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Quote from: Kasabus on July 02, 2021, 05:28:51 PM

It's a suicide going to a place where you know people have a virus and you go there without protection, that's being stupid and irresponsible.

Then it's up to people now no matter how light the restriction that an establishment imposed.

Like in the topic, Vegas casinos now allowed people not to wear facemasks as long as they are vaccinated. It's a thing that Vegas reconsiders and it's up to people if they will follow or not.

We are still the ones who should decide what's good for us. If we think it's still necessary to wear a facemask then just do it.

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Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/27/will-vaccines-protect-us-against-the-delta-variant

There are also concerns that current vaccines are less able to protect against the variant, although the latest PHE figures suggest two doses of either vaccine are still highly effective against hospitalization: 96% for Pfizer/BioNTech and 92% for Oxford/AstraZeneca.

In simple words: if vaccinated, even if you catch Delta, the chances of ending up in the hospital are extremely low.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care though. As I said in my earlier post: I don't think going to public places, including casinos, is a good idea these days, even if you are fully vaccinated. But, imo, we should avoid unnecessary panic by all means.

This is good news, the whole selling point of getting vaccinated is not that we are not going to get the virus, that will happen to everyone eventually, but the fact the vaccine helps you to fight the virus and reduces the intensity of the symptoms and helps us to avoid getting hospitalized, however if this continues and poor countries are unable to get the vaccine how long it will take until a new strain appears that is immune to the vaccine and it is even more aggressive?

This is something we can't know for sure about, and that's why people running public places, including the casinos in Vegas, should be very cautious these days. It's better to stay closed for some time more, and thus lose money, than be earning money and contributing in the spread of the infection at the same time.

But we should always remember that in a greater degree it all depends on us, regular people, than on public places owners. We can simply not be going there regardless of whether it's allowed or not.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on July 02, 2021, 07:49:58 PM

About the poor countries, it will longer than we except before the vaccine will reach the poor countries but I am sure the WHO are using capacity to make sure some few in those countries get the vaccine.

The WHO is suffering from their own bad planning. According to their COVAX scheme, the developing nations were to receive hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccines by now. But the shipments were halted in March, when India banned vaccine exports due to rising number of infections in that country. The WHO didn't had any backup plan other than the manufacturers in India and therefore the poor nations had to procure the doses from other suppliers. Many of them opted for the useless Chinese vaccines, which proved to be another blunder.

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Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/27/will-vaccines-protect-us-against-the-delta-variant

There are also concerns that current vaccines are less able to protect against the variant, although the latest PHE figures suggest two doses of either vaccine are still highly effective against hospitalization: 96% for Pfizer/BioNTech and 92% for Oxford/AstraZeneca.

In simple words: if vaccinated, even if you catch Delta, the chances of ending up in the hospital are extremely low.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care though. As I said in my earlier post: I don't think going to public places, including casinos, is a good idea these days, even if you are fully vaccinated. But, imo, we should avoid unnecessary panic by all means.

This is good news, the whole selling point of getting vaccinated is not that we are not going to get the virus, that will happen to everyone eventually, but the fact the vaccine helps you to fight the virus and reduces the intensity of the symptoms and helps us to avoid getting hospitalized, however if this continues and poor countries are unable to get the vaccine how long it will take until a new strain appears that is immune to the vaccine and it is even more aggressive?

It won't be nice for the Vegas casinos owner to rely only the vaccine alone to curb the spread of the virus because the people that are fully vaccinated have the immune to fight against the virus because some people will abuse the spare of mask using for the people that are fully vaccine.

About the poor countries, it will longer than we except before the vaccine will reach the poor countries but I am sure the WHO are using capacity to make sure some few in those countries get the vaccine.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 02, 2021, 05:28:51 PM

It's a suicide going to a place where you know people have a virus and you go there without protection, that's being stupid and irresponsible. I think this kind of violation needs to have serious sanctions if one is prevented to be roaming around with fake cards or certifications, they are just creating danger while the government is working hard to eliminate the problem.

That's right, their focus should be on finding, taking down, and punishing those who make fake passports or vaccination certificates. They must be held accountable for the wrong they have done, they are no longer helping but they are adding to the problem. That's why I avoid crowded places like the lottery booth and just put up with gambling on the smartphone.

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Vaccine passports can't be faked. And I don't think that someone will try to fake it, just to gain access to a casino without mask requirement.

Lol, you're joking? "fake vaccine cards" is the first in google search, lol.

Here some news links about it - https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/yes-some-people-really-are-faking-their-covid-vaccine-cards
And Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-22/fake-covid-vaccine-cards-paper-format-open-to-outright-fraud

There is a lot of fake passports and even more people that don't want to vaccinate and ready to buy such shit. And yeah, i'm for 100 % sure that trough gamblers there also a lot of such people.

It's a suicide going to a place where you know people have a virus and you go there without protection, that's being stupid and irresponsible. I think this kind of violation needs to have serious sanctions if one is prevented to be roaming around with fake cards or certifications, they are just creating danger while the government is working hard to eliminate the problem.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 29, 2021, 03:31:44 AM

Vaccine passports can't be faked. And I don't think that someone will try to fake it, just to gain access to a casino without mask requirement.

Lol, you're joking? "fake vaccine cards" is the first in google search, lol.

Here some news links about it - https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/yes-some-people-really-are-faking-their-covid-vaccine-cards
And Bloomberg: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-22/fake-covid-vaccine-cards-paper-format-open-to-outright-fraud

There is a lot of fake passports and even more people that don't want to vaccinate and ready to buy such shit. And yeah, i'm for 100 % sure that trough gamblers there also a lot of such people.

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Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/27/will-vaccines-protect-us-against-the-delta-variant

There are also concerns that current vaccines are less able to protect against the variant, although the latest PHE figures suggest two doses of either vaccine are still highly effective against hospitalization: 96% for Pfizer/BioNTech and 92% for Oxford/AstraZeneca.

In simple words: if vaccinated, even if you catch Delta, the chances of ending up in the hospital are extremely low.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care though. As I said in my earlier post: I don't think going to public places, including casinos, is a good idea these days, even if you are fully vaccinated. But, imo, we should avoid unnecessary panic by all means.

This is good news, the whole selling point of getting vaccinated is not that we are not going to get the virus, that will happen to everyone eventually, but the fact the vaccine helps you to fight the virus and reduces the intensity of the symptoms and helps us to avoid getting hospitalized, however if this continues and poor countries are unable to get the vaccine how long it will take until a new strain appears that is immune to the vaccine and it is even more aggressive?

As the demand for the vaccine is for everyone, I'm sure it will become cheap that everyone could afford, especially the poor countries. Actually, they don't need to spend, if they have an ally with big countries, they will just have to wait and receive the donation and they'll get their people vaccinated, although not as fast as the rich countries but we can see the help coming.

And that's whats currently happening in our country on where there are donations do came from allied countries and getting those vaccines but of course the government would really be spending up

something since they do have budget to do so but when budget depletes then that's the time they do took some loan on other countries or just simply getting donations from them.

Also, not all would really be getting the benefit of vaccination as this would only prioritize into those people who cant afford such shot which its really understandable and a pretty
normal thing to be done.

But even we are already fully vaccinated, I'm not confident of roaming around going to casinos or anywhere because it might possible that you can be a carrier of the said virus and possibly it will be transferred to another person especially when we have kids in your house. Maybe we don't have to reach that point and we still need to be carefull until the situation will stop or until everyone get vaccinated.

Very possible, and the government already sees that that's why it's only done in big countries as they have a high rate of vaccination already. They know that the only way to go back to normal life is to get everyone vaccinated, I wouldn't be surprised if they'll make it a law to make everyone complied with getting vaccinated.

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Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/27/will-vaccines-protect-us-against-the-delta-variant

There are also concerns that current vaccines are less able to protect against the variant, although the latest PHE figures suggest two doses of either vaccine are still highly effective against hospitalization: 96% for Pfizer/BioNTech and 92% for Oxford/AstraZeneca.

In simple words: if vaccinated, even if you catch Delta, the chances of ending up in the hospital are extremely low.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care though. As I said in my earlier post: I don't think going to public places, including casinos, is a good idea these days, even if you are fully vaccinated. But, imo, we should avoid unnecessary panic by all means.

This is good news, the whole selling point of getting vaccinated is not that we are not going to get the virus, that will happen to everyone eventually, but the fact the vaccine helps you to fight the virus and reduces the intensity of the symptoms and helps us to avoid getting hospitalized, however if this continues and poor countries are unable to get the vaccine how long it will take until a new strain appears that is immune to the vaccine and it is even more aggressive?

As the demand for the vaccine is for everyone, I'm sure it will become cheap that everyone could afford, especially the poor countries. Actually, they don't need to spend, if they have an ally with big countries, they will just have to wait and receive the donation and they'll get their people vaccinated, although not as fast as the rich countries but we can see the help coming.

And that's whats currently happening in our country on where there are donations do came from allied countries and getting those vaccines but of course the government would really be spending up

something since they do have budget to do so but when budget depletes then that's the time they do took some loan on other countries or just simply getting donations from them.

Also, not all would really be getting the benefit of vaccination as this would only prioritize into those people who cant afford such shot which its really understandable and a pretty
normal thing to be done.

But even we are already fully vaccinated, I'm not confident of roaming around going to casinos or anywhere because it might possible that you can be a carrier of the said virus and possibly it will be transferred to another person especially when we have kids in your house. Maybe we don't have to reach that point and we still need to be carefull until the situation will stop or until everyone get vaccinated.

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Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/27/will-vaccines-protect-us-against-the-delta-variant

There are also concerns that current vaccines are less able to protect against the variant, although the latest PHE figures suggest two doses of either vaccine are still highly effective against hospitalization: 96% for Pfizer/BioNTech and 92% for Oxford/AstraZeneca.

In simple words: if vaccinated, even if you catch Delta, the chances of ending up in the hospital are extremely low.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care though. As I said in my earlier post: I don't think going to public places, including casinos, is a good idea these days, even if you are fully vaccinated. But, imo, we should avoid unnecessary panic by all means.

This is good news, the whole selling point of getting vaccinated is not that we are not going to get the virus, that will happen to everyone eventually, but the fact the vaccine helps you to fight the virus and reduces the intensity of the symptoms and helps us to avoid getting hospitalized, however if this continues and poor countries are unable to get the vaccine how long it will take until a new strain appears that is immune to the vaccine and it is even more aggressive?

As the demand for the vaccine is for everyone, I'm sure it will become cheap that everyone could afford, especially the poor countries. Actually, they don't need to spend, if they have an ally with big countries, they will just have to wait and receive the donation and they'll get their people vaccinated, although not as fast as the rich countries but we can see the help coming.

And that's whats currently happening in our country on where there are donations do came from allied countries and getting those vaccines but of course the government would really be spending up

something since they do have budget to do so but when budget depletes then that's the time they do took some loan on other countries or just simply getting donations from them.

Also, not all would really be getting the benefit of vaccination as this would only prioritize into those people who cant afford such shot which its really understandable and a pretty
normal thing to be done.

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Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/27/will-vaccines-protect-us-against-the-delta-variant

There are also concerns that current vaccines are less able to protect against the variant, although the latest PHE figures suggest two doses of either vaccine are still highly effective against hospitalization: 96% for Pfizer/BioNTech and 92% for Oxford/AstraZeneca.

In simple words: if vaccinated, even if you catch Delta, the chances of ending up in the hospital are extremely low.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care though. As I said in my earlier post: I don't think going to public places, including casinos, is a good idea these days, even if you are fully vaccinated. But, imo, we should avoid unnecessary panic by all means.

This is good news, the whole selling point of getting vaccinated is not that we are not going to get the virus, that will happen to everyone eventually, but the fact the vaccine helps you to fight the virus and reduces the intensity of the symptoms and helps us to avoid getting hospitalized, however if this continues and poor countries are unable to get the vaccine how long it will take until a new strain appears that is immune to the vaccine and it is even more aggressive?

As the demand for the vaccine is for everyone, I'm sure it will become cheap that everyone could afford, especially the poor countries. Actually, they don't need to spend, if they have an ally with big countries, they will just have to wait and receive the donation and they'll get their people vaccinated, although not as fast as the rich countries but we can see the help coming.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 30, 2021, 06:11:53 AM

Quote from: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/27/will-vaccines-protect-us-against-the-delta-variant

There are also concerns that current vaccines are less able to protect against the variant, although the latest PHE figures suggest two doses of either vaccine are still highly effective against hospitalization: 96% for Pfizer/BioNTech and 92% for Oxford/AstraZeneca.

In simple words: if vaccinated, even if you catch Delta, the chances of ending up in the hospital are extremely low.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care though. As I said in my earlier post: I don't think going to public places, including casinos, is a good idea these days, even if you are fully vaccinated. But, imo, we should avoid unnecessary panic by all means.

This is good news, the whole selling point of getting vaccinated is not that we are not going to get the virus, that will happen to everyone eventually, but the fact the vaccine helps you to fight the virus and reduces the intensity of the symptoms and helps us to avoid getting hospitalized, however if this continues and poor countries are unable to get the vaccine how long it will take until a new strain appears that is immune to the vaccine and it is even more aggressive?

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Quote from: bhadz on July 02, 2021, 09:27:35 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 01, 2021, 06:32:52 PM

But nevertheless, infections occur even in those countries where the inhabitants are almost all vaccinated (Israel for example), and if we wait a few more generations of mutations, then I am sure the benefits of the vaccine will be generally zero.

There's already a herd immunity on Israel but you're right, there are still some cases but those are isolated and everyone can continue living peacefully and made their lives back again. It's all up to everyone how we're going to battle against this virus.
As long as you're doing something for yourself to avoid being infected, that should help you and sustain your health.

Theoretically (at least in history it has always been this way) with mutations, the virus loses its strength, so the longer we survive, the less chance of dying from infection. So, in fact, you do not need to invent anything new, you just need to monitor your immunity and wait. And it is natural not to neglect preventive measures and, if possible, limit your social life (reducing the likelihood of infection).

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There's already a herd immunity on Israel but you're right, there are still some cases but those are isolated and everyone can continue living peacefully and made their lives back again. It's all up to everyone how we're going to battle against this virus.
As long as you're doing something for yourself to avoid being infected, that should help you and sustain your health.

in some countries, it seems herd immunity is being carried out openly
even the use of masks is no longer encouraged so the number has decreased drastically when compared to last year

I still force my friends and family to keep wearing masks wherever they are because we don't know when our bad luck will arrive
have been vaccinated or not, both have a great potential for exposure, so take care of yourself with a mask

I agree that we should still get used to continuing to use masks, because there is no guarantee of a vaccine that protects up to 100%.
In my environment there are still many people who are still infected even though they have received the vaccine. This proves that we must
do everything possible to avoid the corona virus. And it would be better if we don't just use masks, but don't forget to wash our hands often
and make sure we keep our distance from other people everywhere. After all, the pandemic hasn't ended yet so don't let our guard down,
we have to be careful in living life right now.

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Quote from: bhadz on July 02, 2021, 09:27:35 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 01, 2021, 06:32:52 PM

Quote from: bhadz on July 01, 2021, 05:25:06 PM

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There's already a herd immunity on Israel but you're right, there are still some cases but those are isolated and everyone can continue living peacefully and made their lives back again. It's all up to everyone how we're going to battle against this virus.
As long as you're doing something for yourself to avoid being infected, that should help you and sustain your health.

in some countries, it seems herd immunity is being carried out openly
even the use of masks is no longer encouraged so the number has decreased drastically when compared to last year

I still force my friends and family to keep wearing masks wherever they are because we don't know when our bad luck will arrive
have been vaccinated or not, both have a great potential for exposure, so take care of yourself with a mask

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 01, 2021, 06:32:52 PM

Quote from: bhadz on July 01, 2021, 05:25:06 PM

Those vaccines got different immunity and effect on the people that will take the shot. As long as there's going to be an immunity that will happen after the shot then it shall help to create herd immunity that's needed by every population by the world.
Some countries have already taken that immunity because most of their citizens were already vaccinated.

But nevertheless, infections occur even in those countries where the inhabitants are almost all vaccinated (Israel for example), and if we wait a few more generations of mutations, then I am sure the benefits of the vaccine will be generally zero.

There's already a herd immunity on Israel but you're right, there are still some cases but those are isolated and everyone can continue living peacefully and made their lives back again. It's all up to everyone how we're going to battle against this virus.
As long as you're doing something for yourself to avoid being infected, that should help you and sustain your health.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 01, 2021, 11:52:32 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 01, 2021, 06:32:52 PM

I think that the presence of mutations makes vaccination meaningless. The situation is similar with influenza - vaccination is required for each strain. But given the riskiness of the covid vaccine and the potential side effects, I prefer to rely on natural immunity.

Even with the mutated strains, vaccinated people are better off. The efficacy may be lower when compared to the original strain, but still the vaccine will provide some sort of immunity. The data on COVID deaths recently released by the Indian government proves it. More than 90% of the deaths during the second wave occurred among those who refused to take vaccines. And Sputnik and Pfizer are in the final stages of creating special booster shots to take care of these strains. But then, it is up to the individual to chose between vaccine and natural immunity.

Unfortunately, this choice becomes not at all voluntary. I see that in many countries there are places/services that can be accessed only upon presentation of documents on vaccination or documents on the presence of antibodies. In my country, the number of such places is growing rapidly, and from the point of view of the law, it all looks dubious, but who is interested in the law during a "pandemic".

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 01, 2021, 06:32:52 PM

I think that the presence of mutations makes vaccination meaningless. The situation is similar with influenza - vaccination is required for each strain. But given the riskiness of the covid vaccine and the potential side effects, I prefer to rely on natural immunity.

Even with the mutated strains, vaccinated people are better off. The efficacy may be lower when compared to the original strain, but still the vaccine will provide some sort of immunity. The data on COVID deaths recently released by the Indian government proves it. More than 90% of the deaths during the second wave occurred among those who refused to take vaccines. And Sputnik and Pfizer are in the final stages of creating special booster shots to take care of these strains. But then, it is up to the individual to chose between vaccine and natural immunity.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 01, 2021, 02:44:35 PM

The fact that we have different information is understandable - everyone (even the most supposedly competent specialists and organizations) change their minds very quickly these days. Even to remember about masks - WHO has changed its opinion several times about whether they are needed or not. As for vaccines, in my country the "vaccine" SputnikV was first presented as a vaccine providing lifelong immunity, then the period was gradually reduced and now it is officially announced that after some time (presumably 6 months) revaccination will be required.

There are two factors in play here. First of all, immunity provided by the vaccine may last somewhere between 12 to 60 months. So you need to get vaccinated after this period. Now it is up to the government to decide whether you need a booster shot after 12 months, or 60 months (or some duration in between). And now the second factor is the emergence of mutated strains. Current bunch of vaccines are showing limited efficacy against these strains. Some of the vaccine manufacturers have already created specific booster shots against the mutated strains. If you want full protection, then you need to take these shots.

I think that the presence of mutations makes vaccination meaningless. The situation is similar with influenza - vaccination is required for each strain. But given the riskiness of the covid vaccine and the potential side effects, I prefer to rely on natural immunity.

Quote from: bhadz on July 01, 2021, 05:25:06 PM

Those vaccines got different immunity and effect on the people that will take the shot. As long as there's going to be an immunity that will happen after the shot then it shall help to create herd immunity that's needed by every population by the world.
Some countries have already taken that immunity because most of their citizens were already vaccinated.

But nevertheless, infections occur even in those countries where the inhabitants are almost all vaccinated (Israel for example), and if we wait a few more generations of mutations, then I am sure the benefits of the vaccine will be generally zero.

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Quote from: freedomgo on July 01, 2021, 05:34:16 PM

There's no question with that, a person who understands how the vaccine work would know that he can get infected anytime, however, he will not feel ill because he already has the vaccine that will protect his body from reacting against the virus.

That's what others don't get. They think vaccinated people will be fully protected from the virus not knowing that it will minimize instead the effect of having the virus unlike before when the vaccine isn't still out.

It's like enhancing our anti-bodies so that even we got infected with the virus, we do have an army inside to battle with it.

Even vaccinated, keep the habit of using other safety measures, such as wearing a facemask. Even without the pandemic happened, it's really a good habit to wear one, especially in public places.

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