Topic: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family - page 11. (Read 2058 times)
I have to say that is still his fault and he should not blame the gambling company sending him emails with bonuses and other related things,he knows that there is the "unsubscribe" button to not receive such emails and if he was truly determined to quit he should have also blocked all emails from gambling related companies.I think deep down in him he was waiting for this type of email and he was thinking,this is it,now I am going to win and recover all the lost money which led to this situation.
Is there a policy which doesn't allow marketing emails like O’Connell received? I think it is unfair for any company to just use their clients' emails for their promotion spams. It would be understandable if O’Connell himself chose to allow Boyle Sports for any bonus offers, newsletter, and updates. But it would be a big question if O’Connell didn't have the option to shut off all communications coming from Boyle Sports. It might even be a violation of privacy if these emails continue to flood O’Connell even if he already deactivated his gambling account.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
You're definitely correct. Though the most responsible for what happened is the man who got addicted to gambling. While fueling up his addiction was also wrong.
Gambling websites should've known better who gets addicted and whos not by looking at their gambling activities.
Gambling companies should have a team who will handle such cases. Though not required, but at least this could be an extra mile of service for any gambling companies instead og giving out free betting amount.
I do not think the gambling website is in fault here. When you register you are asked to accept the terms and conditions, that is where they mention that by accepting the t&c you are okay to receive promotional mails. Some website display the same information seperately. I am sure the gambler in question has opted for it and that is why he was sent the $50 as a come back bonus. Some physical casinos also do the same by asking gamblers to fill a questionnaire.
If the gambler wanted to quit gambling he should have unsubscribed from the email list of the casino. This would have prevented them from sending promotional emails. Therefore blaming the email is not correct in this scenario.
If the gambler wanted to quit gambling he should have unsubscribed from the email list of the casino. This would have prevented them from sending promotional emails. Therefore blaming the email is not correct in this scenario.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
I agree both of them are in the wrong and both of them should be held accountable for what happened. I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
reading that the sportsbook sent him 50 euros every time the gambler tried to close his account only shows that they don't want him to stop gambling even if the guy is trying. sportsbooks/casinos that operate like that are scums and their license should be revoked and confiscated. as for the gambler who scammed his family, that is entirely his fault, he could have gotten the money from other means but he decided to scam his family.
Man, I've heard more awful horror stories about gambling addiction.
In my country, a gambling addict killed his girlfriend, because she found out that he is stealing money from her, in order to gamble.
He cut her body into pieces and tried to deceive the police, but the police caught him. I understand that he was an addict, but what kind of sociopathic monster would kill own girlfriend, just because she found out that he was stealing money from her.
Many gambling and drug addicts had stolen money from their friends and families. I don't know who to blame in that case. The addicts? The gambling industry? Their friends and families, for not helping them fight their addiction? I guess that we have to put the blame on everyone.
We can't blame a knife for slicing our hands while peeling an apple, it's our fault for not using it carefully. In my opinion, the casino strategy to get money from gamblers is one thing that cannot be blamed, everyone can ignore the invitation and can even easily block it. So I think it's the gambler's fault why he can't control his urge to gamble and spend all his money.In my country, a gambling addict killed his girlfriend, because she found out that he is stealing money from her, in order to gamble.
He cut her body into pieces and tried to deceive the police, but the police caught him. I understand that he was an addict, but what kind of sociopathic monster would kill own girlfriend, just because she found out that he was stealing money from her.
Many gambling and drug addicts had stolen money from their friends and families. I don't know who to blame in that case. The addicts? The gambling industry? Their friends and families, for not helping them fight their addiction? I guess that we have to put the blame on everyone.
Be a responsible gambler, isn't that a warning that every gambler keeps reminding?
Man, I've heard more awful horror stories about gambling addiction.
In my country, a gambling addict killed his girlfriend, because she found out that he is stealing money from her, in order to gamble.
He cut her body into pieces and tried to deceive the police, but the police caught him. I understand that he was an addict, but what kind of sociopathic monster would kill own girlfriend, just because she found out that he was stealing money from her.
Many gambling and drug addicts had stolen money from their friends and families. I don't know who to blame in that case. The addicts? The gambling industry? Their friends and families, for not helping them fight their addiction? I guess that we have to put the blame on everyone.
In my country, a gambling addict killed his girlfriend, because she found out that he is stealing money from her, in order to gamble.
He cut her body into pieces and tried to deceive the police, but the police caught him. I understand that he was an addict, but what kind of sociopathic monster would kill own girlfriend, just because she found out that he was stealing money from her.
Many gambling and drug addicts had stolen money from their friends and families. I don't know who to blame in that case. The addicts? The gambling industry? Their friends and families, for not helping them fight their addiction? I guess that we have to put the blame on everyone.
-snip-
The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time,
The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time,
If a person has a desire to get out of addiction, he should take serious steps as much as possible for some time to avoid gambling at all. This includes unsubscribing to notifications and disabling emails to a casino that could allow them to view gambling content and promotions (and possibly sports news on which he normally makes bets).
They've learned it from the best casinos with self exclusion services but kept sending emails. The power of email + the $50 free bet made Boyle Sports very successful.
Its not enough to lose all his money but he scammed his relatives. The addiction is really that strong to him that the crimes you think only in the movies will happen like impersonating someone seems easy for him.
Its not enough to lose all his money but he scammed his relatives. The addiction is really that strong to him that the crimes you think only in the movies will happen like impersonating someone seems easy for him.
when you're too deep with your addiction, i believe you will do things that are out of logic anymore. the reasoning is out of context as you want to fulfill your gambling desires. i guess, this situation is not by any means the first and definitely not the last. as long as gambling industry exists, there will be individuals that will go beyond their normal actions just to feed their impulses.
It's two different instances here really, a scam attempt that was successful, and a gambler that can't leave gambling. Both of which are fully his fault imo. And it's nothing really complicated, he scammed his family member to gamble, that's it. Using the fact that the casino kept sending him free $50 to bet isn't really an excuse to scam someone really. The gambling part is another story though, and I'd have to admit the casino is the one at fault there, although the gambler themselves can't really be completely free of blame still. Kinda odd really how closing your account nets you a free $50, doesn't that mean it can be exploited a number of times?
They've learned it from the best casinos with self exclusion services but kept sending emails. The power of email + the $50 free bet made Boyle Sports very successful.
Going through the story from the OP am not sure the man's conviction to stop gambling was a strong determined one. I guess it's one of these normal gamblers expression of stopping from playing gambling especially when they have had their worst loss only to see them back the next day.On the other hand Boyle sport was just doing normal legit gambling business, by crediting his account with the said amount of dollars, every other casino does that as a way to promoting their company. So the man should be blame for not having a locus of control towards his gambling lifestyle.
And come to think of it, he's said to be an addicted alcoholic, so am not sure all the money went into gambling, alcohol must have taking a sum too. So should the alcohol (brewery) company be said to be blamed too? No!
As for the loss suffered, the one at fault is the casino for not respecting the player's self-exclusion, although the player is also at fault for having scammed money to a relative to gamble it away. There was also a case in the forum of someone who complained because he had self-excluded himself from a room and they kept contacting him. And many other cases as Hydrogen comments. Responsible gambling options are there for a reason and they have to be respected because there are people who are completely ruined by self-control problems.
who doesn't care about a sweet offer? but promotions like this openly exaggerate, also the company has a slightly different term of service, maybe.
I believe that the man was carried away by an emotional mission that arose from his own impulses and desires. The casual gambler will probably see the value they get, not in the things that make the game fun.
and when he sees something different (this) from other gambling companies, and maybe the company politely declines.
as far as i know there is gambling which they facilitate well. From opening or closing an account, without being suspended or for any reason.if you say between right and who is wrong it can't be separated from offer and acceptance, if the man chooses the better one, the possibility will be minimized.
I personally prefer to research first on this forum any form of gambling before deciding to create an account at a particular gambling company.
I believe that the man was carried away by an emotional mission that arose from his own impulses and desires. The casual gambler will probably see the value they get, not in the things that make the game fun.
and when he sees something different (this) from other gambling companies, and maybe the company politely declines.
as far as i know there is gambling which they facilitate well. From opening or closing an account, without being suspended or for any reason.if you say between right and who is wrong it can't be separated from offer and acceptance, if the man chooses the better one, the possibility will be minimized.
I personally prefer to research first on this forum any form of gambling before deciding to create an account at a particular gambling company.
Here is the article: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
It's a typical story of a compulsive gambler, they will do everything to keep on playing they are blinded by their own reasoning this is not new in our country compulsive gamblers are robbing their companies and their family just to continue playing.
And casinos are like that even if you want to stop they will keep sending you promotions so you can come back if you have a weak control you will fall into this, both have mistakes but the gambler has more liabilities than the casinos.
As the saying goes "it takes two to tango", so both is to blame here.
But I heard similar stories in the past though, know the guy personally and then he pulled the same act, scamming his family so that he can continue with his gambling addiction (horse racing and other card games). Nevertheless, he was forgiven by his family and change his attitude for the good. Lesson here is that there is still time to mend things specially our gambling addiction and stop.
But I heard similar stories in the past though, know the guy personally and then he pulled the same act, scamming his family so that he can continue with his gambling addiction (horse racing and other card games). Nevertheless, he was forgiven by his family and change his attitude for the good. Lesson here is that there is still time to mend things specially our gambling addiction and stop.
Where did you get the subject of this topic? Did you read the news? I read the article and nowhere did it mention that the suspect scammed his family. The money he took did not come from a family member. It came from an acquaintance.
Anyway, it is crystal clear who's in the wrong here. It is the defendant. Whatever alibi he will raise to defend his case, he cannot be excused from the theft that he committed. That he pretended to be a prominent Cork solicitor could also be a different case of identity theft or usurpation.
Of course, I am not a lawyer. I am interested how this case would be judged. Either way, Boyle Sports should also be held partly accountable for their actions considering that their promotional offers could have actually played a role in the victim's gambling addiction. Well, it depends on existing local laws.
Anyway, it is crystal clear who's in the wrong here. It is the defendant. Whatever alibi he will raise to defend his case, he cannot be excused from the theft that he committed. That he pretended to be a prominent Cork solicitor could also be a different case of identity theft or usurpation.
Of course, I am not a lawyer. I am interested how this case would be judged. Either way, Boyle Sports should also be held partly accountable for their actions considering that their promotional offers could have actually played a role in the victim's gambling addiction. Well, it depends on existing local laws.
I remember a thread here blaming the platform for still sending emails and promotions even though the user already demanded to stop it in the mission and goal of totally stopping doing gambling. Although that platform admits there's a problem with the system, seems not appropriate for me to fully blame the platform where in fact, it's impossible that people will not encounter any gambling-related stuff even just by a simple walking in the street.
Here in OP's shared story, I won't blame the platform here but the gambler itself. We should be responsible and serious if we really like to stop gambling. Only we can help ourselves to fight the temptation of gambling.
They've learned it from the best casinos with self exclusion services but kept sending emails. The power of email + the $50 free bet made Boyle Sports very successful.
Its not enough to lose all his money but he scammed his relatives. The addiction is really that strong to him that the crimes you think only in the movies will happen like impersonating someone seems easy for him.
Its not enough to lose all his money but he scammed his relatives. The addiction is really that strong to him that the crimes you think only in the movies will happen like impersonating someone seems easy for him.
when you're too deep with your addiction, i believe you will do things that are out of logic anymore. the reasoning is out of context as you want to fulfill your gambling desires. i guess, this situation is not by any means the first and definitely not the last. as long as gambling industry exists, there will be individuals that will go beyond their normal actions just to feed their impulses.
Here is the article: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
Quote
It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.
if my understanding to the matter is right, then...
I've already seen a post in this forum where a user suggest that we somehow should take notice of the Gambling Exclusion program of gambling platforms. When a user of a platform would want to exclude himself, the platforms should stop sending emails of the bonuses and just don't let him access the website at all. This isn't really a problem from the gambler but from the both of the gambler and the one who've sent the promotion. If an addict tried and let himself change, no one should urge him the opposite. Yet, some websites are really desperate whenever they know that someone is addicted to gambling and they will keep making him play more.
They've learned it from the best casinos with self exclusion services but kept sending emails. The power of email + the $50 free bet made Boyle Sports very successful.
Its not enough to lose all his money but he scammed his relatives. The addiction is really that strong to him that the crimes you think only in the movies will happen like impersonating someone seems easy for him.
Its not enough to lose all his money but he scammed his relatives. The addiction is really that strong to him that the crimes you think only in the movies will happen like impersonating someone seems easy for him.
Jump to: