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Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 63. (Read 566736 times)

legendary
Activity: 1372
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Don’t stay on a sinking ship: Just because you’ve sunk costs into a project doesn’t mean you have to go down with the ship. With these strategies, you can let go of the past and make decisions based on what’s best for you and your team. The sunk cost fallacy makes you your own worst enemy—but with some self awareness, you can be the key to your team’s success instead.

I suppose far too many people do not know when to cut their losses to at least end up with something (no matter how small) as it will always be better than having nothing...

From my personal experience, I have seen bitcoin falling so hard that it makes us believe it is going down to zero but then the reversal comes in.
So bitcoin has some people so adamant that they hold on to their "sinking ship" believing that the reversal will come soon and their ship will be back on track.
But the hard truth is that it doesn't happen with altcoins. Bitcoin is truly an exception...

If you look closely, the fallacy is based on maintaining the investment only because you have already lost money (or time). In the case of Bitcoin it is not only that. If it goes down 80%, we know that many times it has done so and recovered, that it has a high volatility, that it is the only asset with a total limit to its production, and a reduction of supply every 4 years, etc.

Back in 2021 I referred to investments in FUN as being a sunk cost. The token had gone down 90% in value, yet some people still had the illusion that the price could go back up and thought that buying it at a cheap price was a good idea.
https://ninjastic.space/post/58686997

The token was always managed terribly and none of the reasons for why it would pump came to be. Instead it went down further and people lost more money than they would have if they had just gotten out early. I also failed to get out early because I locked them for too long and was unable to sell them at a good time. The only common sense thing to do at this point is to abandon the sinking ship if you have not done so already.

I too invested early on in the tokens, which have been the only tokens I have bought but I got out early, losing little. If we look at the graph, the tokens had a spike when they were created, started their trend at 0, like all of them, and had a second spike when FBI announced it was adopting them for its site. After a while the trend to 0 started again.

The case of these tokens is completely different from buying Bitcoin.
sr. member
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There are times when it pays to cut losses and avoid falling into the sunk ship fallacy.

The trend of the token is clear, to continue to fall until it is worth 0, as happens in general with most tokens and shitcoins. And even more so with the FBI situation. I in your situation I guess I would have done the same, cut losses and recover what I can before losing everything.

Did you have any problems with the withdrawal or did everything go smoothly?

Back in 2021 I referred to investments in FUN as being a sunk cost. The token had gone down 90% in value, yet some people still had the illusion that the price could go back up and thought that buying it at a cheap price was a good idea.
https://ninjastic.space/post/58686997

The token was always managed terribly and none of the reasons for why it would pump came to be. Instead it went down further and people lost more money than they would have if they had just gotten out early. I also failed to get out early because I locked them for too long and was unable to sell them at a good time. The only common sense thing to do at this point is to abandon the sinking ship if you have not done so already.
hero member
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Legal action would be a big waste of time and money. Nobody really knows who FBC are anyway, it's two guys, who are from the UK, but the domain itself has privacy enabled. You would need a subopena just to get details from cloudflare (where the domain is pointing to), just to try to get some personal details of the owners. But who knows, they have probably covered their tracks well, maybe use TOR, VPNs, proxies and there would be many hurdles to jump through to eventually get the personal details of Wetsuit, Quinn and whoever else manages the site.
Based on the new terms of Freebitco, the website is owned and operated by "FBC BV". Perhaps, they have registered a licence under Curacao (I'm not sure about this yet).
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/freebitcoin-is-no-longer-a-kyc-free-casino-new-terms-5460131

If they are a licensed and registered company, I guess it's not impossible to track them legally, right?

The biggest issue are the costs involved in such endeavor. For those who are concerned about their funds, it's advisable that they just withdraw all their money from the platform as soon as possible and forget about the premium bullshit.

Missing WoF spins don't worth the headaches with a potential legal action.
jr. member
Activity: 119
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I think you should be a little be more patient. We are currently in the plain middle of the summer, when most people are on vacations. So you shouldn't expect the issue being solved within few days if they've said in their last update that "we do not yet have a time frame for a resolution". IMO we'll need to wait several more weeks, certainly till the beginning of september.

Maybe, but what makes me suspicions is the fact that the number of Premium Membership Level Days is frozen since few weeks. This is a clear sign to me that this premium feature is going to die in one or another way, or for what reason should this happen?
And what about the customers discussing here how long a deposit should take to be credited? I can not understand why someone would like to deposit something at FBC under this circumstances.
newbie
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I received no email from them on September 7. Been a user since 2016

Promotional emails, theres some every day and you can sign up for them.  Theres a free daily spin to do so and another spin for agreeing to notify on the site itself.

So his point they advertise something and then dont provide it.   Really a fair complaint but not the first time I've seen this either.  I made the same complaint to a bank offering a service at a price then when you try to use that service the actual account was a different price.  I pointed out their advertising and they got no interest in this, thats a different department.  Very unfair but not exclusive to this site, happens alot with offers etc. especially online.

Not saying anyone is wrong, its missing but not the first time I've seen stuff like that.  I will paraphrase Hanlons razors which is roughly: never suspect malice before incompetence.  Its been said to be the best description of government failure.   I wouldnt especially go into any organized theory why its broke, it just needs to fixed and it'd be dull not to so.

I'm signed up for the promo emails, as I always have been. I only get two or three a week now. In the past it was 2 or 3 every day. I don't get the daily push notification spin anymore either.
member
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Given it is now 44 days since the daily allocation of WOFs for holding FUN stopped, we must assume no-one is "working on it" and they have simply decided to not give it any more. You therefore need to look at any remaining advantages of holding and locking FUN based solely on that token's performance.
i agree!!!

I too wait 3 weeks (((( I have  locked  10,510 FUN tonen
STT
legendary
Activity: 4102
Merit: 1454
I received no email from them on September 7. Been a user since 2016

Promotional emails, theres some every day and you can sign up for them.  Theres a free daily spin to do so and another spin for agreeing to notify on the site itself.

So his point they advertise something and then dont provide it.   Really a fair complaint but not the first time I've seen this either.  I made the same complaint to a bank offering a service at a price then when you try to use that service the actual account was a different price.  I pointed out their advertising and they got no interest in this, thats a different department.  Very unfair but not exclusive to this site, happens alot with offers etc. especially online.

Not saying anyone is wrong, its missing but not the first time I've seen stuff like that.  I will paraphrase Hanlons razors which is roughly: never suspect malice before incompetence.  Its been said to be the best description of government failure.   I wouldnt especially go into any organized theory why its broke, it just needs to fixed and it'd be dull not to so.
hero member
Activity: 2702
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It really was an enjoyable read. The very last paragraph of the sunk ship fallacy link you provided states:

Don’t stay on a sinking ship: Just because you’ve sunk costs into a project doesn’t mean you have to go down with the ship. With these strategies, you can let go of the past and make decisions based on what’s best for you and your team. The sunk cost fallacy makes you your own worst enemy—but with some self awareness, you can be the key to your team’s success instead.

I suppose far too many people do not know when to cut their losses to at least end up with something (no matter how small) as it will always be better than having nothing.

Personally, I think many would agree they have been on a downward spiral for a long time. If they are sending out emails to some members and not others, this is probably another flaw in their system. I cannot see how they will recover from the damage to reputation as it has gone on for far too long.

From my personal experience, I have seen bitcoin falling so hard that it makes us believe it is going down to zero but then the reversal comes in.
So bitcoin has some people so adamant that they hold on to their "sinking ship" believing that the reversal will come soon and their ship will be back on track.
But the hard truth is that it doesn't happen with altcoins. Bitcoin is truly an exception.
I have cut my losses few months ago and sold whatever I had and fortunately the withdrawal went through.
It feels really bad though when such a reputed site like freebitco.in which has been a gateway to crypto for many of us, goes down this way.
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 2353
First, you should invest in some or more FUN tokens because they are very cheap currently, hence you would get additional premium membership perks for a very small price, that is to say a cashback on all your bets, an increase of your daily interest earnings and some daily free WOF spins(currently suspended for most people though). Then you could try to play your bonus during a 6hours flash promotion, in order to get the rewards of the flash promotion on top of those of your bonus. You can also bet on easy or (almost) sure victories of some soccer teams on the sportsbooks page, you will get RP points and lottery tickets from all your bets (4 free lottery ticket, 5 reward points for every 0.00000500 BTC and 3 free golden ticket for every 0.00500000 BTC wagered)

Currently suspended? lol, do you honestly believe we are ever going to get WOF spins back for premium members? You're quite deluded if you think that.
I don't know, why they wouldn't say it if they wanted to stop it definitely? They won't be able to claim it's just suspended if in several months nothing has changed about it. We are still in summer, and during summer many people go on vacation, so tasks take more time to be done everywhere, and I was not expecting those issues to be fixed before the beginning of september actually(I even said it in a message one month ago). So I'm maybe wrong, but I'm not afraid by that up to now at least. I will start to get worried about it in one or two months.

I think you should be a little be more patient. We are currently in the plain middle of the summer, when most people are on vacations. So you shouldn't expect the issue being solved within few days if they've said in their last update that "we do not yet have a time frame for a resolution". IMO we'll need to wait several more weeks, certainly till the beginning of september.
newbie
Activity: 27
Merit: 0
I got only small balance left, but without those spins (free per email nor premium) I won't be able to reach 100k RP to cash out.
Only way to get some RP aside free rolls is to multiply/gamble. I got a small bonus offer there, but I never managed to aquire this bonus.
Anyone an idea how to gamble the bonus "steady" so I gain some RP aside?  Huh thx
First, you should invest in some or more FUN tokens because they are very cheap currently, hence you would get additional premium membership perks for a very small price, that is to say a cashback on all your bets, an increase of your daily interest earnings and some daily free WOF spins(currently suspended for most people though). Then you could try to play your bonus during a 6hours flash promotion, in order to get the rewards of the flash promotion on top of those of your bonus. You can also bet on easy or (almost) sure victories of some soccer teams on the sportsbooks page, you will get RP points and lottery tickets from all your bets (4 free lottery ticket, 5 reward points for every 0.00000500 BTC and 3 free golden ticket for every 0.00500000 BTC wagered)

There's no suspension of free WOF spins for holding FUN. There are a few posts saying they are aware of "the problem" but no explanation as to what "the problem" is.  They have never said they were suspending it.

Given it is now 44 days since the daily allocation of WOFs for holding FUN stopped, we must assume no-one is "working on it" and they have simply decided to not give it any more. You therefore need to look at any remaining advantages of holding and locking FUN based solely on that token's performance.
jr. member
Activity: 95
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I sold my 20000 tokens at a loss and withdrew my balance.

Did you have any problems with the withdrawal or did everything go smoothly?
I chose a slow withdrawal in the morning and received the payment in the afternoon.
jr. member
Activity: 72
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I got only small balance left, but without those spins (free per email nor premium) I won't be able to reach 100k RP to cash out.
Only way to get some RP aside free rolls is to multiply/gamble. I got a small bonus offer there, but I never managed to aquire this bonus.
Anyone an idea how to gamble the bonus "steady" so I gain some RP aside?  Huh thx
First, you should invest in some or more FUN tokens because they are very cheap currently, hence you would get additional premium membership perks for a very small price, that is to say a cashback on all your bets, an increase of your daily interest earnings and some daily free WOF spins(currently suspended for most people though). Then you could try to play your bonus during a 6hours flash promotion, in order to get the rewards of the flash promotion on top of those of your bonus. You can also bet on easy or (almost) sure victories of some soccer teams on the sportsbooks page, you will get RP points and lottery tickets from all your bets (4 free lottery ticket, 5 reward points for every 0.00000500 BTC and 3 free golden ticket for every 0.00500000 BTC wagered)

Currently suspended? lol, do you honestly believe we are ever going to get WOF spins back for premium members? You're quite deluded if you think that.
jr. member
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Legal action would be a big waste of time and money. Nobody really knows who FBC are anyway, it's two guys, who are from the UK, but the domain itself has privacy enabled. You would need a subopena just to get details from cloudflare (where the domain is pointing to), just to try to get some personal details of the owners. But who knows, they have probably covered their tracks well, maybe use TOR, VPNs, proxies and there would be many hurdles to jump through to eventually get the personal details of Wetsuit, Quinn and whoever else manages the site.
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 2353
I got only small balance left, but without those spins (free per email nor premium) I won't be able to reach 100k RP to cash out.
Only way to get some RP aside free rolls is to multiply/gamble. I got a small bonus offer there, but I never managed to aquire this bonus.
Anyone an idea how to gamble the bonus "steady" so I gain some RP aside?  Huh thx
First, you should invest in some or more FUN tokens because they are very cheap currently, hence you would get additional premium membership perks for a very small price, that is to say a cashback on all your bets, an increase of your daily interest earnings and some daily free WOF spins(currently suspended for most people though). Then you could try to play your bonus during a 6hours flash promotion, in order to get the rewards of the flash promotion on top of those of your bonus. You can also bet on easy or (almost) sure victories of some soccer teams on the sportsbooks page, you will get RP points and lottery tickets from all your bets (4 free lottery ticket, 5 reward points for every 0.00000500 BTC and 3 free golden ticket for every 0.00500000 BTC wagered)
legendary
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I sold my 20000 tokens at a loss and withdrew my balance.

There are times when it pays to cut losses and avoid falling into the sunk ship fallacy.

The trend of the token is clear, to continue to fall until it is worth 0, as happens in general with most tokens and shitcoins. And even more so with the FBI situation. I in your situation I guess I would have done the same, cut losses and recover what I can before losing everything.
It really was an enjoyable read. The very last paragraph of the sunk ship fallacy link you provided states:

Don’t stay on a sinking ship: Just because you’ve sunk costs into a project doesn’t mean you have to go down with the ship. With these strategies, you can let go of the past and make decisions based on what’s best for you and your team. The sunk cost fallacy makes you your own worst enemy—but with some self awareness, you can be the key to your team’s success instead.

I suppose far too many people do not know when to cut their losses to at least end up with something (no matter how small) as it will always be better than having nothing.

They just sent out an email an hour ago to ALL their users telling them It they'ill be receiving 16 of these FREE SPINS once they purchased their FUN tokens.

So this is not illegal marketing practices that should be brought into a court of law?
A similar heinous crime committed done -> ftx and celsius lying to their customers enough in stalling to get away with their funds.
To me the same thing is happening with this site to the thousands of customers who bought their fraudulent FUN tokens.
I received no email from them on September 7. Been a user since 2016
Personally, I think many would agree they have been on a downward spiral for a long time. If they are sending out emails to some members and not others, this is probably another flaw in their system. I cannot see how they will recover from the damage to reputation as it has gone on for far too long.
newbie
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I got only small balance left, but without those spins (free per email nor premium) I won't be able to reach 100k RP to cash out.
Only way to get some RP aside free rolls is to multiply/gamble. I got a small bonus offer there, but I never managed to aquire this bonus.
Anyone an idea how to gamble the bonus "steady" so I gain some RP aside?  Huh thx
Man you have only 47.50% possibilities to win with simple 50/50 game. As longer you play you are about to loose everything you have. Math is cruel. Sorry. Every single 100 satoshis bet is worth 95 satoshi for you and 105 satoshi for freebtc.
newbie
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I got only small balance left, but without those spins (free per email nor premium) I won't be able to reach 100k RP to cash out.
Only way to get some RP aside free rolls is to multiply/gamble. I got a small bonus offer there, but I never managed to aquire this bonus.
Anyone an idea how to gamble the bonus "steady" so I gain some RP aside?  Huh thx
newbie
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Is there a way to take legal action about the free spins? Like many of us would not have bought fun tokens if we knew this was going to happen.

I believe that, Spins are great publicity and very flashy and as such a profitable endeavor to run for the casino.   Conclusion being from that I think they will or should at least restore and repay those owed.   Legal anything would be overkill and probably not much use especially.  

Spins already had a kind of soft default, like when you save for a pension and they decide to raise your retirement age after the fact.  Not fair and people do sue on such things but I never heard much justice on it.    Basically the missing spins do harm prospects and appearance and its probably already showing in the token price to some extent.
   They should repair who knows if they will, but I presume they are aware of it being silly not to just because I credit some intelligence.  If they take too long the BTC price will resolve upwards, if they delivered on a BTC price low I wouldnt moan too much about it.
They just sent out an email an hour ago to ALL their users telling them they'ill be receiving 16 of these FREE SPINS once they purchased their FUN tokens.

So this is not illegal marketing practices that should be brought into a court of law?
A similar heinous crime committed done -> ftx and celsius lying to their customers enough in stalling to get away with their funds.
To me the same thing is happening with this site to the thousands of customers who bought their fraudulent FUN tokens.

I received no email from them on September 7. Been a user since 2016
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 2017
I sold my 20000 tokens at a loss and withdrew my balance.

There are times when it pays to cut losses and avoid falling into the sunk ship fallacy.

The trend of the token is clear, to continue to fall until it is worth 0, as happens in general with most tokens and shitcoins. And even more so with the FBI situation. I in your situation I guess I would have done the same, cut losses and recover what I can before losing everything.

Did you have any problems with the withdrawal or did everything go smoothly?
full member
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It's worth noting that there's still a lot of hype around the tap mini-apps in Telegram since some projects can distribute airdrops. And it seems that the developers of the FUN token realize this and want to attract a new audience since they decided to create an app there. I even wonder if the app in Telegram will provoke a new demand for the FUN token and whether the Freebitcoin team will be involved or not.


And it seems to me that gradually the interest in mini applications in telegram will begin to subside, because almost all of them are not worth the time spent, some of them simply left users without payments, some were so low that there was simply no point in it. Only Dogs gave some kind of corresponding result, everything else seems meaningless, so a little more and it will become useless.
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