due to human error.

Just like cars, plane travel will become a lot safer when humans are taken out of the equation and only used for emergencies (mechanical problems).

Is that not how planes operate now? I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that the pilots are mainly used for takeoffs and landings and the majority of the flight time is now spent on autopilot or to reroute around storms or turbulence.

Your assumption is correct. And even landings are often performed on autopilot in the larger airports with ILS CAT III. During the flight, the pilot will set the plane on autopilot and only adjust settings through the autopilot to change the course or altitude.

There was a disaster when the plane's autopilot was automatically switched off without the pilot being notified, when too much pressure was applied to the yoke.

Each plane crash is a tragedy, but speculation as to what happened in France are fruitless until the flight recorders are found and decoded.

Sincere condolences to the families...

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