GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 146.

I_IZ_CEO

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Quote from: zdaz14 on September 11, 2014, 01:29:11 PM

Quote from: I_IZ_CEO on September 11, 2014, 01:19:33 PM

Quote from: zdaz14 on September 11, 2014, 12:31:13 PM

Guys, stop being idiots.

Josh has said multiple times they are mining on their own private pools. They are then paying out to their owners based on public pools. Different hashlets cost differently to get it.

And yes, I agree its fine to shut down Nicehash until they figure out a solution to gaming the system. That's not how their service works so they immediately posted an announcement saying they are fixing it.

Trolls be trollin. Guess that's what you do jobless surrounded by block erupters Sad

Says they guy who spent 3 hours hooking up a Fury.. You need to get your head out of your a$$ dude.

Yeah man, thanks for lookin through my history to find dirt on me Cheesy

Was my first machine and one of my partitions has an error that took me a while to figure out originally.

Thanks though again.

No problem.
Now let me ask you a question, one that I can not understand, why would I mine on zenpool and payout what nicehash is paying out?
Also what happened on nicehash is not a flaw for nicehash because this is how nicehash works.

EDIT: Nice pics btw

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zdaz14

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Quote from: I_IZ_CEO on September 11, 2014, 01:19:33 PM

Quote from: zdaz14 on September 11, 2014, 12:31:13 PM

Guys, stop being idiots.

Josh has said multiple times they are mining on their own private pools. They are then paying out to their owners based on public pools. Different hashlets cost differently to get it.

And yes, I agree its fine to shut down Nicehash until they figure out a solution to gaming the system. That's not how their service works so they immediately posted an announcement saying they are fixing it.

Trolls be trollin. Guess that's what you do jobless surrounded by block erupters Sad

Says they guy who spent 3 hours hooking up a Fury.. You need to get your head out of your a$$ dude.

Yeah man, thanks for lookin through my history to find dirt on me Cheesy

Was my first machine and one of my partitions has an error that took me a while to figure out originally.

Thanks though again.

I_IZ_CEO

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Quote from: zdaz14 on September 11, 2014, 12:31:13 PM

Guys, stop being idiots.

Josh has said multiple times they are mining on their own private pools. They are then paying out to their owners based on public pools. Different hashlets cost differently to get it.

And yes, I agree its fine to shut down Nicehash until they figure out a solution to gaming the system. That's not how their service works so they immediately posted an announcement saying they are fixing it.

Trolls be trollin. Guess that's what you do jobless surrounded by block erupters Sad

Says they guy who spent 3 hours hooking up a Fury.. You need to get your head out of your a$$ dude.

NuShrike

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Looks like the new payout indicator broke all the payouts today, or something, ignoring the announcement from Eric and thread https://hashtalk.org/topic/5325/payout-bug-9-11-14/202.

#payoutwatch

SDRebel

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 11, 2014, 12:21:01 PM

Quote from: stryc9 on September 11, 2014, 12:03:01 PM

Quote from: zdaz14 on September 11, 2014, 10:11:16 AM

Exactly. The only thing is proves is they don't want to pay more because others were playing the system.

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serves GAW right for lying to people about what pools they are mining in.

Here's the thing. GAW CEO explicitly stated that they are not mining on outside pools. That was a couple of weeks ago and was quoted in this thread somewhere and is still quoted in the OP. I can't understand why GAW fans/supporters/whatchamacallit still insist that there is no proof of this or that. The man himself has told you THEY ARE NOT MINING ON ANY OUTSIDE POOLS. ZenMiner TOS also quite clearly says that. Are the Solo hashlets confusing everyone into believing there is connection to the pools they're named after?

Just so you wouldn't think I'm making this up:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/2495/zencloud-pool-announcement

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After careful review, we've decided pointing our hashing power to these pools is counterproductive for our goal of promoting stability in this industry. Instead, we will be sending our hashing power to our own private pools, but keeping your payouts 100% based on the pool you select. This effectively gives you access to your favorite pools, but now with nearly perfect uptime.

However, there is another nugget in that post:

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If, for some reason, a multipool becomes more profitable then our mining, we will then send our hashing power there.

Now THIS is the thing that we now know for a fact is false. They didn't send their "hashing power" to NH, they "banned" it.

thanks for that info. I had read similar ones, but not that one. it's very clear on that one. at least it's now clear

MOB

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Who would have bought Block Erupters? Those things were guaranteed to never ROI upon launch. ;p

P.S.

On day 5 of my support ticket + post on hashtalk + chat with Amber trying to get my last 26 hours of payouts from selling my Hashlets. At least the ticket was finally assigned to someone after I chatted with Amber.

Since this "accidental" pocketing of of my payout happened to everyone that sold Hashlets, I am not sure why they have no method in place for efficiently resolving it. It's so hard not to talk about businessmen.

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Quote from: zdaz14 on September 11, 2014, 12:31:13 PM

Guys, stop being idiots.

Josh has said multiple times they are mining on their own private pools. They are then paying out to their owners based on public pools. Different hashlets cost differently to get it.

And yes, I agree its fine to shut down Nicehash until they figure out a solution to gaming the system. That's not how their service works so they immediately posted an announcement saying they are fixing it.

Trolls be trollin. Guess that's what you do jobless surrounded by block erupters Sad

I'm not sure what we are arguing since we both seem to be (mostly) making the same point. I ain't trolling. And nice argumentum ad hominem, btw - really helps prove your point.

The fact that Josh admitted that they are not actually mining to any of these places doesn't matter. Especially since he admits so in a forum that most of his customers do not go to at all. They are marketing the hashlets as if they are actually mining.

It doesn't matter that smart people like us know better. What matters is what reasonable expectation the average consumer has, and in this case GAW is being disingenuous at best (allowing people to select pools and get payed out according to that pool, hashlet solos, etc). Take a look at hashtalk, there are people in there asking and wondering if their hashlets are actually pointed to these pools or not and actively debating that fact. The average person is confused.

GAW should be offering their SHA Zenpool to point to or bringing Nicehash back and have them switch to that (which as noted in this thread he promised to do).

zdaz14

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Guys, stop being idiots.

Josh has said multiple times they are mining on their own private pools. They are then paying out to their owners based on public pools. Different hashlets cost differently to get it.

And yes, I agree its fine to shut down Nicehash until they figure out a solution to gaming the system. That's not how their service works so they immediately posted an announcement saying they are fixing it.

Trolls be trollin. Guess that's what you do jobless surrounded by block erupters Sad

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Quote from: stryc9 on September 11, 2014, 12:03:01 PM

Quote from: zdaz14 on September 11, 2014, 10:11:16 AM

Exactly. The only thing is proves is they don't want to pay more because others were playing the system.

[...]
serves GAW right for lying to people about what pools they are mining in.

Here's the thing. GAW CEO explicitly stated that they are not mining on outside pools. That was a couple of weeks ago and was quoted in this thread somewhere and is still quoted in the OP. I can't understand why GAW fans/supporters/whatchamacallit still insist that there is no proof of this or that. The man himself has told you THEY ARE NOT MINING ON ANY OUTSIDE POOLS. ZenMiner TOS also quite clearly says that. Are the Solo hashlets confusing everyone into believing there is connection to the pools they're named after?

Just so you wouldn't think I'm making this up:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/2495/zencloud-pool-announcement

Quote

After careful review, we've decided pointing our hashing power to these pools is counterproductive for our goal of promoting stability in this industry. Instead, we will be sending our hashing power to our own private pools, but keeping your payouts 100% based on the pool you select. This effectively gives you access to your favorite pools, but now with nearly perfect uptime.

However, there is another nugget in that post:

Quote

If, for some reason, a multipool becomes more profitable then our mining, we will then send our hashing power there.

Now THIS is the thing that we now know for a fact is false. They didn't send their "hashing power" to NH, they "banned" it.

stryc9

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Quote from: zdaz14 on September 11, 2014, 10:11:16 AM

Quote from: SDRebel on September 11, 2014, 10:03:49 AM

Quote from: Strainer on September 11, 2014, 05:54:06 AM

I think their move to remove NiceHash for hosted miners it the most worrying, as it proves nothing mines outside of ZenPool.

It doesnt prove nothing mines outside of zenpool, the only thing proved so far is that they dont "mine" in nicehash for sha256. That's the only thing that has been proven and Josh admitted to it
Endofstory

Exactly. The only thing is proves is they don't want to pay more because others were playing the system.

Come on mate, use your fecking melon a bit, will ya? Why would they care how much they are paying if there were just passing along the payout from Nicehash along to the miners? They care because they are not mining there at all. If Nicehash SHA pool ever makes more than whatever it is that GAW are doing with the cloud miners then they will lose money - that's why they care.

Note that the hashrate for SHA or Scrypt has not changed (much) on nicehash or westhash. Note that none of the pool admins saw any increase in hashrate. Note that they don't have custom pools running (because they don't have a way to change pools that miners are pointed to at all to leverage).

Occams Razor.

If they *were* mining in these pools it wouldn't be an exploit at all, and GAW wouldn't lose a cent. Its is a market manipulation, but so what? It affects nobody except Nicehash's reputation and ability to be used to do anything other then increase Zencloud payouts. I am glad that somebody has been doing this for weeks; serves GAW right for lying to people about what pools they are mining in.

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Quote from: Honeycutt22 on September 11, 2014, 10:08:05 AM

Quote from: alienesb on September 11, 2014, 09:40:54 AM

Lol, I can't believe how petty they are being.

I post under a single ID so they know it's me from here and Hashtalk but this is what I get. What are they so afraid of that they have to censor me, a pretty even keeled guy who defends more than attacks. Just wow. Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for my batch 2 refund which is why I'm being shunned, because I dared to ask questions about it.

Josh specifically stated VB batch 2 customers could get a refund because they changed their terms and then changed them again due to "landscape (aka bullshit)" changes... he had instructed his staff to issue refunds with no CEO approval.

Sounds nice in theory but here we are several days past that point and no refund yet.

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Quote from: SDRebel on September 11, 2014, 10:03:49 AM

Quote from: Strainer on September 11, 2014, 05:54:06 AM

I think their move to remove NiceHash for hosted miners it the most worrying, as it proves nothing mines outside of ZenPool.

It doesnt prove nothing mines outside of zenpool, the only thing proved so far is that they dont "mine" in nicehash for sha256. That's the only thing that has been proven and Josh admitted to it
Endofstory

Exactly. The only thing is proves is they don't want to pay more because others were playing the system.

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Quote from: alienesb on September 11, 2014, 09:40:54 AM

Lol, I can't believe how petty they are being.

I post under a single ID so they know it's me from here and Hashtalk but this is what I get. What are they so afraid of that they have to censor me, a pretty even keeled guy who defends more than attacks. Just wow. Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for my batch 2 refund which is why I'm being shunned, because I dared to ask questions about it.

Josh specifically stated VB batch 2 customers could get a refund because they changed their terms and then changed them again due to "landscape (aka bullshit)" changes... he had instructed his staff to issue refunds with no CEO approval.

SDRebel

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Quote from: Strainer on September 11, 2014, 05:54:06 AM

I think their move to remove NiceHash for hosted miners it the most worrying, as it proves nothing mines outside of ZenPool.

It doesnt prove nothing mines outside of zenpool, the only thing proved so far is that they dont "mine" in nicehash for sha256. That's the only thing that has been proven and Josh admitted to it
Endofstory

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Quote from: alienesb on September 11, 2014, 09:35:14 AM

Quote from: Jacques de Molay on September 11, 2014, 07:19:36 AM

Quote from: Strainer on September 11, 2014, 05:54:06 AM

I think their move to remove NiceHash for hosted miners it the most worrying, as it proves nothing mines outside of ZenPool.

See how we go, I have like 10M/Hs dedicated to nicehash on solo hashlets alone ... they appear to be still going despite the hashlet being removed to buy as well...edit You can still buy them with auto purchase

Plus I can point all my primes to it still.

He's talking about hosted SHA256 miners (like S3s), not hashlets.

I know, but was just pointing out the other change as well.

MOB

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Quote from: alienesb on September 11, 2014, 09:40:54 AM

Lol, I can't believe how petty they are being.

I post under a single ID so they know it's me from here and Hashtalk but this is what I get. What are they so afraid of that they have to censor me, a pretty even keeled guy who defends more than attacks. Just wow. Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for my batch 2 refund which is why I'm being shunned, because I dared to ask questions about it.

If this over a refund then call them on the phone. If you get no call back in 48 hours then open a BBB complaint. I assume in CT?

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Lol, I can't believe how petty they are being.

I post under a single ID so they know it's me from here and Hashtalk but this is what I get. What are they so afraid of that they have to censor me, a pretty even keeled guy who defends more than attacks. Just wow. Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for my batch 2 refund which is why I'm being shunned, because I dared to ask questions about it.

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Quote from: Jacques de Molay on September 11, 2014, 07:19:36 AM

Quote from: Strainer on September 11, 2014, 05:54:06 AM

I think their move to remove NiceHash for hosted miners it the most worrying, as it proves nothing mines outside of ZenPool.

See how we go, I have like 10M/Hs dedicated to nicehash on solo hashlets alone ... they appear to be still going despite the hashlet being removed to buy as well...edit You can still buy them with auto purchase

Plus I can point all my primes to it still.

He's talking about hosted SHA256 miners (like S3s), not hashlets.

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Quote from: Strainer on September 11, 2014, 05:54:06 AM

I think their move to remove NiceHash for hosted miners it the most worrying, as it proves nothing mines outside of ZenPool.

See how we go, I have like 10M/Hs dedicated to nicehash on solo hashlets alone ... they appear to be still going despite the hashlet being removed to buy as well...edit You can still buy them with auto purchase

Plus I can point all my primes to it still.

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I think their move to remove NiceHash for hosted miners it the most worrying, as it proves nothing mines outside of ZenPool.

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