Topic: [FUN] Is DdmrDdmr even human? - page 7. (Read 9946 times)

The question is not that good, sorry. In the same way they sleep while we're blinking, you will most probably won't notice a bot's vacation. They may have more vacations than humans and still be perceived as working 24/7.

Technically, I heard that rebooting and reloading is a thing.. maybe even troubleshooting the Algos happens from time to time..

I suppose you can call such "down time" whatever you like. 

It's a free country the last time I checked. 

By the way, I did not ask very many people (nor bots) regarding exact definitions of "free" or what is supposed to be "country."  We surely do live in "interesting times," if we can try to keep up.... Does anyone have time for vacation anymore?

If you look closely, the above table, you see that I took a vacation on 14/08/2022.
Does it qualifies me as a bot?
I don't know.

I guess my point was that my revised point is that the ability of the smerits to timely replenish expires after 30 days.. but what I really meant is that they fail to renew (replenish as NeuroticFish clarified)... .. So I might have gotten caught in my own dramatic attempt at effect when I said poof.. .. I might have to take that back.. hate to do it.. but admittedly it is seeming a bit inaccurate and misleading about what is happening... .. because surely there is a difference between failing to renew and completely disappearing.. so in that sense you may or may not have had a failure to replenish unless you fail to spend for more than 30 days, because my understanding is that when you do spend from your source merits, the oldest ones will get spent first.


You got a point there.


For sure, I did not want to suggest that you would be removed as a merit source based on long periods of inactivity.. but I was convoluting failing to replenish with decaying merits.. which I am not sure if decaying merits is actually anything that has been done - except if theymos ended up doing that manually... so you are likely right that they would just max out and then at some point if the issue persists in which you are not spending your source merits, theymos might determine to remove you as a merit source or to reduce your smerit allowance.  Up to his discretion, of course.


I felt that I had to let you know that this matter happens to be serious and with potentially serious consequences.


Ok. This is probably how I should have said it.. I admit.  I got carried away, and  I ended up suggesting that decay happens rather than mere failure to replenish.


That brings up a good question.  Is it possible that bots actually are able to get vacations?  

Don't feel alone, LoyceV.  

See the above "confirmed" list of the other forum bots provided by fillippone.

There are no holidays in the life of a merit source.
Everyday spending merits (certainly), everyday getting merits (hopefully).
At least, judging from the "Received Merit Streaks" from ddmrddmr Merit Dashboard, this has been my life during the last few years.

I think that if he doesn't use the merit source sMerit, it simply doesn't get replenished (i.e. remain with the max he can have), and that's all.
Does sMerit decay was actually implemented at all? Since I think it wasn't...


LOL!
If this never happens, then the (sad!) conclusion would be that there are no real holidays in LoyceV's life, or at least not long enough.

I haven't completely emptied my source sMerits for a while now, and they haven't expired

I expect it to be filled to 800 sMerits (or was it 850?).

I only expect that if theymos manually changes it, and I don't think I'd be removed as a Merit source after just one month of inactivity.

Lol

I don't disagree with anything that you are saying, except for the part of the source merit does actually "expire", "decay," "cease to exist" "kilt" or whatever other descriptor you would like to employ, if you do not use it in 30 days..

Yours are not "expiring" because you are using them prior to their "expiration" date. 

Try it out.   I dare you.

I double dare you.


 Try to NOT use your source merits in the next 30 days and see what happens to them?



I conjecture that they go "poof".. so even if you don't want to label such a happening as "expiring"  it seems pretty close to the same phenomena.

A rose by any other name and all of that.

 



Good luck.


Your results may vary.


try this at your own risk.



don't come crying to me, when your eye gets poked out.


 

I wouldn't say source sMerits expire. If I don't use them, they just stay in my account. But if I do use them, they're replenished exactly 30 days later. So you have 100 source sMerits to spend, and you spend them in the first day, you can do this (slightly over) 12 times per year (>1200 sMerits per year). If you spend 1 per day, you can do this forever, but you'll only spend 365 sMerits per year. My ideal spending (which I don't always reach) is spending them evenly throughout the month, keeping my source close to zero but with daily replenishments.

Ok.  I see what you are saying.  I think that I misread that tryninja link that I had posted in response to your post, because on a superficial level it had appeared to me that Paxmao tends to send his merits in short bursts rather than spreading them out - which tends to be closer to what I attempt to do (compare mine here), and yes from that "most generous" thread that you mentioned, since near the beginning of the merit system, Coin-1 (OP) has been attempting to identify who he believes to be merit source members based on the quantity of smerits that members were sending out and also if there might be other information in which some members claim (or admit) to be a merit source (or if there is information that they are NO longer a merit source).. so you are right about both Paxmao's recent quantity of smerits sent per month and his overall quantity of smerit sent causing him to be around 29th-ish on the overall list, which is the first post of the thread, that shows Paxmao to be suspected as a merit source.. of course, he is 29th on that list and his name is bolded.. so the inferences of his being a merit source is pretty strong, if that were the ONLY information to go by... but sure, there may be other sources of information as to when he became a merit source, as you mentioned.

Not at all. I'm fine with merits now. I have already made it to Hero and in time, I will slowly make it to Legendary, but the merits worried me a lot more when I had to climb from lower ranks than they do now.


I'm speaking from memory but I think years ago he applied for merit source from the local Spanish section, and it sounds to me like he was appointed. Looking online, I see that in June 2018 he was listed as the 29th most generous user and the last update was 27th. Maybe if he didn't spend a lot of merits, they reduced his allocation but he does seem to be a merit source.

The essence of the matter is that source smerits expire exactly 30 days after they are awarded if they are not used, so how frequently the source smerits come in for any merit source relates to his/her spending behavior, so if s/he spends in large chunks, then the smerits will come in in large chunks.... To me, it seems that it would be a bit easier to try to build a reasonable inference that merit source smerits are coming in rather than to try to figure out the more complicated case about whether such merit source had not been spending smerits fast enough in order that they are coming due to expire.

If you believe someone is a merit source, and if you are stalking such merit source (I am not recommending this), then you might be able to figure out how many smerits that s/he has coming available for spending at any given time just by looking at 30 days worth of merit spending history.  Another thing is that source merits get spent prior to regular merits, so it is a bit more difficult to know whether any specific smerit that had been spent had come from the source smerits or from the regular bank (and of course, regular bank smerits are not renewed but instead awarded 1/2 based on received smerits).

There are likely some additional tools (such as tryninja's merit tab) that are out there too for trying to verify source merits that might be available, but of course, you can also get some pretty good senses of how many source merits are coming available to merit source members just by looking at when their spent merits are 30 days old.

By the way, Paxmao's merit spending is not very high, so I have doubts about whether he is even a merit source..  He may well have just been spending from his smerit bank.  https://ninjastic.space/user/paxmao

Does anyone know if merit sources' smerits expired yesterday? Yesterday, apart from DdmrDdmr, paxmao gave me a few merits as well. I know he is also a merit source and that's why I was wondering, although being day 18 I find it strange, I guess it's a coincidence. In any case, 21 merits in one day is not bad.

Merit spree detected!

Merit Spree #28 by @ddmrddrmr
Official @ddmrddmr thread

Official Description:


later updated as:

My review:

All of a sudden, if felt a ripple in the force buzzing in my meritband.



It was an unexpected spree this one!

I see a few discrepancies compared to @ddmrddmr review:
I see 234 merited posts instead of 235, am I missing one?
Looking at the timing, @ddmrddmr said that it took him "just over X minutes", while in my computations it was "just under 4 minutes". ahah I was too quick this time? Not quick enough , I would say.

Looking at the most merited users in this round.

Here’s the TOP10:

Logging into the forum and accessing the first page to send merit should take 1 second each. The reason for this is that it is good practice to limit the rate you access pages via automation to one per second, which is a rate that Theymos has previously requested that members limit their scripts to.

Querying his db will take some non-zero amount of time.

Yeah probably this is a reasonable explanation.
Actually 3 seconds for all these operations look a lot to me, but I really I have no clue about how long does all these operations take.

Most likely, the discrepancy has to do with the time ddmrddmr spends running his script that does not involve the actual sending of merit. For example, querying his DB to find the posts he wants to merit, logging into the forum, and accessing the first page to merit the first post in his spree.

I had the feeling that I had received more merits this time and I see that this is the case, being the ones who have received the most, active members of the Spanish section, which, on the other hand, is normal for the time that DdmrDdmr spends there.

Congratulations to those who have been re-merited.

Oh c'mon you merit rascal, you can surely cope with lagging behind a little bit can't you, lol . Top ten for me this time, but must i have to share it with three other members .

Merit spree detected!

Merit Spree #27 by @ddmrddrmr
Official @ddmrddmr thread

Official Description:


My review:

We have called it, and it finally came.



This was an average round this time.
Looking at the timing, @ddmrddmr said that it took him "just over 3 minutes", while in my computations it was "just under 3 minutes".

Looking at the most merited users in this round.

Here’s the TOP20:


This time I am lagging behind!