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Topic: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 50. (Read 262953 times)

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Some strange happenings in the scrypt ASIC world, and I am wondering how they are related to GAW.

Just got my notice from Zeus that my pre-orders for the Volcano and Gen III blades was canceled.  

At the same time, I have been unable to get bitmaintech to open an order for the L1 despite offering them a quantity of 100-1000 units (would be up to a $500,000 order).  Their response to my inquiry?  Sorry "pick another product".

Meanwhile, the first and still most efficient scrypt asic (the Innosilicon A2) is virtually unavailable except for cheaply built and probably used units that Zoomhash is liquidating (and the one I bought from them was defective).  

And then I remembered Josh (GAW CEO) got into a spate with LightningASIC on this forum.. Josh actually PM'd me here and warned me that he had actual knowledge that Innosilicon was not going to make its A2 chip available to LightningASIC, and that LightningASIC would end up empty handed on its promised line of .28 nm scrypt asics (LA did pull through and deliver ONE unit to me but it was a demo unit and clearly used ..and then LA turned to ATM machines and no longer sell scrypt ASICs so maybe Josh was right in warning me, but how did he know?).

Strange happenings.  Now putting it together with GAW and Zencloud hashlets and I am thinking perhaps paranoid delusions, but WHAT IF ...



What if .. GAW decided to corner the market on scrypt ASICs?  GAW would need an awesome pre-order to persuade Bitmaintech, Innosilicon AND Zeus to pull back on their plans to sell the next-gen scrypt ASICs.  An order like that would have to be in the millions of dollars for EACH company.

What if ... GAW decided to sell a virtual miner called hashlets, which were really nothing more than a MASSIVE disguided pre-order?

What if ... by selling hashlets for between $16-49, GAW raised enough money to pre-order ALL of the available future scrypt mining from bitmaintech, innosilicon and zeus?

What if ... GAW used its massive amount of purchasing power from selling hashlets to get exclusive contracts from these three major manufacturers, guaranting that GAW would be the only major player in scrypt mining?

What if ... GAW convinced Zeus to terminate PUBLIC sales of the Gen III blades, while privately taking up all of these sales using revenue from the hashlet sales to buy up the inventory and ensure that there is no gen iii scrypt miner available anywhere except through GAW?

While this is obviously speculation, it seems to explain the recent events and the strange fact that all three companies (Innosilicon, Zeus and Bitmaintech) suddenly no longer sell scrypt miners.  To me, if it turns out to be true, it would be one of the most daring scams in recent history.  Selling "hashlets" which are effectively disguised pre-orders on a massive scale so as to ensure a near monopoly in scrypt asic mining... genuis and evil all in one.

Will be interesting to see what happens next.  If LTCGear suddenly shuts down .. or Bitmaintech starts refunding L1 orders...??!  

Also, if this speculation turns out to be true, then the recent downturn in Primes might actually be a real buying opportunity.  Wouldn't it be funny if, now that GAW has secured money from hashlet sales to make pre-orders for ALL of the available next gen scrypt mining chips, it starts bungling payouts, killing revenue, etc. to drive down the price of hashlets .. so resellers can purchase up the primes, only to resell again when the pre-orders are delivered and revenue goes up (likely not until December though)??!  That would be triple-genuis-evil.



Could it be?  


hero member
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this stinks of a BFL all over again.
this time instead of just not sending out units and then mining with them for XX months. they will now give back your money because they say its 100% safe.
Ok so lets see how many people start asking for refunds. the funny thing is they will give u 2 weeks free mining time if you convert so your telling me in 1 week when u go to sell that convert the price per MH or what not will not be way lower then what your pre order + 2 weeks free mining time is worth ?
screw this im going home..............
im done with this place im going to start to sell all my miners and do something else with my time.
baby sitting a miner and a company is not worth my time
I really hope people do not get burned by this company. I hope the fog clears and everything is good but till then run run run

just keep in mind guys PRIMES always make the most profit.....
ZenCloud always makes the most profit.....


Oh wooops , i'm sorry guys but during this time frame it seems that we cant be the most profitable. But dont u worry about it. we have HASHPOINTS yippie HASHPOINTS.
just think instead of mining BTC and making MONEY. You can now mine a so called no one cares coin that we will make up a price of $0.01 USD thats right 1 PENNY so no matter what happends with BTC price you will always know that 1HP = $0.01USD until we make this HASHPOINTS in to HASHCOINS and then oh my god people you will be soooooo mad you did not jump on the HASHPOINT/HASHCOIN train. I guess you just missed the stop because i dont see you onboard.

^^^^ I love that idea anyone else think thats a great idea for a company lets make a COIN
did BFL not make a coin. why oh why do we have to deal with these companys


I honestly believe GAW pulled a KNC with the VaultBreakers, except they madebit very tempting for everyone to upgrade by inflating the price of the hashlets... then they saw everyone was happy and kept escalating
VaultBreakers have not given signs of life
hero member
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Somewhat offtopic but contains some irony:

https://zeusminer.com/2014/10/31/progress-update-29102014/

tl;dr: Zeus will not make hardware anymore. Preorders cancelled and refunded or converted to "cloud".

hero member
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Is there anybody here who knows if what josh is doing even legal?
He keeps comparing taking btc out of accounts with banks, but gaw is no bank. Are there different rules for money and product( i am not sure what to call it)?


He's running it like a bank in he wants you to keep your BTC in your account so when he needs quick he can take it and come up with a BS reason to take.
So withdraw daily, I had no problem with that. I never keep money on exchanges and treat Zen cloud the same.

Except they can make your account negative and then what?

Funny thing is that as far as I've seen they haven't been forcibly converting HPs to cover the negative balances. Surely that would be the most logical thing to do?

So they're not selling new hashlets and therefor hashpoints can't be used for buying stuff, unless you use creditcards, then they happily sell you new hashlets...  Huh

Yes, that about sums it up. Tinfoil version is that they need fresh cash. Thus Market (BTC) and CCs (USD), but not hashpoints.

Acording to them it's a bug they are correcting daily and people affected by negative balance just have to write a ticket.
I personally never had a fee higher than the payout. There were some really bad days on which I got just a few satoshis but that's all.

hero member
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Seems CEO is under a bit of stress- Self imposed- This is going to be one of your last chances to sell at a good price. Every week its something new with locking accounts and taking BTC back. How the hell are they going to be a middle man between users and large retailers? This is a JOKE

Little survey how many people were banned from  hashtalk for speaking up?

I've been banned at least twice.

Yeah, people have their heads in their ass if they believe this Amazon/Wal-Mart thing. Get real. GAW must sit around laughing at the gullibility of these sheep; I know I do.

I was shadow banned and was told the only way to get that lifted is by Josh or site admin..  Is that true?
if you want to get unbanned, talk to animoesto or cyberlizard, they ar reasonable mods
don't even attempt with GAW_CEO, his head is still inside his butthole

Yep.. Chatted with cyberlizard and I was told only Josh or Hashtalk admin could un shadow ban me.. I am not that interested to get back on and get banned again. I swear some of these posters :Bitcoin Bar" for example are being paid by GAW.. with an "ALL IN" statement and constantly posting about how this is the biggest thing since bitcoin idea was formed. Crazy statements.. What is everyone thinking? This is ly on word of mouth .. WOW..lets all drink some laced koolaide and go to sleep!!
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legendary
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So it looks to be a "caching issue". They shut down the Market, finally something I can agree with. I hope withdrawals are disabled too.

They are and I can't get my legit sale proceeds out. I hate leaving coin there.

I have some coinage there too and that sucks but with everything disabled they at least have a chance to reconcile their shit without another "hacking" scandal and clawbacks and CC charges.

I'm starting to sound like HT, ew.

hero member
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So it looks to be a "caching issue". They shut down the Market, finally something I can agree with. I hope withdrawals are disabled too.

They are and I can't get my legit sale proceeds out. I hate leaving coin there.
legendary
Activity: 3654
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https://bpip.org
So it looks to be a "caching issue". They shut down the Market, finally something I can agree with. I hope withdrawals are disabled too.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
OMFG shut the fucking zencloud down NOW, can't you morons see there is all sorts of shit going on with user balances. Shut it down, stop all action, audit the fucking database, fire developers, start over.

They won't do anything major with Zencloud.. It's kinda damaged goods in their mind... Once hashbase rolls out it'll replace it... So I assume they don't want to "waste" resources on actually fairly paying people.

What exactly is hashbase and when is the release date?

It's probably going to be linked to btc.com, about time the site started working for them.

"Q4" is the date, which could be any time between now and Dec 31. My guess is December in public alpha test.
sr. member
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Infleum
OMFG shut the fucking zencloud down NOW, can't you morons see there is all sorts of shit going on with user balances. Shut it down, stop all action, audit the fucking database, fire developers, start over.

They won't do anything major with Zencloud.. It's kinda damaged goods in their mind... Once hashbase rolls out it'll replace it... So I assume they don't want to "waste" resources on actually fairly paying people.

What exactly is hashbase and when is the release date?

It's probably going to be linked to btc.com, about time the site started working for them.
legendary
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OMFG shut the fucking zencloud down NOW, can't you morons see there is all sorts of shit going on with user balances. Shut it down, stop all action, audit the fucking database, fire developers, start over.

They won't do anything major with Zencloud.. It's kinda damaged goods in their mind... Once hashbase rolls out it'll replace it... So I assume they don't want to "waste" resources on actually fairly paying people.

What exactly is hashbase and when is the release date?
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
OMFG shut the fucking zencloud down NOW, can't you morons see there is all sorts of shit going on with user balances. Shut it down, stop all action, audit the fucking database, fire developers, start over.

They won't do anything major with Zencloud.. It's kinda damaged goods in their mind... Once hashbase rolls out it'll replace it... So I assume they don't want to "waste" resources on actually fairly paying people.

Sounds about right
sr. member
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OMFG shut the fucking zencloud down NOW, can't you morons see there is all sorts of shit going on with user balances. Shut it down, stop all action, audit the fucking database, fire developers, start over.

They won't do anything major with Zencloud.. It's kinda damaged goods in their mind... Once hashbase rolls out it'll replace it... So I assume they don't want to "waste" resources on actually fairly paying people.
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Hi again

Things are getting worse now !!

I sold hashlets and ended up with a negative account of -0.55 BTC .

everybody should check their account   !!!



There seems to be another shitstorm brewing. Some users are reporting their balances going up after buying hashlets. Perhaps they flipped the sign - sell and lose money, buy and gain money. What a clusterfuck.

What the F.... !!!

My balance went back to  normal .

I'm withdrawing my BTC and opened a ticket

It's getting scaryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy !

legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
OMFG shut the fucking zencloud down NOW, can't you morons see there is all sorts of shit going on with user balances. Shut it down, stop all action, audit the fucking database, fire developers, start over.
sr. member
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Infleum
AS i said for who invested and not ROI yet all need to wait the worse can happen is primes drops worth or all being scammed at once... as looks we will be invited to stay and wait to ROI if all achieve those i can say as several user will be able to say thanks gaw getting a new coin with a standard price of 20 dollars costing 4 dollars with some exchange way will be good to recover the drops on the others scrypts or investments made , i have 4 miners but only appear the status from mine zen as prime what about my multi and genesis where they are wtf i dont get that till today

legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
Hi again

Things are getting worse now !!

I sold hashlets and ended up with a negative account of -0.55 BTC .

everybody should check their account   !!!



There seems to be another shitstorm brewing. Some users are reporting their balances going up after buying hashlets. Perhaps they flipped the sign - sell and lose money, buy and gain money. What a clusterfuck.
hero member
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AS i said for who invested and not ROI yet all need to wait the worse can happen is primes drops worth or all being scammed at once... as looks we will be invited to stay and wait to ROI if all achieve those i can say as several user will be able to say thanks gaw getting a new coin with a standard price of 20 dollars costing 4 dollars with some exchange way will be good to recover the drops on the others scrypts or investments made , i have 4 miners but only appear the status from mine zen as prime what about my multi and genesis where they are wtf i dont get that till today
full member
Activity: 236
Merit: 100
Hi again

Things are getting worse now !!

I sold hashlets and ended up with a negative account of -0.55 BTC .

everybody should check their account   !!!

hero member
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Merit: 502
All nonsense, all junk, all marketing gobbledygook, quite cunning but the actor Josh Garza revealed it from the outset, create a market base, a following of blind loyal believers and feed them shit wrapped in perfume.

Effectively all you will be doing is giving them your hard earned money, make it appear you are generating  a return, slip up lose time x amount til it whittles away over time, create some garbage non currency coin and pretend you can buy consumer goods from Amazon and Target where ever. What they are infact doing is being a 'concierge' service where your make believe fantasy points "buy" "stuff" in real life. You pay them 1.25 for they will spend 1.00 to proxy the purchase and make their margin. A virtual round about credit card wrapped in a package of crypto currency intrigue.

All smoke and mirrors like how the Vegas casinos will fete you with free rooms free drinks free flights, the nett results at the end of the day.  YOU LOSE ! Just like a credit card.

Granted his scheme is advanced but to the initiated it is as plain as day what he is attempting to do.  Take the blind and willing fervor pitched brand new industry of crypto currency followers he cunningly cultivated earlier on ' we are doing it for you' ' we are here for you' we fill fight the big asic makers to make it workable for you' all this earlier horse shit to brainwash the masses that "Josh Garza" is doing for you. Now roped in manipulate, create all sorts of preposterous fantastical fictional schemes from hashlets to mashlets to joshbits, that the followers will all believe, because, one "Josh Garza" said, he is doing it for you.

LOL.

BE AWARE !
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