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Quote from: Razmirraz on May 31, 2022, 04:06:42 AM

Trust will be lost from the people around because of bad behavior, people who are addicted to gambling will always think about how to get easy money. The family can only persuade them to stop gambling because they do not want their family members to go the wrong way, without the desire to stop gambling, the advice of the family will be in vain.
The impact of bad behavior makes gambling addicts will be ostracized, both in their family and closest friends. Anyone will not easily trust someone who has not left a bad habit, because it will make them feel used with sweet words from the mouth of a gambling addict.

The family becomes an important point to encourage those who are already heavily addicted to gambling to be able to stop and return to their previous activities. The issue of trust can be reclaimed by gamblers if they are able to reverse the situation where they are able to stop all gambling activities. and as we know gamblers are usually mentally affected by the environment so this is a concern for those around them to take good care and provide useful advice for their lives.

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When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.

Of course his family won't easily trust that person again, trauma with the past is something that is difficult to erase for those who are hurt

I've seen a lot of people (around my neighborhood) who recovered from their addiction (go home to rehab) not being trusted 100% like they used to again by their families

Trust will be lost from the people around because of bad behavior, people who are addicted to gambling will always think about how to get easy money. The family can only persuade them to stop gambling because they do not want their family members to go the wrong way, without the desire to stop gambling, the advice of the family will be in vain.
The impact of bad behavior makes gambling addicts will be ostracized, both in their family and closest friends. Anyone will not easily trust someone who has not left a bad habit, because it will make them feel used with sweet words from the mouth of a gambling addict.

It requires a tremendous care for this addicted person from a family member. Must be a caring mother. Other member of the family will not be easy for they already have in their mind that if he had scammed the family which is his blood, who else will he NOT scam? It is like betraying your blood. That's why family members will really despise him for this act.

And its all because of this gambling addiction. He'd have to turn his life around, get rich probably and show the world how much he had changed and perhaps the family will accept him. Turning his life around is NOT impossible. Its not too late.

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When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.

Of course his family won't easily trust that person again, trauma with the past is something that is difficult to erase for those who are hurt

I've seen a lot of people (around my neighborhood) who recovered from their addiction (go home to rehab) not being trusted 100% like they used to again by their families

Trust will be lost from the people around because of bad behavior, people who are addicted to gambling will always think about how to get easy money. The family can only persuade them to stop gambling because they do not want their family members to go the wrong way, without the desire to stop gambling, the advice of the family will be in vain.
The impact of bad behavior makes gambling addicts will be ostracized, both in their family and closest friends. Anyone will not easily trust someone who has not left a bad habit, because it will make them feel used with sweet words from the mouth of a gambling addict.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 18, 2022, 01:41:18 PM

What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

It's the gambler that is wrong here
Maybe some here see what the Boyle Sports did was wrong because they took advantage of the bettor since they know that he is addicted to gambling already but I think it's part of their business to attract more gamblers for more profit. Of course I see it also as a wrong thing to do but if they really want to get some money, they will do it.

The problem with the gambler is that, yes he closed his account trying to fight his addiction but he failed to do it. He got attracted again by those free money to be used for him to bet. It's easy to say that "He might've ignored it and move on to his life" but we aren't in his situation. With what happened, maybe this is the only way for the gambler to beat his gambling addiction. I just hope that he learned from this incident.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 18, 2022, 01:41:18 PM

Here is the article: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.

I think that the lack of working self exclusion with Boyle sports needs to be addressed, maybe by an official regulator who properly tests these things. They're certainly quick enough to restrict your account if you win money from them, that's for sure. However that does not condone the criminal actions of this person who effectively committed fraud in order to play a game. Having a gambling addiction does not automatically mean you steal from others, so separate that right out.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on May 30, 2022, 06:16:14 PM

Of course his family won't easily trust that person again, trauma with the past is something that is difficult to erase for those who are hurt

I've seen a lot of people (around my neighborhood) who recovered from their addiction (go home to rehab) not being trusted 100% like they used to again by their families

But if the addicted person can recover and really change, I think they can get a second chance to be a real change person.
Those of us who live with that person must also realize that they will not always be like that and must give them a second chance because they will truly change if they can overcome their addiction.
But it may not be easy to give them trust and a second chance because we have been hurt because of what they have done.
The feeling of trauma and hurt must be released by having a sense of sincerity and grace so that we don't feel hurt again.

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When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.

Of course his family won't easily trust that person again, trauma with the past is something that is difficult to erase for those who are hurt

I've seen a lot of people (around my neighborhood) who recovered from their addiction (go home to rehab) not being trusted 100% like they used to again by their families

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What's wrong is that bettors go to the Boylesports site because Boylesports only runs their SOP by offering their superior products, everything goes back to the players actually.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 30, 2022, 03:36:46 PM

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On a second thought the gambler was able to beat his gambling addiction but, he failed at foregoing his addiction for greed. The company must have sent same promotional mail to every other member of the Casino. The gambler out of greed exhausted the $50 offer and yet was not satisfied by it. However, the casino tricked him using a $50 bait to lure him back into the gambling world knowing pretty well that he is greedy.

I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.

I also think so. Although he really wants to stop gambling and fight his addiction, but knowing he still grab the chance of free money to gamble again and prolong his addiction, then that proves that he himself is still the one who should be mostly blamed. Casinos do always send us convincing invitations but deciding it to take or not is already on the gambler itself. I can see that this gambler has not completely beaten his addiction as he can still be easily lured just with all those tempting acts from the casino.

Where there is money there are scammers. We cannot avoid scams but we can definitely keep ourself safe but not becoming the prey of them.
But bad does not knock before getting in. So one should be a little vigilent - when it comes gambling - being vigilant does not hurt.

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Quote from: swogerino on May 26, 2022, 02:25:42 AM

Quote from: Accardo on May 25, 2022, 11:10:05 PM

On a second thought the gambler was able to beat his gambling addiction but, he failed at foregoing his addiction for greed. The company must have sent same promotional mail to every other member of the Casino. The gambler out of greed exhausted the $50 offer and yet was not satisfied by it. However, the casino tricked him using a $50 bait to lure him back into the gambling world knowing pretty well that he is greedy.

I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.

I also think so. Although he really wants to stop gambling and fight his addiction, but knowing he still grab the chance of free money to gamble again and prolong his addiction, then that proves that he himself is still the one who should be mostly blamed. Casinos do always send us convincing invitations but deciding it to take or not is already on the gambler itself. I can see that this gambler has not completely beaten his addiction as he can still be easily lured just with all those tempting acts from the casino.

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Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.

The thing is when you already realized it and want to correct your mistake, you're too late. Most people realize when he have done something big mistake e.g. sold all of his asset, jailed, have serious disease etc. Without think twice before made a decision, they will do anything that can satisfy them.

people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person

When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.

That's the truth, we might don't know because we're not in their shoes but these are true. Being addicted in a gambling was never a good situation because they would start stealing and selling some things just to feed their minds to gamble again.

Well, if these addicts has recovered then of course their own families will gave them a 2nd chance, but the mind of their family and the people who surround them was already programmed to take some preventive measures before they regret it again because they cannot honestly forget the mistakes in the past. Better be safe than sorry.

Once addiction do becomes severe then you would really be making yourself able to find ways for you to play no matter what the cost or on what way you would really be able to attain the funds for you to do so
thats why whenever you do get involved yourself into gambling then be sure that you would really able to control your pulses and dont make yourself get hook to addiction
because if you do then you would really be having a big problem in the future which it wouldnt not only involved money but also in other aspects as well like family and relations
would be also affected.

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Quote from: South Park on May 30, 2022, 12:10:23 AM

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Quote from: Lordhermes on May 26, 2022, 05:35:25 PM

Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.

The thing is when you already realized it and want to correct your mistake, you're too late. Most people realize when he have done something big mistake e.g. sold all of his asset, jailed, have serious disease etc. Without think twice before made a decision, they will do anything that can satisfy them.

people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person

When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.

That's the truth, we might don't know because we're not in their shoes but these are true. Being addicted in a gambling was never a good situation because they would start stealing and selling some things just to feed their minds to gamble again.

Well, if these addicts has recovered then of course their own families will gave them a 2nd chance, but the mind of their family and the people who surround them was already programmed to take some preventive measures before they regret it again because they cannot honestly forget the mistakes in the past. Better be safe than sorry.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on May 26, 2022, 05:35:25 PM

Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.

The thing is when you already realized it and want to correct your mistake, you're too late. Most people realize when he have done something big mistake e.g. sold all of his asset, jailed, have serious disease etc. Without think twice before made a decision, they will do anything that can satisfy them.

people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person

When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.

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Quote from: dezoel on May 29, 2022, 12:15:46 PM

In my neighbourhood, I have seen a guy selling his parent's house and gambling away all the funds gathered and obviously lost them all. Even worst his parents were struggling with some health issues and when they came to know about it, their son had suicided already in guilt and pressure from his friends for the payment of the remaining amount. Somehow everyone in the society came forward and helped but I can't even share the kind of emotions everyone went through, even though most of us didn't even know what exactly happened.

This is sad not only for the gambler but for everyone who's got involved with it but mostly, to the parents. They've lost their son and as well as the home that they've worked hard for. By just reading it, there's already the sadness that ticked me and this story really happens in real life and we don't know how many family were devastated by someone who's too addicted in gambling and also not just in gambling but also being addicted in other vices that one cannot be controlled anymore.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on May 26, 2022, 05:35:25 PM

Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.

The thing is when you already realized it and want to correct your mistake, you're too late. Most people realize when he have done something big mistake e.g. sold all of his asset, jailed, have serious disease etc. Without think twice before made a decision, they will do anything that can satisfy them.

people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person

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Quote from: dezoel on May 29, 2022, 12:15:46 PM

In my neighbourhood, I have seen a guy selling his parent's house and gambling away all the funds gathered and obviously lost them all. Even worst his parents were struggling with some health issues and when they came to know about it, their son had suicided already in guilt and pressure from his friends for the payment of the remaining amount. Somehow everyone in the society came forward and helped but I can't even share the kind of emotions everyone went through, even though most of us didn't even know what exactly happened.

Gambling addiction sucks. Period. But, gambling itself isn't the problem it's the excessive gambling and the mentality that sucks and makes gambling look like such a bad thing. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco, you consume once in a while and you're fine (most likely) but if you repeat and make it your addiction, you will be in trouble tomorrow if not today.

I'm not sure gambling is the main culprit in your story and in the story of OP. The main culprit here, is dishonesty IMO, gambling had only been a trigger that could have been something else either. Not everyone is able to start to lie, to rob or to kill to satisfy a gambling addiction.

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In my neighbourhood, I have seen a guy selling his parent's house and gambling away all the funds gathered and obviously lost them all. Even worst his parents were struggling with some health issues and when they came to know about it, their son had suicided already in guilt and pressure from his friends for the payment of the remaining amount. Somehow everyone in the society came forward and helped but I can't even share the kind of emotions everyone went through, even though most of us didn't even know what exactly happened.

Gambling addiction sucks. Period. But, gambling itself isn't the problem it's the excessive gambling and the mentality that sucks and makes gambling look like such a bad thing. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco, you consume once in a while and you're fine (most likely) but if you repeat and make it your addiction, you will be in trouble tomorrow if not today.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 18, 2022, 01:41:18 PM

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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.

The most shocking part of this whole story, like so many other times when this happens, is the whole sum that was involved. 56k would be a huge sum to most people and this was extracted in probably a year or two, this is a substantial sum that could have given them such a big head start if they had not frittered it away. You've got to wonder how someone gets to the age of 48 years old and has not figured out what a futile activity gambling is - that sort of sum could easily have padded out their retirement instead of dreams and stress of trying to attain a mythical big win. At that sort of age, it is really hard to have any sympathy for them because they should have learned the pitfalls a long time ago.

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Quote from: swogerino on May 26, 2022, 02:25:42 AM

I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.

I like your idea, it can help to quit gambling addiction to some extent but if someone is very addicted, he can unsubscribe from the emails and still he will still later find himself gambling.

I got someone that receive the emails and with free bets but yet not even using the money to bet again. I noticed some people only want to make money from gambling and see it as job, the person I am talking about got job and quite after being a gambling addict for like 3 or 4 years.

I still think there should be better but additional means that needs to be involved for an addict to stop gambling.

That aside, to scam family is completely awful and not making any sense. Besides, not even on something like business but on gambling. That is completely out of sense.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on May 27, 2022, 10:27:43 AM

If the bettors claims are true about Boyle Sports refusing to close his account when he asked them to do so and instead continued to lure him to play more by giving him free money, then Boyle Sports is definitely in the wrong. Such behavior is unethical and unacceptable. I am sure no respectful casino would do such a thing as it's their responsibility to protect their customers who have gambling problems.
This doesn't mean the bettor isn't in the wrong too. He scammed an innocent person and stole more than €56 (according to the article you linked) so he got what he deserved. The judge's ruling was correct.

I was thinking in the same direction as your view not until I read the whole article and I will advise you do the same to get the whole story correctly, the sole responsibility is left to the gambler to protect himself from being lured into what he already self-excluded and be careful not to get tempted and the man in question already have the habit of scamming his family even before he start gambling, Boyle sport just gave him the platform to burn out the money fast by gambling it away excessively. In this case, both are guilty and I will not blame only one party since there are two parties involved and they both deviated from the ethical way of doing things.

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