Topic: GAW ZenCloud ZenPool Hashlet - does it really exist? ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :-) - page 89. (Read 262908 times)

The picture was just labeled "Lots and lots of miners!", it didn't say anything about them being already powered on.   I amazed at how much effort goes into picking things apart.   

They must have a very sweet deal with Bitmain. S3s purchased in July/August could ROI (just barely), S3s purchased in October - only if they got them at 50% off and have really cheap power.

Emotions run high at HT at the best of times, but this mess is 100% on GAW IMHO. They messed up the codes, mishandled the communication (exploit?), punished - even if temporarily - the unsuspecting marketplace buyers, got into legal threats for no good reason, even admitted to charging credit cards without proper authorization. There were so many opportunities to control the narrative of this story and for some inexplicable reason they failed to do that. Like for example this rumor on HT that a reseller told a buyer to keep the "gift". If that really happened GAW could throw the reseller under the bus, no one would shed a tear about it. If it didn't happen, bring forward the real story. Why not?

And then there is this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gaw-miners-scryptsha256-miners-and-hashlet-cloud-independent-feedback-thread-537912


Think about that for a moment. The customer was ACCURATELY charged for what he/she purchased. Was given a product that was more valuable. Decided to cash out. GAW charged the credit card on file. I mean the customer might be wrong to do that without contacting GAW first (depending on whether the "gift" rumor was real or not), but two wrongs can't make it right.

Let's say I purchase a cheap Cromebook on Amazon and some overworked minimum wage warehouse employee ships me a MacBook. Would Amazon (a) charge my credit card for the MacBook and fire the employee, (b) send me a threatening e-mail asking to pay up in 8 hours and fire the employee, or (c) ask me politely to return the MacBook, possibly throw in a generous gift card, and fire the employee.

I can understand the distress, with 200+ hashlets at 20+ "free" MH/s each, the potential loss to GAW was in six figures. But how does swinging the ban hammer around forums help with that?

Subtitle on the picture: Just waiting for the truckload of power supplies. The driver won't unload until we pay up... 

I don't know about everyone, but deeneendo posts tend to be a little toxic.   I think in general GAW allowed people to back out of the buyback, but they messed up the codes and some people got back a lot more primes than they had paid for.   Some of these people took advantage of that and sold these ill gotten primes cheaply on the market and withdrew the BTC from ZenMiner.   This whole thing has created a real mess and I'm sure pushed some people over that edge.  

I don't think these will be lasting bans, but everyone probably needs to cool down a little.

Strange though that there are power outlets in view with nothing plugged in, and if you zoom in the fans don't seem to be turning. So, maybe not too many BTC per day like that.

Edit: Lot's of network cables though (or is that power?) so they are on the way to being set up. That or a lot of effort just to fake a shot and keep the merchandise dust free...

Edit2: No, the power inputs are on the side with nothing plugged in yet. Impressive but quiet so far.

There are some new pictures:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/12157/lots-and-lots-of-miners

https://i.imgur.com/bgGSEVf.jpg

Looks like 300-400 TH/s of SHA256 in two rows of shelves, not quite clear if that's all of them or just a weird angle.

This makes about 5 BTC per day gross, about 3 BTC net at 0.1 USD per kWh if my math is correct.

BTC withdrawal is working again

and if you buy primes trought this link they are still available

Guys,

Is this thread / forum still about MINING - even virtual - ...or is degenerating to the point of wild talk about endless GAW bullshit...forum ...banning ...and other non-sense 

Cheers,

ZiG

I can't say much about that first part, I've been following this whole thing since last week. To me this ban (deeneendo) looks like a misunderstanding, unless he posted something more ofensive that was later deleted.
Forum support section can't be the only means of contacting them besides the tickets, they have a phone and I saw them respond to bitcointalk posts.
This whole thing could be easily fixed if they wanted to. They could set up an online helpdesk in a form of a chatroom or a teamspeak channel, where people could get immediate attention and/or create a trollbox or a jail, a section of the forum without any rules, or maybe a two level ban. First offense would ban the user from posting in most sections of the forum, but still allow to post in the support.

What I meant by "not the only restaurant in town" was that hashtalk is a part of their company. If someone doesn't like how it's run and can't come to terms with its rules (or their lack) he shouldn't struggle and move on.
I've been banned from a number of forums in my life, KNC being one of them, and It never bothered me.

Amber of GAW... tell me why I was banned. I'm really curious.

Are you suggesting that bumping posts is a bannable offense now? Come on... was there anybody banned for any of those inane "First" and "I love GAW" posts in every thread? Rules are fine, if they are reasonable, enforceable, and applied consistently, which doesn't appear to be the case on HT.

Trouble with this "ban as much as they want" attitude is that the forum is the only place where new features and other important business decisions are announced. There are no e-mails, nothing on the GAW site, occasionally you may get a popup on ZenCloud but I don't think there is a "News" page or something like that there. Ok, you can probably still read the announcements on HT even if you're banned. But you can't post in the support section if they neglect your ticket for 3 weeks. Kind of rude to cut customers off support for committing some made-up forum offense, wouldn't you agree?

Some of these banned people are trolls, and looks like the mods overreacted and banned some decent users, who made a mistake of bumping posts made by those trolls.
Troll account: https://hashtalk.org/user/nupapa
Normal user, who supported troll's thread: https://hashtalk.org/user/deeneendo

Anyway, since it's not a typical public forum they can ban as much as they want. It's the same as being refused service in a restaurant. You don't go home and cry in a pillow.
They're not the only restaurant in town

Ban hammer is working overtime today:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/banned-from-hashtalkorg-where-is-my-button-825873
https://hashtalk.org/user/deeneendo

There is a bunch of others, some threads have a lot of red in them.

In other news, here is a bit of an insight into the scale of the "oversize" issue:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/12067/outstanding-zencloud-issues-updates


Doesn't say how many were there to begin with though.

So how many hashlets did you sell?

http://pastebin.com/4nxFdPg4

Dear Eric,
 
I'm responding here anonymously, because it seems you are giving nothing on privacy statements and privacy data protection.
 
In other countries then US, you would propably yourself made a lawsuit only for this.
 
I noticed that many people, who you call "hackers", are experiencing lot of illegal charges from various companys, all related to GAW Miners, and even from GAW Miners directly on their CreditCards. The charges sum is not at all plausible, so I don't know why you are trying to do this or what is going in your mind by doing so. In the EU, you are going to get a law suit only for trying to illegally charge creditcards without that the holder granted you this transaction. We will see if I get some of these people to start this law suit against you, remember, in EU on illegal charges, you get 5 years of prison and it seems you are doing it at a systematic manner, that would be worse. So instead of accusing us, stealing your bitcoins, what defenitly nobody did, you should check your own illegal activities.
 
Just to summarize whats going to happen: You are accusing a lot of people being hackers and exploiters and wanting the BTC back from them.
 
You did say, there will be no more primes to be sold. After Buyback-Buyback was closed, you gave all the resellers, additional codes to sell more primes for another time period. That again, is lying to your customers, creating another demand to invest more money (insider-trading). All people bought the codes from your resellers and redeemed them on your platform, they were paid legal and acquired legal. No exploit was used to get to this point.
 
The only thing was selling this bought primes on a user market for a user defined price. You did not even see how many MHs a prime has after redeeming, so how could anybody know that were 25 or 1 or 5.
 
So lets get this straight. You just created this whole thing. You failed with your announcement on no more primes being sold. You failed on delivering codes to your resellers. You failed on redeeming this codes. You failed on stopping your platform in an appropriate time frame, after realising it failed. You failed on how to handle this mess and now generated your own failure into a even bigger failure. And now you are going filing law suits against this users? Because you failed this whole shit and need somebody to blame of?
 
Think of this: You could have stopped the market. Stopped your resellers selling failed codes. Then bring back the market. What harm would have been done? Every user would have bought Primes and were given the primes they bought. You would have made cash from your resellers, you would have made cash on the market 10% for each sell. Your customers would have been happy. You would have had no problem.
 
Now you reverted it all, generated another whole big mess and a another PR desaster. You should really think of how you handle situations.
 
Could you too think of, what is going on if somebody sold their accounts on privat? They probably have nothing to do with it. And you are giving them legal actions warnings...
 
You really have done a big whole failure here and it will bounce back to you more than you will think of now.
 
And said all of this, nobody stole BTC from you. You stole them, by reverting your system.
 
You can answer this email. I will check it and answer you back what your decision is. If you are filing law suits against any of your customers, we are doing it straight way back to you and this will be worse for you then for us.
 
------ YOUR EMAIL ------
 
We have detected activity on your account which violates the terms of service as agreed to by you on our ZenCloud platform. We have retrieved audit logs of your activities directly through our ZenCloud Platform, GAW Miners Ecommerce Site, Value Added Re-sellers and our direct sales channels.
 
The information we have obtained has been forwarded to our attorneys and local law enforcement with jurisdiction over you. We are preparing to take legal and criminal action against you. You will be liable for the BTC your transferred out, as well as legal fees.
 
If you make contact with us and agree to work towards reconciling this within 8 hours from the date of this letter, and we can agree on a plan of restitution, legal action will not be taken.
 
If I do not hear from you, we will be forced to take legal action and to prosecute you to the fullest extend of the law including but not limited to civil and criminal proceedings.
 
Should you prefer to just return the funds in the exact amount that you withdrew, feel free to do so with the address below. I will monitor this address for a deposit that matches the exact amount pulled from our system.
 
38RAhW2kUYXXWvbccK98n1zGnkTw3sEJxP
 
Looking forward to hearing from you within 8 hours.
 
 
--
Eric Capuano
CISO, GAW
22 Millbranch Rd. Bldg 800
Hattiesburg, MS 39402
 
Office: (860) 237-3298 ext. 219
Anywhere: (860) 800-6123
PGP Public Key
 
 
“The information contained in this email message may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient any use, distribution, disclosure or copying of this information is prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please tell us by return email and destroy this communication and any attachments from your system.”

I was able to pull a tiny .01 BTC out today, after payouts, without issue.

#payoutwatch

A lot of governments, local, state federal, etc have laws against this kind of roll back.

Massachusetts Law ->> Section 43. Any person who receives unsolicited goods, wares or merchandise, offered for sale, but not actually ordered or requested by him orally or in writing, shall be entitled to consider such goods, wares or merchandise an unconditional gift, and he may use or dispose of the same as he sees fit without obligation on his part.

General Laws, PART I, TITLE XV, CHAPTER 93, Section 43

So if GAW rolled back a purchase you made regardless of what the amount was and what you paid for it was a gift and GAW was breaking the law in doing the rollback on you.  If they initiated charges on your card for these accidental purchases because you haven't contacted them on the few hours they gave you they are in break of US Consumer Protection Law.

Alright, that's positive to hear...thank you. I'll keep at it.

Yes I was able...  try and try again...   a lot of times...  finally I was able after about 10 attempts today