Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family - page 9.

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Quote from: Little_Sister on May 19, 2022, 09:25:23 AM

We are in control of ourselves to be attracted or disinterested to play casino excessively without control, so casino companies are not involved in wrongdoing because they are not forcing someone to register a gambling member or not. All decisions are up to each one of them, so don't be influenced by anything that makes us active gambling addicts.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Although our environment throws many triggers and distractions to us, if we put our mind to it on really fighting against the urge to gamble, then we could probably make the fight. But, if we just let our guard down and be drawn to the influences, then we are really to be doomed.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 20, 2022, 05:26:13 AM

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Still, gamblers have to be held accountable because it is their risk of becoming addicted. But sadly, not many can realize this and are drawn even deeper into gambling. I think this is a shared responsibility between gamblers, advertisers and casinos but I don't know, it seems that casinos and advertisers keep going without thinking about the fate of gamblers who are addicted to gambling.

Why should a business think about those who misuse its products? What can you say about fast food and those who are addicted to it? Obviously they have huge negative consequences - obesity and related health problems. But are food manufacturers to blame? I think no. And attempts to extend responsibility to normal market participants will harm, first of all, ordinary normal consumers, that is, everyone will be punished except for those who have an addiction.

Food producers are not to be blamed, but at least they can advise the public about the meaning of health. That means they can provide education to the public while selling their products.

Think about it. Have food manufacturers been blamed for their products? Even when the product can be said to be a product defect or other negative things? In the end, the food producers will answer, we only sell our products and if people buy our products it means they understand the consequences. Is it fair to society?

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The gambler in the article happens to play in a corrupt casino, the casino knows that he is betting huge and they want to bait him into coming back by giving him a lot of promotions and free bets since he is a compulsive gambler and an offer like this is hard to refuse, I don't think even if there are no promotions coming in, he will stop playing and will continue to scam his family.
Taking a vacation from gambling is not the right way to cure a compulsive gambler, he needs the guidance of a professional who will devise task and gives him medicine to stop his urge to play.

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The gambler are to blame....

He had the option to go out to get a second job, that would have kept him busy...not having the extra time to gamble... but he decided to rather scam money out of his family and friends and now he wants to shift the blame to the people who offered him the opportunity to gamble.

This is typical of the new thinking of people... "Always a victim" .... never taking the responsibility for their actions. We have the freedom to make choices...and he took the wrong option. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Findingnemo on May 20, 2022, 07:01:49 AM

What the gambling site did was wrong but at the end of the day they didn't force him to scam so the addiction made him to scam so he can't sue the sportbook for his immoral actions which can never be justified. We all should have self discipline in everything because we are in control of our actions.

^ One of the main factors that cause this for sure is greediness, don't let this will happen, and stop your greediness at all times.
You will never be justified in the end if you will chase money in gambling and when you left nothing, that is the time you will for sure commit crimes and even your family is the number one victim. Moderately gambling is the right way to control yourself, it should start with yourself on how to control it.
The story shows how will educate ourselves in gambling, that was an advantage to all of us here because we are aware of others' mistakes and avoid not will happen to us.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 18, 2022, 01:41:18 PM

Here is the article: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.

It is not a matter of who is right or who is wrong. Most people have weak minds. They get addicted to different stuff very easily. Some get addicted to alcohol/drugs, some get addicted to tobacco and some become gambling addicts. Getting high education isn't going to solve this problem neither. I've seen doctors becoming addicts too. For that simple reason, casinos&tobacco shops will never ever go bankrupt as long as humans exist.

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What the gambling site did was wrong but at the end of the day they didn't force him to scam so the addiction made him to scam so he can't sue the sportbook for his immoral actions which can never be justified. We all should have self discipline in everything because we are in control of our actions.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 20, 2022, 03:40:27 AM

Yes, gamblers should take full responsibility just like shopaholics, alcoholics and other people with addictions. If we start dividing this responsibility between those who advertise (of their product which, when used in reasonable quantities, does no harm) with people who consume it uncontrollably and face unpleasant consequences, we will harm all parties.

Same in cigarette advertisements - "smoking is dangerous to your health"
Same in liquor advertisements - "drink moderately"

Some gambling sites also have a banner or terms pointing to "gamble moderately" or "responsible gambling". Since these companies are promoting their products and services, obviously they won't say stop doing this or that.

We, as a consumer and clients, should be responsible for what we are doing.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 20, 2022, 04:30:04 AM

Still, gamblers have to be held accountable because it is their risk of becoming addicted. But sadly, not many can realize this and are drawn even deeper into gambling. I think this is a shared responsibility between gamblers, advertisers and casinos but I don't know, it seems that casinos and advertisers keep going without thinking about the fate of gamblers who are addicted to gambling.

Why should a business think about those who misuse its products? What can you say about fast food and those who are addicted to it? Obviously they have huge negative consequences - obesity and related health problems. But are food manufacturers to blame? I think no. And attempts to extend responsibility to normal market participants will harm, first of all, ordinary normal consumers, that is, everyone will be punished except for those who have an addiction.

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Quote from: Boristhecat on May 20, 2022, 03:40:27 AM

Quote from: zidanw on May 19, 2022, 08:31:04 AM

I have heard and even witnessed something like this happened. At the end of the day, it is the bettor who is at fault for falling into the trap set, but of course the gambling company has a lot of role to play in triggering the gamblers. Gamblers has the power to reject or let themselves be under the influence of their addiction once again. I just hire that they seek whatever help they need, especially professional help.

Yes, gamblers should take full responsibility just like shopaholics, alcoholics and other people with addictions. If we start dividing this responsibility between those who advertise (of their product which, when used in reasonable quantities, does no harm) with people who consume it uncontrollably and face unpleasant consequences, we will harm all parties.

Still, gamblers have to be held accountable because it is their risk of becoming addicted. But sadly, not many can realize this and are drawn even deeper into gambling. I think this is a shared responsibility between gamblers, advertisers and casinos but I don't know, it seems that casinos and advertisers keep going without thinking about the fate of gamblers who are addicted to gambling.

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Quote from: zidanw on May 19, 2022, 08:31:04 AM

I have heard and even witnessed something like this happened. At the end of the day, it is the bettor who is at fault for falling into the trap set, but of course the gambling company has a lot of role to play in triggering the gamblers. Gamblers has the power to reject or let themselves be under the influence of their addiction once again. I just hire that they seek whatever help they need, especially professional help.

Yes, gamblers should take full responsibility just like shopaholics, alcoholics and other people with addictions. If we start dividing this responsibility between those who advertise (of their product which, when used in reasonable quantities, does no harm) with people who consume it uncontrollably and face unpleasant consequences, we will harm all parties.

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Quote from: Doell on May 19, 2022, 03:50:05 PM

Wrong there is the gambler, As a gambler in that's a man see, free bet ignited already pent up emotions. We may often experience this because not a few people have it, including me. Admitting that, to be honest I was in a similar condition to that guy, but luckily I didn't go too far like him. Gambling is something that is interesting but we have to be good at controlling emotions.

Controlling emotions might simple to mention on but totally applying it when you are on a severe addiction is something really hard to be done when you are on that state which addiction
is really trying to overcome you where you could really go into certain extent on making yourself doing some actions which you do something yourself cant believe but since the urge
of addiction is really strong then you wont really be minding even if you do really stole something out from your family or scamming them.You would really be going into that
certain extent if we arent serious on quitting gambling.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on May 18, 2022, 05:27:02 PM

The above story is an example of a whale losing $200 million to gambling addiction. There are other whales who also lost a lot of money.

It seems that gambling addiction affects everyone from the rich to the poor.

I wonder if its gambling that is at fault. Or whether some lack impulse control. Perhaps they don't know how to lose gracefully and never back down from a gambling fight. Its sad. But its real life.

It really does, IIRC, there's also a famous NBA star that have lost his wealth due to addiction, I can't remember if it's on gambling or it's with illegal drugs.

Nevertheless, once a rich person can no longer handle himself with his activities, he's going to spend ravage and won't notice that his wealth is eventually breaking down.

He'll notice it too late when he's got nothing left anymore.

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Wrong there is the gambler, As a gambler in that's a man see, free bet ignited already pent up emotions. We may often experience this because not a few people have it, including me. Admitting that, to be honest I was in a similar condition to that guy, but luckily I didn't go too far like him. Gambling is something that is interesting but we have to be good at controlling emotions.

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Every gambling company are into business to make profit and not just to entertain prospective customer. Just like any business, Boyle Sports would always want to retain their customers. In trying to maintain or win back customers these gambling companies use different marketing strategies which include free bets. You didn't specify the age of the person, hence we cannot figure-out if he is underage. Teenagers and children are the highest victims of gambling addiction, that is why the age limit is 18 and above. The bettor was only enticed and was not forced, hence Boyle Sports is not guilty. Every adult must take responsibility for his/her action or inaction because the blame game is a sign of immaturity.

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Quote from: Ulven on May 18, 2022, 05:41:07 PM

A problem gambler will do anything, and everything, to continue gambling. He will lie, cheat and steal to be able to gamble. When caught he will blame everybody that he can blame or any crimes committed !! he will include people for his crime if he has one!!!

An addicted gambler will always have the tendency to do whatever it is just to quench his taste and this can be seen there character, stealing can be one of those things and other criminalizing acts. Instead of fixing themselves, they rely on casinos to stop their excessive gambling forgetting the fact that casinos are out for business and the more gamblers stake money the more money the casino earns.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on May 18, 2022, 02:10:10 PM

Here the gambler is wrong. As a means of promotion gambling platforms used to give free betting bonuses. If this bonus have been given knowing that the user is gonna end gambling, then the gambling platform too is wrong. Myself too have similar experience playing with bonus when I was in long break from gambling, and from my experience it is always good to have self control.

You have not to blame the gambling sites because they are on business which if you happens to be on the shoe's of owner of the platform you will like people to be betting in your platform even without bonus as you check. The gamblers is in the wrong track because it suppose to know how much that remains in it gambling account not to the extent of wiping all of his account for gambling. Borrowing because of betting is wrong even though they platform issues you enough bonus you are suppose to use a common sense to apply for whatever you are doing.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 18, 2022, 01:41:18 PM

Here is the article: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.

I've had some interaction and experience with Boyle Sports in the past, they do have adequate safety measures in place to stop someone from casually returning if they have requested self exclusion for a period of time. They will have had to make some declarations and go through certain steps to remove that self exclusion if it ever was in place - I get the feeling it was never even attempted by this hopeless addict. In most situations I am supportive of people who lose their own money if the gambling controls are not strong enough, maybe they do need a review at this site, but this person has gone a step further and stolen from his own family - that is possibly some of the worst behavior possible, which makes the sympathy levels pretty low.

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Quote from: iv4n on May 19, 2022, 12:14:51 PM

I don't like to blame the game, because the game will be played as long as there are interested players! So it's on people who decide to join the game to be aware of what can happen in the game and all the consequences that can come when "bad period/luck" comes! And be sure, after every bullish comes a bearish period! It's like that even in love!

Gambling games of various variations are made so as not to be boring but that does not mean to add to the long list of gambling addictions, so every gambler must break away from his addiction to gambling because it will make his life worse, an addicted gambler must be able to control himself from excessive gambling addiction and understand the consequences if betting on high bets.

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but every time he tried to close his Boyle Sports account they sent him a €50 free bet and he ended up gambling again

Well, when you wager a lot you get a lot of promotional stuff! What's wrong with that?!

After reading this story I have a feeling that you can replace the word gambling with drugs and it will be completely the same! Another ruined life because some guy/girl decided to go all the way without any moral or ethical compass!? Any vice is like playing with fire, and we who play with fire get burned here and there, so I guess we know how it is... but some people just don't know when it's enough! They push till the very end!

I don't like to blame the game, because the game will be played as long as there are interested players! So it's on people who decide to join the game to be aware of what can happen in the game and all the consequences that can come when "bad period/luck" comes! And be sure, after every bullish comes a bearish period! It's like that even in love!

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