GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 141.

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Quote from: tom14cat14 on September 13, 2014, 12:35:52 AM

This is a quote from Josh with more info about the 9/11 hashlets.

"Its been interesting to read all the feedback about this......

While the majority has been positive, its very clear many do not understand our objective. So I am going to change our approach to this to make that objective more clear. I hope this shows you that we listen.

We will only sell 500 RememberHashlets, at the current ZenHashet prices, this will put them just over $10,000 in total sales income

GAW will donate 100% of that sales money to the 911 memorial fund. This is way, GAW in no way will make profiting from any sales related to the cause."

i wonder if this is true if it means he will show proof he made donation. Like company check and like acknowledgement from the organization thats well established not some foundations that is like 2 weeks old. If this is true would get them some brownie points in my opinion. Hell why not make it a even 1000 lol earn double the brownie points and some good karma Wink

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hey guys im just wondering why is the hash prime 49.95$ It shows that it is only 1 MH or am i seeing it wrong is it more than 1 MH or what justifies the price of it so high. I know someone pointed out they have MH and mixed GHS in 1 pack how ture is this. Also what are actual speeds of the MH and GHS if it is true. thanks

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Quote from: elrugrim on September 13, 2014, 12:35:58 AM

I don't get the hate on high school educations.

I only have a high school education.. I also fix c-arms, contrast injectors, blood lab hematology analyzers, defibs, etc. Basically if your in a hospital, and any equipment is used on you, for a many state region, there is a possibility that your life or the quality of your treatment is based on someone with a high school degree. Wink

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I concur there is nothing wrong with high school education, I've been in that position myself for a long time until circumstances aligned for me to get a higher degree.

But I think the post you're referring to was a stab at GAW CEO's attempt to berate "regular guys" who run mining pools, as opposed to "highly trained businessmen" employed by GAW.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/2516/zenpool-howdeedoodat-some-thoughts/132

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I don't get the hate on high school educations.

I only have a high school education.. I also fix c-arms, contrast injectors, blood lab hematology analyzers, defibs, etc. Basically if your in a hospital, and any equipment is used on you, for a many state region, there is a possibility that your life or the quality of your treatment is based on someone with a high school degree. Wink

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This is a quote from Josh with more info about the 9/11 hashlets.

"Its been interesting to read all the feedback about this......

While the majority has been positive, its very clear many do not understand our objective. So I am going to change our approach to this to make that objective more clear. I hope this shows you that we listen.

We will only sell 500 RememberHashlets, at the current ZenHashet prices, this will put them just over $10,000 in total sales income

GAW will donate 100% of that sales money to the 911 memorial fund. This is way, GAW in no way will make profiting from any sales related to the cause."

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 13, 2014, 12:16:28 AM

Someone's in a sour mood...

Anyway let me tldr this quickly:

NH replacement for SHA256 has not been announced, maybe next week.
NiceHashlets will be converted into ZenHashlets at no extra cost.
SHA256 "hardware" (e.g. ZenCloud hosted S3 purchased before there were hashlets) can be converted to SHA256 hashlets 1:1. If I'm not mistaken, S3 hosting cost was $0.90 per day, and 480 GH/s of hashlets will be $0.96 per day, so no big change here, if you don't plan to get the hardware shipped.
HashBoost will be available twice a day to double the hashrate of Prime hashlets. Duration and cost of the boost is not yet known.
Hashlet Exchange will allow to sell hashlets, at a price set by GAW.
The will be a collectible breed of Legendary hashlets available in limited quantities. First one is RememberHashlet, same as ZenHashlet (?) in everything except name.
VB batch 2 announcement will follow next week.
Project Prime is coming October 23.

Yes legendary hashlet is the same as zen hashlet. (Mining wise) Also Josh is donating $10k to the 9/11 foundation.

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Someone's in a sour mood...

Anyway let me tldr this quickly:

NH replacement for SHA256 has not been announced, maybe next week.
NiceHashlets will be converted into ZenHashlets at no extra cost.
SHA256 "hardware" (e.g. ZenCloud hosted S3 purchased before there were hashlets) can be converted to SHA256 hashlets 1:1. If I'm not mistaken, S3 hosting cost was $0.90 per day, and 480 GH/s of hashlets will be $0.96 per day, so no big change here, if you don't plan to get the hardware shipped.
HashBoost will be available twice a day to double the hashrate of Prime hashlets. Duration and cost of the boost is not yet known.
Hashlet Exchange will allow to sell hashlets, at a price set by GAW.
The will be a collectible breed of Legendary hashlets available in limited quantities. First one is RememberHashlet, same as ZenHashlet (?) in everything except name.
VB batch 2 announcement will follow next week.
Project Prime is coming October 23.

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Yo josh - you are now absolutely and quite clearly out of line.

"The first one we’re introducing is the Remember Hashlet, to honor those who lost their lives on September 11th, 2001.

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Seriously? Grow some pride in america you self-less loser.

Edit - Josh, did you lose anyone that day? Seriously?

I did. So go die in a fire you scamming fuck loser out to make $ on other's losses.... So moronic, i cannot even fathom it.

Have a nice (whats' left of your) life, moron.

... more popcorn. it never ends in gaw-moron land apparently.

Edit - can anyone with a non-banned hashtalk account repost this for me to GAW_CEO? I got banned the first week for asking obvious questions... thank you.

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Masive update https://hashtalk.org/topic/5680/the-hashlet-exchange-and-hashboost-is-here

Look mem/flexh/et all troll - 1:1 hardware replacement (if you even had any hardware) - you could have had both.

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Quote from: Viper1 on September 12, 2014, 07:37:27 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

This thread is getting worse every day. Half of it is spam troll wars and lies, the other half suspicions and detective stories.

They are selling contracts, similar to stocks or bonds that are supposed to ROI. I don't ask my bank what happens with the money I send them but focus on the profits.
It's funny how you say it's unethical and admit you are receiving payouts. Money over ethics?

Hashlets were sold to people as "proprietary Hashlet hardware". They've now tried to erase all of that because, quite frankly, it was blatent fraud.

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The general criminal offence of fraud can include:
1. deception whereby someone knowingly makes false representation
2. or they fail to disclose information

People can try and justify it because they're currently making money, but at the end of the day you have to really ask yourself if they can be truly trusted. There was no need for the deception, people still would have bought it.

I would agree 100% with this. I mean, let's face it all - so much drama, changes, renegs, etc etc.. it's all pretty strange IMO.

Personally, i have a hashlet - can i even sell it? I thought they banned sales or something?

thanks - more popcorn!

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I am never seeing so many puppets made of socks all being in one place.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

This thread is getting worse every day. Half of it is spam troll wars and lies, the other half suspicions and detective stories.

They are selling contracts, similar to stocks or bonds that are supposed to ROI. I don't ask my bank what happens with the money I send them but focus on the profits.
It's funny how you say it's unethical and admit you are receiving payouts. Money over ethics?

Hashlets were sold to people as "proprietary Hashlet hardware". They've now tried to erase all of that because, quite frankly, it was blatent fraud.

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The general criminal offence of fraud can include:
1. deception whereby someone knowingly makes false representation
2. or they fail to disclose information

People can try and justify it because they're currently making money, but at the end of the day you have to really ask yourself if they can be truly trusted. There was no need for the deception, people still would have bought it.

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Quote from: iawa on September 12, 2014, 07:13:42 PM

Don't know if this was already asked and answered.
Suchmoon is that u on the champions list or is somebody busting balls?

Some1 is busting balls.

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Don't know if this was already asked and answered.
Suchmoon is that u on the champions list or is somebody busting balls?

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This thread is getting worse every day. Half of it is spam troll wars and lies, the other half suspicions and detective stories.

They are selling contracts, similar to stocks or bonds that are supposed to ROI. I don't ask my bank what happens with the money I send them but focus on the profits.
It's funny how you say it's unethical and admit you are receiving payouts. Money over ethics?

Let me make it simpler:

GAW claims, or advertises one thing, but sells another. That is all I have a beef with. That is unethical.

If you know that, then I have no problem with a (semi) informed buyer, just with deception.

I sold my hashlets as soon as I could once the GAW's marketing started to be proven as impossible within this thread.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

This thread is getting worse every day. Half of it is spam troll wars and lies, the other half suspicions and detective stories.

They are selling contracts, similar to stocks or bonds that are supposed to ROI. I don't ask my bank what happens with the money I send them but focus on the profits.
It's funny how you say it's unethical and admit you are receiving payouts. Money over ethics?

To be fair the thread IS about suspicions and questions and stuff like that, at least I make no secret about the questions I have in the OP. Trollfest - I have no control over that unfortunately.

You're saying it's a contract but it's just as much of a speculation as most other things in this thread, since this is in no way confirmed or denied by GAW. If you think that is good enough for you, that's fine. I'm not saying you should sell your hashlets or that you should pull your money from your bank - which is a somewhat ironic analogy considering what Bitcoin stands for. But I hope you can also accept the fact that others have a different point of view or a different need for transparency.

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Soooo...Josh is a bullshitter. No one learned anything new here, right? Doesn't mean it is a Ponzi, but sure would be nice not be force-fed bullshit every time he posts something.

I am still a bit surprised that people are so willing to take it in stride that GAW doesn't actually mine with hashlets, or link them to hardware in any set ratio. They were sold as such, right? They are still being sold as such. That is intentionally misleading and unethical.

I too was receiving consistent payouts from my hashlets, but someone with a high school education who lies all the time is not who I want to trust with my money. If anyone who knows the situation wants to buy GAW products then go ahead. I don't see anything wrong with that, but GAW should stop intentionally misleading newbies that have no idea what they are purchasing.

edit: granted, the jab at his education is a bit of an ad hominem but I think it still does have some bearing here. We know who is not a highly trained businessman.

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Quote from: nicehash on September 12, 2014, 04:46:58 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on September 12, 2014, 01:53:03 PM

Quote from: pbj sammich on September 12, 2014, 01:46:36 PM

So now your using your conclusion that you drew as basis for your argument? That's convenient.

The only mention was that he was in talks to purchase another company, never said NH, people just assumed.

You might want to re-read those links. It was said quite explicitly on multiple occasions that NH has been contacted and a solution is in the works. NH claims nobody contacted them and no solution is forthcoming because there is nothing to solve. That's a fairly substantial contradiction, don't you think?

Eh, guys, too much drama on this topic Cool

... We are in contact with GAW since their (our) early days, their CTO Mordica even included our patches in their cgminer fork (https://github.com/jmordica/cgminer-gc3355) for their early-days hosted miners to work flawlessly on NiceHash. That said we have a good relationship, but all this mess with NiceHashlet and Hashlets using our pool ... they just messed things out ... Anyway - to put things simple - once again: there is nothing to sort out, Hashlet are working as designed (not-mining, business model build on profit sharing) and NiceHash is working as designed (free open market, anybody can use at at will). NiceHash had too big payout to sustain Hashlet business model, that's why they removed our service. Their PR was not correct on this matter, that's what we already told them and we hope they respect this and will not pump this issue even further. We are sure they will adapt their business model (this is the only thing that needs to be sorted out on their side, nothing to sort out at our side) and to include NiceHash, one of the most attractive free market mining solution available, back to Hashlet business. Let's that be all, over and out.

Ok, I'm stepping away from the dead horse then. Thanks for clarifying your side of the story.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 12, 2014, 01:53:03 PM

Quote from: pbj sammich on September 12, 2014, 01:46:36 PM

So now your using your conclusion that you drew as basis for your argument? That's convenient.

The only mention was that he was in talks to purchase another company, never said NH, people just assumed.

You might want to re-read those links. It was said quite explicitly on multiple occasions that NH has been contacted and a solution is in the works. NH claims nobody contacted them and no solution is forthcoming because there is nothing to solve. That's a fairly substantial contradiction, don't you think?

Eh, guys, too much drama on this topic Cool

... We are in contact with GAW since their (our) early days, their CTO Mordica even included our patches in their cgminer fork (https://github.com/jmordica/cgminer-gc3355) for their early-days hosted miners to work flawlessly on NiceHash. That said we have a good relationship, but all this mess with NiceHashlet and Hashlets using our pool ... they just messed things out ... Anyway - to put things simple - once again: there is nothing to sort out, Hashlet are working as designed (not-mining, business model build on profit sharing) and NiceHash is working as designed (free open market, anybody can use at at will). NiceHash had too big payout to sustain Hashlet business model, that's why they removed our service. Their PR was not correct on this matter, that's what we already told them and we hope they respect this and will not pump this issue even further. We are sure they will adapt their business model (this is the only thing that needs to be sorted out on their side, nothing to sort out at our side) and to include NiceHash, one of the most attractive free market mining solution available, back to Hashlet business. Let's that be all, over and out.

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Quote from: Honeycutt22 on September 12, 2014, 03:10:05 PM

Quote from: bitgeek on September 12, 2014, 02:37:59 PM

Quote from: pbj sammich on September 12, 2014, 01:46:36 PM

So now your using your conclusion that you drew as basis for your argument? That's convenient.

The only mention was that he was in talks to purchase another company, never said NH, people just assumed.

He does that, it's his main purpose to spread doubt and confusion. Besides, that's his second thread about GAW and hard to say how many he started with sockpuppet accounts.

Bitgeek, you're confusing me with MemCID/Flex/CEO I think... I, in fact support GAW, but I do ask tough and valid questions on bitcointalk when I find something confusing or misleading.

This was aimed at the OP of this thread who posted a bunch of random links in response to that nicehash question (if it was real nicehash).

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