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Gamblers has this mentality of being desperate in everything from money to happiness so that is why they can still gamble even though they can be infected by this killer virus.

Hope that people may realized how dangerous this can be .

People can easily get fake documents to go somewhere they want.
As long as they can pay for creating fake documents about their health, they can go anywhere without worry about checking the health officers.
Maybe that is because the awareness from those people will not too high compare to the people who really care about their health so those people use the wrong way to achieve what they want.
I doubt if they will follow the health protocols that their government has given because they really do not care about what happened around them.

Who told you that Covid vaccine document can easily be faked? i don't know in your country but in mine? there is no possibilities that you can do such because the people around this area are very strict on every people that they have vaccinated because the data is very important for the President .

You are lucky to live in a country where COVID vaccine documents are difficult to forge, because of the fact that some third world countries are
very easy to fake COVID vaccine documents. It is true that the COVID vaccine document data should be very important and its authenticity
must be maintained, so that the government can easily make decisions regarding pandemic policies. But in third world countries, money has
enabled people to do anything, even if they forge COVID vaccine documents.

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I have a question here. What if the individual falsely claims that he is fully vaccinated? Here in India, we had a few cases where air travelers submitted fake RT-PCR test results to claim that they are COVID negative (although their tests had returned positive results). So is it that difficult to create fake documents to show that the individual is vaccinated? I know that the system in the United States is much better than what we have in India. But still, loopholes will always be there, which will be exploited by criminal minded people.

Very possible, there are people who are ready taking that kind of risk,

Knowing that even the government have rules about this kind of case. They are still willing to break it if chance permits them, placing more people in danger as this virus can easily spread. No doubts that US have better ways but criminal minds or people who are desperate can still go ahead and do this willingly.

Gamblers has this mentality of being desperate in everything from money to happiness so that is why they can still gamble even though they can be infected by this killer virus.

Hope that people may realized how dangerous this can be .

People can easily get fake documents to go somewhere they want.
As long as they can pay for creating fake documents about their health, they can go anywhere without worry about checking the health officers.
Maybe that is because the awareness from those people will not too high compare to the people who really care about their health so those people use the wrong way to achieve what they want.
I doubt if they will follow the health protocols that their government has given because they really do not care about what happened around them.

Who told you that Covid vaccine document can easily be faked? i don't know in your country but in mine? there is no possibilities that you can do such because the people around this area are very strict on every people that they have vaccinated because the data is very important for the President .

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Vaccination passports are initially a disgusting idea and I don't care how it will be buried - by the prohibition of the adequate authorities or by sabotage (forgery of passports) by the population. I heard that in one of the US states, the governor imposed a fine for organizations of $ 5,000 for the very fact of the question of vaccinating a visitor.

I, like you, think that the vaccination passport is evil.

In my opinion vaccination is purely voluntary, so no one has the right to infringe on people's rights to move freely, even if they don't want to be vaccinated for some reason. I believe that a person wearing a mask should have all the same rights as a person with a vaccination certificate. But unfortunately we have seen the opposite trend lately.

If we take into account the peculiarities of the country in which we live, then compulsory vaccination has even more monstrous shades Wink

Quote from: bhadz on June 29, 2021, 05:26:16 PM

I don't like the idea either but that seem to be their solution to know who are those vaccinated and not yet vaccinated. But there's such a division with this idea because whoever gets the vaccine, they're allowed to go on and proceed while those that haven't taken the shot, they won't be prioritized or passed on. That's very hard for those that haven't taken the vaccine but the only solution is to be vaccinated. But yeah, these vaccine passports are also prone to being faked by those who wants to bypass being vaccinated.

You are mistaken, I would not like to start a discussion about vaccines here, but it has already been established that they are practically useless against rapidly mutating viruses, and even those who have been vaccinated can become infected and die. In addition, they have a short-term impact, if you are ready to get vaccinated every six months then I am not. And I am not ready to endure infringement of rights for medical reasons.

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 29, 2021, 11:37:14 AM

Vaccination passports are initially a disgusting idea and I don't care how it will be buried - by the prohibition of the adequate authorities or by sabotage (forgery of passports) by the population. I heard that in one of the US states, the governor imposed a fine for organizations of $ 5,000 for the very fact of the question of vaccinating a visitor.

I don't like the idea either but that seem to be their solution to know who are those vaccinated and not yet vaccinated. But there's such a division with this idea because whoever gets the vaccine, they're allowed to go on and proceed while those that haven't taken the shot, they won't be prioritized or passed on. That's very hard for those that haven't taken the vaccine but the only solution is to be vaccinated. But yeah, these vaccine passports are also prone to being faked by those who wants to bypass being vaccinated.

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Vaccine passports can't be faked. And I don't think that someone will try to fake it, just to gain access to a casino without mask requirement. If caught, he faces a jail term. However, I am not sure whether the individuals will be asked to produce their vaccine passports at the casino. In many cases, it maybe just the SMS message or an online document certifying the inoculation. On such instances, these messages and documents can be faked. But the larger question here is whether the vaccinated people should be allowed not to wear masks or not. And IMO, everyone should wear masks, irrespective of their vaccination status.

Vaccination passports are initially a disgusting idea and I don't care how it will be buried - by the prohibition of the adequate authorities or by sabotage (forgery of passports) by the population. I heard that in one of the US states, the governor imposed a fine for organizations of $ 5,000 for the very fact of the question of vaccinating a visitor.

I, like you, think that the vaccination passport is evil.

In my opinion vaccination is purely voluntary, so no one has the right to infringe on people's rights to move freely, even if they don't want to be vaccinated for some reason. I believe that a person wearing a mask should have all the same rights as a person with a vaccination certificate. But unfortunately we have seen the opposite trend lately.

Here on my country on where there are tendency that a certain citizen would got in prison if they wont really be taking some shot of the vaccine which i can say to be totally bullshit on forcing out someone on taking the vaccine even if they didnt want to.We do have the full rights when it comes to decisions that we do make in our own lives and this one specially regarding with health then it shouldnt really be something that could turn out to be mandatory since it wont already be humanitarian on forcing out people. On this situation then its up to someones choice even they got vaccinated then someone do decide to wear still some mask then its a personal choice and if this one turns out to be some trial then i wouldnt really be risking out my health just for this.Im just too scared on getting infected myself even got vaccinated.

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Vaccine passports can't be faked. And I don't think that someone will try to fake it, just to gain access to a casino without mask requirement. If caught, he faces a jail term. However, I am not sure whether the individuals will be asked to produce their vaccine passports at the casino. In many cases, it maybe just the SMS message or an online document certifying the inoculation. On such instances, these messages and documents can be faked. But the larger question here is whether the vaccinated people should be allowed not to wear masks or not. And IMO, everyone should wear masks, irrespective of their vaccination status.

Vaccination passports are initially a disgusting idea and I don't care how it will be buried - by the prohibition of the adequate authorities or by sabotage (forgery of passports) by the population. I heard that in one of the US states, the governor imposed a fine for organizations of $ 5,000 for the very fact of the question of vaccinating a visitor.

I, like you, think that the vaccination passport is evil.

In my opinion vaccination is purely voluntary, so no one has the right to infringe on people's rights to move freely, even if they don't want to be vaccinated for some reason. I believe that a person wearing a mask should have all the same rights as a person with a vaccination certificate. But unfortunately we have seen the opposite trend lately.

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The people who are vaccinated should not think that covid-19 cannot harm them. They can still get infected from covid-19 but there are chances that they will recover because they have antibodies in this body. The mask should be wear by both vaccinated and those who are not vaccinated. Its for our own safety.

It is unlikely that those that are vaccinated are going to keep wearing the mask after all many are taking the vaccine precisely because they want to return to their normal lives and be over with this nightmare, and taking into account that many countries are allowing those that are vaccinated to stop wearing the masks then this tendency is going to continue, and yes while they can still get sick with this virus the vaccine is there to lessen the intensity of the disease so people do not suffer grave symptoms.

We can't return to the normal lives until either the covid-19 is completely eliminated from the world or all of the world population is vaccinated. Both of these conditions seems impossible for now.
Therefore whether you are vaccinated or not, you should keep on wearing the masks all the time when you are outside and in public.

I have not been vaccinated because it is still not my turn but believe me I will keep wearing the mask however in many countries those that are vaccinated do not have to wear the mask anymore and now that people do not have the same fear and respect they had for the virus at the beginning of the pandemic it is unlikely they will do it if they are given the freedom to do so or not, after all we need to recognize it is uncomfortable to wear the mask and now that people feel safe they will be less inclined to do it.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 29, 2021, 03:31:44 AM

Vaccine passports can't be faked. And I don't think that someone will try to fake it, just to gain access to a casino without mask requirement. If caught, he faces a jail term. However, I am not sure whether the individuals will be asked to produce their vaccine passports at the casino. In many cases, it maybe just the SMS message or an online document certifying the inoculation. On such instances, these messages and documents can be faked. But the larger question here is whether the vaccinated people should be allowed not to wear masks or not. And IMO, everyone should wear masks, irrespective of their vaccination status.

Vaccination passports are initially a disgusting idea and I don't care how it will be buried - by the prohibition of the adequate authorities or by sabotage (forgery of passports) by the population. I heard that in one of the US states, the governor imposed a fine for organizations of $ 5,000 for the very fact of the question of vaccinating a visitor.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2021, 01:20:30 AM

I have a question here. What if the individual falsely claims that he is fully vaccinated? Here in India, we had a few cases where air travelers submitted fake RT-PCR test results to claim that they are COVID negative (although their tests had returned positive results). So is it that difficult to create fake documents to show that the individual is vaccinated? I know that the system in the United States is much better than what we have in India. But still, loopholes will always be there, which will be exploited by criminal minded people.

I think that they have some sort of vaccine passport that is probably authenticated and really hard to fake not to mention that there's probably a big fine or infractions to someone who fakes a government document, I think that it's even probably a federal offense or something so I don't think that people are probably going to take the risk of faking it just to gamble.

Vaccine passports can't be faked. And I don't think that someone will try to fake it, just to gain access to a casino without mask requirement. If caught, he faces a jail term. However, I am not sure whether the individuals will be asked to produce their vaccine passports at the casino. In many cases, it maybe just the SMS message or an online document certifying the inoculation. On such instances, these messages and documents can be faked. But the larger question here is whether the vaccinated people should be allowed not to wear masks or not. And IMO, everyone should wear masks, irrespective of their vaccination status.

I heard that some dirty officers from the hospital give offers to people who want to travel to other cities or countries to give a letter free of Covid easily.
They can make a fake document that explains that a person can free travel or visit another city.
But for to go to the crowded place such as mall or casino, I do not think that will need the letter or passports because maybe the casino itself does not require that passports for people play gambling in their place.

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^ No one can get through or enter a casino that already requires players to be vaccinated if the casinos cooperate with the government to do the right job of the guards before their customer can enter, such as verifying whether it has been vaccinated. There is a sign if their passport is fake, so it can also be determined if the person assigned to that task is honest and does not dazzle with the money to be paid to get through.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 29, 2021, 03:31:44 AM

Vaccine passports can't be faked. And I don't think that someone will try to fake it, just to gain access to a casino without mask requirement. If caught, he faces a jail term. However, I am not sure whether the individuals will be asked to produce their vaccine passports at the casino. In many cases, it maybe just the SMS message or an online document certifying the inoculation. On such instances, these messages and documents can be faked. But the larger question here is whether the vaccinated people should be allowed not to wear masks or not. And IMO, everyone should wear masks, irrespective of their vaccination status.

That is also what believe because in My place there is a need to make a photo on the place with the person who injected you together with the government representative before you can have your vaccine passport.
this means there is a lot of proofs need so the chance of being faked is really small .

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 28, 2021, 05:50:34 AM

Overall I think most people in this thread would agree that allowing people without masks to enter casinos in Vegas is a bit premature. Even if they are right in general and most people are safe(if vaccinated) there are still risks, and taking those risks is not worth it. Want to gamble? Gamble online until things calm down.

Everyone is going to agree on that. Despite vaccines have been rolling out and even if we're the ones taking the shot and it's already two doses, we're not comfortable until the whole world is free from the virus. Online gambling is the choice but there will be gamblers for sure that will take this time to go to Vegas and happily going to gamble without any need to wear a mask. And that's going to be the talk of the town there by most of the gamblers who have finally meet each other.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2021, 01:20:30 AM

I have a question here. What if the individual falsely claims that he is fully vaccinated? Here in India, we had a few cases where air travelers submitted fake RT-PCR test results to claim that they are COVID negative (although their tests had returned positive results). So is it that difficult to create fake documents to show that the individual is vaccinated? I know that the system in the United States is much better than what we have in India. But still, loopholes will always be there, which will be exploited by criminal minded people.

Very possible, there are people who are ready taking that kind of risk,

Knowing that even the government have rules about this kind of case. They are still willing to break it if chance permits them, placing more people in danger as this virus can easily spread. No doubts that US have better ways but criminal minds or people who are desperate can still go ahead and do this willingly.

Gamblers has this mentality of being desperate in everything from money to happiness so that is why they can still gamble even though they can be infected by this killer virus.

Hope that people may realized how dangerous this can be .

People can easily get fake documents to go somewhere they want.
As long as they can pay for creating fake documents about their health, they can go anywhere without worry about checking the health officers.
Maybe that is because the awareness from those people will not too high compare to the people who really care about their health so those people use the wrong way to achieve what they want.
I doubt if they will follow the health protocols that their government has given because they really do not care about what happened around them.

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In most cases transferring the virus happened in close door meetings, those who already completed their vaccines have a better chance not to get any virus while those don't have are very prone being infected.

And not because you have the vaccines means that you can disregards the protocols. It's still better to follow and continue being well aware of the situation.

The risk still there as it isn't 100% that with vaccines you are already safe with covid19, we should always put our guards up.

I think that we should consider that even open door will be able to transfer and I think that whether it is an open door or a close door is just one of the factors for the spread of infection because I think the biggest reason would probably be the contact itself, I have been to close door and open door and as long as the contact is minimal and the individual is disinfected, I think that we will be able to mitigate the chance of infection.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2021, 01:20:30 AM

I have a question here. What if the individual falsely claims that he is fully vaccinated? Here in India, we had a few cases where air travelers submitted fake RT-PCR test results to claim that they are COVID negative (although their tests had returned positive results). So is it that difficult to create fake documents to show that the individual is vaccinated? I know that the system in the United States is much better than what we have in India. But still, loopholes will always be there, which will be exploited by criminal minded people.

I think that they have some sort of vaccine passport that is probably authenticated and really hard to fake not to mention that there's probably a big fine or infractions to someone who fakes a government document, I think that it's even probably a federal offense or something so I don't think that people are probably going to take the risk of faking it just to gamble.

Vaccine passports can't be faked. And I don't think that someone will try to fake it, just to gain access to a casino without mask requirement. If caught, he faces a jail term. However, I am not sure whether the individuals will be asked to produce their vaccine passports at the casino. In many cases, it maybe just the SMS message or an online document certifying the inoculation. On such instances, these messages and documents can be faked. But the larger question here is whether the vaccinated people should be allowed not to wear masks or not. And IMO, everyone should wear masks, irrespective of their vaccination status.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2021, 01:20:30 AM

I have a question here. What if the individual falsely claims that he is fully vaccinated? Here in India, we had a few cases where air travelers submitted fake RT-PCR test results to claim that they are COVID negative (although their tests had returned positive results). So is it that difficult to create fake documents to show that the individual is vaccinated? I know that the system in the United States is much better than what we have in India. But still, loopholes will always be there, which will be exploited by criminal minded people.

Very possible, there are people who are ready taking that kind of risk,

Knowing that even the government have rules about this kind of case. They are still willing to break it if chance permits them, placing more people in danger as this virus can easily spread. No doubts that US have better ways but criminal minds or people who are desperate can still go ahead and do this willingly.

Gamblers has this mentality of being desperate in everything from money to happiness so that is why they can still gamble even though they can be infected by this killer virus.

Hope that people may realized how dangerous this can be .

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2021, 01:20:30 AM

I have a question here. What if the individual falsely claims that he is fully vaccinated? Here in India, we had a few cases where air travelers submitted fake RT-PCR test results to claim that they are COVID negative (although their tests had returned positive results). So is it that difficult to create fake documents to show that the individual is vaccinated? I know that the system in the United States is much better than what we have in India. But still, loopholes will always be there, which will be exploited by criminal minded people.

Very possible, there are people who are ready taking that kind of risk,

Knowing that even the government have rules about this kind of case. They are still willing to break it if chance permits them, placing more people in danger as this virus can easily spread. No doubts that US have better ways but criminal minds or people who are desperate can still go ahead and do this willingly.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 29, 2021, 01:20:30 AM

I have a question here. What if the individual falsely claims that he is fully vaccinated? Here in India, we had a few cases where air travelers submitted fake RT-PCR test results to claim that they are COVID negative (although their tests had returned positive results). So is it that difficult to create fake documents to show that the individual is vaccinated? I know that the system in the United States is much better than what we have in India. But still, loopholes will always be there, which will be exploited by criminal minded people.

I think that they have some sort of vaccine passport that is probably authenticated and really hard to fake not to mention that there's probably a big fine or infractions to someone who fakes a government document, I think that it's even probably a federal offense or something so I don't think that people are probably going to take the risk of faking it just to gamble.

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I have a question here. What if the individual falsely claims that he is fully vaccinated? Here in India, we had a few cases where air travelers submitted fake RT-PCR test results to claim that they are COVID negative (although their tests had returned positive results). So is it that difficult to create fake documents to show that the individual is vaccinated? I know that the system in the United States is much better than what we have in India. But still, loopholes will always be there, which will be exploited by criminal minded people.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 28, 2021, 05:17:02 PM

This is true and specially now that there are new strains or variants of said virus which means those vaccines wont really be 100% effective or can really protect person for it not to get infected.

There is no mention by WHO that vaccines will give 100% protection. The vaccine's role is to add some additional line of defense so that in case we got infected, our body will able to handle it unlike before.

There's already a lot of case where a vaccinated person got the virus but it's like being a normal flu.

Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 28, 2021, 05:17:02 PM

If there are people who hadnt get infected with this kind of getting to normal
system?

I think the progress is good so far.

Come to think of it, for example, the NBA crowd is now back again and we can see the majority of the audience doesn't have any mask. Vegas casinos might have the same scenario.

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