Topic: France plane crash: No survivors expected [Condolences to the families] - page 6. (Read 7989 times)

Wow.  Why is overriding this even an option?   

What a terrifying last few minutes for the passengers.

Check out this incident from November, similar plane (A321), essentially the same airline:

(only found a German source: http://diepresse.com/home/panorama/welt/4690011/Computerfehler_LufthansaAirbus-begann-Sturzflug)

tl;dr: Sensors iced over, auto-pilot started rapid-ish descent (1000m per minute) until pilot restarted board computer and pulled up the machine.

I'm imagining a horror scenario where the pilot and a few others are frantically trying to beat open the door and succeed only right before impact.

What about a modular construction, where the whole seat groups of 3 are ejected with a common parachute...

The flight recorder revealed the passengers were calm until seconds before the crash, there was no time to evacuate even if they had parachutes.

It's harder than you might think. Usually people are afraid of heights and would hesitate or even panic before the jump, so the evacuation would take at least 10 min. What is more, you wouldn't be able to use front doors because they would be sucked by the engines, so everyone would have to jump out the rear.

That's what I always think about when they start yet another demonstration of how to employ the floating vests...


Someone who has been hypnotised. The co-pilot might not have been aware of what he was doing. The captain going out might have been a trigger condition for him to take action. The prosecutor mentioned the the co-pilots responses changed from jovial/normal to short when the captain mentioned that he is about to go out of the cabin.

I watched a documentary on Discovery about such "programming".

the mechanism to unlock the door by punching in a code from the outside, was overridden from the cockpit. That would mean that the co-pilot was actively working to keep the pilot out, and knew what he was doing.

Such a senseless tragedy... What absurd reason can any human conjure up to calmly descend into the nearest mountain with 150 innocent souls on board without so much as a verbal justification or sigh of relief?

This is going to increase airfare prices for sure in Canada, now that you need at least three people in the cockpit.

(Air Canada is requiring two people in the cockpit at all times, so unless the pilots can "hold it in" the entire flight, you need three!)

http://globalnews.ca/news/1905570/air-canada-to-implement-new-policy-requiring-2-people-in-cockpit/

Where the fuck are huge parachutes for whole cabin? Totally technically plausible.

He seems to have suffered with depression a few years ago, maybe that had something to do with what happened:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/26/germanwings-co-pilot-reportedly-battled-depression-in-0/

Not disclose the co-pilot's religion seems suspicious, but if it was religious motivated I assume someone is going to take credit for the attack.

Please don't start another complaint : "I hate muslims" , because this not the correct thread. Thanks for the attention and also (why not) for your opinion.

I'm confused by your "updated" post. Are you satirizing, speculating, or something else?

Updated: 26 March 2015

MARSEILLE, France -- Barely a day after the New York Times reported that the voice recorder of Flight 9525 revealed the pilot banging on the door to get back into the cockpit, authorities have released the name of the presumably suicidal co-pilot, and happily, his first name is not "al-".

French prosecutor Brice Robin said that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, 29, was initially "courteous," though when the captain asked about going for lunch after the flight, Lubitz gave a cryptic reply about preferring virgins.

Evidently, the pilot left for the toilet (für gepißßing) and the co-pilot locked the door, hardened cockpit doors being an innovation adopted after the last time a plane was intentionally crashed. The Airbus A320 is designed with safeguards to allow emergency entry into the cockpit — which can never be used by anyone who does not belong inside to begin with — but the override code is disabled in the case of a co-pilot desiring to commit mass murder and suicide.

Standard U.S. operating procedure is not to leave the co-pilot alone in the cockpit but to put a stewardess inside, because she is never a jihadi, as of course the co-pilot is not either.

Mr. al-Lubitz was a veteran flier who had flown thousands of flights without ending any of them in the side of a mountain. But Mr. Robin refused to disclose the co-pilot's religion.

Yeah, it'll most likely shape up into yet another Allah Akbar.

Is there any indication if it was religiously motivated?

Germanwings flight 4U9525 deliberately flown into mountain, says prosecutor

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/26/germanwings-flight-4u9525-deliberately-flown-into-mountain-says-prosecutor

<< The co-pilot of the Germanwings plane that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday, killing 150 people, appears to have deliberately flown it into a mountain after locking the flight captain out of the cockpit. During the last eight minutes of the flight, the co-pilot "voluntarily" carried out actions that led to the destruction of the aircraft, Brice Robin, a French public prosecutor, said at a press conference in Marseille.

Citing evidence from a cockpit voice recorder recovered from the Airbus A320, Robin outlined the last moments of the doomed plane in a chilling account of the actions of the co-pilot, whom he named as 28-year-old Andreas Lubitz. Robin said Lubitz could be heard breathing right up until the point of impact, suggesting he had not lost consciousness. However, he failed to respond to increasingly desperate calls from the captain trying to break down the cockpit door, or to air traffic controllers. Passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, Robin said. >>

Do you mean the ejector seat? There's technically no way to do it and I can already tell you that it won't be implemented. There are many reasons and here's a few obvious ones:
-It would greatly increase the weight of the plane as each seat has its own parachute, air supply for the passenger and gas tanks to achieve thrust.
-Each ejector would open the ceiling and decompress the cabin, so you'd have to eject everyone at the same time. That said, who would be responsible for the ejector? What if somebody would panic and eject 300 passengers, wearing t-shirts, somewhere over the arctic circle...

That looks like an interesting movie. I'll definitely try to find a copy to watch. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3011894/

Cool idea, but it would be far too costly, not to mention add a lot of weight to the plane. I could think of a few (more political) reasons why it would never happen.

Its hard to be involved in their personal life and address each pilot in particular. Its still not clear what the intention was, but I don't see anyone thinking of suicide taking down a lot of people with him, unless he developed hate due to a terrible experience.