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Quote from: madnessteat on July 11, 2021, 01:04:55 PM

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I agree. If a person does not want to inject a vaccine into his body that has not actually shown results of use and possible results of long-term side effects because it did not come on the market that long ago, it rather speaks to his caution. The actual performance of each individual vaccine will only be known over the course of several years of statistical data collection and it is a risk to use it now.

And this is an especially big risk if we are talking about countries where there is no trust in statistics or statements by the authorities Wink

Quote from: Slow death on July 11, 2021, 01:41:33 PM

speaking of vaccines being in an experimental state, in my country there were some rare cases of people who took the two doses of vaccines but were infected with this new variant of covid and are hospitalized in serious condition, I think the reason they have caught the vaccines and being hospitalized in serious condition is because maybe it takes some time for vaccinated people to develop immunity so I think it's dangerous for people to walk around without masks even if they are vaccinated

I have been following the vaccination topic on Twitter and have noticed (like many other people) that a lot of people got infected shortly after being vaccinated. Apparently, the very fact of vaccination for a short time greatly lowers immunity and people who were healthy for two years before that fall ill.

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I don't think that the anti-vaxxers will suddenly rush to take vaccines, if the casinos announce that they don't need to wear the masks. Many of them are refusing to take vaccines for ideological reasons and the measures from casinos may not be enough to convince these people to get vaccinated. One the other hand, IMO, measures such as the "vax a million" lottery recently announced by the state of Ohio will be having more of an impact (there was an uptick in vaccination rates in Ohio, after the governor announced about the lottery).

All coronavirus vaccines are currently experimental drugs with no data on the long-term effects of taking them. In addition, their effectiveness is in question, as well as the lethality of the virus itself. Therefore, I think it is wrong to call people who avoid using these drugs as anti-vaxxers. They make their tough, risky choices, but that doesn't mean they are the real crazy who deny all vaccinations.

speaking of vaccines being in an experimental state, in my country there were some rare cases of people who took the two doses of vaccines but were infected with this new variant of covid and are hospitalized in serious condition, I think the reason they have caught the vaccines and being hospitalized in serious condition is because maybe it takes some time for vaccinated people to develop immunity so I think it's dangerous for people to walk around without masks even if they are vaccinated

Our body does have in-built immunity but it would really be depending on how strong or good it is on fighting viruses or bacteria because we know that each person does have different health conditions.

Majority of vaccines are indeed on testing phase but it cant really be avoided that people would rush up on taking a shot because they are really afraid that they would get infected and would die

and seeing on the current number of deaths of this pandemic then you would surely freak out.Even myself wont really be that too confident on not to wear out any protective mask when you are in crowd.

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I don't think that the anti-vaxxers will suddenly rush to take vaccines, if the casinos announce that they don't need to wear the masks. Many of them are refusing to take vaccines for ideological reasons and the measures from casinos may not be enough to convince these people to get vaccinated. One the other hand, IMO, measures such as the "vax a million" lottery recently announced by the state of Ohio will be having more of an impact (there was an uptick in vaccination rates in Ohio, after the governor announced about the lottery).

All coronavirus vaccines are currently experimental drugs with no data on the long-term effects of taking them. In addition, their effectiveness is in question, as well as the lethality of the virus itself. Therefore, I think it is wrong to call people who avoid using these drugs as anti-vaxxers. They make their tough, risky choices, but that doesn't mean they are the real crazy who deny all vaccinations.

speaking of vaccines being in an experimental state, in my country there were some rare cases of people who took the two doses of vaccines but were infected with this new variant of covid and are hospitalized in serious condition, I think the reason they have caught the vaccines and being hospitalized in serious condition is because maybe it takes some time for vaccinated people to develop immunity so I think it's dangerous for people to walk around without masks even if they are vaccinated

But it's small cases only, you can't sacrifice everyone because there are people who suffer serious illness because of covid-19, the vaccine may not work for everyone but if it works to at least 99% of people in the world, they'll take it as an effective vaccine against the covid-19.

There is some country that minimizes the restriction, and that includes not wearing a mask anymore even in public places and they were not criticized with that although it maybe true that there are some who got hospitalized even after they got the vaccine.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 11, 2021, 07:20:39 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 09, 2021, 11:01:02 PM

I don't think that the anti-vaxxers will suddenly rush to take vaccines, if the casinos announce that they don't need to wear the masks. Many of them are refusing to take vaccines for ideological reasons and the measures from casinos may not be enough to convince these people to get vaccinated. One the other hand, IMO, measures such as the "vax a million" lottery recently announced by the state of Ohio will be having more of an impact (there was an uptick in vaccination rates in Ohio, after the governor announced about the lottery).

All coronavirus vaccines are currently experimental drugs with no data on the long-term effects of taking them. In addition, their effectiveness is in question, as well as the lethality of the virus itself. Therefore, I think it is wrong to call people who avoid using these drugs as anti-vaxxers. They make their tough, risky choices, but that doesn't mean they are the real crazy who deny all vaccinations.

speaking of vaccines being in an experimental state, in my country there were some rare cases of people who took the two doses of vaccines but were infected with this new variant of covid and are hospitalized in serious condition, I think the reason they have caught the vaccines and being hospitalized in serious condition is because maybe it takes some time for vaccinated people to develop immunity so I think it's dangerous for people to walk around without masks even if they are vaccinated

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Quote from: madnessteat on July 11, 2021, 01:04:55 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 11, 2021, 07:20:39 AM

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I agree. If a person does not want to inject a vaccine into his body that has not actually shown results of use and possible results of long-term side effects because it did not come on the market that long ago, it rather speaks to his caution. The actual performance of each individual vaccine will only be known over the course of several years of statistical data collection and it is a risk to use it now.

The thing is that these newly developed vaccines, and I'm referring especially to those which are mRNA based, will finish their experimenting phase in 2023. This is basically a mass experiment on top of our bodies. My doctor wants me vaccinated soon but I'm waiting for my blood tests and covid antibody testing. After that I'll decide what to do.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 11, 2021, 07:20:39 AM

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I agree. If a person does not want to inject a vaccine into his body that has not actually shown results of use and possible results of long-term side effects because it did not come on the market that long ago, it rather speaks to his caution. The actual performance of each individual vaccine will only be known over the course of several years of statistical data collection and it is a risk to use it now.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 08, 2021, 12:01:59 PM

That is one way to see it, it seems I am looking at the glass as half empty while you are looking at it as half full, this could be a measure that could make people to get vaccinated in order to go back to their previous lives, but the issue is that many of those that are not vaccinated also want to go back to that but they will still refuse to take the vaccine so they will either lie about it or maybe even use forgery to create fake documents to make it seem as if they have been vaccinated, something that will be detrimental to the efforts we are all making to reach heard immunity.

I think that being fully vaccinated is not a ground to be allowed to not wear mask anymore, to ease up on protocols. A person is not guaranteed to be fully protected from being infected of Covid virus even if fully vaccinated. In my opinion, casinos and people themselves must abide to any possible layer of protection that there is to really protect not just oneself but also people around us.

And while I share your opinion there is nothing we can do as that is the reality, I think taking the vaccine itself is being used as an incentive, something like if you want to go to your previous carefree life then you need to take the vaccine and you will be allowed to move without a face mask and travel all over the world, and if you do not then you still need to follow the protocols and your ability to travel is going to be restricted.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 09, 2021, 11:01:02 PM

I don't think that the anti-vaxxers will suddenly rush to take vaccines, if the casinos announce that they don't need to wear the masks. Many of them are refusing to take vaccines for ideological reasons and the measures from casinos may not be enough to convince these people to get vaccinated. One the other hand, IMO, measures such as the "vax a million" lottery recently announced by the state of Ohio will be having more of an impact (there was an uptick in vaccination rates in Ohio, after the governor announced about the lottery).

All coronavirus vaccines are currently experimental drugs with no data on the long-term effects of taking them. In addition, their effectiveness is in question, as well as the lethality of the virus itself. Therefore, I think it is wrong to call people who avoid using these drugs as anti-vaxxers. They make their tough, risky choices, but that doesn't mean they are the real crazy who deny all vaccinations.

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It's just a privilege for those fully vaccinated that they are allowed not to wear masks but if they still think that they have to wear them for their own added protection then they should wear them at all times. Someone might think that he's not fully protected through vaccine but it has a high efficacy that's why being vaccinated with a complete dose increases your immunity to the virus. And if a casino considers fully vaccinated people to be well protected and lessen the possibility of being infected and becoming the carrier, it's their rules inside their premises and for those vaccinated folks entering the premises, they're privileged.

I guess I missed on focusing that this concept is of the privileges of fully vaccinated customers. Although we cannot ignore the fact that even people who are vaccinated are still subject and susceptible to be infected with the virus but with lesser complicated symptoms. I just hope that when an outbreak occurs inside a casino, the management will take full responsibility of it.

It is a privilege because not everywhere can remove their masks so if you're in a place like Vegas and you're fully vaccinated or in a state where there's the same city rule that fully vaccinated people can freely remove their mask, you're just experiencing the privilege that other places don't have. Yes, you can still be infected if you're fully vaccinated but the chance is very little and you're not going to experience severe symptoms and you can recover eventually and that's why the cases are dropping down due to the vaccines effect.

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If that person cares about his health, he will still wear a mask and face shield outdoor and it is not about how they should debate about which opinion is right.

Your health is safe once you already take the vaccine, it's about the risk to the people surrounding you that have not taken their vaccine yet, and that is very irresponsible if we are not wearing a mask or people will go in public places without a vaccine. However, since America is a leading country, I'm sure soon everyone will get their vaccine and they are free to roam anywhere without a mask or face shield.

I heard that people already vaccinated can have the virus inside their body, but getting infected will reduce than people who are not vaccinated.

yeah the effect of virus in them will be lot lower than those who has not vaccinated meaning the risk of dying is just a 1-5% than those who has none vaccine .

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We do not want to risk people around us, especially our family, because they are important to us.
I heard from the news that people who already get vaccinated in the USA increase to 40%, and it will reach 70% before July 14th.
That will good for them. At least, with the vaccinated, they can get protection from the virus.

It is not about how many people got vaccinated in their country but how can this be transmitted inside their family and how can risk their love one died or even people just around them.

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I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

I don't think that the anti-vaxxers will suddenly rush to take vaccines, if the casinos announce that they don't need to wear the masks. Many of them are refusing to take vaccines for ideological reasons and the measures from casinos may not be enough to convince these people to get vaccinated. One the other hand, IMO, measures such as the "vax a million" lottery recently announced by the state of Ohio will be having more of an impact (there was an uptick in vaccination rates in Ohio, after the governor announced about the lottery).

There is also a certain country that follows this Ohio States Lottery strategy to lure people to get vaccinated But the respond is not that high because How can you expect people to just go vaccinated when the opportunity to win is one in a million ? they should create more chances of winnings so people might take the chance and the opportunity .
I myself won't just walk into the vaccination building when i am in doubt about my health .

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 07, 2021, 05:06:18 AM

I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

I don't think that the anti-vaxxers will suddenly rush to take vaccines, if the casinos announce that they don't need to wear the masks. Many of them are refusing to take vaccines for ideological reasons and the measures from casinos may not be enough to convince these people to get vaccinated. One the other hand, IMO, measures such as the "vax a million" lottery recently announced by the state of Ohio will be having more of an impact (there was an uptick in vaccination rates in Ohio, after the governor announced about the lottery).

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Quote from: DU18 on July 09, 2021, 07:44:57 AM

avoiding being exposed to the virus is better than we have to treat if infected, in my country they even seem to feel more afraid of being vaccinated than getting infected with the corona virus Grin

, and I don't know the reason why, many countries now require their citizens to vaccinate by adding punishment for residents who refuse the vaccination, in my personal opinion, by vaccinating us it does not mean that we will avoid the virus, so it is better to continue to apply the health protocols even though we have been injected with vaccinations to maintain our health.

I could relate when you say that more people are afraid of being vaccinated than being infected with the virus. In my country, this has also been evident since there are a lot of issues going around with the credibility of the vaccines being distributed among the citizens in the nation. Although many people are also starting to realize its essentiality to be vaccinated during these times. And abiding to safety protocols are still advocated even with fully vaccinated people and communities.

Quote from: blockman on July 09, 2021, 07:46:05 AM

It's just a privilege for those fully vaccinated that they are allowed not to wear masks but if they still think that they have to wear them for their own added protection then they should wear them at all times. Someone might think that he's not fully protected through vaccine but it has a high efficacy that's why being vaccinated with a complete dose increases your immunity to the virus. And if a casino considers fully vaccinated people to be well protected and lessen the possibility of being infected and becoming the carrier, it's their rules inside their premises and for those vaccinated folks entering the premises, they're privileged.

I guess I missed on focusing that this concept is of the privileges of fully vaccinated customers. Although we cannot ignore the fact that even people who are vaccinated are still subject and susceptible to be infected with the virus but with lesser complicated symptoms. I just hope that when an outbreak occurs inside a casino, the management will take full responsibility of it.

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I think that being fully vaccinated is not a ground to be allowed to not wear mask anymore, to ease up on protocols. A person is not guaranteed to be fully protected from being infected of Covid virus even if fully vaccinated. In my opinion, casinos and people themselves must abide to any possible layer of protection that there is to really protect not just oneself but also people around us.

It's just a privilege for those fully vaccinated that they are allowed not to wear masks but if they still think that they have to wear them for their own added protection then they should wear them at all times. Someone might think that he's not fully protected through vaccine but it has a high efficacy that's why being vaccinated with a complete dose increases your immunity to the virus. And if a casino considers fully vaccinated people to be well protected and lessen the possibility of being infected and becoming the carrier, it's their rules inside their premises and for those vaccinated folks entering the premises, they're privileged.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 08, 2021, 12:01:59 PM

That is one way to see it, it seems I am looking at the glass as half empty while you are looking at it as half full, this could be a measure that could make people to get vaccinated in order to go back to their previous lives, but the issue is that many of those that are not vaccinated also want to go back to that but they will still refuse to take the vaccine so they will either lie about it or maybe even use forgery to create fake documents to make it seem as if they have been vaccinated, something that will be detrimental to the efforts we are all making to reach heard immunity.

I think that being fully vaccinated is not a ground to be allowed to not wear mask anymore, to ease up on protocols. A person is not guaranteed to be fully protected from being infected of Covid virus even if fully vaccinated. In my opinion, casinos and people themselves must abide to any possible layer of protection that there is to really protect not just oneself but also people around us.

avoiding being exposed to the virus is better than we have to treat if infected, in my country they even seem to feel more afraid of being vaccinated than getting infected with the corona virus Grin

, and I don't know the reason why, many countries now require their citizens to vaccinate by adding punishment for residents who refuse the vaccination, in my personal opinion, by vaccinating us it does not mean that we will avoid the virus, so it is better to continue to apply the health protocols even though we have been injected with vaccinations to maintain our health.

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Quote from: Betwrong on July 07, 2021, 05:06:18 AM

I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

Do we really know why they are declining to get vaccinated? I mean all the people I have seen that decline it so far are saying they do it because they are not sure about the long term impacts of the vaccination if they get it, however that doesn't make sense, to not get a vaccination for health reason? Really? I mean even though we really do not know 5-10 years down the road what this vaccination may do, it is obvious that it is not really that different from a flu shot, which people get a lot easier without a problem, it is just a harsher version of that same thing, and flu shot has nothing wrong in the long term impact to body neither.

However even if that is the case, what would you rather have? A deadly virus today or a potential of illness in 10 years? I rather get the shot and literally have cancer in 10 years compared to dying today from this virus. I just don't get why people do not get vaccination when the other side is so horrible while getting vaccinated is so much better.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 08, 2021, 12:01:59 PM

That is one way to see it, it seems I am looking at the glass as half empty while you are looking at it as half full, this could be a measure that could make people to get vaccinated in order to go back to their previous lives, but the issue is that many of those that are not vaccinated also want to go back to that but they will still refuse to take the vaccine so they will either lie about it or maybe even use forgery to create fake documents to make it seem as if they have been vaccinated, something that will be detrimental to the efforts we are all making to reach heard immunity.

I think that being fully vaccinated is not a ground to be allowed to not wear mask anymore, to ease up on protocols. A person is not guaranteed to be fully protected from being infected of Covid virus even if fully vaccinated. In my opinion, casinos and people themselves must abide to any possible layer of protection that there is to really protect not just oneself but also people around us.

It should be but it seems they are trying out on the efficacy of the said vaccine and believing and trusting up that much on where they do end up with that idea on not wearing any protection.
I cant just really be that too careless on doing that since vaccine doesnt give out 100% safety for you on not to get infected and to think that there are other variant of the virus
which it would be still counting as a risk and i cant just afford to be that confident on not wearing any protection.If others are way too trusting on said vaccines
then its their choice but they shouldnt regret if they got still infected later on.

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This is something we can't know for sure about, and that's why people running public places, including the casinos in Vegas, should be very cautious these days. It's better to stay closed for some time more, and thus lose money, than be earning money and contributing in the spread of the infection at the same time.

But we should always remember that in a greater degree it all depends on us, regular people, than on public places owners. We can simply not be going there regardless of whether it's allowed or not.

That would be the best case scenario but it is doubtful it is going to happen, after all businesses are desperate to open again and they also want their clients to feel at ease which is why Las Vegas casinos are allowing people to not make use of masks anymore on their establishments as long as they have been vaccinated, I hope the worst case scenario of a new strain resistant to the virus does not happen because if it does then it is likely that we will go back to the lockdown phase and I think everyone is tired of it.

I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

That is one way to see it, it seems I am looking at the glass as half empty while you are looking at it as half full, this could be a measure that could make people to get vaccinated in order to go back to their previous lives, but the issue is that many of those that are not vaccinated also want to go back to that but they will still refuse to take the vaccine so they will either lie about it or maybe even use forgery to create fake documents to make it seem as if they have been vaccinated, something that will be detrimental to the efforts we are all making to reach heard immunity.

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This is something we can't know for sure about, and that's why people running public places, including the casinos in Vegas, should be very cautious these days. It's better to stay closed for some time more, and thus lose money, than be earning money and contributing in the spread of the infection at the same time.

But we should always remember that in a greater degree it all depends on us, regular people, than on public places owners. We can simply not be going there regardless of whether it's allowed or not.

That would be the best case scenario but it is doubtful it is going to happen, after all businesses are desperate to open again and they also want their clients to feel at ease which is why Las Vegas casinos are allowing people to not make use of masks anymore on their establishments as long as they have been vaccinated, I hope the worst case scenario of a new strain resistant to the virus does not happen because if it does then it is likely that we will go back to the lockdown phase and I think everyone is tired of it.

I've been thinking about this, and here's another angle to look from on Vegas casinos allowing fully vaccinated ppl inside without masks.

Scientists say 70% to 85% is needed to be vaccinated to suppress the virus, or, in other words, to reach herd immunity. Only 11.5% of the world population is fully vaccinated so far, and even in the US this number is below 50% currently. There are studies saying that "A significant portion of the U.S. population will likely refuse to get vaccinated.". Which means people should be incentivized to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and in that case Vegas casinos are doing a good job in this field.

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Actually now we learn the importance of wearing mask and not only for keeping safe from Covid Virus infection but also for cleaner air we breath .

However, most of people wear cheap masks, that only protect from a direct contact of bacteria and human breathing pipes. Plus it is not recommended to wear mask for more than few hours; they should be changed regularly. And what people do? Put on a cheap mask and wear it for weeks.

You say that through mask people breath with a cleaner air? How can that be possible? Such masks should have built in charcoal air filter and be bulky. Put on a mask, come near smoky cars pipe and try to breath. Will you get a cleaner air?

Where are you getting this "it is not recommended to wear masks for more than few hours" thing.

Do you think opposite and think that it is good to wear this for more than a day? Will you wear it for a whole day? It can be worn for a whole day, but you should not take it off. But how most people do - put on mask, touch things around, put off mask and put it in the pocket with bacterial hands, then put it on again, then put off and etc. By the end of the day there will be a whole periodic table on the mask Cheesy

I did not say "it is not recommended to wear masks for more than few hours" only. Re-read my post. I have said that it is not recommended to wear one and the same mask for hours. It should be changed regularly. You have mentioned doctors - ok. They don't use same gloves for whole day, they change it with every patient. Same is with the mask, they must be changed regularly.

P.S. Why do you even quote me? Look a the guy I've quoted. He said that wearing masks creates clean air. This is more illogical. Or you agree that if everybody puts on the masks, we will make environmental more clear? Maybe we should put on huge masks on factory pipes then?

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